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Arcade Classics Defender is NOT DEFENDER! | GenX Arcade Game Review
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2020
- The second of Basic Fun's 2020 line of Arcade Classics is Defender. Or is it? Something is very wrong with this tabletop mini arcade release, and Jon runs it down in this review.
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I can’t stop watching these videos. I own several of these mini arcade machines and it’s fun to watch these videos to see which one to buy next. These little machines bring back so much nostalgia. Thank you for being awesome, and keep being cool.
Glad you like them! If you want to help out, watch 'em all and then watch 'em all again! 😁
The original Defender featured some the best enemy design. There were not a ton of different enemy types...but their behaviors were so different and they all worked together so well. Also...your Funko collection is legit.
It was also incredibly punishing. If my game of Defender lasted longer than 5 minutes, I was on a streak! 😊
Fun fact: Stargate was released for Atari 2600 as both Stargate and Defender II.
Equally fun fact: neither of those are Defender either. 😁
@@GenXGrownUp That's because Bob Polaro wrote the Atari 2600 Defender cartridge. His lucky number is 25.
I only played the orig. Atari 2600 Defender cartridge, never even saw a Stargate one because by then, I'd sold my 2600 I believe. Everyone else was
playing tons of Colecovision and Intellvision by then.
Defender 2 was developed by Satoru Iwata when Nintendo were toadying up to Atari, hoping they would distribute the NES in America, so developed four Western games for the system, another was Joust.
Cool. 😎
Joust? You mean balloon fight right?
I was just about to buy this on ebay for 43$ CAD (upto 55$ +)... those bastards!
Glad I found your channel :)
Happy to have been of service, but sorry for any disappointment. Cheers, Jaxs Man! 😊
I noticed when you tried hyperspace you never pressed any other button or use the joystick… Is it possible that hyperspace requires you to hold the fire button and then move a direction or press the smart bomb button? Also is it possible that the labeling is wrong and that you were supposed to hold down the smart bomb button?
Just bought one on eBay. I adore Defender but actually preferred Stargate more so thanks.
Thank you for watching.
Preach it brotherman!!! I'd be willing to bet they had a ton of those Joust Cabinets as unsold inventory, and they thought they could just do that same hack you found and boom, new product!
I smell a conspiracy!
@@GenXGrownUp As Hippie said, everything is a conspiracy.
@@chesterfumblenutts6935 touche'
Yeah and they knew people woukd still buy them 5 at a time to resell on eBay for $80 cause they're brand new and people are lazy.
That intro theme on this game, Hal Laboratory loved to use it outside of Punch Out. The name of it is "Look Sharp/Be Sharp March", composed by Mahlon Merrick. It was released around the 1050s or a bit earlier. Honestly, I have a feeling the reason Defender 2/Stargate was chosen over Defender was that I don't think a decent Defender port for home systems ever came out until the various compilation packs were released. The only ports for Defender that came out prior to the compilations were all done by Atari/Atarisoft for everything that was considered popular in that era. The best two I could surmise in appearance and play were the Atari 8-bit computer, Atari 5200, and the ColecoVision versions. The C64 version is close, but not quite. So I have to assume that this is why we get Defender 2, over the original. In this case, they really should just have labeled it correctly.
That sounds like a typo. I don't that that song was released during the 1050s! 😜
@@GenXGrownUp Whoops! Boom. Um...I blame...Uh...I blame my 43 year old fingers. Yeah, that's it. Arthritis!
That was supposed to be 1950s
Is that the song ripped off to make the Starwars theme?@@NotesandNerds
I've got that same Pacman blanket (lower left corner). I use it as a dust cover for my MAME cabinet. Great video. Now I'm going to go listen to The Defender by Buckner & Garcia.
You're a Defender -- a mind-bender...
That's a good song. I bought that whole pac man fever album from itunes years ago
I hate that people try to defend it by saying that Stargate is better than Defender. That claim is a personal opinion, and it's still a scam!
This may not be Defender, but at least it's more playable than that crap they tried to pass off as Spy Hunter. You change the label on this, it goes up a couple of tokens. Change the label on Spy Hunter, and you still won't be able to use the machine guns if you have oil slick. I'd swap those token ratings Jon.
Yeah, you may have a point, Allen.
Yes, this!
Like you said, either reason..they didn’t know, or knew and thought they could get away with it, is unacceptable. The lemonade could be is they fix the error and this Not Defender becomes sought after...ages from now. Will you consider contacting the company for an explanation?
You bet, Vicky. Just sent an inquiry and link to the video. I will update if anything pertinent comes out of the correspondence.
GenXGrownUp Excellent!!!
loved seeing that seeing that Six Million Dollar Man lunch box!
Had that in Grammar School!
Chris Pelletier in Philly!
Thaks, Pat. Me too. That's not my original one, though. I actually acquired this one at the Lunch Box Museum! ruclips.net/video/bE3UTaErrVQ/видео.html
Let em have it Jon!!!
Only speaking my truth!
Thank you for confirming my suspicions about the opening music being from Punch Out! If I'm right that music at least the 1st part is Von Kaiser's music from Punch Out!
You're welcome!
It's not, but it's close. Punch out was composed by Kenji Yamamoto and Akito Nakatsuka, legends in the 8 bit Era. There wasn't any generic music put into a game Nintendo had so much invested in.
Yeah, I reviewed it and said basically the same thing. Huge disappointment. Not just Stargate but the nes rom of Stargate.
People still keep buying them in droves, so they'll keep doing it cause it's easy money.
They should be paying you to review their prototypes prior to mass production. I still can't help but collect them all. Like you said, I have to have it. Lol
I'm right here, Jake! If only!
At least they did not call it, _"ZAXXON"._
LOL!
At my local Walmart while all the others are 20 bucks DEFENDER/STARGATE is now 18 bucks.
Maybe that's a $2 discount for being the wrong game entirely. 😜
I wonder if basic fun would respond to customer complaint the same way arcade1up did.
Should we consider writing to company?
I have already reached out to them via their support page. If anything pertinent comes out of that correspondence I'll do a follow-up.
First, and THAT IS NOT DEFENDER!
#FACTS
Damnit, and after I bought 5 of them!
This looks like it wouldn't get super high marks even if it was labeled as defender II (since it's clearly an nes on a chip)
This just makes me glad I was able to get my hands on the Defender 40th anniversary partycade from Arcade1up!
Right? And that thing seems to have dropped off the face of the planet. It's not available anywhere any more!
@@GenXGrownUp I've noticed that....
Thanks for the vid. I saw one at Walmart for $20 and was tempted. If I come across one for $10 or less, I may just go ahead and get it. It would still look cool next to the others I have and I really wouldn't play it anyway.
You're spot on. As a collectible? Sure. As an accurate representation of Defender? Nope!
Ok, you mentioned in passing the joystick limiter plate but don’t mention how it makes playing impossible as you cannot fly forward (or backward) while also thrusting in that direction which is vital to gameplay.
Can the limiter be removed?
Good question, I will try it on one of my spares.
Yeah the machine maybe be bad, but Basic Fun actually also released a static version of Defender, and it’s Defneder not another game. You should definitely check it out it looks quite interesting.
Maybe make some custom Stargate labels? BTW, The original Stargate cabinet says "DEFENDER" above the title, "STARGATE"
I thought about it, Creepy! I think I've seen someone made a PDF with Stargate decals you could get printed.
A bit late to the party, but just wanted to mention that Defender II on the NES doesn't have Hyperspace or Inviso. The Stargate also functions differently in that it always sends the player to the opposite side of the planet (as far away from the Stargate as possible) instead of sending them to a human that needs rescue as in the arcade game. If that's how this Arcade Classic works then it's just running the NES ROM. Not sure why they put Hyperspace on the label though...it's not part of the NES game. Maybe they had different plans and somehow ended up doing this instead.
The cab looks pretty sick though.
Definite plus in the looks column, Robert.
Sometimes I'll just sit and stare at it for like 3 minutes cause it's so goddamn beautiful.
It’s a shame it doesn’t have a reverse button to facilitate the original up down joystick and button direction control method
That's the least of its problems!
The reason why is because Defender never released on the NES. Stargate did, under the name Defender II, and it's also called that in Midway Arcade Treasures.
All accurate, Sean, but that doesn't forgive the blatant misrepresentation of the cabinet. The bottom line is, the game, "Defender" is not on this machine.
Btw, did you know that Basic Fun also released an LCD version of Defender? (I know the screens are crappy on the LCD ones, but i don't think they could possibly put Stargate on that one...)
I did not know that. Now I must find it to witness the (anticipated) atrocity! 😜
You make a lot of good points. However, there is no stargate anymore, and there hasn't been for a long time.
Defender 2 has been the official name on every port, and re-release of the game.
retrogames.fandom.com/wiki/Williams%27_Arcade%27s_Greatest_Hits
"Every home version of Stargate has been called Defender 2, once Atari got sued for bringing home a port of Stargate to their Atari 2600 system, as there was already a product with the home exclusive name of Stargate released at the time."
It was basically a legal issue.
So even though we think its kind of Stargate, its not, so they actually got half the name right.
They probably didn't want to take the time to remanufacture the game, or do a reprogramming of a look alike game, since they had the previous stock, motherboards, etc.
The 2600 version is actually not half bad. Same with the 8-bit, and 5200 versions.
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You're partially right, negative1. I agree that the D2 name has been used a lot for home ports, but that was NEVER the name of the arcade game. And this is an "Arcade Classic" not a "Home Port Classic," so that's what I would expect to see.
The Defender II name was used in some home releases, due to legal issues (according to the bonus material for Midway Arcade Treasures, Williams wanted to "make sure they could own the trademark" on the Defender name). The name Defender II has been used on many home ports and game compilation appearances, but not in arcades. The Atari 2600 port was originally sold as Stargate, but was renamed to Defender II for a later re-release.
🙂 Thanks for watching!
@@GenXGrownUp Well, as you said for legal reasons, it doesn't matter if it was called Stargate in the arcades. The point is this is a home release, and they can't put the name Stargate on it, even if they wanted to.
Also, it is port of the home system. Maybe if they had gotten the arcade Roms, they might have been able to get away with it, but i doubt it.
Thats the point of the legal system. So they are forced to use the word Defender.
There's no way around it.
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Any way you slice it, Stargate is and always will be the game. No revisionist history or legal wrangling will change that. But Stargate isn't what this unit was sold as -- it was supposed to be Defender, and it wasn't.
@@GenXGrownUp I know we both agree in a way. But it doesn't really matter.
Even if these are all so-called 'Arcade' Classics. Not one of them is the arcade ROM,
they have all been NES ones, or watered down ports. So none of them are actually arcade games.
Unfortunately, it doesn't look they will ever get the license to port arcade games,
so expectations have be tempered, even into for future ones.
No need to be surprised.
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That dumb MSI plug n play I got had the same thing. Defender 2, NES Gauntlet 2 instead of Gauntlet and NES Joust. Why do they think that’ll fly? Why does it have to be that? And why did it ever have punch out music? Lolol
Why not just sell Stargate? The logic escapes me.
Hal laboratory loved to use that tune outside punchout.
@@GenXGrownUp Cause Defender is more well known, household name.
At least they put micro switches in the joystick for that MSI unit. It controls quite well. Yeah, but why resort to trickery? The game(s) advertised on the outside of the box should be in the unit.
I just seen it just now at my local Walmart and thank God I didn't buy it. Thanks for the review! Now I know better.
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Great video!!! Angry Jon is the best!!!
Angry Jon
"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me... when I'm angry..." -David Banner
GenXGrownUp Ummmmmm , Bruce lol
Not in the TV show -- it was David there! GenX Loophole!
Yep. It was “David” that said those exact words.
great video i was going to get one i loved defender in the early 1980s and i would love to have one of my own to play can you tell me if they make a classic defender thanks
heard they might release breakout next...might be one of the faux-VFD machines (like the horrible Asteroids one) rather than one of the full-color ones (like this one or spyhunter) judging from the photos on amazon
I'll keep an eye on for that for that one. Thanks.
@@GenXGrownUp they started selling them on amazon on the 19th...got mine today, and they managed to mess up breakout...how they manged to do that I'm not sure
Jaaks Pacific had a plug n play back in the 2000s that did the same thing.
It looks a hell of alike the NES version of Defender II, complete with the Punch-Out!! music at the beginning of the game.
Spoken like a man who hasn't yet watched the video! 🙄
GenXGrownUp no, I watched it. I just know that version of Defender really well. It looks like they just hacked that rom slightly for this one. I guess I was just repeating what you already said. It’s too bad because I’d love to see a version with a gated up/down joystick and proper buttons for thrust, reverse and smart bombs.
Patrick Crone Arcade1up defender is pretty close
Idk, it looks more like Stargate on nes to me.
The NES Defender II is NOT Stargate. There were a whole lot of things in Stargate that are not in Defender II. I know this because I got 10,000,000 in Stargate one night, I own an arcade Stargate (And a Defender) and I have a copy of Defender II. Honestly, I think that the reason they did this is because they simply don't have room for all of the buttons. The Stargate/Defender setup uses a 2-direction joystick (Up and Down only), a reverse button, Thrust, fire, smart bomb, inviso, and Hyperspace. By using the Defender II ROM, they're taking advantage of the NES version layout with the D-Pad, Fire, Start, and smartbomb. The Hyperspace omission is unforgivable. You're right that we deserve better, but this is likely the reason they did it. They just couldn't make a device with all of those functions playable on a cabinet that small. They wanted to sell a Defender game, and here we are...
I bow to your Stargate skills, David, But Defender II indeed the name by which the Stargate port was known on several home consoles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_(video_game)
It very well may have been missing some elements of the Stargate arcade game, but that's true of a great many home ports.
Could this be a result of a licensing issue or demands from Williams when releasing the game? At the bare minimum they would have had to approve of the unit. So strange!
If it's Stargate, you should also have "Inviso"!
(At least they didn't "advertise" it, like Hyperspace!)
Maybe we do? Not enough buttons to find out! 😁
I would love it if they made a arcade collection of wwf superstars, wwf wrestlefest, and wwf WrestleMania the arcade game. 🙂
The WWF arcade games were never my jam, but I know plenty of friends for whom they were. I can see where there would be a pre-installed audience that would snap up a collection. Have you seen the plug-it-into-your-TV WWF compilation, Marc? amzn.to/3hkHsXi
Hey jon nice to see you again
I'm an arcade classic fan as well, and I think this goof is pretty criminal. Hopefully they'll own up and fix it.
I doubt there's any fix forthcoming. I got a pretty stock email reply from Basic Fun that just sort of said, "We do our best." (I'm paraphrasing, but it was definitely a dismissal of my criticism.)
@@GenXGrownUp it just blows my mind that any person purchasing this product is going to be an avid retrofan and is absolutely going to know what the difference is. Now I'm not sure how something like this can be perceived to go unnoticed.
Basic Fun does this crap often and is the reason I own zero products from them. They do these little annoying cash-grab moves that is simply meant to “steal” from you. Even though they aren’t actually stealing from you, a scam is a scam. A scam is a sort of theft. And this is a scam two levels deep. It’s should have said Defender II, and that would still be a scam, just not as bad as what they did here. People who buy these, know better, and know what they want. This is the exact thing that will make a company loose the faith their patrons have for them. If times get tough for them, no one will believe in them enough to risk helping them passed whatever difficulty. They will fold soon enough, giving way to the hard-working companies who offer a product that is what it says. When I buy a box of Capain Crunch, I want Captain Crunch in the box. Not Corn Flakes. Even though Corn Flakes may be …ok ish. It still isn’t Captain Crunch, and that a scam/theft.
Theft is a bit of hyperbole, but scam isn't too far from the truth! 😉
Maybe that’s why I got mine for ten dollars less but defender or not,I really liked it
That's cool, then! The game is actually OK, just not what's advertised.
GenXGrownUp I got mine for 7 dollars for my brother. I dont think it should be used for playing often but it should be like a once in a while thing where you might not have wifi. Just put it in your car or somewhere where theres no games. It could also be decoration for your room.
There's more to it than this, unfortunately. It's not even an accurate port of Stargate; I'm pretty sure you can't pick up multiple humanoids and send them through the warp for a bonus.
I would have loved having inviso
I would not buy it anyway if it was labelled stargate. No hyperspace and inviso is a waste of time.
If the board had pads for those buttons and all I had to do was hack 2 buttons on, that would change my mind.
Lack of Inviso is the least of this toy's problems! 😆
i found out the original top of the screen was green not orange
Sorry, I don't follow. Can you expand on that?
@@GenXGrownUp um the thing that has your lives and scores the line were green in the original
@@GenXGrownUp for the gameboy color
@@PunkMusicIs4Real You're really highlighting the problem here -- because of the ambiguity of this unit, I'm not sure if you're talking about Defender II or Defender. Heh. 😊
It might not be the real thing, but it still is a fun version to play.
No argument there. It does have decent gameplay. That's a separate issue from that of being mis-advertised as something it is not.
@@GenXGrownUp Technically though, it may not be Stargate, but it is "Defender 2" 😁
@@lookingforwookiecopilot I agree entirely. If only they had marketed it as that. If I buy a "Ghostbusters" DVD and "Ghostbusters 2" is inside the box, that's a problem.
@@GenXGrownUp True
Are we just not going to talk about the Mike Tyson's Punch-Out music that plays when you start the game and after you complete a stage?
Oh, it would've been so cool if you'd had time to watch the video. 😝 ruclips.net/video/J1yq0_Cspek/видео.html
That is not the music from Mike Tysons Punch Out. Similar, but definitely not the same.
Punch out was composed by Kenji Yamamoto and Akito Nakatsuka, legends in the 8 bit Era. There wasn't any generic music put into a game Nintendo had so much invested in.
What if you... HACK THIS?
Good question. I'll try and mod one soon.
Hyper Space button does not work? You sure this isn't Star Wars?
Ha!
Was it the right game in the wrong box or the wrong game in the right box .hmmmm 🕵️
Did you get your chocolate in my peanut butter, or did I get my peanut butter on your chocolate? 😉
Have you thought of reviewing the Basic Fun version of Speak & Spell?
I didn't even know that was a thing until you mentioned it!
@@GenXGrownUp It's fascinating, I literally stumbled across a video about it just before Christmas, I'm not even sure how I came across the video. There are only 2 or 3 videos about it on RUclips. It mustn't be very popular or known about for that matter. I mean, when Wicked Cool Toys announced in 2016 they were bringing back Teddy Ruxpin, there was a lot of talk about that on the Internet, and I should know because I love Teddy Ruxpin, but I had no idea this new Speak & Spell even existed until about a month ago.
Great video. Thanks for posting this. Have a nice day.
Thanks, you too!
Hey Jon it’s been a long time since we’ve talked remember me Jayden
Too funny Defender + Stargate into one. lol
And yet, it's kind of neither.
Games I would like to see ..... defender (Is it out anywhere?) scramble (just because I could make 10p last all day while nicking off school) and a 2 star wars games one where you blew up the death star and the one that came after empire strikes back...
Scramble doesn't get enough attention. Also one of my go-to games in the arcade.
"Defender Stargate" was the sequel to "Defender" and thus is "Defender 2"...so it is still wrong, this should have been called either "Stargate" or "Defender Stargate" or "Defender 2" but not "Defender."
We agree on all points except the existence of "Defender Stargate." Never heard any game with that full title. _(But I'm always keen to learn if there are references.)_ 😊
@@GenXGrownUp Look at the marquee art on an actual Stargate arcade cabinet, smaller text, but it is there.
@@KB-xe8mt It is on the marquee, but I believe that was part of the marketing to ensure new players knew this was a follow-up to Defender. That's the only place it appears and isn't part of the game's official title.
@@GenXGrownUp P.S. - On the TV show NewsRadio the arcade game was referred to as Stargate Defender and Eugene Jarvis, the game's creator, had a cameo role on the episode as "Delivery Guy #3". Hahaha
@@KB-xe8mt Not enough to change my mind. 😊
My Hyperspace button doesn't work either.....
Yup
Anyway so this means we can all buy it play it to death then return for our money back
I guess if you can find it in stock still, sure.
Hey, you like Portal! I saw those Pop figures. I'm a fan of Portal as well.
You bet I do, Creepy! What a surprise hit bundled with the Orange Box! I assume you've enjoyed the sequel as well? That was a great expansion on the original.
@@GenXGrownUp Yep!
You enjoy the Half-Life franchise I presume?
@@cackers4752 Oh, yeah. I vividly remember playing Half Life for the first time on my Voodoo 2 graphics card-powered 233 MHz rig and thought I was a true baller.
@@GenXGrownUp Half-Life: Alyx for PC VR released March 2020. It is a fantastic game, and if your willing, you should try it.
Did you take this one apart to see if Joust was inside like the earlier video?
No, I didn't try that, Philip. Odds are it's the same board with the jumper already bridged.
Thanks for the heads up. Stargate is a good game but if the package promises defender the game should be defender.
A half a token is way too high. It should be zero tokens and boycott. But that is from a gen-x collector point of view. A kid in 2020 is not going to know the difference.
i'd much rather take an nes on a chip over the first two arcade classics which were both lcd games with black and white screens
I definitely agree with that, but just call it "Stargate" if that's what it is, and allow me to perform the functions documented in the manual (i.e. Hyperspace?)
@@GenXGrownUp i think there are legal issues with the stargate name, since mgm owns a film franchise called stargate warner bros. probably can't use the stargate name.
@@jayden6538 I doubt that was the motivation at all. Williams' copyright on "Stargate" as an electronic amusement is still valid and even pre-dates any other usages of the term. I expect Basic Fun knew that "Defender" was a more well-known title. But when faced with the fact that there's no NES version to slap into their machine, they tried to pass off Defender II as Defender.
@@GenXGrownUp They probably used the Defender name for name recognition, since some re-releases of the game used the Defender II name. However this makes things more confusing, since the original arcade version uses the name Defender Stargate on the cabinet and Stargate in the actual game.
That's basically illegal. Selling something that it's not 😢
It starts off as Punch Out and then phases into Star Wars? What?
bought this two days ago expecting defender. got stargate instead. my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
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I threw one to the kids and sold the rest to idiots on eBay for $80 a pop.
@@chesterfumblenutts6935 ooh, that ebay idea isn't too bad...gonna have to steal that, haha
Still pretty awesome
Looks good, but with missing controls and misleading marketing? Boo. Thanks for watching, Erain.
What shenanigans are they going to pull next? Crazy Climber with Fire Trap game🤔
Great videos👍
Whatever they do next, I'm sure people will buy them in droves any way, cause they just have to have them.
I'm gonna buy this anyway because I was such a fan of both games years ago, still am, but this is total false advertising as far as what you're actually getting. it would have been a lot
better to have both games in one cab., if possible, that would have been too cool. The other thing is Stargate vs. Defender requires different strategies and approaches to master,
Defender was difficult enough, but Stargate was a whole other thing, really. So it's not fair on any level to mis-market this. At least it looks playable, the cabinet is cool,
and the graphics and port per se, look well done.
I totally get that, Scott. I mean, I was disappointed, but I didn't throw mine away or anything. 😛 I know how we got here. BF was using NES-on-a-chip, and there's no version of Defender on the NES, so somebody figured Stargate/Defender II would be close enough that nobody would notice.
@@GenXGrownUp Very bizarre! I just ordered this today, looking forward to some Stargate at least. A number of years ago I had tons of games on the PC via MAME emulator, but last I installed it, or checked, copyright issues had decimated it, so there were hardly any working ROMS available, which is highly irritating. I'd rather be playing those games on the PC, of course. But handhelds tickle my fancy as well. I had the handheld Battlestar Galactica game as a kid, wow was that crude! At least Stargate is a real arcade port. One my of my old school pals had the orig. tabletop Pac Man, it was ok, none of them were accurate then, of course.
But... Stargate is better than Defender! ;)
No debate here, Clare. Just market it as the right game, yeah?
@@GenXGrownUp True true!
Ha! Claire beat me to it. Love me some Stargate.
Regardless of what you say, it is definitely Defender I should know growing up on it.
Heh. Regardless of what I say, it's not Defender. It is Stargate (or more technically, Defender II), but not Defender. Growing up on it, surely you're aware that there's no Stargate warp mechanic in Defender.
@@GenXGrownUp remove a leg from a chair and the chair is still a chair even if it has three legs so you can save your breath, you will never convince me otherwise so don't bother.
@@jameswilliamson4028 Typing doesn't require any breath, so I'm good, thanks. Is Ms. Pac-Man the same as Pac-Man?
@@GenXGrownUp HaHa!
love it lol you tell them . let us know if they contact you
Will do, Steven. I reached out them asking for any insight they could offer, so if anything comes out of that correspondence I'll surely post an update video.
I would say clearly it is fraud.
Doesn't really matter if you can't play it with proper controls, anyway.
I get where you're coming from, but it still matters. Honesty matters.
That's not Williams Defender.
Maybe, this product wasn't meant for Gen Xers, it was meant for Millenials and Gen Z people. LOL
Boy, I hope not. I guess if you don't know any better, you could be convinced that ANYTHING was Defender!
That would explain why it sucked.
@@ViciousAlienKlown I can't find a Defender arcade rom that works on the Mame emulator. Maybe the people at that company had the same problem, so they put Stargate which does work as a rom for the NES and the Atari 2600. Anyway, these bastards cheated. LOL
@@Ace1000ks19751982 There was even a good version on the Genesis on the Williams arcade collection.
I paid $20, 5 times. Me and my family love Defender. 😊
Game powered on at 5:00
Contextual information relevant to review conclusion at 0:10 😉
If it's not DEFENDER, then what the hell is it?
Stargate is better anyway. It's just Defender with more content.
That's not entirely true. Though it plays very similarly, the rules of Stargate differ substantially. As I mentioned in the review if this toy have been marketed under the Stargate brand it would have gotten a very different rating.
@@GenXGrownUp So there's things you can do in Defender you can't do in Stargate?
Irrelevant. Stargate is not Defender. If I purchase a DVD of Star Wars and open the case to find The Phantom Menace, I'm not a happy consumer. 😁
@@GenXGrownUp Definitely. No argument there. It's the wrong game. I was just saying I like Stargate better because it just takes Defender to the next level. I played both game a lot growing up and once Stargate came out I didn't feel the need to play Defender.
Yeah right? Why are people complaining about free dlc...? Mind boggling.
Why is defender 2 on there?
That's what I said!
SPACE INVADER IS THE BEST
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I still wanna get it cuz it looks like fun.
Caveat emptor.
Midway classic arcade Defender does not look like Stargate I got it from Alaska Three Bears
I'm not sure how to respond to this. Even real Defender "looks" like Stargate so I'm puzzled how the model you got doesn't look the same. Either way, if you see a Stargate if your Defender, you're playing Stargate. 😎
Still looks good
Looks okay, but looks ain't everything! 😜
I loved Defender, hated Stargate.
Wow! That’s a sad product! I love Defender...that would have pissed me off.
#FACTS
It wasn't the NES rom. It's worse. It's the Atari rom.
No, it's most assuredly the NES ROM. At least the Atari ROM for Defender would've actually *_been Defender!_* 😀
it's a Destarfengateder ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who wants to play with tiny buttons looking at a tiny screen??
Under the right conditions, thousands and thousands of people. 😀 To your point, Ed, the ideal way to play is on an original full-size machine. When that's not available for any number of reasons, these little machines are a nice distraction. Additionally, for many (myself included) these are collectibles that are representative of the original cab rather than the primary way to play.
HUGE disappointment. Yes, it is reprehensible. Arcade ROM or faithful reproduction, PLEASE!
#FACTS
They should be sued.
Not worth it over $20.
Gen X another great vid. Thanks as always, I was in Wally world and saw this unit and I caught that it was back to nes on a chip, so I skipped it. BTW took your advice to heart ty bro, and new vid they might make you laugh it's called gen x and baby boomers gamers vs (D.A.M dumb ass millennials) thank the Lord for Numskull Quarter arcades and arcade 1up(a lil) lol
Thanks, Rocky. I'll have a look!
U thought u were gona get the real defender for 19.99? I don’t know who the bigger fool is
You know, I got the real Pac-Man. And Dig-Dug. And Q*Bert, and Spy Hunter... all for $19.99. You'd be a fool to expect Stargate in place of Defender! 😋
It's close enough for me. 90% of the time it's a decoration anyway.
i have it
Do you agree with my evaluation? How would you rate it?
good 10
@@PunkMusicIs4Real Out of 5?! 😉