@@jonathanallard2128 Nah. The style of SW is definitely based on WW1-era battleships, weapons, artillery and airplanes. With Han Solo's blaster literally being a WW1 Mauser C96 and the stand-in dogfighting scenes in the draft version of New Hope being archival footage from biwing dogfights. There are some individual WW2 elements, but most of it screams WW1.
If they made a televised sport out of simulated WWI plane dogfights with different teams and planes representing different cities or places? Oh I'd watch every week.
I was thinking the exact same thing😂 We know he already has the fedora....makes you wonder if hes got the houndstooth, satchel and umbrella. I wouldnt put it past him.
I musst think directly about indiana jones 3. Jones senior: "junior i dont know how to say it to you but they got us" after he destroyed theire own tailwing😂
If you haven't seen it the documentary ''They Shall Not Grow Old'' directed and produced by Peter Jackson is excellent. He managed to bring to life the grainy old film footage adding colour etc. He added sound and employed lip readers for example to fill in the blanks. (None of the original footage from WW1 has any sound.) Totally worth a watch!
@@Gunny1971 Mass scale electric vehicles that don't require gas to run, not polluting our cities anymore, possible redo of people that are paralyzed and have other disabilities thanks to Neuralink (and its really huge, medical chips from universities have like 100 electrods, neuralink has 3078), and most importantly SpaceX - he awakened tens of commercial space companies that are helping improve life on earth massively and SpaceX alone after Starship is completed will make it possible to leave mining our beautifull Earth alone and don't pollute her anymore thanks to space mining. Also colonizing Mars will increase our chances of survival as a species. Thats a lot of things lol.
It's awesome that they are keeping this part of history alive. I know it was for fun and that's why the 'lead' their shots but that was awesome! Thank you Mr.Jackson for preserving those historic planes
I was coming to ask if they have to lead their shots and what kind of telemetry is involved in that since lasers are way faster than bullets. Do you know?
This needs to be a competitive sport! 2v2 or 3v3 simulated dogfights. It would be a dream come true to see that in person, and even better that people aren't actually dying.
This NEEDS to become a competitive sport, imagine air force pilots from all over the world gather to do this type of competitive re-enactment almost like the olympics mixed with the red bull air race
The closest film to that was ‘Aces High’ which starred Malcolm McDowell. It did an okay job at portraying just how dangerous & ultimately short the lives of the aircrews in the early days of air to air combat.
you can build them in your garage :) or under a tent, including most the engine works on them. . . and the complete specs and plans are out there. . .there is also a lil uptick in the 1/6 builds and such, not the full sized plane but still able to be directly piloted.
I had the Fokking pleasure to work with Peter Jacksons team in NZ on the Hobbit premiere. From everything I experienced from a ground level workers POV, I would have jumped at the chance to work with them - and I would have to commute from 'straya! From the geeking out seeing the back of house of Weta workshop, to the infectious enthusiasm of the craftspeople working on various aspects of his projects, he established a creative empire in his own country. Bezos and Musk can claim 50yo achievements paid for by other people, but a guy with mutant muppets and seagull threatened zombies created an opportunity for creative expression with a kiwi flavour. kudos to my ANZAC bros!
As I build my own 1:1 SPAD XIII, I'm discovering that at least SOME of the Fokker fuselages construction departed from the wood beam and wire bracing that was de rigueur in that era (as was the case with the SPAD), and went instead with a welded steel fuselage frame. And of course, that technique became more and more prevalent as aircraft design evolved.
To those new to WWI Aerial Combat the Triplane would have dived from very high , with the sun behind him , into the top of the RE8 and unleashed his Machine Guns at the pilot, gunner and Engine . But they probably couldn't stress the wings like that.
Aside from the fact that lasers can't take into account ballistics, these pilots really were just flying in a very simple flight path. Not really "dogfighting". Looks looks super fun, what an experience
From the video they didn't do much in terms of energy fighting or even turning much to "shake off" the pursuer. I don't know, maybe most dogfighting tactics were developed in ww2? And yes I would love to see immelman 😆
That laser tag system should be fun while it's mounted on a FPV flown model aircraft :D I would play that all day long! Wicked video, so cool to see those old birds in the sky!
The Fokker had three wings because they're also shorter. The engineers wanted shorter wings, but in order to keep the same amount of lifting force, it had to have the same amount of wing area, so they decided to have three wings. Short wings mean it's way easier to roll, making it much more effective in combat due to its high agility. I think it was a very slow plane though
@@Bunny-zn7ke probably, but that can only help so much you still need a way to prevent mid-air collisions so risky maneuvers would probably not be allowed, it would be just like this..
I'm a licensed private pilot and glider pilot. These old aircraft are notoriously difficult to fly and the maneuvers performed in aerial combat are far more complex and disorienting than you'd think. You need specific training just to perform solo aerobatics... now imagine doing what is essentially uncoordinated "group" aerobatics in temperamental and difficult to control powered kites....
1:03 hearing that makes me think of like, that friend that hasnt come online in years suddenly coming back on and invites you to a 1v1 "just like old times" in the game you met them in
Wow, this is crazy and awesome. I would be anxious about betting my life on one of those old privately-owned planes performing maneuvers through the air.
Peter Jackson is one of my all time inspirations over the last 30 years and I think one of the last heroes of the Great War for keeping and preserving what men did and how they did it.
Wait this is Masterton. My hone town that I grew up in. I basically lived on that airfield and learned to fly there and helped build one of the hangars.
in reality all those fuselage hits from behind and beneath could go through the length of the plane and hit the crew and engine but in this simulation count as non-lethal.
Also an engine hit isn't really lethal. They could just glide down - depending on which side they landed on, they would either be captured or could be up flying again the next day.
I would love to have been an unsuspecting civilian bellow getting to first, freak out a bit, and then freak out in excitement at what you're actually witnessing. This is amazing.
There has to be a work-around for this. Motion tracking camera inside/near the tip of the barrel locking onto infared reflectors? The problem I supposed would be making the proper calculations
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Laser-equipped WW1 hardware is basically the whole Star Wars franchise.
truth!
hahaha
More like WW2 but yeah
WW2
@@jonathanallard2128 Nah. The style of SW is definitely based on WW1-era battleships, weapons, artillery and airplanes. With Han Solo's blaster literally being a WW1 Mauser C96 and the stand-in dogfighting scenes in the draft version of New Hope being archival footage from biwing dogfights. There are some individual WW2 elements, but most of it screams WW1.
@@dhillos7282 1 & 2 to be fair regarding star wars and a whole bunch of 'stuff' in between :)
"The sneaky Fokker" I see what ya did there Adam.
Lol
*Ah Yes. Censorship At It's Finest.*
The Fokker was a Messerschmidt.
Yeah he milked that Fokker pun as best he could. Someone tell Robert De Niro.
Lol, in the subtitles censores it
This has to be the most fun game of laser tag to have been played.
Laser
@@nondescripthandle212 ty for that
And the most expensive
And with a legend like Peter Jackson!!
@@nondescripthandle212 lazoor
Somebody should turn this into a professional sport.
Yeeeeeessss
I think they did, about 100 years ago.
@@roberthickerty390 We need to do it again. Only this time, less deaths and no bullets.
Well they Olympics is on at the moment...
@@Firenamer2 boring. 😴
If they made a televised sport out of simulated WWI plane dogfights with different teams and planes representing different cities or places? Oh I'd watch every week.
Yes
Would be great
Same! 🤤
Me to
That’s genuinely a great idea, think of it, THE SPORT OF THE FUTURE of the past
I appreciate that the R.E.8 has a tail sensor to detect self--inflicted damage.
the only thing missing was Adam saying "Son... I'm sorry... They got us"
I was thinking the exact same thing😂
We know he already has the fedora....makes you wonder if hes got the houndstooth, satchel and umbrella. I wouldnt put it past him.
6 o,clock. Mine says 7:30 @@mrcyberpunk
I musst think directly about indiana jones 3. Jones senior: "junior i dont know how to say it to you but they got us" after he destroyed theire own tailwing😂
I feel like not enough people are commenting on the fact that Peter Jackson has his own mobile viewing platform.
haha crazy. Just to get a couple of meters higher watchingpoint, like i matters :D
This dude takes his hobbies to the max
@@Simon-gq8wn I don’t think they’re flying all the high, it might make a difference!
Not just a mobile viewing platform, but a vintage two floor bus mobile viewing platform
@@Simon-gq8wn I hope that vehicle is affectionately called "Weathertop"
If you haven't seen it the documentary ''They Shall Not Grow Old'' directed and produced by Peter Jackson is excellent.
He managed to bring to life the grainy old film footage adding colour etc. He added sound and employed lip readers for example to fill in the blanks. (None of the original footage from WW1 has any sound.) Totally worth a watch!
If i remember correctly, he spent over 10 years on it too.
@@MrCaptainNObeard that makes sense, they basically have to colour each frame then make software to fill in the gaps and get rid of the grains.
@@AmphiStuG that's probably an achievement of a lifetime tbh, he relived a one century old history.
I can't believe how realistic it was, they even died within the first hours of fighting!
Like in Blackadder, "The 20 minuters" 😂
I am so Fokking jealous of that Dr-1 pilot.
*3
@@dr.torpedo4350 its dr1 my friend, not dr3
@@dr.torpedo4350 the dr stands for dreidecker wich means triple decker
@@Chester_Stone yeah you're right sorry
Underrated
WW1 Planes: *start to make a Dogfight*
Peter: *sips tea*
WW1 Planes: *take off*
Peter: lovely, lovely
Dogfight finishes
Peter: could you go again?
Yeah I think if I had the money Peter Jackson did, owning WW1 aircraft would be one of my top goals too.
@@pasteldonut6454 Jackson's are on a whole different level to your suggestion.
Its even more fun, he owns a company that builds them
He do not own them, he builds them and sell them to collectors and museums :)
@@randomnickify Which means he owns them......
I would buy a castle and a lot of original Jack Kirby artwork.
The fact that Peter Jackson asked them to go again so he could watch more just further solidifies him as one of my favorite humans walking the planet
He wanted to make an extended edition :)
Friends: wanna lazer tag?
Me: yes ofcourse
Friends: why you dressed in ww1 aviation gear?
Me: i shouldn't have to explain lazer tag, you invited me
“I have better ideas.”
It’s all fun and games till somebody pulls a straffing run in laser tag.
That’s fun
laser*
“Hey wanna play laser tag?”
“No, that’s for kids.”
Puts on pilot goggles, “Alright but you can’t join in halfway through.”
I'm definitely gonna join every laser tag game after I read this 😳
Honestly, Peter Jackson might just be one of the coolest people on the planet.
No, Elon Musk is.
@@graullas8981 no
Yes he is. He accomplished the most and does this for the humanity.
@@graullas8981 what has elon musk done for humanity? Lol
@@Gunny1971 Mass scale electric vehicles that don't require gas to run, not polluting our cities anymore, possible redo of people that are paralyzed and have other disabilities thanks to Neuralink (and its really huge, medical chips from universities have like 100 electrods, neuralink has 3078), and most importantly SpaceX - he awakened tens of commercial space companies that are helping improve life on earth massively and SpaceX alone after Starship is completed will make it possible to leave mining our beautifull Earth alone and don't pollute her anymore thanks to space mining. Also colonizing Mars will increase our chances of survival as a species. Thats a lot of things lol.
I hope this is a competitive sport someday
I could see ww2 planes being used in this manner and that would be awesome
WW1 it was :)
@@vstarnbrs5679 hehehe eyyyyy
FAA would have a fit, obviously. So yea, this would never happen.
@@sqlevolicious I've seen Airplane racing, so this isn't That much different if ya think about it.. and squint really hard. And ignore the gunshots.
It's awesome that they are keeping this part of history alive. I know it was for fun and that's why the 'lead' their shots but that was awesome! Thank you Mr.Jackson for preserving those historic planes
They're not preserved aircraft , they built exact copies of the original planes.
I was coming to ask if they have to lead their shots and what kind of telemetry is involved in that since lasers are way faster than bullets. Do you know?
This makes all my gunner moments in bf1 more special lol
Mood! I love being the tail gunner on a Bristol
Adam Dr Jones'd his planes tail lol
"Son.. they got us."
😂
This needs to be a competitive sport!
2v2 or 3v3 simulated dogfights. It would be a dream come true to see that in person, and even better that people aren't actually dying.
Remote-controlled WW1-era fighers could make it safe.
@@ZarkowsWorld
At that point it might as well be a video game. Wouldn't have the same feeling.
@@ZarkowsWorld Equip them with real guns, that would be something.
@@romaliop it’s all fun and games until little Timmy (number) miles away eats bullets.
@@jonathonspears7736 i mean
Yes, but 6 planes attacking each other could definitely make some lethal crashes
This NEEDS to become a competitive sport, imagine air force pilots from all over the world gather to do this type of competitive re-enactment almost like the olympics mixed with the red bull air race
Peter Jackson should make a movie about this stuff! Aerial scenes like in Dunkirk, but with WW1 era planes.
He has been supposably developing several for a few years now. He is also working on a Dambusters remake.
The closest film to that was ‘Aces High’ which starred Malcolm McDowell. It did an okay job at portraying just how dangerous & ultimately short the lives of the aircrews in the early days of air to air combat.
He did get to play with the idea at the end of his King Kong movie remake, but I'm sure he would like to do it better with gritty realism.
@@davidanderson1639 Naah, The Blue Max is better.
EDIT: Yeah-yeah. The A-team pre-boomer is WAY to old i know ;-)
you can build them in your garage :) or under a tent, including most the engine works on them. . . and the complete specs and plans are out there. . .there is also a lil uptick in the 1/6 builds and such, not the full sized plane but still able to be directly piloted.
This might be one of the coolest things I have ever seen
EDIT: THIS IS DEFINITELY THE COOLEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!
Pretty badass though. Love how Adam Savage is still doing his thing and bringing history back to life.
I love people who have never been in combat, recreating it and saying how much fun they are having.
ok now this is awesome!
Oh dang hey Alfonse
Every time Adam said, "Fokker," the auto-generated captions would blank it out.
The sneaky (____)! 😆
Great. Just what this dystopian future needed. Automated piety.
Peter Jackson is one of the chillest dudes with the best stuff. Love that guy! Adam is the glorious icing on the cake!
I had the Fokking pleasure to work with Peter Jacksons team in NZ on the Hobbit premiere.
From everything I experienced from a ground level workers POV, I would have jumped at the chance to work with them - and I would have to commute from 'straya!
From the geeking out seeing the back of house of Weta workshop, to the infectious enthusiasm of the craftspeople working on various aspects of his projects, he established a creative empire in his own country.
Bezos and Musk can claim 50yo achievements paid for by other people, but a guy with mutant muppets and seagull threatened zombies created an opportunity for creative expression with a kiwi flavour.
kudos to my ANZAC bros!
Chur!
We're so lucky to have someone like Peter who can and chooses to make wonderful things like this happen.
Someone knows how to spend money properly this is the coolest thing ive ever seen. Now we need some laser tag battleships 😂
As I build my own 1:1 SPAD XIII, I'm discovering that at least SOME of the Fokker fuselages construction departed from the wood beam and wire bracing that was de rigueur in that era (as was the case with the SPAD), and went instead with a welded steel fuselage frame. And of course, that technique became more and more prevalent as aircraft design evolved.
You're building a SPAD XIII ???????
Explain how where and why please
This was brilliant! As a pilot and aviation enthusiast, I felt the tension and I am extremely jealous!
This should be the thing that's played and shown in the Olympics
Yes
To those new to WWI Aerial Combat the Triplane would have dived from very high , with the sun behind him , into the top of the RE8 and unleashed his Machine Guns at the pilot, gunner and Engine . But they probably couldn't stress the wings like that.
"The sneaky Fokker"...haha, I see what you did there.
I wana see this again with a B-17 vs a couple Bf-109.
Aside from the fact that lasers can't take into account ballistics, these pilots really were just flying in a very simple flight path. Not really "dogfighting". Looks looks super fun, what an experience
ww1 planes normally couldn't do the high g turns ww2 was known for, they had tiny engines and weak wings, so i think this is fairly accurate
You wanted to see an Immelman Turn?
From the video they didn't do much in terms of energy fighting or even turning much to "shake off" the pursuer. I don't know, maybe most dogfighting tactics were developed in ww2? And yes I would love to see immelman 😆
That laser tag system should be fun while it's mounted on a FPV flown model aircraft :D I would play that all day long! Wicked video, so cool to see those old birds in the sky!
Check out flite test, they did some stuff like that recently
@@eliasprice7553 I was subbed for a long time to Flite Test, i should take a look to that, thanks for telling me! :D
@@JarcodeRover np man, I should warn you that they have become a lot more corporate in recent times, but they still have lots of very cool projects
@@eliasprice7553 I should re-sub, I can leave the bell and just check the page every once in a while :D Have a great day!
I've been to Jackson's museum there in NZ. Very cool!
so cool to see the whole NZ airforce in action
💀
Lasers are almost instantaneous but they had to "lead" with real bullets.
True, but you wouldn't have to lead by much at those ranges.
I bet they never thought of that.. Not even once
I wonder if this is possible with paintballs?
@@kelo4366 I would guess too much chance of damage to fabric and eyes.
Not to mention they had limited ammunition as well
how many wings do you want on your plane?
Fokker: YES
The Fokker had three wings because they're also shorter. The engineers wanted shorter wings, but in order to keep the same amount of lifting force, it had to have the same amount of wing area, so they decided to have three wings. Short wings mean it's way easier to roll, making it much more effective in combat due to its high agility. I think it was a very slow plane though
One plane had over a dozen very short wings iirc, but three is the most that was ever in mass production
Caproni: all of them
The Fokker also had more climbing ability arguably the most important part of early dogfighting was don’t drop altitude unless you had to.
@@gearandalthefirst7027 There was even a plane the flew with 200 wings, the Phillips Multiplane II.
It would be cool to make this into a mostly non-lethal sport. I'd definitely want to learn to fly these planes.
A lot of deaths were from non-bullets; training accidents, planes breaking up from the G forces. Would be a dangerous sport.
@@petergarrone8242 i mean, isnt it possible to make the plane have better wings so they dont brake?
@@Bunny-zn7ke probably, but that can only help so much you still need a way to prevent mid-air collisions so risky maneuvers would probably not be allowed, it would be just like this..
I'm a licensed private pilot and glider pilot. These old aircraft are notoriously difficult to fly and the maneuvers performed in aerial combat are far more complex and disorienting than you'd think. You need specific training just to perform solo aerobatics... now imagine doing what is essentially uncoordinated "group" aerobatics in temperamental and difficult to control powered kites....
Flying a Solwith Camel would be a high risk high reward career choice
I love that they both opened up on Peter as well. Make him part of the fun!
Sod going to space in Branson's rocket! ...this is what you need to experience, love it...thanks to Jackson in keeping these flying 👍🤘❤
That looks like so much fun.
takeshi's castle ... last battle .. implementation on a whole new level xD
"The sneaky fokker"
Caught me of guard 😭
What a tremendous game! Only downside: with lasers no deflection is required. Takes a lot of the sport out of the...sport!
"I'm sorry son, but they got us..."
-Henry Jones on his self-inflicted tail damage
Looks like great fun. But it would be a different story if they had to take deflection and all the other dynamics into consideration.
I would LOVE to play this kind of laser tag
Imagine having so much money you take your planes out so you can watch your friend play lasertag in them xD
This is so Adam Savage material I am surprised they didn't play with ww1 planes any earlier
Tune in next time when Adam Savage re creates going over the top in laser tag form.
Honestly if he did that I'd watch it
Who wouldn't?
Paint grenades, laser tag rifles and MG's....
Throw in 500 men vs another 500 and you got yourself a great show.
1:03 hearing that makes me think of like, that friend that hasnt come online in years suddenly coming back on and invites you to a 1v1 "just like old times" in the game you met them in
That is highly dangerous. The pilots must work as a team really well.
Most are agricultural pilots.
Absolutely beautiful aeroplanes. This should become a more popular sport.
Tbf the RE8 was always going to struggle, its an artillery observation plane going up against one of the most agile aircraft of the war
A nice simulation of a recon plane being intercepted on it's mission as it certainly happened quite a few times irl.
I think that is the coolest bit of television I've seen in a long while!!🤣🤣🤣
Wanna go again???🤣
Wow, this is crazy and awesome. I would be anxious about betting my life on one of those old privately-owned planes performing maneuvers through the air.
They are not old. Jackson has a company building exact replicas. Still not easy to fly.
It was the best 7 minutes of the whole day
Yep, Blackadder's 15 minuters.
Twenty minuters wasn't it ?
Peter Jackson is one of my all time inspirations over the last 30 years and I think one of the last heroes of the Great War for keeping and preserving what men did and how they did it.
Petition to make this an actual game you can do; with remakes of these aircraft. And WWII planes as well
This is like the coolest thing Iv seen in so long
I wish they made a show about dogfights like this
the youtuber C.W. Lemoine tried to kickstarter something like that but with trainer jet planes. would have been awesome but expensive to produce.
Boy, I would love to do this!
Wait this is Masterton. My hone town that I grew up in. I basically lived on that airfield and learned to fly there and helped build one of the hangars.
Adam has the most awesome job ever.
Rear gunner: **gets "shot"**
Pilot: **proceeds to throw him out of the plane and takes the gunner seat bf1 style**
Stoked to see love for the R.E.8.
I know that this isn’t about historical accuracy but fuselage or wing hits can be fatal if enough of them are scored
this is so cool! i want to do something thats like this when i get older
But now you'll have to also deal with the rest of his mates! Huge respect to those WW1 recce crews.
They are having so much fun with the word play here.
I can almost imagine George Lucas furiously writing down "Biplanes and lasers. Lots of lasers!" in the background.
As a BF1 Pilot main who loves playing fighter, I love this video so much. I would pay millions to do this!
in reality all those fuselage hits from behind and beneath could go through the length of the plane and hit the crew and engine but in this simulation count as non-lethal.
Also an engine hit isn't really lethal. They could just glide down - depending on which side they landed on, they would either be captured or could be up flying again the next day.
@@Dayvit78 Still, most pilots weren't skilled enough to get on the other end and survive a ditch.
“I scored two hits on that fokker “ LOL 😂
Mr. Savage, did you just call a pilot a "sneaky fokker"? ))
Adam's plane wasn't even trying to evade ...
I cant help but notice that the first round looks like a new wt sim player going against a bomber AI gunner
I want one... Adam Savage has the greatest tools.
Bullets and lasers aren't even remotely the same.
Still looks sick.
I could watch these planes fly all day!
Bring back Wingnut Wings
What happened to Wingnut Wings, their staff and assets is unforgivable. So much for "keeping the hobby going".
This is the most amazing thing I saw come out of the 2020s yet...please make this into a professional sport!
Alright… if someone offered this to the public I’d pay $1,000 a match 😂 this is incredible
The best thing I have ever seen
Then, you have Flyboy's, Red Baron "Horror'lywood" movies in what those biplanes fly like a "Tie fighter" almost breaking the sound barrier...
Blue Max handled it better
I would love to have been an unsuspecting civilian bellow getting to first, freak out a bit, and then freak out in excitement at what you're actually witnessing. This is amazing.
It's such a shame that his Wingnut Wings scale model company went bust
Adam has the best fun ever.
All you have to do is lead him to your base AAA
Facts let the op airfeild aa take em out
I wonder what the BR for these would be though, -1?
would be nice to have wwI-planes in war thunder
This was great....... thank you
One problem standing between this and realism: no reason to lead a target with energy weapons.
Flying in a straight line for 10 miles does not help either.
There has to be a work-around for this. Motion tracking camera inside/near the tip of the barrel locking onto infared reflectors? The problem I supposed would be making the proper calculations
That’s the coolest thing I’ve seen in a while