Nice Catch Alan, this vid partly amplifies an exchange in the previous vid's comments that I was replying to, does a nice job addressing the issues raised. Notice I TOTALLY predicted the pirate droid turning out to be the Long John Silver of the Skeleton Crew😊, the writers really foreshadowed that, but the kids now have a killer droid that is both a threat to their lives, and needed to keep their starship operational, ooops🤔. No predictions on how that turns out, but what a wonderful piece of inter-episodic suspense! Nice writing, crew😂
I can’t be the only one who loves the look of the T-70 design. It gets too much hate for the lack of originality within the sequel trilogy as a whole. If they mixed in the newer x,a,y wing models with some new designs that would have been perfect!
The problem with the sequels and everything related to them is that they tried to rewrite a legacy , to takeover the place of something that was far greater far legendary and far far worthy , the original trilogy and the legends novels universe and it did a very very poor job too , it literally pissed on what Star Wars is and tried to do something completely unrelated and the new models simply the same thing , they seem to replace the originals like they are saying the old one was weak and useless , look at me I’m more powerful and capable and shiny , I’m better than the old one , but in a far far bad way in terms
@GenerationTech How would the T-70 fare against the TIE Dagger? The X-wing had better shields and targeting systems but the TIE Dagger was faster and had equal firepower. Saying that, the Dagger would have had much less of a price advantage than previous TIE fighters.
The T-70 is what I always imagined the Stealth X or XJ looked like, a true iteration on the T-65b rather than just a copy (like they were presented in the illustrations). The way Disney managed to match (and in my opinion surpass) the design of the iconic original X-Wing is remarkable. A couple corrections: the TIE/LN model *was* actually a space superiority fighter, I'd argue it was more specialized for that role than the T-65b (which was more of a jack-of-all-trades) was in fact. And the Ferrosphere paint is only on Poe's special T-70, Black One. Anyways, great to see someone giving the T-70 its due! It was one of the first things we saw from TFA and its genius design instantly reassured me that the film was in good hands (and sure enough TFA was fantastic). The T-70 is what I imagine when I re-read stories like New Jedi Order or Legacy of the Force, it's a brilliant, unique, and effective successor to the X-Wing we all know and love💜 I can't wait to see what the T-95 will look like someday!
I think a better comparison would be say the Me 163 vs the F4U. One was entirely a short range fighter that if hit with any sort of bullet would explode and/or melt their pilots (literally) while the other was by its own right a decent, long range fighter that suffered from design flaws in the landing gear / canopy combo that was a threat to less experienced pilots crashing on a landing attempt
There's a reason the Corsair was nicknamed the "Ensign Eliminator". Though, it was also nicknamed "Hosenose" because of its long nose, and I've adapted that nickname to refer to the T-65 in Age of Rebellion games.
@ogiwan, yeah, then the Brits figured out how to land the Corsair on Carriers, and the 1st gen bugs were worked out, then the Corsair went on to (supposedly) have the best kill to loss ratio in the Pacific Theatre. But I do find the WW2 aircraft analogy apt. If you ignore the incredible range of the Zero, it IS a TIE fighter to the Corsair or Hellcat's X wing, at least in terms of durability. Zero's were always easily one-shotted, if you could catch the nimble little acrobats, even by non-explosive .50 cal bullets, but the new gen US planes introduced in '42 could survive a pretty serious raking, even by the Zero's explosive, 20 mm cannon shells.
The rear gun are the t-70 x-wing is very useful and as mentioned in the video they can be operated by astromechs something the galactic republic could have done with the arc-170. I think i mentioned that before.
The T-70 is one of the best things to come from the sequel trilogy. It looks phenomenal and moves beautifully. Every time it was in screen it had impact
All of my feelings on the various starfighters comes from the old LucasArts X-wing/Tie Fighter flight sim games. I would put the X-wing on par with the Tie Advanced (Darth Vader's ship was a prototype for the Advanced). The Tie Fighter and Tie Interceptor are both good, but without shields and a hyperdrive those two fighters are just cheap pop cans with guns.
I love the progression from T-65 to the T-70. Slim, modern, and retaining the iconic look. The T-65 is iconic but its replacement is another grandslam by Incom. We only get a quick look, but I dont think the T-85 quite gets tot the same level the two predecessors do
cant tell how much i just love the t70 design why replace something that work seeing the t70 fly low onver the water in episode 7 and the theme playing over it is just awesome and my favorite scene in the movie
The best starfighters are droid starfighters. They're far cheaper, lighter, they don't need life support and inertia compensator's, and they can turn on a dime and not get squash inside their cockpits because they don't have cockpits. Because of their cockpitliess design, they also can have higher deceleration and acceleration speeds. The only downside is that certain organics are more creative and intelligent, they had better aim, and they could fly more complexly. But being able to have a turn rate 100x over a manned strafighter minutes the advantage of having organic pilots. Droid starfighters are far better at swarm tactics because you can hook them up to hive mind network so each one knows what the other is doing, and they know where they need to be to stay in formation. My personal pick for best droid starfighter would be the tri-fighter, it's the size of a large truck at 17.5 ft long, and being 11ft 4 in tall and wide ; it has 3 light laser canons and 1 heavy laser canon,, it also has two ordinance launchers that can fire dicird missiles that release buzz droids; It's highly manuverable being able to reach up to 3,600 Gs. It has a mega light rating of 125, and in the atmosphere, it could travel at 733.22 mph (also, for some reason, on wookipedia, it says it can get up to 22,990.73 mph which is ridiculous); you can get all of this for $40,000 credits, which means that for the price of an ARC-170 you could get 4.5 trifighters; although lacking shields it was heavily armored meaning it was surprisingly tanky for it's size; they also had more advanced predatory droid brains. All of this meant the tri fighter was literally the GOAT, no wonder the ARC-170s got bent over by them during the battle of coruscant.
Yea I can agree with you, but the ARC-170 absolutely slaps as a CAS airframe, was never meant to be a superiority fighter. Thing has guns meant to kill bunkers and capital ships, thing was meant for deep strikes, not dogfighting in contested space/airspace. Shame the republic used them so wrong at first
I often hear you talk about the "underground factories" the rebellion used to build and maintain their various fighters, but I wonder if a more efficient and safe route would be to use stolen Confederate LuchreHulk freighters for this purpose. Think about it, the layout would be perfect, you have two hangar bay doors very close to and facing each other on the split ends of the outer ring assembly. One door could be used to accept parts and raw materials into, the assembly line factory floor could be built along the perimeter of the ring, and finished fighters could be spit out through the opposite bay door. The LuchreHulk had a hyperdrive, so it could constantly be moving instead of being on a planet vulnerable to raids, and it could meet up at supply points virtually anywhere, including at battle sites to receive newly acquired materials, and then just jump out again. I don't think I've ever heard of one being used like this, and if they weren't, it was a huge missed opportunity.
Good idea, REALLY hard to pull off. You would have to continually update it's location to whoever is dropping off new engines, seats, paint, etc... Even if all manufacturing is there, you still need raw materials. The Empire could cripple you without destroying it, just keep it moving faster than the supply chain. A static location with equipment designed to be "easily" transported would be easier to keep secret since once suppliers know where to go, that's it. They don't talk, or get followed then the secret remains. If you can't keep a good logistics train things get really hard, really fast. Learned that one many times sitting on the ground with a useless aircraft because parts are "On the way". Though, a setup like on the Battlestar Pegasus, where everything from mining to functional check flights can be done by one ship with minimal assistance from a small fleet would be a great asset. Go to a "safe" area, get materials, and manufacture fighters en-route to a fleet rendezvous and refill their squadrons before heading back to safe space COULD be a good thing. But still a lot of headaches.
Excellent work. Thoughts on T-70 vs E-Wing? Also, asking for an analysis of TIE Bomber, comparing and contrasting vs the Y-Wing. Cockpit nerds will eat this up!
I would love to see a movie about the Imperial takeover of Incom, and the transfer of prototype, tooling, designs, and personnel from Incom to the Rebellion.
If the TIE could even Compete with the X-wing makes it the perfect fighter. If you can save 1.6x the cost in procurement and almost 2x in maintenance, while keeping it easy to mass produce, makes it the actual Military Industry fighter. If 2 equally sized navies were to field both systems, the TIE would probably win the overall Space Micro Superiority War.
The tie fighter vs x wing is like the me262 vs the p51d one is a perfect mass producible design that does its job very well ware as the other could be amazing and outmatch the other, but struggles through overly complex design and material shortages
@GenerationTech How would the T-70 fare against the TIE Dagger? The X-wing had better shields and targeting systems but the TIE Dagger was faster and had equal firepower. Saying that, the Dagger would have had much less of a price advantage than previous TIE fighters.
IMO the X-Wing was never the Alliance equivalent of the TIE LN. That would have been the A-Wing which still out-classed it in nearly every way possible. The X-Wing was a generalist. It could do some of the work of a bomber, act as a fighter or even as a long range scout. However its speed and manoeuvrability is not as good as that of the TIE LN or any other member of the TIE range other than the TIE Bomber and Gunboat. If any of the TIE range was equivalent to the X-Wing that would have been the TIE Advanced x2 which had shields, 4 lasers and the capability to launch missiles and a hyperdrive. Sure, it may have not gone into mainstream production because of the unit cost, but that just shows how little the Empire valued its pilots.
LN acted as standard starfighter for the Empire like X-Wing. TIE-Interceptor are pretty much the answer to all the Rebel starfighter through. Fast, heavily armed, highly maneuverable and cheap enough to replace LN. There is no Rebel Starfighter could outfight TIE-Interceptor.
The only thing worth keeping from the Kennedy Offshoot, Just need to have Luke snag one with R2 and vanish into the World between Worlds with one and reformat the Kennedy-verse
As befits a video about the tie fighter I am watching it on the smallest screen possible in a dangerous area with no idea what is behind me. I can forsee no problems with this plan.
The X-wing in itself was a fantastic fighter capable of both space battle and atmospheric dogfights the only thing to improve on was a sleeker design. To me the T-65 is the F-22 and you get the F-35 with the T-70. If you use the P38/80 (went into production 1945) compared to the F22/35 (went into production 1996) as the gap is 45 years and for the OT to the ST its 30s so yes it technically should be a drastically different design but the ship blew up the Death Star you can't get better than that.
I’ve always looked at it as the T-70 (the Poe X) is not so much a direct upgrade of the T-65 (The Wedge/Luke X) as it a merging of the T-65 with the Z-95 head hunter PX DOES has the benefit of miniaturized tech to create an more nimble equivalent of T-65 on a lighter frame, But i think the reason most old timer prefer the T-65 with an R series droid is both craft and droid are more rugged with raw power than a T-70/BB. I think the old timers have more experience in being stuck in a Dagobah situation and appreciate the extra hardware a both a T-65 and R series can pack in and their own ingenuity to improvise a system to load and unload those droids who DON’T have the should rocket upgrade
Same I prefer the T-70 and the A wing from the resistance. The other rebel ships look fine as is. With First Order their aesthetic is just sleeker but more or less the ships are just as good as the empires.
Bruh! 1) The T65 was passed on by the Empire due to political maneuvering by Senar Systems 2) The TiE fighter remained a stripped down I.E. without shields and a Hyperdrive due to the growing rebellion 3) If you've read the limited comic series Darklighter, you would have learned HOW the rebellion acquired the starlight and Encom's entire stock of the x-wing fighter. Please stick to the original cannon source materials.
I always said that Incom selling the X-Wing to the rebels after getting denied by the Empire is like if Northrop Grumman started selling the YF-23 Black Widow II to the Taliban after losing to the F-22.
@ 10:05 wait.....aren’t retro thrust & thrust vectoring a basic requirement for every single star fighter? Or was the "etheric rudder" a literal description of hand-waving-space-magic physics? Also i just dont understand how a 4000 year old corporation can innovate technology so fast.
I am not so sure the T-65 has nothing much in the way of thrust vectoring and retroes. Cross-sections have implied the engine nozzles are variable, and may have some panels and louvres as a result, that just may deflect thrust sliightly. And the engine housings might be - perhaps - interpretable as having thrust reversal properties. Often they are shown as semi-closed, however.
@Neervaanistan F14: big fast long range, larger missiles, plenty of gun rounds, crazy ass radar. F16: small fast crazy maneuverability, short range mainly for close in knife fighting.just like the X-wing vs. Tie fighters.
@@duanemcdaniel9642 The F16 is not a short range fighter,it was built as a light multirole fighter made to carry a wide range of Air to Ground ordnance and medium to long range missiles, it was not designed for close range combat. The MiG-21 however was a cheap to produce short range interceptor solely designed to engage aircraft in high speed boom and zoom tactics in numbers, which is the way the Empire preferred to use the TIE fighter/interceptor.
@Neervaanistan good points, I looked up the range of an F16 around 500-600mi clean while the F14 is about 3 times that. I would still consider it a short to mid range fighter, tho. But with the newer block versions it's actually more of a powerhouse than the F14. Would have loved to see what the F14 would/could have been. Heard some pretty interesting stuff.
A hero (ship) is defined by the quality of their enemies. If the T.I.E. fighter wasn’t as good as it was, the X-Wing wouldn't have risen to legendary status...
Yeah, no. If it had been set at most a decade after RotJ, then sure. But it's three-plus decades later, and they look virtually identical. That's lazy. That's bad. And it's one of the many reasons why the Sequel Trilogy does not have its own visual language the way the Prequel Trilogy does, which severely hurts it.
An almost scary level of authoritative-sounding apologia Every successive generation of writers, directors and designers wants to put their own spin on the franchise, not to mention fans and their theories. If you consider how far Lucas himself changed the narrative from A New Hope, making it up as he went, it seems such a rich and verdant universe. It still doesn't excuse the Abrams /Disney abominations that should not be considered canon. While this is fun, I'm not sure THIS is warranted either if the attempt is to make a singular definitive narrative. It robs future nerds of their need to play in its waters.
This video triggered me. The engines of Poe's X wing was my least favorite thing in Last Jedi. How exactly do turbines work in a 'half moon configuration'? And if they're not turbines, why indicate that they are?
I’m sorry but can we designate another ship as the C.I.S. Official Space Superiority fighter? What about the Cutlass-9? They were donated in large groups to the Separatists and were smaller and had greater weapon options than the Novasword.
How the heck is the intake supposed to work when they chopped the intake fans in half? That makes no sense. It's the only issue I have with the design.
They could make the new rp have some last minute spending and military scheme t right before sequels and then they ain’t ready to react to star killer but can fiaght against first order reminands that exist after seuals
I want to like the T-70 but I am just unable to get behind the split intake for the engines. I know it is a call back to the original concept art but oh, if they had just not put the appearance of having a compressor turbine right at the front of the engine nacelles... something that splits when the S-Foils, it is the appearance of having that compressor turbine that just is bordering on infuriating when looking at it. Why make something look like turbine blades if they are not turbine blades? The T-80 intake design, if it was applied to the T-70 frame would have created the perfect evolution of the fighter's design.
Like so many things in Star Wars (and it just keeps getting worse as the property ages) The X-Wing and TIE Fighter look super cool, and we're told they're great, but they're actually terribly impractical designs. Each has flaws, but the X-Wing is the worst of the pair with features that would make the craft hopelessly unreliable, and even dangerous to fly, and a configuration which gets in the way of its intended purpose as a superiority fighter. The T-70 does not address any of it's problems, it just looks slightly different. Many of the X-Wing's issues come from the very feature that make the X-Wing, the X-Wing. There's a lot of fanboy justification for what S-Foils are supposed to be for. I'll tell you this, they aren't wings. They are not aerofoils, but flat chunky planks of metal that do nothing for the ship in atmosphere but add weight. If they were aerofoils they wouldn't be able to seamlessly close like that, and their function would be impeded in that closed "Flight" position. These silly planks don't help the ship fly they just make it bigger, but it gets worse. It seems like Incom thought their S-foil design was so cool, they just had to have everything that was important for a fighter of this kind on the wings. You touched on the stresses the delicate S-Foils are put under in flight, but that's an understatement. The crafts engines are directly acting on the actuator which holds the S-Foils on. Lots of planes have their engines mounted in the wings, but those wings are cantilever mounted in a fixed position. If you tried Skywalker's shot-gun manoeuvre without space wizard powers, the wings would just sheer clean off. Then we get into armament. The X-Wing has four main guns mounted, once again on the tips of the bantha-humping wings, as far away from the pilot as Incom could place them, with enough space in between for entire fighters to hide. Also, when the S-Foils are in "Attack" position there's now vertical distance from the pilot, so you have to do trigonometry to figure out if you can even hit anything with your next shot. Fanboys and the silly books they write claim these guns are gimbaled, but that's just one more delicate and complex part to break down. The proton torpedo magazine is right under the pilot's butt. Finally we have a component that would make sense to suspend out away from the craft in order to protect the pilot and where does Incom put them? And if the torpedo launchers are there, it speaks volumes on how much shielding that mag could possibly have in that narrow fuselage. Oh and the canape folds flush with the fuselage for no reason. The pilot has very little visibility in front or behind. The TIE is worse for visibility, but you're still blind in an X-Wing. The TIE has it's own problems. Tunnel vision cockpit, goofy Solar panels that can't possibly be collecting enough energy to make a meaningful dent in the energy needs of a ship like this, the huge profile they have on a fighter that is meant to present a small target, inability to land anywhere but on a specialized carrier, but overall I'd rather have the TIE. At least you can shoot straight and see well enough in front of you for a dog-fight, and you're not sitting on bombs! Still, I'd really prefer a Starfury, or a Colonial Viper over either of these ships.
How do real exo planets compare to the Star wars galaxy? Back late 70s early 80s planets like Yavin Basin and Endor would be called impossible by mainstream science. Lot old not hard science fiction turned out to be More accurate then mainstream at the time
Sorry, but I’m only able to acquire used parts & I’m forced to assemble my own Ugly Starfighter. And you’ll know its an Ugly because it looks so disgusting that you’ll wanna bring a barf bag with you & such…
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Nice Catch Alan, this vid partly amplifies an exchange in the previous vid's comments that I was replying to, does a nice job addressing the issues raised. Notice I TOTALLY predicted the pirate droid turning out to be the Long John Silver of the Skeleton Crew😊, the writers really foreshadowed that, but the kids now have a killer droid that is both a threat to their lives, and needed to keep their starship operational, ooops🤔. No predictions on how that turns out, but what a wonderful piece of inter-episodic suspense! Nice writing, crew😂
The T-70 is bar none, no contest my favorite vehicle of all time, i'm completely obsessed with them. Thank you so very much for this video.
I can’t be the only one who loves the look of the T-70 design. It gets too much hate for the lack of originality within the sequel trilogy as a whole. If they mixed in the newer x,a,y wing models with some new designs that would have been perfect!
The problem with the sequels and everything related to them is that they tried to rewrite a legacy , to takeover the place of something that was far greater far legendary and far far worthy , the original trilogy and the legends novels universe and it did a very very poor job too , it literally pissed on what Star Wars is and tried to do something completely unrelated and the new models simply the same thing , they seem to replace the originals like they are saying the old one was weak and useless , look at me I’m more powerful and capable and shiny , I’m better than the old one , but in a far far bad way in terms
I don't too many people thought it wasn't a good looking ship.
@GenerationTech How would the T-70 fare against the TIE Dagger? The X-wing had better shields and targeting systems but the TIE Dagger was faster and had equal firepower. Saying that, the Dagger would have had much less of a price advantage than previous TIE fighters.
The one thing I don’t like is the wing design. It’s like each of the four is a half wing. But the sleeker split engines is cool.
I love the T-70. The B-Wing still holds a special space in my heart, but the T-70 is very close.
I had the 65 as a kid in 1979 its legendary
The T-70 is what I always imagined the Stealth X or XJ looked like, a true iteration on the T-65b rather than just a copy (like they were presented in the illustrations). The way Disney managed to match (and in my opinion surpass) the design of the iconic original X-Wing is remarkable.
A couple corrections: the TIE/LN model *was* actually a space superiority fighter, I'd argue it was more specialized for that role than the T-65b (which was more of a jack-of-all-trades) was in fact. And the Ferrosphere paint is only on Poe's special T-70, Black One.
Anyways, great to see someone giving the T-70 its due! It was one of the first things we saw from TFA and its genius design instantly reassured me that the film was in good hands (and sure enough TFA was fantastic).
The T-70 is what I imagine when I re-read stories like New Jedi Order or Legacy of the Force, it's a brilliant, unique, and effective successor to the X-Wing we all know and love💜
I can't wait to see what the T-95 will look like someday!
We need a new Rogue Squadron game....
Yeah, and I frankly I think Disney was stupid to not go with a Wedge Antilles led Rogue Squadron film.
I'm actually annoyed that the Squadrons movie/series got cancelled as it definitely would have got more eyes on that part of Star Wars
@mikewaterfield3599 true
@mbphilipblack8993 here as well.
With improved graphics and physics
I think a better comparison would be say the Me 163 vs the F4U. One was entirely a short range fighter that if hit with any sort of bullet would explode and/or melt their pilots (literally) while the other was by its own right a decent, long range fighter that suffered from design flaws in the landing gear / canopy combo that was a threat to less experienced pilots crashing on a landing attempt
There's a reason the Corsair was nicknamed the "Ensign Eliminator".
Though, it was also nicknamed "Hosenose" because of its long nose, and I've adapted that nickname to refer to the T-65 in Age of Rebellion games.
@ogiwan, yeah, then the Brits figured out how to land the Corsair on Carriers, and the 1st gen bugs were worked out, then the Corsair went on to (supposedly) have the best kill to loss ratio in the Pacific Theatre. But I do find the WW2 aircraft analogy apt. If you ignore the incredible range of the Zero, it IS a TIE fighter to the Corsair or Hellcat's X wing, at least in terms of durability. Zero's were always easily one-shotted, if you could catch the nimble little acrobats, even by non-explosive .50 cal bullets, but the new gen US planes introduced in '42 could survive a pretty serious raking, even by the Zero's explosive, 20 mm cannon shells.
The rear gun are the t-70 x-wing is very useful and as mentioned in the video they can be operated by astromechs something the galactic republic could have done with the arc-170.
I think i mentioned that before.
Such a sound design no wonder the Rebelion kept them around via upgrade packages X-Wing is the starwars F-15.
The T-70 is one of the best things to come from the sequel trilogy. It looks phenomenal and moves beautifully. Every time it was in screen it had impact
The first time I saw that new X-Wing with the es foils closed, I thought it was a z-95 headhunter
@Generationtech Thank you Allen. I can always count on your videos to relax and make me happy.😊
Gotta love when a good fighter gets better
Really interesting video Alan, cheers buddy. May the force be with you.
I wish we see the T-70 in a New Republic era show. Or maybe in Filoni's movie, they'll give Thrawn a headache.
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I really like EC Henry's redesign of the T85
All of my feelings on the various starfighters comes from the old LucasArts X-wing/Tie Fighter flight sim games. I would put the X-wing on par with the Tie Advanced (Darth Vader's ship was a prototype for the Advanced). The Tie Fighter and Tie Interceptor are both good, but without shields and a hyperdrive those two fighters are just cheap pop cans with guns.
Props to Alan for recognizing that the R33 is such an underrated car
I love the progression from T-65 to the T-70. Slim, modern, and retaining the iconic look. The T-65 is iconic but its replacement is another grandslam by Incom. We only get a quick look, but I dont think the T-85 quite gets tot the same level the two predecessors do
cant tell how much i just love the t70 design why replace something that work seeing the t70 fly low onver the water in episode 7 and the theme playing over it is just awesome and my favorite scene in the movie
I think the T-65 is, and always will be my personal favorite, with an antiquated R 2 astromech droid.
The best starfighters are droid starfighters. They're far cheaper, lighter, they don't need life support and inertia compensator's, and they can turn on a dime and not get squash inside their cockpits because they don't have cockpits. Because of their cockpitliess design, they also can have higher deceleration and acceleration speeds.
The only downside is that certain organics are more creative and intelligent, they had better aim, and they could fly more complexly. But being able to have a turn rate 100x over a manned strafighter minutes the advantage of having organic pilots.
Droid starfighters are far better at swarm tactics because you can hook them up to hive mind network so each one knows what the other is doing, and they know where they need to be to stay in formation.
My personal pick for best droid starfighter would be the tri-fighter, it's the size of a large truck at 17.5 ft long, and being 11ft 4 in tall and wide ; it has 3 light laser canons and 1 heavy laser canon,, it also has two ordinance launchers that can fire dicird missiles that release buzz droids; It's highly manuverable being able to reach up to 3,600 Gs. It has a mega light rating of 125, and in the atmosphere, it could travel at 733.22 mph (also, for some reason, on wookipedia, it says it can get up to 22,990.73 mph which is ridiculous); you can get all of this for $40,000 credits, which means that for the price of an ARC-170 you could get 4.5 trifighters; although lacking shields it was heavily armored meaning it was surprisingly tanky for it's size; they also had more advanced predatory droid brains.
All of this meant the tri fighter was literally the GOAT, no wonder the ARC-170s got bent over by them during the battle of coruscant.
Yea I can agree with you, but the ARC-170 absolutely slaps as a CAS airframe, was never meant to be a superiority fighter. Thing has guns meant to kill bunkers and capital ships, thing was meant for deep strikes, not dogfighting in contested space/airspace. Shame the republic used them so wrong at first
I would take the blue T-70 X-WING.
I have a soft spot for the sequel trilogy vehicles, starfighters and starships, but heavily despise the Xyston class.
the uncut mic returns!
I love the builds videos the best
14:33 there are more then 3 Variants of the X-Wings BTW...
Great video. Thank you
Would love to see you do a piece on Wingman - an x wing story. I think it shows some good footage of starfighters.
I often hear you talk about the "underground factories" the rebellion used to build and maintain their various fighters, but I wonder if a more efficient and safe route would be to use stolen Confederate LuchreHulk freighters for this purpose. Think about it, the layout would be perfect, you have two hangar bay doors very close to and facing each other on the split ends of the outer ring assembly. One door could be used to accept parts and raw materials into, the assembly line factory floor could be built along the perimeter of the ring, and finished fighters could be spit out through the opposite bay door. The LuchreHulk had a hyperdrive, so it could constantly be moving instead of being on a planet vulnerable to raids, and it could meet up at supply points virtually anywhere, including at battle sites to receive newly acquired materials, and then just jump out again. I don't think I've ever heard of one being used like this, and if they weren't, it was a huge missed opportunity.
Good idea, REALLY hard to pull off. You would have to continually update it's location to whoever is dropping off new engines, seats, paint, etc... Even if all manufacturing is there, you still need raw materials. The Empire could cripple you without destroying it, just keep it moving faster than the supply chain. A static location with equipment designed to be "easily" transported would be easier to keep secret since once suppliers know where to go, that's it. They don't talk, or get followed then the secret remains. If you can't keep a good logistics train things get really hard, really fast. Learned that one many times sitting on the ground with a useless aircraft because parts are "On the way".
Though, a setup like on the Battlestar Pegasus, where everything from mining to functional check flights can be done by one ship with minimal assistance from a small fleet would be a great asset. Go to a "safe" area, get materials, and manufacture fighters en-route to a fleet rendezvous and refill their squadrons before heading back to safe space COULD be a good thing. But still a lot of headaches.
Excellent work. Thoughts on T-70 vs E-Wing?
Also, asking for an analysis of TIE Bomber, comparing and contrasting vs the Y-Wing. Cockpit nerds will eat this up!
The Tie fighter is a Snub fighter. It relies on a mothership to transport long distances.
Marshmallow. I like your new mic cover.
I would love to see a movie about the Imperial takeover of Incom, and the transfer of prototype, tooling, designs, and personnel from Incom to the Rebellion.
The EU philosophy kept the registry number around because there was no need change it. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. T-65 in all its iterations.
T-65 4 life!!!
If the TIE could even Compete with the X-wing makes it the perfect fighter.
If you can save 1.6x the cost in procurement and almost 2x in maintenance, while keeping it easy to mass produce, makes it the actual Military Industry fighter.
If 2 equally sized navies were to field both systems, the TIE would probably win the overall Space Micro Superiority War.
The tie fighter vs x wing is like the me262 vs the p51d one is a perfect mass producible design that does its job very well ware as the other could be amazing and outmatch the other, but struggles through overly complex design and material shortages
We should have gotten the E-Wing, with upgraded laser cannons and backwards compatibility for astromechs.
@GenerationTech How would the T-70 fare against the TIE Dagger? The X-wing had better shields and targeting systems but the TIE Dagger was faster and had equal firepower. Saying that, the Dagger would have had much less of a price advantage than previous TIE fighters.
Two world wars!
The .45 doesn't just kill, it also kills the soul.
IMO the X-Wing was never the Alliance equivalent of the TIE LN. That would have been the A-Wing which still out-classed it in nearly every way possible. The X-Wing was a generalist. It could do some of the work of a bomber, act as a fighter or even as a long range scout. However its speed and manoeuvrability is not as good as that of the TIE LN or any other member of the TIE range other than the TIE Bomber and Gunboat. If any of the TIE range was equivalent to the X-Wing that would have been the TIE Advanced x2 which had shields, 4 lasers and the capability to launch missiles and a hyperdrive. Sure, it may have not gone into mainstream production because of the unit cost, but that just shows how little the Empire valued its pilots.
LN acted as standard starfighter for the Empire like X-Wing.
TIE-Interceptor are pretty much the answer to all the Rebel starfighter through.
Fast, heavily armed, highly maneuverable and cheap enough to replace LN. There is no Rebel Starfighter could outfight TIE-Interceptor.
I wish Disney would make some non canon What If movies about the Empire winning the war and not the rebels
The only thing worth keeping from the Kennedy Offshoot, Just need to have Luke snag one with R2 and vanish into the World between Worlds with one and reformat the Kennedy-verse
As befits a video about the tie fighter I am watching it on the smallest screen possible in a dangerous area with no idea what is behind me. I can forsee no problems with this plan.
The X-wing in itself was a fantastic fighter capable of both space battle and atmospheric dogfights the only thing to improve on was a sleeker design. To me the T-65 is the F-22 and you get the F-35 with the T-70.
If you use the P38/80 (went into production 1945) compared to the F22/35 (went into production 1996) as the gap is 45 years and for the OT to the ST its 30s so yes it technically should be a drastically different design but the ship blew up the Death Star you can't get better than that.
Great video. Thank you for all the lore and and content.
I feel that squadron leaders should have the right to paint their fighters to signify their rank
Hey Alan, what’s your take on Skeleton Crew’s Onyx Cinder?
I’ve always looked at it as the T-70 (the Poe X) is not so much a direct upgrade of the T-65 (The Wedge/Luke X) as it a merging of the T-65 with the Z-95 head hunter
PX DOES has the benefit of miniaturized tech to create an more nimble equivalent of T-65 on a lighter frame, But i think the reason most old timer prefer the T-65 with an R series droid is both craft and droid are more rugged with raw power than a T-70/BB. I think the old timers have more experience in being stuck in a Dagobah situation and appreciate the extra hardware a both a T-65 and R series can pack in and their own ingenuity to improvise a system to load and unload those droids who DON’T have the should rocket upgrade
“Star FIghters”😆
The Walken was a surprise...think we need more
Hot take: I prefer the t-70. It looks sleeker than the t-65.
Same I prefer the T-70 and the A wing from the resistance. The other rebel ships look fine as is.
With First Order their aesthetic is just sleeker but more or less the ships are just as good as the empires.
Huh, I always assumed it was pronounced "Free-tech".
Bruh!
1) The T65 was passed on by the Empire due to political maneuvering by Senar Systems
2) The TiE fighter remained a stripped down I.E. without shields and a Hyperdrive due to the growing rebellion
3) If you've read the limited comic series Darklighter, you would have learned HOW the rebellion acquired the starlight and Encom's entire stock of the x-wing fighter. Please stick to the original cannon source materials.
Eh I liked the upgrade I did not like the split engine but that’s just aesthetic taste.
Quality Christopher Walken reference at the start of the video.
I always said that Incom selling the X-Wing to the rebels after getting denied by the Empire is like if Northrop Grumman started selling the YF-23 Black Widow II to the Taliban after losing to the F-22.
One of the only good things about the sequel trilogy.
Tie fighter is the glock of starwars fighters, but only as long as its engines are 9mm and not 40sw or 10mm as then a tie fighter might kaboom.
@ 10:05 wait.....aren’t retro thrust & thrust vectoring a basic requirement for every single star fighter?
Or was the "etheric rudder" a literal description of hand-waving-space-magic physics?
Also i just dont understand how a 4000 year old corporation can innovate technology so fast.
I am not so sure the T-65 has nothing much in the way of thrust vectoring and retroes.
Cross-sections have implied the engine nozzles are variable, and may have some panels and louvres as a result, that just may deflect thrust sliightly.
And the engine housings might be - perhaps - interpretable as having thrust reversal properties. Often they are shown as semi-closed, however.
Christopher Walken Foo FIGHTers reference ftw
jet turbines are complicated enough...
T65 to T70 is like going from a mk3 to mk4 supra or fox mustang to sn95. The old model is great but the replacement is mo better
Alright fine, I'll buy 5 X-Wings.
Comparing X-Wing to the Tie Fighter is like comparing an F14 TOMCAT to the F16 Viper.
Or the World War 2 US Navy Wildcat vs the Japanese Zero
MiG-21 to F14 is a much better comparison imo
@Neervaanistan F14: big fast long range, larger missiles, plenty of gun rounds, crazy ass radar. F16: small fast crazy maneuverability, short range mainly for close in knife fighting.just like the X-wing vs. Tie fighters.
@@duanemcdaniel9642 The F16 is not a short range fighter,it was built as a light multirole fighter made to carry a wide range of Air to Ground ordnance and medium to long range missiles, it was not designed for close range combat.
The MiG-21 however was a cheap to produce short range interceptor solely designed to engage aircraft in high speed boom and zoom tactics in numbers, which is the way the Empire preferred to use the TIE fighter/interceptor.
@Neervaanistan good points, I looked up the range of an F16 around 500-600mi clean while the F14 is about 3 times that. I would still consider it a short to mid range fighter, tho. But with the newer block versions it's actually more of a powerhouse than the F14. Would have loved to see what the F14 would/could have been. Heard some pretty interesting stuff.
A hero (ship) is defined by the quality of their enemies. If the T.I.E. fighter wasn’t as good as it was, the X-Wing wouldn't have risen to legendary status...
36 views in 2 minutes my guy rly fell off ( jk keep the vids coming)
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the standard TIE fighter was not an interceptor, that role was filled by the TIE/IN.
Yeah, no. If it had been set at most a decade after RotJ, then sure. But it's three-plus decades later, and they look virtually identical. That's lazy. That's bad. And it's one of the many reasons why the Sequel Trilogy does not have its own visual language the way the Prequel Trilogy does, which severely hurts it.
am i insane or is the L/R audio balance on the voiceover put to the left side
An almost scary level of authoritative-sounding apologia Every successive generation of writers, directors and designers wants to put their own spin on the franchise, not to mention fans and their theories. If you consider how far Lucas himself changed the narrative from A New Hope, making it up as he went, it seems such a rich and verdant universe. It still doesn't excuse the Abrams /Disney abominations that should not be considered canon. While this is fun, I'm not sure THIS is warranted either if the attempt is to make a singular definitive narrative. It robs future nerds of their need to play in its waters.
This video triggered me. The engines of Poe's X wing was my least favorite thing in Last Jedi. How exactly do turbines work in a 'half moon configuration'? And if they're not turbines, why indicate that they are?
Just how do those half-turbines work?
I’m sorry but can we designate another ship as the C.I.S. Official Space Superiority fighter? What about the Cutlass-9? They were donated in large groups to the Separatists and were smaller and had greater weapon options than the Novasword.
7 seconds ago is wild
How the heck is the intake supposed to work when they chopped the intake fans in half? That makes no sense. It's the only issue I have with the design.
Cup holders.
They could make the new rp have some last minute spending and military scheme t right before sequels and then they ain’t ready to react to star killer but can fiaght against first order reminands that exist after seuals
Alan what are your thoughts on the current china uncensored channel and do you still talk to Chris chappel
I believe that the tie fighter could have been better with better tactics by using the tactics from the Babylon five Star fury
Is it just me or at the start of the video does Alan look like he woke up 2 minutes before recording this video?
Lol.. Is the emphasis on the Star... or the Fighter?
So we can say the T-65 is like a Legacy F/A-18 Hornet and the newest model is like the F/A-18 F Super Hornet?
A what if..?
What if the Empire had gone with the X-Wing instead...
Which starfighter is the closest to the real-world F-35 Lightning jets??
I want to like the T-70 but I am just unable to get behind the split intake for the engines. I know it is a call back to the original concept art but oh, if they had just not put the appearance of having a compressor turbine right at the front of the engine nacelles... something that splits when the S-Foils, it is the appearance of having that compressor turbine that just is bordering on infuriating when looking at it. Why make something look like turbine blades if they are not turbine blades?
The T-80 intake design, if it was applied to the T-70 frame would have created the perfect evolution of the fighter's design.
i like the t-85. its nose makes me think of an f1 car.
So what's the Z-95? Why does it suck?
I can't lie I hate the semi circle engine inlets
Yes, this right here, thank you!!!!!
Like so many things in Star Wars (and it just keeps getting worse as the property ages) The X-Wing and TIE Fighter look super cool, and we're told they're great, but they're actually terribly impractical designs. Each has flaws, but the X-Wing is the worst of the pair with features that would make the craft hopelessly unreliable, and even dangerous to fly, and a configuration which gets in the way of its intended purpose as a superiority fighter. The T-70 does not address any of it's problems, it just looks slightly different.
Many of the X-Wing's issues come from the very feature that make the X-Wing, the X-Wing. There's a lot of fanboy justification for what S-Foils are supposed to be for. I'll tell you this, they aren't wings. They are not aerofoils, but flat chunky planks of metal that do nothing for the ship in atmosphere but add weight. If they were aerofoils they wouldn't be able to seamlessly close like that, and their function would be impeded in that closed "Flight" position. These silly planks don't help the ship fly they just make it bigger, but it gets worse.
It seems like Incom thought their S-foil design was so cool, they just had to have everything that was important for a fighter of this kind on the wings. You touched on the stresses the delicate S-Foils are put under in flight, but that's an understatement. The crafts engines are directly acting on the actuator which holds the S-Foils on. Lots of planes have their engines mounted in the wings, but those wings are cantilever mounted in a fixed position. If you tried Skywalker's shot-gun manoeuvre without space wizard powers, the wings would just sheer clean off.
Then we get into armament. The X-Wing has four main guns mounted, once again on the tips of the bantha-humping wings, as far away from the pilot as Incom could place them, with enough space in between for entire fighters to hide. Also, when the S-Foils are in "Attack" position there's now vertical distance from the pilot, so you have to do trigonometry to figure out if you can even hit anything with your next shot. Fanboys and the silly books they write claim these guns are gimbaled, but that's just one more delicate and complex part to break down.
The proton torpedo magazine is right under the pilot's butt. Finally we have a component that would make sense to suspend out away from the craft in order to protect the pilot and where does Incom put them? And if the torpedo launchers are there, it speaks volumes on how much shielding that mag could possibly have in that narrow fuselage. Oh and the canape folds flush with the fuselage for no reason. The pilot has very little visibility in front or behind. The TIE is worse for visibility, but you're still blind in an X-Wing.
The TIE has it's own problems. Tunnel vision cockpit, goofy Solar panels that can't possibly be collecting enough energy to make a meaningful dent in the energy needs of a ship like this, the huge profile they have on a fighter that is meant to present a small target, inability to land anywhere but on a specialized carrier, but overall I'd rather have the TIE. At least you can shoot straight and see well enough in front of you for a dog-fight, and you're not sitting on bombs! Still, I'd really prefer a Starfury, or a Colonial Viper over either of these ships.
I'll stick with my T-65 J
The half turbine on the new x wing....bad design
Comparing the TIE to the X-wing is like trying to compare the bf-109 to the F-14 tomcat.
More like a F-5 to a F-14.
It’s just not though.
How do real exo planets compare to the Star wars galaxy? Back late 70s early 80s planets like Yavin Basin and Endor would be called impossible by mainstream science. Lot old not hard science fiction turned out to be More accurate then mainstream at the time
Alan needs to be working for Dave Filoni or Favreau as a lore and tech research specialist at LucasFilm.
Sorry, but I’m only able to acquire used parts & I’m forced to assemble my own Ugly Starfighter. And you’ll know its an Ugly because it looks so disgusting that you’ll wanna bring a barf bag with you & such…
but i wanted to be first! this isn't over!!!
What’s the point of being first im highly confused