The X Wing was created as a starfighter for the Empire in Legends. Most of the Rebellion's ships (like the Nebulon-B) are second-rate ships or rejected by the Empire. The Rebel Alliance in lore uses whatever equipment they can find. I think it's a shame that Disney has barely explored the fact that the Rebels have ships of all types and from all sources in their ranks and continue to use the same ships and designs.
In the sequels they wanted to preserve fan service. So no creativity. As far as other fighters, even if they had them in mind they would need a good place and time to debut them, which today there aren’t options.
@@BandClarinet3 and it's shows, especially when the plot of every single episode is just a remake of OT but with more generic sci-fi designs and just bland new alien designs in background
What's annoying is that the sequels could've easily said, "due to the New Republics lack of a strong central military, each sector defense force uses its own gear" and then had a mix of basically everything, from old rebels like Leia still using X-Wings, to former separatist worlds dragging old combat droids out of storage, or scrapyards like Ferrix putting Republic tech back together, and even some worlds where the Empire had a good rep stubbornly refusing to give up their old Star Destroyers. Then you just hurl all of the action figures at the new bad guys and boom, happy nerds.
Right! It’s just lazy. I guess, from a lore perspective, it makes sense that The First Order (which was a specifically nostalgic organization, ran by basically the same people as The Empire) would have rehashed the designs from The Empire, but it really doesn’t make much sense that The Resistance would do that as well.
It would be very confusing for the viewer to every time the rebels show up have completely different ships, and in a space battle having like 8 variations of fighters would make you really confused.
The Y-wing thing is worse IMO. It’d be like if DARPA said “oh yeah we’re bringing back the F-4 phantom, but we’re removing all the back armor and we’re gonna add two giant unaerodynamic rectangles to the wings for aesthetics.”
Its like they didn't realize the Y Wing looks the way it does because it was scrapped together, not that it was necessarily an objective upgrade on the sleeker ones from the prequels.
@@KaiserMattTygore927Yeah and also though the A4 was boxier by default, it wasn’t so exposed. Rebel technicians got tired of having to take the body armor on and off to make repairs as it was pretty much a few large pieces instead of a bunch of small ones they could take off in segments iirc. Only the armor sleeve around the cockpit and laser canons remained (the white part that looks like normal hull plating and usually has a colored stripe like yellow)
Let us not forget that there is no reason for sleek or slick, rounded shaped aerodynamics on space ships since there is no friction and no atmosphere in space.. So aerodynamic space ships dont make sense at all.
The y wing is one of the oldest ships and used by the old republic and even in the Glatic Civil War, it is still used by the Rebels. It is one of the best durable fighter/bomber hybrids ever designed. The reason the ship had its armor removed was a logical reason. The ship was super old and the new modifications added a lot of general heat, which the rebels left the armor off so it would help with both maintenance and overheating. The ship was also heavily modififiable to fit needs or upgraded fairly easily. Made it great for the rebels who needed that flexibility. They are soo good that a couple can literally disable a imperial star destroyer with ease with ion torpedos and most fighters get disabled fighting it with ion Cannon turret.
This hits upon something super-important to George Lucas that sorta fell away when Disney bought it, which is the geeky racing and hot rod culture that helped to inspire a lot of what built the imagination of George Lucas. Everything from the speeders in the forests of the Endor moon to Luke building his own speeder on his farm, this all was part of George's obsession with American classic car culture. Even Anakin was building a pod racer while he was living in captivity. Disney forgot about the idea of tinkering with old cars and making them faster, which is an essential concept behind the technology of the Rebellion. They tweaked and tricked-out their technology, while the Empire did not.
I think this is one of the reasons so many people glombed onto the E-Wing. It's a logical progression. Even in Legends, it was meant to replace the A, X and Y-Wings. That makes even more sense lore-wise now with the New Republic going the route of de-militarization(even though I _hate_ that that's the route they took), they'd ideally want more of a do-it-all starfighter
Yeah, you could say they were only a small handful of Ewings that were produced for the new Republic before they email Tori, which is why we only see X wing progressions in the sequels. It be cool to see a fully notarized production model of the Ewing being utilized post sequel. With technological advancements like real life, we could see the bomber interceptor and fighter role all combining into one multi roll platform. however, maybe have like we do in real life where we have stealth fighters that cannot carry as much ordinance also used so maybe an Ewing plus a stealth X would be great
@@GAJake Since the E-wing only has two engines, I wonder if they could use twin ion engines in it to simplify maintenance. Also, that T-85 looks like something that should be on the civilian market. It looks too slimmed down and sports-carred for it to be a real military vehicle. It's basically the AR-16 version of the M-16.
@ I agree. It would be cool if the Ewing was meant to be a very slimmed down production model, using the twin ion engine and without having s foils like the X wing wear and tear and maintenance on moving parts. And the t-85 definitely looks like the touring version of the Toyota forerunner whereas the T 70 looks like an older generation TRD pro. Yeah the 85 maybe newer, but I can’t do what the t70 can
@@GAJake I like the thought process, but not sure I can agree with "slimmed down". More standardized, sure, but I do think it should stick along the same lines of attempting to replace the A, X and Y-Wings. Not that it necessarily does perfectly, but it should still be a somewhat beefy fighter like they have portrayed so far. Very quick, well-armored, large payload and a bit heavier cannons.
In defense of how over 50 years fighters look the same we've kind of hit a similar point in current jet fighter aircraft, the F-15 first entered service in 1972, over 50 years ago, and variants of the fighter are still in service across the world. Additionally the B-52 entered service in 1952 and is still the backbone of the US bomber fleet
And in the same time, in less than 20 years all Venators, Acclamators, Z-95s, ARC-170, and V-Wings were just phased out. And not to mention TIE-Interceptor that is suddenly just there after Episode 4.
Thats good point but the old planes are still evolving and slowly being replaced by new types just look how air superiority changes in last 50 years from "just shooting missiles and dogfighting" to fighting beyond visual range to stealth and look at new generation fighters they are looking completly different in my view in 100 years combat in star wars is still same and main chage is it is better or bigger. My second point last 50 years were quiet peacfull time but when you look at war times you can see accelerated techlogy development a that brings even design changes(drones stealth). And what i see in star wars they were in war time for quiet a long time without visbile design ,techology or combat evolution. other than make it bigger. Like hyperspace tracking or hyperspace interdiction theese things could change how conflicts look.
The difference here is that we've gone from the F-15 to the F-22 to the F-35. Yes F-15 has had upgrades to keep it going and still one of the backbone jets of the US Air Force but the F-35 is quickly over taking it. The Star Wars galaxy needs NEW starfighters for the NEW era.
Admittedly, I don't mind that most post-OT ships look a lot like previous ships. I don't mind that there are newer versions of X-wings, Y-wings, TIEs, and more - that was never an issue. Heck, I am a fan of the Stealth-Xs used by the New Jedi Order. What is an issue is that they are the _only_ ones there. Setting aside the many other options we got to see in the old EU, there are other ships, each built around a certain philosophy and intended mission. This is really the problem with a lot of ships presented these days, just like with so many cars: they are just too similar to each other (some is expected, but it should not be _this_ much), and too many try to chase the past. There is a place for this kind of stuff, but they do not deserve the lion's share.
On the flip side, my complaint is that a lot of these ships get new iterations way too quickly when it seems the rest of technology seems to have stagnated. It's also logistically impossible to equip these new governments with enough of the new ships to span the entire galaxy.
Yeah, I consider the T-70 and RZ-2 to be really good examples of plausible evolutions of the X-wing and A-wing. (The T-85 less so, but given how stylized everything in that cartoon was, there's still room to refine its appearance to better fit the design lineage.) *Some* of the First Order ships also came off as plausible evolutions of their Imperial predecessors. Though their basic TIE literally looking like a copy-paste of the TIE/ln is lazy as hell. And I have to at least give the StarFortress bomber credit for being completely new. It's not the ship's fault that Rian Johnson has no clue how bombers actually work and made it complete cannon fodder.
Just something else to think of, while there's 50 years between the first Spitfire and the First Rafale, it's also been 50 years since the first F-16 and ones still coming off the production line. I'd be hard pressed to tell an F-16A from an F-16V without looking at them very closely, but there's as much technological development between them as there is between A Spitfire and the first Rafale's.
@@stevoc9930 2 completely different aircraft not of the same family. One by General Dynamics designed for all-weather day fighting, the other by Lockheed Martin for strike missions and surveillance.
@@atomicr4y472 Well I think thats the point that was made in the video is it not. 40 years ago the F-16 was the main fighter of the USAF now it's the F-35. Because technology moves on and develops. F-16s are still in use because they've been heavily modified but they are not the main fighter anymore. The Rebels/Republic probably would have moved onto a different design between the fall of the Empire and the events of Episode 7. They actually probably would have took over the Empires ship yards and made a modified Tie-Fighter.
@@stevoc9930 Or maybe they wouldn't have because, while the TIE is extremely effective and capable of being mass produced at a cost-effective rate, the New Republic would not want to associate itself with anything Imperial for political purposes. They want to stick to the "rebrand" so to speak and cast aside corporations like Sienar who made the cost effective but still _Imperial_ Navy. Instead they'll stick with the ships that won the war and are a symbol of "change" and "freedom" even if that hamstrings their military.
That’s a good point. In addition, I think that there was long periods of technological stagnation in the Star Wars galaxy. Like in Star Wars it is not unusual at all for people to be flying 100 year old ships (which look essentially the same as newer models).
Why hasn't anyone tried hypermatter injection into their fusion drives to increase their speed like Han Solo did? Just hit the NOS whenever the fuzz shows up.
There's a fun tidbit in one of the X-Wing novels that because early production runs of A-Wings were essentially craft-produced in underground factories and small shops, they could end up with unusual features like wood panelling in the cockpit.
I agree, Disney really dropped the ball with ship designs in the sequels. In the prequels, the ships and vehicles looked similar, but not quite the same as those in the OT, so you could look at them and say "ok, the Arc fighter's kind of clunky, but I can see how it evolved into the X-wing." It was fun and creative. With the sequels, Disney just used practically the exact same designs with a tiny tweak here and there, that more casual viewers would probably miss altogether. It's just pure laziness.
Yeah, we need like a new wheel, just ask Elon Musk, I'm sure wheels are stupid and he won't be including them in his next design because they have been used by legacy companies for so long.
@@thieupham493 Disney choose to not modify the ships bc it wanted to cash on the fans nostalgies,who will see xwings and tie fight once more and transfer the love to the new movies.But it failed.
Same. When I first saw the new x-wing, I was supremely disappointed. In fact, I hated it. Cutting the engines in half just drew my attention to how the originals looked like turbines and turbines can't spin if you cut them in half. Then there's the wings. To make them thinner in flight mode, they turned them into toothpicks in attack mode. Why? Any advantage you might have gotten in flight mode is lost the moment they become puzzle pieces in attack mode (which is when you'd really need it). The whole thing looks like they took something robust and made it needlessly flimsy for the sake of appearance, just like they do with laptops. I present to you the Apple- Wing! In our pursuit of form over function, we've striped out anything modular or convenient and fused all the parts into a single brick so that you'll have to buy a whole new fighter if anything breaks. But look how sleek it is!
The onyx cinder without the outer armor looks like a u wing crossed with mauls scimitar imo. It’s a sleek design with the bulky aspects in the engines and aft end. I like it
Bit daft the New Republic didn't take more advantage of the Empires military technology development, ie flying TIE fighters around would be a bad visual but incorporating and upscaling the twin ion engine design into New Republic fighters would just make sense, look at the Allies post WW2 we took anything not nailed down (including scientists and engineers) developed by the Axis Powers and studied the hell out of it
There's one major difference between the starfighter designs in the galaxy far far away and the fighter aircraft of our world. The first controllable powered airplanes were developed at the beginning of the 20th century. The aeroplane was just moving beyond it's toddlerhood when the Supermarine Spitfire made its first flight, and it was obsolete as an air superiority fighter shortly after World War II ended. So the 56 years between the Spitfire's first flight and the first flight of the Eurofighter Typhoon saw a huge amount of airplane development. The fictional Star Wars galaxy has seen starfighters evolve for countless centuries, possibly millennia. Starfighter technology may continue to advance, but starfighter technology is mature and will advance much more slowly than it was during our 20th century. My understanding is that the greatest advance from the T-65 and T-70 was that the New Republic actually had the resources to build their new X-Wing the way it should have been built, and the T-85, was a refinement on that using about 40 years of advancement on the T-70s design. I confess, I would have been happier if the designs for the sequel trilogy were as different from the OT as the prequel's ships were from the OT but I'm not surprised that the difference between the ships of the Clone Wars and the ships of the Sequel trilogy isn't as great as the fighters used in the Vietnam War and the current production fighters. Mature technology advances slowly.
The caveat here is that the fighter from the Prequel era were only in service for like four years, and even then all but the modded Y-wing were not featured heavily in The Alliance. I suspect that a lot of V-Wings and modified ARC-170s, V-19s, and Z-95s were in use by the rebellion _somewhere_ but just never featured in any on-screen action from the rebellion era. Like maybe the A-Wing and X-Wing were their top-tier starfighters, and it makes sense that the best pilots in the elite squads would have them, but not even the pre-Alliance rebels around the Ghost crew were using Clone Wars era starfighters (with the exception of the Y-Wing).
Something with Star Wars that has bothered me is the innovation shown in Starships and starfighters design - for supposedly a galactic civilization that has been technology stagnant for 10,000-20,000 years if not more. You'd think they would have iron-ed out solid designs a long time ago and there would be no room for novel ideas.
Yeah. I feel that if a new star fighter does show up, it’s gonna do long range missiles akin to our modern jets. The death of the Dogfight era in a way, yet somewhat still around due to it being space. Just something fully new that actually shakes things up.
I would expect starfighter evolution to slow down in times of peace, and the Old Republic has been at peace for a very long time. Like the dodo, flawed ideas can survive a long time when they are uncontested and it's not worth the cost of fixing them.
Hey Alan, the delta shape and super firing weapon arcs are extremely efficient for a line breaker ship. The issue isn’t the general shape which is a good design, it’s the size and the location of the shield arrays and the CIC.
@@HB-C_U_L8R You should use the link Alan posted to create an itemized and indexed list of the time-marks in each video's starting and ending points for Alan to work from for the project you're paying him to do.
I should point out that the f-15 was developed in the 1970s and is still in service albeit with incremental updates but if you showed an average person the first one from the 70s to one being flown now, they would be hard pressed to find the difference. We are approaching 50 years.
I'd like to point out that the F-15 is no longer a cutting edge fighter. Yes, they are still in service, but we also have newer fighter designs in use, like the F-22 and F-35 that look quite different.
@henryfleischer404 it doesn't need to be cutting edge to be a useful tool of the military. It is a chef's knife. It does the bulk of the work but there will always be need for more specialized knives (paring, bread, cleaver,etc). The chef's knife has only seen incremental updates over the last few centuries. No need to revolutionize what gets the job done.
In the lore, the good ship designs end up being used for centuries with only small incremental upgrades until there's something new that shifts the paradigm. The x wing and tie fighters design is still solid with their upgrades their even better and do the lob, until a paradigm shifting technology/design emerges, then they will replace them.
Your comparing earth technological evolution to the technological evolution of a galaxy that is FAR more developed than ours. I think I would be correct in saying technology within the Star Wars galaxy has peaked for the most part. The curve of evolutions has leveled out. Abundant resources and multi cultural trade has propelled the galaxy into a state of cultural amalgamation within tech. Little effort is given to innovation. Rather, priority is placed on what is most ‘efficient’.
9:07 "getting out of the tutorial zone" yes! What I miss in most sci-fi is the open exploration that a personal spaceship should allow. Everybody always flies to a spaceport or an inhabited planet. And what modern Star Wars is missing is the natural approach that pilots would have towards their assigned or personal spaceships: personalisation, modding, innovation.
The shape a look of the ships changing very little over a long period of time is something you see in real life with real aircraft. the F-15 of the 1970's is almost identical to the newest variant of F-15s coming out today.
The biggest issue I think is that there are no "era defining" ships in the sequel trilogy. In the prequels we had the N-1 naboo starfighter, the ARC-170 or the V-19 Torrent as well as any droid fighter. The OT had the X-wing, Y-wing and Tie variants. Saying any one of these would immediately place the conversation in an era, a specific time in-universe. The sequels have well pretty much just another X-wing, another Y-wing, more star destroyers etc. This can even go for the character and armour designs. Prequels - clones and droids. OT - Stormtroopers and rebels in full almost modern looking combat gear. Sequels - more Stormtroopers and less combat-capable looking rebels.
I had really hoped to have seen an evolution of starships for both factions in the sequels too. The First Order emulating the Empire makes sense but keeping the X-wing around they lost the chance of introducing a new starfighter.
Those clunky MG-100 Starfortresses were new to the franchise (even though they were outdated in universe). But, of course we all wanted to see the evolution of the starfighters. Like we saw the pre-X-Wing in the ARC-170 and the pre-TIE in the Eta Actis Class in the prequels…
@@jeffreycarman2185It'd be perfectly reasonable to build a bomber that _isn't_ some slow-moving abomination too. Imagine the Star Wars equivalent of a B-1B Lancer or Tu-160 Blackjack. They're still large, multi-crew craft, but they're absurdly fast for their size, and the Bone in particular was built for low-level near-supersonic nuclear attack. I could see the Star Wars version being built around throwing massive anti-ship missiles that are easily the size of an X-wing's engine at absurd speeds, using the bomber's own terrifying speed to give the missiles one hell of an initial boost, reducing the time the missiles need to run their own engines, allowing for even crazier acceleration, and by extention reducing the chance of interception. Since the bomber itself is moving obscenely fast and the rear is almost entirely made of engines and their support systems, cannon-based defensive firepower wouldn't be as viable, so I could see them packing a small battery of anti-fighter missiles in a compact VLS array to effectively toss over the bomber's shoulder as it goes screaming past to deter pursuit.
i can see where your coming from BUT a aircraft doesn't have to look different to be a variant of the original aircraft, the t series x-wings may look generally the same but that's how the first was designed the only differences may only be tech upgrades as well as paint jobs but the designers of the t series wanted to stay true to the original design, just like the F-35 a, b, and c, they look the same but they have tech upgrades with the c variant having VTOL capabilities while a and b don't.
Thank you for making this video. It has been one of my major issues with newer star wars, not exploring new designs. In the original six films, we had brand new vehicle designs in every single movie.
My friends and I in high school before we had cars, as sophomores we had Honda elite 80 scooters. But that year we got to jump on everyone, we were like VIP’s at lunch because, we had an open campus and you could take one person with you.
This has been the reality for Disney canon. I know arguments could be made that the K-Wing and E-Wing in legends were just continued designs off the X-Wing, but Legends had so many advancements and concepts thrown to the public. In the Legacy comics, the Republic's flagship starfighter looks more like a Cloakshape fighter, and the Fel Empire's TIEs were more like those paper scuds we'd shoot at each other with rubberbands in school.
As efficiency became more and more important to car design, aerodynamics have forced designers to try and not screw up the aero when designing. Kind of like >most< airplanes (flying wings being the big exception) have the same basic shape. When you have to hit or exceed fuel / battery economy targets, the wind tunnel and computational fluid dynamics, well, rule the roost.
Darned if they do darned if they don’t. There are periods of stagnation in design where 50 years won’t see much of a change in design. In other instances through history we see huge leaps in design in shorter periods of tech booms. Anyway you look at it you’d have half the fans mad that things are being changed and that’s not star wars and the other half mad if things are being rehashed. I see both sides but let’s be honest, while the culture war grift continues there’s no way they could please everyone.
Between the Wright brothers first taking flight and the F-4 phantom going Mach was about 55 years. Between the first flight of the F-16 and, well, the modern day F-16s is roughly 50 years too
There is no right answer, from an in-universe perspective. But, because the story of the sequel trilogy was extremely derivative of the OT, having the technology also be derivative is just insult to injury.
Generation Tech is one of THE only Star Wars channels I still follow along with Geetsly and Ekharts. You guys actually cover Star Wars instead of bashing the shows or "Disney Star Wars" and being more of a couch critic.
honestly yeah. the community here and on geetsly and ecks is the only reason i still care about star wars. the rest of th fandom is getting more toxic and cynical by the day, and disney is still struggling to find its footing. thought, there has been real bangers, and good things even in the worst
What you also have to take into account is that the Star Wars galaxy has gone through more that one dark age and tend to aim their tech towards broad stability and compatibility. Which is why some ancient dreadnought can be of rough parity with a modern capital ship.
Military equipment may actually evolve slower for Galaxy Wide empires, because the more equipment you have- the more you will want to make new technology compatible with old technology. Take the tie fighter for example. They're docked into their hangers in vertical rows, and if they wanted to make a new star fighter they would have to replace that docking mechanism on every hanger for every star destroyer in the entire empire. So its easier just to make the new fighters compatible with old equipment than to make the old equipment compatible with new fighters.
It's star wars there lines of ships gets phased out in less than 20 years (prequels spacecraft to OT spacecraft) and even more; Tie fighters are switched to Interceptors in a span of couple of years, and B-Wings with A-wings are also featured for the first time in less than 7 years.
Alan would say they are all stupid because they use wings to fly and still shoot missiles which is lame. What people like him don't understand is the plateau design and technology hits and it may take centuries or more before someone has a breakthrough that accelerates new design. Stupid humans are still using round wheels, Alan would use triangle wheels for the cool factor.
I almost want to compare the X-wing with the Mig-21 or F-5; rough, reliable, and able to maintain in less-than-ideal circumstances. 65 years in, and still in use by smaller militaries and paramilitary groups the world over. (Closer to the F-4 or Mig-23 as a larger fighter type, but my point still stands (You've seen Iran still running their fleet in the air on the funky Cuban car voodoo for the past 40 years)). Do still wish to see more E-wing action with the New Republic, but the X-wing for the Resistance just makes too much sense for me. Y-wing though... Why, oh why is the Y-wing still Y-ing it? It's like seeing the DPRK still using the Il-28. And the design crew overlooking the Clawcraft to the TIE/LN for the First order should have been a crime!
Basically the design teams at Lucas Film were told that the Aesthetic peaked at the OT and to not deviate from those Silhouettes. Creating a sense of stagnation on a gut level to the whole setting, not helped by the frequent rehashing of older plotlines with minor tweaks (something Legends has been Guilty of as well, but usually still within the rough time span of the OT at least.) The New Republic/Resistance and the First Order needed their own visual Identity separate from their predecessors, but the people making the decisions don't set trends anymore, they chase them.
The thing to keep in mind, when comparing to modern tech, is the fact that space fairing ships have been around for millennia. There really isn’t a whole lot more for manufacturers to do when upgrading older models. We’ve only had planes for about 100 years. We have plenty of reasons for modern crafts to be so different from their inception, but in the world of Star Wars, whole civilizations have come and gone since the inception of space travel. We just like to differentiate the eras of the franchise and that’s all this is.
I always prefer the E-Wing and K-Wing from Legends when it comes to new republic starfighters. They have more advanced technology and are an upgrade to the X-Wing and Y-Wing while having a new and unique design.
@@Ringleader064 That is true, but it was an attempt at a genuine successor to the X-Wing even if the E-Wing didn't see as much wide spread use. I still like it better than the T70 or T85 X-Wing.
my compliments to you and the entire GT team, Alan! excellent insight and perspective w/ perfect examples in support. a master class in how and why details matter and the importance of respecting them. 🙉🙈🙊
Look at the F-15A as it first flew in 1972. Now look at the F-15EX Eagle II which first flew in 2013. Externally, they look about the same despite being almost 50 years apart and being totally unique airframes. The rapid change in outer appearance will slow as technology advances and breakthroughs become less and less frequent.
Notably, the A and EX variants serve different roles. The F-15A was an air superiority fighter, meant to directly engage enemy aircraft, while the EX is a strike fighter that leans heavily into force interoperability, meant to be a bomb or missile truck to engage ground targets or serve as a mobile missile silo for the 22s and 35s further forward.
Hey Alan, I watch literally all of your video's. Have done for idk, a year or two. Firstly you are just a smart and likable guy. But more importantly to me, I just realized why I like your video's so much. Just knowing there is a guy out there that is even more obsessed with Star Wars than Me. lol... Keep up the great work my friend.
8:04 no money for developing new space ships . We just invented flight from ww2 to 1990 ... airplanes in 2040 will not look that much different. Just look at the f16
I like your videos about the Star Wars technologies.. so well researched! The main pirate vessel in episode one of skeleton crew… it reminds me of an old mon calamari ship repurposed… maybe a film on pirate ships and possible origins? What would a Hutt ship be like? As ships reflect a race as well as a planet. I love the different ships glimpsed in skeleton crew.
The point about starships reflecting the time they were made and their creator got me curious: What do you think future starfighters and warships in the Star Wars galaxy should look like, and what technology should they include considering the relatively slow advancement of technology in the Star Wars galaxy? I'm curious to know your opinion. The video was great Alan, thank you for making videos that ship nerds like me can thoroughly enjoy.
Most of the new Resistance designs don't necessarily look *bad* to me, but just not as good as the originals. The A-Wing, my favorite of the bunch, looks less smooth and less 'sportscar' in aesthetic as a result which makes my braid read it as less advanced. Perfect for a *predecessor* but doesn't work as well as a successor. The Ralph McQuarrie X-Wing concept is alright, but the blocky wings just feel like they came from a different design entirely-the whole thing was already done before (IMO better) in the EU with the Z-95. The big problem for me I think is that narratively, the Resistance is using resources scraped up from the leftovers of the Rebel Alliance/New Republic. They shouldn't be using new designs. They should either be using old designs from the Original Trilogy, or something else entirely that's similarly appropriate. Give them Z-95s and Cloakshapes if you want them to look visually distinct, but the Resistances ships just come off as off-brand Rebel Alliance, which doesn't do them any wonders for making them memorable/distinctive.
My NA MX5 Speeder is a nimble speeder/fighter...excellent for the rebelion and fun as hell. Upgrading the external engines later this year (not joking). I have spoken. 👍
What I find most interesting about the X-wing, A-Wing, and Y-Wing upgraded models, is that we can clearly see the thought out design lineage and origin of these ships in the Clone Wars era ships, but these ships are drastically different. If the sequel trilogy wanted to recycle the ships from the OT, they should have just recycled them. This would have made sense because The Resistance was supposed to be even less well funded than The Alliance.
I really resonated with the "American love of things with motors" portion, I think you're absolutely right. Vehicles--both real and fictional--can evoke more nostalgia and character than a main protagonist or award-winning actor.
The only thing I found interesting is the Resistance Y-Wing primarily because the newer production models did allow you to make them appear closer to the Clone Wars Era models. Just not as heavily armored.
You almost made me rethink my idea to make a updated U-wing. My idea would have the U-wing be a little longer, wider, and up gunned. Added an engineer as another crewmember. Then I realized....I am not a designer. Yeah my idea may not inspiring but I like it. This idea is what I would like to see in a galaxy far, far away. Keep up the good work. Did you every do a video about what original person would like to be in a galaxy far, far away? A person in every era?
You hit the nail on the head. George Lucas, after making American Grafitti, a film that revolved around cool cars, went and did a movie about magical space samurais, with cool ships. We all loved those ships. The bragging rights of owning one. The current management doesn't know about it. It shows.
Funny how the First order basically upgraded all their vehicles except the Tie fighter. Shields don't matter if the alliance still one tap tie fighters. Wished the tie silencer was atleast more of a heavy tie fighter variant similar to the arc 170.
That’s what really annoys me. The TIE design isn’t even that good! No matter how many variants they make, they always keep going back to the same terrible cockpit…
@@Spudtron98 Not to mention that the dagger shape of Interceptors was supposed to be a way to increase the area of the panels while also improving visibility. Why go back to the hexagonal panels?
Any schmuck can envision an upgrade that is just "we added a bunch more stuff to it"; a good design is as much about what you _leave out_ as what you add. The TIE's lack of hyperdrive/shields is what made them so cheap to make/maintain and therefore numerous (as well as explaining some movie circumstances such as the one-shotting and Obi-wan's "short range fighters" comment). So this change should, even assuming tech gains, have made FO TIEs more expensive and thus less numerous - even _moreso_ given the First Order is not a galaxy-spanning regime. Of course, the First Order have cheatcodes or something, as the only logistics they appear to utilise is "Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V". I'm pretty sure Disney couldn't change the one-shot-kill trope (seems they didn't dare change anything in the Star Wars dynamic, hence faction and plot recycling); but like all the Sequel stuff it still had to be Bigger & Better - a desire to eat & own the cake that results in the onscreen equivalent of half-eaten, pocket-stuffed cake.
I love the fact that Alan is so clearly a gearhead irl and it’s creeping into these videos. It’s fun and it grounds these machines’ existence in the lore as pieces of engineering and industry.
I think you've made some good points that also point out how Star Wars is a victim of it's own iconic ships. I think a big reason we still see the X-wing and Tie fighter with almost no change is because they're such iconic ships to the series that any primary movie has to include them or else a very loud group of the fans will begin foaming at the mouth and nashing their teeth as they complain that Star Wars is being stripped of what it is. The side series that are getting made seem to be doing an absolutely wonderful job at introducing new and unique ship designs that are operated by the protagonists of the series showing that the Star Wars universe is more than just X-wings and Tie Fighters.
I find it kinda funny that the Expanding Fronts mod for Galactic Battlegrounds helps distinguish between Rebel and Resistance aircraft (besides faction accent colours) is "Rebel = tan, Resistance = white". Also their B-Wings have an opposite alignment.
The triangle shape of a Star Destroyer is pure function over form. The triangle design allows all weapons on either side of the centerline to fire fully forward as well as to the sides, and centrally mounted weapons to fire to both sides as well as forward. The only weakness of this design is that it virtually eliminates firing arcs to the rear. It's designed for pure offense, not defense.
I know you always try to be objective, but; you actually revealed your inner desires for the current disney era: not caring for all the Jedi stuff and wanting see more wider and broader topics and more importantly "creatively bankrupt designs" for the starships. Pretty much summed up the entirety of disney era with those amazing few exceptions(also you have to objectively look at the directors and their vision/philosophies for those noteworthy few). Keep up the awesome content, I do enjoy your deeper dives on all the broader topics within the context of the verse very much so.
In a not really deserved defense of the newer stuff, it would have been an insane risk to try to replace the iconic designs with how attached fans are to them. Most franchises can't dump everything but the name and expect fans to stick with it.
There is an easy hack there, which is to have most of the setting switch to a new type of fighter, but still have Poe use an X-Wing because "they don't make them like they used to". I think that's what happened with the E-Wing in legends.
@RorikH With how much grief people give for how high tech the Prequels were compared to the Originals? The hoops they have had to jump through to even try to justify an overly militarized government having worse military tech than the 'peaceful' power they usurped is bad enough already.
Was he a genius? I thought he and Palpatine just bonded over their mutual love of scheming. (And of course he and Anakin bonded over their love of war crimes)
The Empire had plans in place to phase out the standard TIE and full fleet adopt the TIE Interceptor as standard issue. The First Order forms and...goes back to the standard TIE, but upgrade it abit?
so with the analogy of the new Y wing and the hypotheicaly reintroduced 5th gen honda civic not having insurance, does this imply i can get insurance on my original Y wing?
In general I agree with your comments. Aesthetically I wish the sequel trilogy had taken more risks and brought us something new. That being said, I would like you to look at the profile of the F-15 and the F-22. The design of the F-22 is very much a "stealth" F-15. There are minor shape changes that maneuver the radar waves past or in the wrong direction. But the design is fundamentally the same.
Regarding the WWII Tech Progress: Jets even were already in testing, in fact, the first ever Jet to take flight was the german He 178 in 1939. The very year the second World War broke out. And in 1944 both Germany and Great Britain brought their own jets (Me 262 for germany, Gloster Meteor for Great Britain) into service. And there were many more worked on. Hell, germany introduced the first Jet Bomber with the Ar 234. And there were quite a lot of projects in the background. Now look at Star Wars... No massive leaps after the Empire/Rebellion except for a few capital ships.
One of the reason i hate the disney sequels is the ships.They tried to cash on the fans nostalgies who will see xwings,tie fighters and star destroyers fighting once more,instead of creating new ships for a new era. All 6 of the original movies had unique ships and vehicles that you can identify with that movie.Even rebel one had unique ships and vehicles that made sense.
How the Sequels treated ships is shoddy too. Every time a new and interesting one shows up, they blow it up immediately or put it so far from the camera (or cut so quick) that you can't tell what it is. The moment where Rey and Finn run to the Quadjumper is a terrific symbol of the Sequels. Could the new thing be our salvation? No, blow it up. The garbage will do. Only in the shows do they really let you see the ships.
Speaking of designs that are just throwbacks to the collective memory of old, great, designs, I noticed the helmet on your shelf. (Motorcycles are huge on this). What do you ride?
Pretty confident that the Y-wing in the sequels are a purpose built single seat fighter with better speed and maneuverability than the alliance or republic models. I honestly love every rendition of the Y-wing, feels like the perfect representation of what strike fighters are in real life
Im saying im glad this upload showed up in my feed. I havent been into Star Wars in ages, but that T8X Wing looks to cool to ignore. In fact, my Godzilla & Gundam figures looking kinda lonely lately. Where to pick up a t8x for myself? Hmmmmm?...
This is what I was thinking watching season 3 of Star Trek Picard. I've watched 40-years of starship evolution but with Picard, while I certainly appreciate it, we now see Starfleet designers feeling nostalgia for the Original Series movie era! I love the 2270s era Constitution refit but how is that a design that fits the mission over 125-years later?
I like the nose on the T-85. I would however go for a ring style thruster affixed just behind the droid port connected with the x pattern to remain an X-wing. I'd also suggest a weapons configuration with a firing pattern that the has the beast evasion options leading to being boxed in by the other guns.
I think you could look at Freespace and Freespace 2 for how a design can still be an "iconic ship" but also modernized-- nobody is mistaking a Hercules for a Hercules II, or a Valkyrie for a Perseus. This stuff feels more like Disney wants to change the design just enough to exert their own trademark on them but don't want to get _too_ far from the original recognizable designs because they want that recognition from the fans.
Slapping on a new paintjob def ain't it! That said, the way the X-wings were upgraded throughout the EU (never calling it Legends) was really cool. Culminating in the NJO XJ-series, complete with the Jedi Shadowbombs & short-lived exhaust glow/trail. To say nothing of the shield enhancements to combat the Vong.
You know, thinking about how little Star Wars tech has progressed reminded me of another series I’m obsessed with, mobile suit gundam and how that has the exact opposite problem (especially with the OYW)
I've been saying this for literal years xD this is why the popsicle, the crait speeder, and the freaking reverse snowmobile speeder are my favorite vehicles of this trilogy...
Calling any of the designs “lazy” is a huge insult to all the writers, concept artists, model builders, and other creatives. A lot of effort by a lot of hard working people goes into what we see on screen. This is a shout out to all of the crew through all phases of production, we appreciate what you do.
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The X Wing was created as a starfighter for the Empire in Legends. Most of the Rebellion's ships (like the Nebulon-B) are second-rate ships or rejected by the Empire. The Rebel Alliance in lore uses whatever equipment they can find. I think it's a shame that Disney has barely explored the fact that the Rebels have ships of all types and from all sources in their ranks and continue to use the same ships and designs.
In the sequels they wanted to preserve fan service. So no creativity. As far as other fighters, even if they had them in mind they would need a good place and time to debut them, which today there aren’t options.
@@BandClarinet3 and it's shows, especially when the plot of every single episode is just a remake of OT but with more generic sci-fi designs and just bland new alien designs in background
What's annoying is that the sequels could've easily said, "due to the New Republics lack of a strong central military, each sector defense force uses its own gear" and then had a mix of basically everything, from old rebels like Leia still using X-Wings, to former separatist worlds dragging old combat droids out of storage, or scrapyards like Ferrix putting Republic tech back together, and even some worlds where the Empire had a good rep stubbornly refusing to give up their old Star Destroyers. Then you just hurl all of the action figures at the new bad guys and boom, happy nerds.
Right! It’s just lazy. I guess, from a lore perspective, it makes sense that The First Order (which was a specifically nostalgic organization, ran by basically the same people as The Empire) would have rehashed the designs from The Empire, but it really doesn’t make much sense that The Resistance would do that as well.
It would be very confusing for the viewer to every time the rebels show up have completely different ships, and in a space battle having like 8 variations of fighters would make you really confused.
The Y-wing thing is worse IMO. It’d be like if DARPA said “oh yeah we’re bringing back the F-4 phantom, but we’re removing all the back armor and we’re gonna add two giant unaerodynamic rectangles to the wings for aesthetics.”
Its like they didn't realize the Y Wing looks the way it does because it was scrapped together, not that it was necessarily an objective upgrade on the sleeker ones from the prequels.
Nah man it’s the buff.
@@KaiserMattTygore927Yeah and also though the A4 was boxier by default, it wasn’t so exposed. Rebel technicians got tired of having to take the body armor on and off to make repairs as it was pretty much a few large pieces instead of a bunch of small ones they could take off in segments iirc. Only the armor sleeve around the cockpit and laser canons remained (the white part that looks like normal hull plating and usually has a colored stripe like yellow)
Let us not forget that there is no reason for sleek or slick, rounded shaped aerodynamics on space ships since there is no friction and no atmosphere in space.. So aerodynamic space ships dont make sense at all.
The y wing is one of the oldest ships and used by the old republic and even in the Glatic Civil War, it is still used by the Rebels. It is one of the best durable fighter/bomber hybrids ever designed. The reason the ship had its armor removed was a logical reason. The ship was super old and the new modifications added a lot of general heat, which the rebels left the armor off so it would help with both maintenance and overheating. The ship was also heavily modififiable to fit needs or upgraded fairly easily. Made it great for the rebels who needed that flexibility. They are soo good that a couple can literally disable a imperial star destroyer with ease with ion torpedos and most fighters get disabled fighting it with ion Cannon turret.
This hits upon something super-important to George Lucas that sorta fell away when Disney bought it, which is the geeky racing and hot rod culture that helped to inspire a lot of what built the imagination of George Lucas. Everything from the speeders in the forests of the Endor moon to Luke building his own speeder on his farm, this all was part of George's obsession with American classic car culture. Even Anakin was building a pod racer while he was living in captivity. Disney forgot about the idea of tinkering with old cars and making them faster, which is an essential concept behind the technology of the Rebellion. They tweaked and tricked-out their technology, while the Empire did not.
Great point!
Lucas was selling a dream, Disney only cares about selling stocks.
that's one of the core issues with disney's "art by commitee"-approach
@@Spooglecraft Just because Disney does what the Communist Party wants doesn't mean it's a committee approach.
Except for the mandalorian episode hot rodding the Nabu fighter.
I think this is one of the reasons so many people glombed onto the E-Wing. It's a logical progression. Even in Legends, it was meant to replace the A, X and Y-Wings. That makes even more sense lore-wise now with the New Republic going the route of de-militarization(even though I _hate_ that that's the route they took), they'd ideally want more of a do-it-all starfighter
let's see some more E-Wing love.
Yeah, you could say they were only a small handful of Ewings that were produced for the new Republic before they email Tori, which is why we only see X wing progressions in the sequels. It be cool to see a fully notarized production model of the Ewing being utilized post sequel. With technological advancements like real life, we could see the bomber interceptor and fighter role all combining into one multi roll platform. however, maybe have like we do in real life where we have stealth fighters that cannot carry as much ordinance also used so maybe an Ewing plus a stealth X would be great
@@GAJake Since the E-wing only has two engines, I wonder if they could use twin ion engines in it to simplify maintenance.
Also, that T-85 looks like something that should be on the civilian market. It looks too slimmed down and sports-carred for it to be a real military vehicle. It's basically the AR-16 version of the M-16.
@ I agree. It would be cool if the Ewing was meant to be a very slimmed down production model, using the twin ion engine and without having s foils like the X wing wear and tear and maintenance on moving parts. And the t-85 definitely looks like the touring version of the Toyota forerunner whereas the T 70 looks like an older generation TRD pro. Yeah the 85 maybe newer, but I can’t do what the t70 can
@@GAJake I like the thought process, but not sure I can agree with "slimmed down". More standardized, sure, but I do think it should stick along the same lines of attempting to replace the A, X and Y-Wings. Not that it necessarily does perfectly, but it should still be a somewhat beefy fighter like they have portrayed so far. Very quick, well-armored, large payload and a bit heavier cannons.
In defense of how over 50 years fighters look the same we've kind of hit a similar point in current jet fighter aircraft, the F-15 first entered service in 1972, over 50 years ago, and variants of the fighter are still in service across the world. Additionally the B-52 entered service in 1952 and is still the backbone of the US bomber fleet
The last B-52 airframe was built in 1960. There are cases of individual aircraft being piloted by the grandchildren of their original pilots.
And in the same time, in less than 20 years all Venators, Acclamators, Z-95s, ARC-170, and V-Wings were just phased out. And not to mention TIE-Interceptor that is suddenly just there after Episode 4.
In our defense, we are obligated to follow the laws of physics, which Star Wars is not.
Thats good point but the old planes are still evolving and slowly being replaced by new types just look how air superiority changes in last 50 years from "just shooting missiles and dogfighting" to fighting beyond visual range to stealth and look at new generation fighters they are looking completly different in my view in 100 years combat in star wars is still same and main chage is it is better or bigger.
My second point last 50 years were quiet peacfull time but when you look at war times you can see accelerated techlogy development a that brings even design changes(drones stealth). And what i see in star wars they were in war time for quiet a long time without visbile design ,techology or combat evolution. other than make it bigger.
Like hyperspace tracking or hyperspace interdiction theese things could change how conflicts look.
The difference here is that we've gone from the F-15 to the F-22 to the F-35. Yes F-15 has had upgrades to keep it going and still one of the backbone jets of the US Air Force but the F-35 is quickly over taking it. The Star Wars galaxy needs NEW starfighters for the NEW era.
Admittedly, I don't mind that most post-OT ships look a lot like previous ships. I don't mind that there are newer versions of X-wings, Y-wings, TIEs, and more - that was never an issue. Heck, I am a fan of the Stealth-Xs used by the New Jedi Order.
What is an issue is that they are the _only_ ones there. Setting aside the many other options we got to see in the old EU, there are other ships, each built around a certain philosophy and intended mission. This is really the problem with a lot of ships presented these days, just like with so many cars: they are just too similar to each other (some is expected, but it should not be _this_ much), and too many try to chase the past. There is a place for this kind of stuff, but they do not deserve the lion's share.
Right! It’s got corporation written all over it: the safest bets will be what the C-suite executives will approve.
On the flip side, my complaint is that a lot of these ships get new iterations way too quickly when it seems the rest of technology seems to have stagnated. It's also logistically impossible to equip these new governments with enough of the new ships to span the entire galaxy.
Yeah, I consider the T-70 and RZ-2 to be really good examples of plausible evolutions of the X-wing and A-wing. (The T-85 less so, but given how stylized everything in that cartoon was, there's still room to refine its appearance to better fit the design lineage.) *Some* of the First Order ships also came off as plausible evolutions of their Imperial predecessors. Though their basic TIE literally looking like a copy-paste of the TIE/ln is lazy as hell.
And I have to at least give the StarFortress bomber credit for being completely new. It's not the ship's fault that Rian Johnson has no clue how bombers actually work and made it complete cannon fodder.
Its just so boring, doesn't at all feel like a new era.
@@RedXlV Star Fortress should've been some kind of frigate.
Alan has quickly become one of my favorite Star Wars channels. Keep up the great and unique content.
Been for a while to me 👍
Not much competition as of late tbf
Agreed!
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Just something else to think of, while there's 50 years between the first Spitfire and the First Rafale, it's also been 50 years since the first F-16 and ones still coming off the production line.
I'd be hard pressed to tell an F-16A from an F-16V without looking at them very closely, but there's as much technological development between them as there is between A Spitfire and the first Rafale's.
Yeah but how about an F-16 and an F-35?
@@stevoc9930 2 completely different aircraft not of the same family. One by General Dynamics designed for all-weather day fighting, the other by Lockheed Martin for strike missions and surveillance.
@@atomicr4y472 Well I think thats the point that was made in the video is it not. 40 years ago the F-16 was the main fighter of the USAF now it's the F-35. Because technology moves on and develops. F-16s are still in use because they've been heavily modified but they are not the main fighter anymore. The Rebels/Republic probably would have moved onto a different design between the fall of the Empire and the events of Episode 7. They actually probably would have took over the Empires ship yards and made a modified Tie-Fighter.
@@stevoc9930 Or maybe they wouldn't have because, while the TIE is extremely effective and capable of being mass produced at a cost-effective rate, the New Republic would not want to associate itself with anything Imperial for political purposes. They want to stick to the "rebrand" so to speak and cast aside corporations like Sienar who made the cost effective but still _Imperial_ Navy. Instead they'll stick with the ships that won the war and are a symbol of "change" and "freedom" even if that hamstrings their military.
That’s a good point. In addition, I think that there was long periods of technological stagnation in the Star Wars galaxy. Like in Star Wars it is not unusual at all for people to be flying 100 year old ships (which look essentially the same as newer models).
X wing still looks like a 70's dragster
….like God and George Lucas intended. ✌🏾
Why hasn't anyone tried hypermatter injection into their fusion drives to increase their speed like Han Solo did? Just hit the NOS whenever the fuzz shows up.
The Force Awakens was how JJ would have done a New Hope, hence why all the ships are all familiar and lack imagination.
I'm a fan of wood paneling on every vehicle.
You're not worried about space wood worms? That's pretty wizard, Benny.
So the Wookies?
There's a fun tidbit in one of the X-Wing novels that because early production runs of A-Wings were essentially craft-produced in underground factories and small shops, they could end up with unusual features like wood panelling in the cockpit.
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This is a thought I had for a while now, but most of our heroes in Star Wars are basically living out of their car.
I agree, Disney really dropped the ball with ship designs in the sequels. In the prequels, the ships and vehicles looked similar, but not quite the same as those in the OT, so you could look at them and say "ok, the Arc fighter's kind of clunky, but I can see how it evolved into the X-wing." It was fun and creative. With the sequels, Disney just used practically the exact same designs with a tiny tweak here and there, that more casual viewers would probably miss altogether. It's just pure laziness.
Yeah, we need like a new wheel, just ask Elon Musk, I'm sure wheels are stupid and he won't be including them in his next design because they have been used by legacy companies for so long.
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Disney choose to not modify the ships bc it wanted to cash on the fans nostalgies,who will see xwings and tie fight once more and transfer the love to the new movies.But it failed.
@@georgecristiancripcia4819 Only old people who don't spend money watch Star Wars for nostalgia, most people watch it for stories about gender issues.
Same. When I first saw the new x-wing, I was supremely disappointed. In fact, I hated it. Cutting the engines in half just drew my attention to how the originals looked like turbines and turbines can't spin if you cut them in half. Then there's the wings. To make them thinner in flight mode, they turned them into toothpicks in attack mode. Why? Any advantage you might have gotten in flight mode is lost the moment they become puzzle pieces in attack mode (which is when you'd really need it). The whole thing looks like they took something robust and made it needlessly flimsy for the sake of appearance, just like they do with laptops.
I present to you the Apple- Wing! In our pursuit of form over function, we've striped out anything modular or convenient and fused all the parts into a single brick so that you'll have to buy a whole new fighter if anything breaks. But look how sleek it is!
@@thieupham493 i haven't seen anyone go out of their way to that obtuse. Good job.
The onyx cinder without the outer armor looks like a u wing crossed with mauls scimitar imo. It’s a sleek design with the bulky aspects in the engines and aft end. I like it
The onyx cinder is just really well designed
Bit daft the New Republic didn't take more advantage of the Empires military technology development, ie flying TIE fighters around would be a bad visual but incorporating and upscaling the twin ion engine design into New Republic fighters would just make sense, look at the Allies post WW2 we took anything not nailed down (including scientists and engineers) developed by the Axis Powers and studied the hell out of it
There's one major difference between the starfighter designs in the galaxy far far away and the fighter aircraft of our world. The first controllable powered airplanes were developed at the beginning of the 20th century. The aeroplane was just moving beyond it's toddlerhood when the Supermarine Spitfire made its first flight, and it was obsolete as an air superiority fighter shortly after World War II ended. So the 56 years between the Spitfire's first flight and the first flight of the Eurofighter Typhoon saw a huge amount of airplane development.
The fictional Star Wars galaxy has seen starfighters evolve for countless centuries, possibly millennia. Starfighter technology may continue to advance, but starfighter technology is mature and will advance much more slowly than it was during our 20th century. My understanding is that the greatest advance from the T-65 and T-70 was that the New Republic actually had the resources to build their new X-Wing the way it should have been built, and the T-85, was a refinement on that using about 40 years of advancement on the T-70s design. I confess, I would have been happier if the designs for the sequel trilogy were as different from the OT as the prequel's ships were from the OT but I'm not surprised that the difference between the ships of the Clone Wars and the ships of the Sequel trilogy isn't as great as the fighters used in the Vietnam War and the current production fighters. Mature technology advances slowly.
The caveat here is that the fighter from the Prequel era were only in service for like four years, and even then all but the modded Y-wing were not featured heavily in The Alliance. I suspect that a lot of V-Wings and modified ARC-170s, V-19s, and Z-95s were in use by the rebellion _somewhere_ but just never featured in any on-screen action from the rebellion era. Like maybe the A-Wing and X-Wing were their top-tier starfighters, and it makes sense that the best pilots in the elite squads would have them, but not even the pre-Alliance rebels around the Ghost crew were using Clone Wars era starfighters (with the exception of the Y-Wing).
Something with Star Wars that has bothered me is the innovation shown in Starships and starfighters design - for supposedly a galactic civilization that has been technology stagnant for 10,000-20,000 years if not more. You'd think they would have iron-ed out solid designs a long time ago and there would be no room for novel ideas.
Yeah. I feel that if a new star fighter does show up, it’s gonna do long range missiles akin to our modern jets. The death of the Dogfight era in a way, yet somewhat still around due to it being space. Just something fully new that actually shakes things up.
Million species, millions of worlds, million of usages and everyone is either finetuning or reinventing the wheel.
I would expect starfighter evolution to slow down in times of peace, and the Old Republic has been at peace for a very long time. Like the dodo, flawed ideas can survive a long time when they are uncontested and it's not worth the cost of fixing them.
The most sensible ship design in sci-fi is probably the Eagle in space 1999 a control and propulsion system with snap in modules for different uses.
Hey Alan, the delta shape and super firing weapon arcs are extremely efficient for a line breaker ship. The issue isn’t the general shape which is a good design, it’s the size and the location of the shield arrays and the CIC.
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I should point out that the f-15 was developed in the 1970s and is still in service albeit with incremental updates but if you showed an average person the first one from the 70s to one being flown now, they would be hard pressed to find the difference. We are approaching 50 years.
I'd like to point out that the F-15 is no longer a cutting edge fighter. Yes, they are still in service, but we also have newer fighter designs in use, like the F-22 and F-35 that look quite different.
@henryfleischer404 it doesn't need to be cutting edge to be a useful tool of the military. It is a chef's knife. It does the bulk of the work but there will always be need for more specialized knives (paring, bread, cleaver,etc). The chef's knife has only seen incremental updates over the last few centuries. No need to revolutionize what gets the job done.
@@joshuaszeto My point is that there are both in service at once, but I didn't see something like that in the new Star Wars movies.
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In the lore, the good ship designs end up being used for centuries with only small incremental upgrades until there's something new that shifts the paradigm. The x wing and tie fighters design is still solid with their upgrades their even better and do the lob, until a paradigm shifting technology/design emerges, then they will replace them.
Your comparing earth technological evolution to the technological evolution of a galaxy that is FAR more developed than ours.
I think I would be correct in saying technology within the Star Wars galaxy has peaked for the most part. The curve of evolutions has leveled out.
Abundant resources and multi cultural trade has propelled the galaxy into a state of cultural amalgamation within tech. Little effort is given to innovation. Rather, priority is placed on what is most ‘efficient’.
MM right on 👍
F-15 is 52 years old, F-16 is 50 years old F-18 is 46 years old, B-52's are 72 years old.
9:07 "getting out of the tutorial zone" yes!
What I miss in most sci-fi is the open exploration that a personal spaceship should allow. Everybody always flies to a spaceport or an inhabited planet.
And what modern Star Wars is missing is the natural approach that pilots would have towards their assigned or personal spaceships: personalisation, modding, innovation.
The shape a look of the ships changing very little over a long period of time is something you see in real life with real aircraft. the F-15 of the 1970's is almost identical to the newest variant of F-15s coming out today.
It's also something seen in Star Wars, as well. Notably, the Aurek-class fighter, which served for thousands of years during the Old Republic era.
Yeah but in real life we see that because aerodynamics just lead us towards an ideal build. In Star Wars that's not the case.
The biggest issue I think is that there are no "era defining" ships in the sequel trilogy. In the prequels we had the N-1 naboo starfighter, the ARC-170 or the V-19 Torrent as well as any droid fighter. The OT had the X-wing, Y-wing and Tie variants. Saying any one of these would immediately place the conversation in an era, a specific time in-universe. The sequels have well pretty much just another X-wing, another Y-wing, more star destroyers etc. This can even go for the character and armour designs. Prequels - clones and droids. OT - Stormtroopers and rebels in full almost modern looking combat gear. Sequels - more Stormtroopers and less combat-capable looking rebels.
I had really hoped to have seen an evolution of starships for both factions in the sequels too.
The First Order emulating the Empire makes sense but keeping the X-wing around they lost the chance of introducing a new starfighter.
Those clunky MG-100 Starfortresses were new to the franchise (even though they were outdated in universe). But, of course we all wanted to see the evolution of the starfighters. Like we saw the pre-X-Wing in the ARC-170 and the pre-TIE in the Eta Actis Class in the prequels…
@@jeffreycarman2185It'd be perfectly reasonable to build a bomber that _isn't_ some slow-moving abomination too. Imagine the Star Wars equivalent of a B-1B Lancer or Tu-160 Blackjack. They're still large, multi-crew craft, but they're absurdly fast for their size, and the Bone in particular was built for low-level near-supersonic nuclear attack. I could see the Star Wars version being built around throwing massive anti-ship missiles that are easily the size of an X-wing's engine at absurd speeds, using the bomber's own terrifying speed to give the missiles one hell of an initial boost, reducing the time the missiles need to run their own engines, allowing for even crazier acceleration, and by extention reducing the chance of interception. Since the bomber itself is moving obscenely fast and the rear is almost entirely made of engines and their support systems, cannon-based defensive firepower wouldn't be as viable, so I could see them packing a small battery of anti-fighter missiles in a compact VLS array to effectively toss over the bomber's shoulder as it goes screaming past to deter pursuit.
i can see where your coming from BUT a aircraft doesn't have to look different to be a variant of the original aircraft, the t series x-wings may look generally the same but that's how the first was designed the only differences may only be tech upgrades as well as paint jobs but the designers of the t series wanted to stay true to the original design, just like the F-35 a, b, and c, they look the same but they have tech upgrades with the c variant having VTOL capabilities while a and b don't.
Thank you for making this video. It has been one of my major issues with newer star wars, not exploring new designs. In the original six films, we had brand new vehicle designs in every single movie.
My friends and I in high school before we had cars, as sophomores we had Honda elite 80 scooters. But that year we got to jump on everyone, we were like VIP’s at lunch because, we had an open campus and you could take one person with you.
This has been the reality for Disney canon. I know arguments could be made that the K-Wing and E-Wing in legends were just continued designs off the X-Wing, but Legends had so many advancements and concepts thrown to the public. In the Legacy comics, the Republic's flagship starfighter looks more like a Cloakshape fighter, and the Fel Empire's TIEs were more like those paper scuds we'd shoot at each other with rubberbands in school.
As efficiency became more and more important to car design, aerodynamics have forced designers to try and not screw up the aero when designing. Kind of like >most< airplanes (flying wings being the big exception) have the same basic shape. When you have to hit or exceed fuel / battery economy targets, the wind tunnel and computational fluid dynamics, well, rule the roost.
Darned if they do darned if they don’t. There are periods of stagnation in design where 50 years won’t see much of a change in design. In other instances through history we see huge leaps in design in shorter periods of tech booms. Anyway you look at it you’d have half the fans mad that things are being changed and that’s not star wars and the other half mad if things are being rehashed. I see both sides but let’s be honest, while the culture war grift continues there’s no way they could please everyone.
Between the Wright brothers first taking flight and the F-4 phantom going Mach was about 55 years.
Between the first flight of the F-16 and, well, the modern day F-16s is roughly 50 years too
There is no right answer, from an in-universe perspective. But, because the story of the sequel trilogy was extremely derivative of the OT, having the technology also be derivative is just insult to injury.
@@jeffreycarman2185 There is a right answer.
Don't copy paste the previous movies for nostalgia.
be creative.
Generation Tech is one of THE only Star Wars channels I still follow along with Geetsly and Ekharts. You guys actually cover Star Wars instead of bashing the shows or "Disney Star Wars" and being more of a couch critic.
Shoutout to eck lol ❤
honestly yeah. the community here and on geetsly and ecks is the only reason i still care about star wars. the rest of th fandom is getting more toxic and cynical by the day, and disney is still struggling to find its footing. thought, there has been real bangers, and good things even in the worst
@SomeGirlNextDoor1993 You should try Krypton to Alderaan
Agreed. Generation Tech is the best of those three channels though, in my opinion.
With the state of the franchise can you really blame them?
What you also have to take into account is that the Star Wars galaxy has gone through more that one dark age and tend to aim their tech towards broad stability and compatibility. Which is why some ancient dreadnought can be of rough parity with a modern capital ship.
Military equipment may actually evolve slower for Galaxy Wide empires, because the more equipment you have- the more you will want to make new technology compatible with old technology.
Take the tie fighter for example. They're docked into their hangers in vertical rows, and if they wanted to make a new star fighter they would have to replace that docking mechanism on every hanger for every star destroyer in the entire empire.
So its easier just to make the new fighters compatible with old equipment than to make the old equipment compatible with new fighters.
The F-15, F-16, and M-1 are all 50 year old designs, Just saying
It's star wars there lines of ships gets phased out in less than 20 years (prequels spacecraft to OT spacecraft) and even more; Tie fighters are switched to Interceptors in a span of couple of years, and B-Wings with A-wings are also featured for the first time in less than 7 years.
Right. You can only add to perfection.
Alan would say they are all stupid because they use wings to fly and still shoot missiles which is lame. What people like him don't understand is the plateau design and technology hits and it may take centuries or more before someone has a breakthrough that accelerates new design. Stupid humans are still using round wheels, Alan would use triangle wheels for the cool factor.
I almost want to compare the X-wing with the Mig-21 or F-5; rough, reliable, and able to maintain in less-than-ideal circumstances. 65 years in, and still in use by smaller militaries and paramilitary groups the world over. (Closer to the F-4 or Mig-23 as a larger fighter type, but my point still stands (You've seen Iran still running their fleet in the air on the funky Cuban car voodoo for the past 40 years)).
Do still wish to see more E-wing action with the New Republic, but the X-wing for the Resistance just makes too much sense for me.
Y-wing though... Why, oh why is the Y-wing still Y-ing it? It's like seeing the DPRK still using the Il-28.
And the design crew overlooking the Clawcraft to the TIE/LN for the First order should have been a crime!
Yeah, because there's the little thing called 'air resistance' that tends to get in the way of radical innovation.
Basically the design teams at Lucas Film were told that the Aesthetic peaked at the OT and to not deviate from those Silhouettes. Creating a sense of stagnation on a gut level to the whole setting, not helped by the frequent rehashing of older plotlines with minor tweaks (something Legends has been Guilty of as well, but usually still within the rough time span of the OT at least.)
The New Republic/Resistance and the First Order needed their own visual Identity separate from their predecessors, but the people making the decisions don't set trends anymore, they chase them.
This does seem to be the take, as far as I’ve seen
The thing to keep in mind, when comparing to modern tech, is the fact that space fairing ships have been around for millennia. There really isn’t a whole lot more for manufacturers to do when upgrading older models. We’ve only had planes for about 100 years. We have plenty of reasons for modern crafts to be so different from their inception, but in the world of Star Wars, whole civilizations have come and gone since the inception of space travel. We just like to differentiate the eras of the franchise and that’s all this is.
This channel is slowly becoming one of My favorite places in the internet.
as a car enthusiast, I really hate it when I go all the way to third base with police officers
I always prefer the E-Wing and K-Wing from Legends when it comes to new republic starfighters. They have more advanced technology and are an upgrade to the X-Wing and Y-Wing while having a new and unique design.
Yes but the programs suffered in universes due to costs and things of that sort. So the new republic and galactic alliance stuck to xwings
@@Ringleader064 That is true, but it was an attempt at a genuine successor to the X-Wing even if the E-Wing didn't see as much wide spread use. I still like it better than the T70 or T85 X-Wing.
my compliments to you and the entire GT team, Alan! excellent insight and perspective w/ perfect examples in support. a master class in how and why details matter and the importance of respecting them.
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Look at the F-15A as it first flew in 1972. Now look at the F-15EX Eagle II which first flew in 2013. Externally, they look about the same despite being almost 50 years apart and being totally unique airframes. The rapid change in outer appearance will slow as technology advances and breakthroughs become less and less frequent.
Notably, the A and EX variants serve different roles. The F-15A was an air superiority fighter, meant to directly engage enemy aircraft, while the EX is a strike fighter that leans heavily into force interoperability, meant to be a bomb or missile truck to engage ground targets or serve as a mobile missile silo for the 22s and 35s further forward.
Hey Alan, I watch literally all of your video's. Have done for idk, a year or two. Firstly you are just a smart and likable guy. But more importantly to me, I just realized why I like your video's so much. Just knowing there is a guy out there that is even more obsessed with Star Wars than Me. lol... Keep up the great work my friend.
8:04 no money for developing new space ships . We just invented flight from ww2 to 1990 ... airplanes in 2040 will not look that much different.
Just look at the f16
I like your videos about the Star Wars technologies.. so well researched! The main pirate vessel in episode one of skeleton crew… it reminds me of an old mon calamari ship repurposed… maybe a film on pirate ships and possible origins? What would a Hutt ship be like? As ships reflect a race as well as a planet. I love the different ships glimpsed in skeleton crew.
Memberberries versus original thought
The point about starships reflecting the time they were made and their creator got me curious: What do you think future starfighters and warships in the Star Wars galaxy should look like, and what technology should they include considering the relatively slow advancement of technology in the Star Wars galaxy? I'm curious to know your opinion. The video was great Alan, thank you for making videos that ship nerds like me can thoroughly enjoy.
Most of the new Resistance designs don't necessarily look *bad* to me, but just not as good as the originals. The A-Wing, my favorite of the bunch, looks less smooth and less 'sportscar' in aesthetic as a result which makes my braid read it as less advanced. Perfect for a *predecessor* but doesn't work as well as a successor. The Ralph McQuarrie X-Wing concept is alright, but the blocky wings just feel like they came from a different design entirely-the whole thing was already done before (IMO better) in the EU with the Z-95.
The big problem for me I think is that narratively, the Resistance is using resources scraped up from the leftovers of the Rebel Alliance/New Republic. They shouldn't be using new designs. They should either be using old designs from the Original Trilogy, or something else entirely that's similarly appropriate. Give them Z-95s and Cloakshapes if you want them to look visually distinct, but the Resistances ships just come off as off-brand Rebel Alliance, which doesn't do them any wonders for making them memorable/distinctive.
My NA MX5 Speeder is a nimble speeder/fighter...excellent for the rebelion and fun as hell. Upgrading the external engines later this year (not joking). I have spoken. 👍
What I find most interesting about the X-wing, A-Wing, and Y-Wing upgraded models, is that we can clearly see the thought out design lineage and origin of these ships in the Clone Wars era ships, but these ships are drastically different. If the sequel trilogy wanted to recycle the ships from the OT, they should have just recycled them. This would have made sense because The Resistance was supposed to be even less well funded than The Alliance.
I really resonated with the "American love of things with motors" portion, I think you're absolutely right. Vehicles--both real and fictional--can evoke more nostalgia and character than a main protagonist or award-winning actor.
The only thing I found interesting is the Resistance Y-Wing primarily because the newer production models did allow you to make them appear closer to the Clone Wars Era models. Just not as heavily armored.
Your videos are so good, they help me when I'm doing worldbuilding, to know what I should concentrate on
You almost made me rethink my idea to make a updated U-wing. My idea would have the U-wing be a little longer, wider, and up gunned. Added an engineer as another crewmember. Then I realized....I am not a designer. Yeah my idea may not inspiring but I like it. This idea is what I would like to see in a galaxy far, far away. Keep up the good work. Did you every do a video about what original person would like to be in a galaxy far, far away? A person in every era?
You hit the nail on the head. George Lucas, after making American Grafitti, a film that revolved around cool cars, went and did a movie about magical space samurais, with cool ships. We all loved those ships. The bragging rights of owning one. The current management doesn't know about it. It shows.
So you're saying this is another way Star Trek is better than Star Wars. 😆
7:48 "Rafale" .. NOT "Rafael" (Israeli defense tech company)
Funny how the First order basically upgraded all their vehicles except the Tie fighter. Shields don't matter if the alliance still one tap tie fighters. Wished the tie silencer was atleast more of a heavy tie fighter variant similar to the arc 170.
That’s what really annoys me. The TIE design isn’t even that good! No matter how many variants they make, they always keep going back to the same terrible cockpit…
@@Spudtron98 Not to mention that the dagger shape of Interceptors was supposed to be a way to increase the area of the panels while also improving visibility. Why go back to the hexagonal panels?
@@Draxynnic And people love tie interceptors! They're so beloved that Thrawn glued a third arm on one of them!
Any schmuck can envision an upgrade that is just "we added a bunch more stuff to it"; a good design is as much about what you _leave out_ as what you add. The TIE's lack of hyperdrive/shields is what made them so cheap to make/maintain and therefore numerous (as well as explaining some movie circumstances such as the one-shotting and Obi-wan's "short range fighters" comment). So this change should, even assuming tech gains, have made FO TIEs more expensive and thus less numerous - even _moreso_ given the First Order is not a galaxy-spanning regime.
Of course, the First Order have cheatcodes or something, as the only logistics they appear to utilise is "Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V". I'm pretty sure Disney couldn't change the one-shot-kill trope (seems they didn't dare change anything in the Star Wars dynamic, hence faction and plot recycling); but like all the Sequel stuff it still had to be Bigger & Better - a desire to eat & own the cake that results in the onscreen equivalent of half-eaten, pocket-stuffed cake.
I love the fact that Alan is so clearly a gearhead irl and it’s creeping into these videos. It’s fun and it grounds these machines’ existence in the lore as pieces of engineering and industry.
I think you've made some good points that also point out how Star Wars is a victim of it's own iconic ships. I think a big reason we still see the X-wing and Tie fighter with almost no change is because they're such iconic ships to the series that any primary movie has to include them or else a very loud group of the fans will begin foaming at the mouth and nashing their teeth as they complain that Star Wars is being stripped of what it is.
The side series that are getting made seem to be doing an absolutely wonderful job at introducing new and unique ship designs that are operated by the protagonists of the series showing that the Star Wars universe is more than just X-wings and Tie Fighters.
I find it kinda funny that the Expanding Fronts mod for Galactic Battlegrounds helps distinguish between Rebel and Resistance aircraft (besides faction accent colours) is "Rebel = tan, Resistance = white". Also their B-Wings have an opposite alignment.
Man, they really got this right in the Prequel Era. The ARC-170 and Z-95 Headhunter are clearly precursors to the X-Wing, but still look unique.
The triangle shape of a Star Destroyer is pure function over form.
The triangle design allows all weapons on either side of the centerline to fire fully forward as well as to the sides, and centrally mounted weapons to fire to both sides as well as forward.
The only weakness of this design is that it virtually eliminates firing arcs to the rear. It's designed for pure offense, not defense.
I'm surprised that nobody has called you a fascist for saying good things about personal vehicle ownership. Keep up the good work.
I know you always try to be objective, but; you actually revealed your inner desires for the current disney era: not caring for all the Jedi stuff and wanting see more wider and broader topics and more importantly "creatively bankrupt designs" for the starships. Pretty much summed up the entirety of disney era with those amazing few exceptions(also you have to objectively look at the directors and their vision/philosophies for those noteworthy few). Keep up the awesome content, I do enjoy your deeper dives on all the broader topics within the context of the verse very much so.
In a not really deserved defense of the newer stuff, it would have been an insane risk to try to replace the iconic designs with how attached fans are to them. Most franchises can't dump everything but the name and expect fans to stick with it.
There is an easy hack there, which is to have most of the setting switch to a new type of fighter, but still have Poe use an X-Wing because "they don't make them like they used to". I think that's what happened with the E-Wing in legends.
@RorikH With how much grief people give for how high tech the Prequels were compared to the Originals? The hoops they have had to jump through to even try to justify an overly militarized government having worse military tech than the 'peaceful' power they usurped is bad enough already.
@@135forte What, you don't like every single design flaw in every piece of Imperial tech being explained as "Tarkin Bad"?
@@RorikH No, Tarkin bad but also a genius tactician in the Clone Wars to justify his rank.
Was he a genius? I thought he and Palpatine just bonded over their mutual love of scheming. (And of course he and Anakin bonded over their love of war crimes)
The Empire had plans in place to phase out the standard TIE and full fleet adopt the TIE Interceptor as standard issue. The First Order forms and...goes back to the standard TIE, but upgrade it abit?
so with the analogy of the new Y wing and the hypotheicaly reintroduced 5th gen honda civic not having insurance, does this imply i can get insurance on my original Y wing?
More like a PT-cruiser lol
E.C. Henry has forever changed the way I think about starwars vehicle design
In general I agree with your comments. Aesthetically I wish the sequel trilogy had taken more risks and brought us something new. That being said, I would like you to look at the profile of the F-15 and the F-22. The design of the F-22 is very much a "stealth" F-15. There are minor shape changes that maneuver the radar waves past or in the wrong direction. But the design is fundamentally the same.
Regarding the WWII Tech Progress: Jets even were already in testing, in fact, the first ever Jet to take flight was the german He 178 in 1939. The very year the second World War broke out. And in 1944 both Germany and Great Britain brought their own jets (Me 262 for germany, Gloster Meteor for Great Britain) into service. And there were many more worked on. Hell, germany introduced the first Jet Bomber with the Ar 234. And there were quite a lot of projects in the background. Now look at Star Wars... No massive leaps after the Empire/Rebellion except for a few capital ships.
For some of us a bicycle carried us out of the tutorial zone.
That is why I appreciate the introduction of the e-wing into cannon/shows
Bring back the RazorCrest!
This was really insightful, especially about the vehicles earning our affection through a connection to freedom and rights of passage.
binged half your videos while builiding lego starwars
2:52 What is that ship?
I’ve seen it before, but no idea. Maybe from The Old Republic?
It’s from Star Wars: Acolyte I don’t know it’s name though
One of the reason i hate the disney sequels is the ships.They tried to cash on the fans nostalgies who will see xwings,tie fighters and star destroyers fighting once more,instead of creating new ships for a new era.
All 6 of the original movies had unique ships and vehicles that you can identify with that movie.Even rebel one had unique ships and vehicles that made sense.
How the Sequels treated ships is shoddy too. Every time a new and interesting one shows up, they blow it up immediately or put it so far from the camera (or cut so quick) that you can't tell what it is. The moment where Rey and Finn run to the Quadjumper is a terrific symbol of the Sequels. Could the new thing be our salvation? No, blow it up. The garbage will do.
Only in the shows do they really let you see the ships.
Speaking of designs that are just throwbacks to the collective memory of old, great, designs, I noticed the helmet on your shelf. (Motorcycles are huge on this). What do you ride?
Pretty confident that the Y-wing in the sequels are a purpose built single seat fighter with better speed and maneuverability than the alliance or republic models. I honestly love every rendition of the Y-wing, feels like the perfect representation of what strike fighters are in real life
6:22 lmao like if Porsche brought back the tiger tank for aesthetic purposes
Im saying im glad this upload showed up in my feed. I havent been into Star Wars in ages, but that T8X Wing looks to cool to ignore. In fact, my Godzilla & Gundam figures looking kinda lonely lately. Where to pick up a t8x for myself? Hmmmmm?...
I feel like Alan would have fun reviewing ships and other stuff in Star Citizen
This is what I was thinking watching season 3 of Star Trek Picard. I've watched 40-years of starship evolution but with Picard, while I certainly appreciate it, we now see Starfleet designers feeling nostalgia for the Original Series movie era! I love the 2270s era Constitution refit but how is that a design that fits the mission over 125-years later?
I like the nose on the T-85. I would however go for a ring style thruster affixed just behind the droid port connected with the x pattern to remain an X-wing. I'd also suggest a weapons configuration with a firing pattern that the has the beast evasion options leading to being boxed in by the other guns.
I think you could look at Freespace and Freespace 2 for how a design can still be an "iconic ship" but also modernized-- nobody is mistaking a Hercules for a Hercules II, or a Valkyrie for a Perseus.
This stuff feels more like Disney wants to change the design just enough to exert their own trademark on them but don't want to get _too_ far from the original recognizable designs because they want that recognition from the fans.
Slapping on a new paintjob def ain't it! That said, the way the X-wings were upgraded throughout the EU (never calling it Legends) was really cool. Culminating in the NJO XJ-series, complete with the Jedi Shadowbombs & short-lived exhaust glow/trail. To say nothing of the shield enhancements to combat the Vong.
You know, thinking about how little Star Wars tech has progressed reminded me of another series I’m obsessed with, mobile suit gundam and how that has the exact opposite problem (especially with the OYW)
Every time I get in my car (not my first) i think about the concept of driving with every use of that third pedal.
HERE HERE! this criteque is spot on!
I've been saying this for literal years xD
this is why the popsicle, the crait speeder, and the freaking reverse snowmobile speeder are my favorite vehicles of this trilogy...
Calling any of the designs “lazy” is a huge insult to all the writers, concept artists, model builders, and other creatives. A lot of effort by a lot of hard working people goes into what we see on screen. This is a shout out to all of the crew through all phases of production, we appreciate what you do.
A right to an opinion exists. RUclips code!
4:53 These stupid things should have been K Wings.
Don’t worry Alan, a lot of us youngsters have passions for our cars and vehicles