speed, 3sec ave power, heart rate, cadence on my main screen (wahoo has a separate screen for climbing) .. time elapsed, power zone, heart rate zone, cadence on my training screen .. torque effectiveness and pedal smoothness are best shown and analyzed after the ride on the app, but may not be necessary during the actual ride
Great Video, especially coming from a cycling coach. These data are spot on if you have a power metre and want to structure your training, get fitter more efficiently. I've always trained using average and heart before, trying to balance these fields can lead to frustrations. Changed my training, training with power fields now and all my numbers improved, like ave speed, hitting my power zones etc. It just more effective. Before knowing about power, all my rides were active recovery focused, I don't even reach endurance and tempo, those are zone 2 and 3 which is essential to build base fitness.
Thank you, very informative video. Can't get enough of these. I have a Garmin 1030 plus with Favero Assiamo Due pedals. There is a wealth of data being collected! ;) and I know I need to get more out of it...
Just watched this. Good video. I don't have a power meter. The most important thing that I use is my heart rate - I cycle for fitness/commuting. Looking at heart rate allows me to avoid getting carried away on longer rides and blowing up. I keep an eye on cadence and try to cycle at 70+ rpm. Other than that I don't really use any fields - Time of day is important though since if you know you have to be somewhere in 30 mins you know you have to hurry up!
I can't afford a bike computer, they cost more or just about the cost of my bike. I have Triban RC120 bike which I bought for Rs. 35,000 (approximately €350). Which is a month's salary here in India! I use free Strava and just try to keep getting better with average speed. Also, due to lockdown here, couldn't ride much recently.
Kind of depends on how I'm feeling. I use a Hammerhead Karoo 2 so ClimbPro isn't something have. I ride for just general fitness I don't really do any kind of cycling training. On the rare occasions I do use it as a proper workout, those date fields are what I use. However, most of the time it's speed, distance, max speed (feels cool to see), cadence and average power. Then usually on the second screen there's a map
Simon here. Thanks for sharing - I also have multiple screens setup on my Garmin, plus a number of different profiles for things like racing, general road riding and indoor training. I probably spend too much time worrying about the data, but partly that's my job! 👏💪🧠
I don't race so I don't care about power. What I want to see is speed, heart rate, cadence, distance and distance to next turn if I'm following a new route. I can look at averages after the ride.
Wouldn’t it make sense for you to be interested in speed, not power, if you raced? At the end of the day, races aren’t won by watts, they’re won by who can use the power they have the most effectively. Power meters have utility far beyond structured training to improve - pacing long efforts, monitoring aerobic decoupling to measure endurance, staying within Z2 during long rides to ensure you don’t blow up… they are an amazing tool.
@@Friek555 you can still focus on zone 1, 2, 3. Which is still beneficial to improve endurance, efficiency. I reckon the video was aimed at people with power metres, as stated in the video without a power metre you wont get those data fields anyway. With a bit of resourcefulness a power metre can act like a cycling coach. You can also use HRM’s to train, exercise, workout, don’t need to get a power metre. I’m pretty positive we are on our bikes to improve something, fitness and mental health wise.
I use a screen with heart rate zone and power zone. When on long rides or races, i can monitor my effort without trying to figure out the math on how much power im using or its effect on my fatigue.
I don’t bother with all the torque effectiveness and l r balance but thanks for explaining. I like to have my zones displayed with Heart rate zones and power zones. I don’t need to see the numbers. I know how my body responds to the zones. All those numbers can hamper my riding.
The most biomechinally efficcient cadence is 60 to 70 rpm, not 90 as Matt claimed. The thing most cyclists cannot "grind" at 60/70 because their legs are not strong enough.
Just ordered a Garmin GPS, but I do not have a power meter. Cadence, heart rate and Climb Pro I can do, but what else could be useful? I could default back to speed and distance, but that's a bit boring isn't it?
Great video, thanks! The "Physical working capacity" (power/heart rate ratio) is also valuable to monitor your strain/training stimulus during a training session to control your trainingload. Is there a parameter, which shows you directly this ratio, or is there any possibility to create your own parameter for your garmin device?
#5 torque effectiveness & pedaling smoothness = beholder to the sponsor and full of it. Higher cadence is for economy not efficiency. For efficiency, it's around 70 rpm and studies date back to the turn of last century. Good -segway- seque for the sponsor though.
I just don’t understand why it is more expensive than a smart phone, while it has cheaper screen, lower spec hardware and less functions. Is it all because cyclists are rich?
Less demand. It's a very specialized item which less than 1% of the population will think of buying. So they need to make a bigger profit off of each one they sell.
Hi Jorst, Simon here, thanks for watching! You're not wrong that we did focus a lot on data like heart rate and power. We decided most people probably wouldn't need the likes of time, speed and distance explained to them, and so went for topics that were a bit more advanced. What data screens do you use and why? 🙌🕵️♂️🎯🚴♂️
3s Power Cadence Heart-rate Time Distance Hide speed / average speed, it will distract you and ruin your training. If on a descent you are like "WOOOHHOOOO 100 km/h, you should be paying attention to the road, not the headunit anyway.
Simon here. Thanks for sharing your personal setup Paulo! I still like to have speed on my Garmin, personally, but I won't deny that in a situation like you describe, we really shouldn't be looking at our computers haha 😅🥴☠️
Well just tell Garmin that until they have pedals without spring force on the float like speed play I'm not buying their pedals. You know, not all of us have a perfect body and none of us should have to fight the force of spring to have float. It's just an outdated design and should not be on the market anymore. Don't care if the design is like the Shimano one and their are lots of them the market. Ho, I do have more than Garmin product!
using a Garmin device is like using a Nokia after 2007 , it's hopelessly behind the times, atrocious usability and interface design, ridiculous notifications which can't be turned off, inaccurate GPS, repeated Windows95 style ok/cancel prompts when you least expect it, good luck trying to load a new route on the go, the list goes on......avoid
I love how many downvotes you got, even though you're on point with each point you made. Garmin interface should be used as an example of what not to do in 2021. Heck even in 2010 it would have felt outdated. But of course they have better things to do. Like releasing pedals that cost four digits to buy.
Did we miss any? Let us know what data screens you use in the comments!
I got fed up of staring at numbers so use the WildPace data field on my garmin to get a more vague understanding of how fast I'm going.
I use 10sec smoothing, heart rate, cadence, lap power, lap time, time elapsed
speed, 3sec ave power, heart rate, cadence on my main screen (wahoo has a separate screen for climbing) .. time elapsed, power zone, heart rate zone, cadence on my training screen ..
torque effectiveness and pedal smoothness are best shown and analyzed after the ride on the app, but may not be necessary during the actual ride
Yeah, you missed difference between data screen and metrics…. You are showing metrics
Power Wind Pro is missing
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1.) 3 Second Power
2.) Heart Rate
3.) Garmin Climb Pro
4.) Cadence
5.) Torque Effectivenss and Pedaling Smoothness
Great Video, especially coming from a cycling coach.
These data are spot on if you have a power metre and want to structure your training, get fitter more efficiently.
I've always trained using average and heart before, trying to balance these fields can lead to frustrations.
Changed my training, training with power fields now and all my numbers improved, like ave speed, hitting my power zones etc.
It just more effective.
Before knowing about power, all my rides were active recovery focused, I don't even reach endurance and tempo, those are zone 2 and 3 which is essential to build base fitness.
Thank you, very informative video. Can't get enough of these. I have a Garmin 1030 plus with Favero Assiamo Due pedals. There is a wealth of data being collected! ;) and I know I need to get more out of it...
Just watched this. Good video. I don't have a power meter. The most important thing that I use is my heart rate - I cycle for fitness/commuting. Looking at heart rate allows me to avoid getting carried away on longer rides and blowing up. I keep an eye on cadence and try to cycle at 70+ rpm. Other than that I don't really use any fields - Time of day is important though since if you know you have to be somewhere in 30 mins you know you have to hurry up!
interesting, especially the last point on Torque Effectiveness and Pedal smoothness
I run only one data field: "Distance to the next pub"
I can't afford a bike computer, they cost more or just about the cost of my bike. I have Triban RC120 bike which I bought for Rs. 35,000 (approximately €350). Which is a month's salary here in India! I use free Strava and just try to keep getting better with average speed. Also, due to lockdown here, couldn't ride much recently.
Kind of depends on how I'm feeling. I use a Hammerhead Karoo 2 so ClimbPro isn't something have. I ride for just general fitness I don't really do any kind of cycling training. On the rare occasions I do use it as a proper workout, those date fields are what I use. However, most of the time it's speed, distance, max speed (feels cool to see), cadence and average power. Then usually on the second screen there's a map
Simon here. Thanks for sharing - I also have multiple screens setup on my Garmin, plus a number of different profiles for things like racing, general road riding and indoor training. I probably spend too much time worrying about the data, but partly that's my job! 👏💪🧠
I don't race so I don't care about power. What I want to see is speed, heart rate, cadence, distance and distance to next turn if I'm following a new route. I can look at averages after the ride.
Training with power will actually get you fitter more effectively. It doesn't necessarily mean you race.
@@Jefferent319 What if my primary goal isn't to increase my power?
Wouldn’t it make sense for you to be interested in speed, not power, if you raced? At the end of the day, races aren’t won by watts, they’re won by who can use the power they have the most effectively.
Power meters have utility far beyond structured training to improve - pacing long efforts, monitoring aerobic decoupling to measure endurance, staying within Z2 during long rides to ensure you don’t blow up… they are an amazing tool.
@@Friek555 you can still focus on zone 1, 2, 3. Which is still beneficial to improve endurance, efficiency. I reckon the video was aimed at people with power metres, as stated in the video without a power metre you wont get those data fields anyway.
With a bit of resourcefulness a power metre can act like a cycling coach.
You can also use HRM’s to train, exercise, workout, don’t need to get a power metre.
I’m pretty positive we are on our bikes to improve something, fitness and mental health wise.
Agree! And power meters are expensive for what they are;
I use a screen with heart rate zone and power zone. When on long rides or races, i can monitor my effort without trying to figure out the math on how much power im using or its effect on my fatigue.
I don’t bother with all the torque effectiveness and l r balance but thanks for explaining. I like to have my zones displayed with Heart rate zones and power zones. I don’t need to see the numbers. I know how my body responds to the zones. All those numbers can hamper my riding.
My Wahoo Roam doesn't even have hours of daylight left, or time of sunrise/sunset. Exploring GPS indeed.
The most biomechinally efficcient cadence is 60 to 70 rpm, not 90 as Matt claimed. The thing most cyclists cannot "grind" at 60/70 because their legs are not strong enough.
At 9:33 into the video, how do I get my Garmin to show that Power Phase field? I can't find it after searching for literally hours!
Np. Distance to next. Ave speed. Ave heart. Heart. Cadence. And cadence. About it , for me. Very personal thing this topic
Thanks for sharing your data screens!
Just ordered a Garmin GPS, but I do not have a power meter. Cadence, heart rate and Climb Pro I can do, but what else could be useful? I could default back to speed and distance, but that's a bit boring isn't it?
Great video, thanks!
The "Physical working capacity" (power/heart rate ratio) is also valuable to monitor your strain/training stimulus during a training session to control your trainingload.
Is there a parameter, which shows you directly this ratio, or is there any possibility to create your own parameter for your garmin device?
so heart rate relative to power and power is relative to cadence + gear ratio + gradient?
when you train you only need 4 ou 5 data: Time, Avg power, NP, HR and TSS
How to remap lap button?
I run: Elevation, Distance, Speed, 3s Power, HR, Cadence, Avg Speed, Avg Power, Time of Day, Battery / on a Garmin 530
Thanks for sharing!
Hey guys. Which Garmin unit are you using here? Cheers!
Hi Chris, we're mainly using the Edge 830 model. Thanks for watching, from all at BikeRadar!
Love ClimbPro!
This video is not about “5 data screens” but about “5 metrics”… misleading!!!
#5 torque effectiveness & pedaling smoothness = beholder to the sponsor and full of it. Higher cadence is for economy not efficiency. For efficiency, it's around 70 rpm and studies date back to the turn of last century. Good -segway- seque for the sponsor though.
Segue*
Best average budget bike computer? £100?
Data metrics not screens or fields. Good info though.
Where is Karoo? :/
Updating
I just don’t understand why it is more expensive than a smart phone, while it has cheaper screen, lower spec hardware and less functions. Is it all because cyclists are rich?
It does have wireless gps location
Less demand. It's a very specialized item which less than 1% of the population will think of buying. So they need to make a bigger profit off of each one they sell.
"5 data screens every power meter and heart rate monitor using road cyclist should use" more like
Hi Jorst, Simon here, thanks for watching! You're not wrong that we did focus a lot on data like heart rate and power. We decided most people probably wouldn't need the likes of time, speed and distance explained to them, and so went for topics that were a bit more advanced.
What data screens do you use and why? 🙌🕵️♂️🎯🚴♂️
lol still don't have a power meter!
Power? No power meter :(
Nice Garmin ad.
Hmmmmm, yeah
most important to me is distance and map only hehe
I watch the Varia radar, so I don't end up a hood ornament
or whatever the Brits call the experience.
"Keep buying more stuff. You are insufficient." ~ Marketing Division
3s Power
Cadence
Heart-rate
Time
Distance
Hide speed / average speed, it will distract you and ruin your training.
If on a descent you are like "WOOOHHOOOO 100 km/h, you should be paying attention to the road, not the headunit anyway.
Simon here. Thanks for sharing your personal setup Paulo! I still like to have speed on my Garmin, personally, but I won't deny that in a situation like you describe, we really shouldn't be looking at our computers haha 😅🥴☠️
Well just tell Garmin that until they have pedals without spring force on the float like speed play I'm not buying their pedals.
You know, not all of us have a perfect body and none of us should have to fight the force of spring to have float.
It's just an outdated design and should not be on the market anymore.
Don't care if the design is like the Shimano one and their are lots of them the market.
Ho, I do have more than Garmin product!
power is too expensive , not like im a pro or anything
Can't we just ride our bikes?
Of course you can, and we'd always encourage you to do so! Thanks for watching! 🤝🚴🏻♀️🤩
using a Garmin device is like using a Nokia after 2007 , it's hopelessly behind the times, atrocious usability and interface design, ridiculous notifications which can't be turned off, inaccurate GPS, repeated Windows95 style ok/cancel prompts when you least expect it, good luck trying to load a new route on the go, the list goes on......avoid
I love how many downvotes you got, even though you're on point with each point you made. Garmin interface should be used as an example of what not to do in 2021. Heck even in 2010 it would have felt outdated. But of course they have better things to do. Like releasing pedals that cost four digits to buy.