It's because he doesn't have a consistent jump shot/mid range shot and struggles with his free throws. Gives the perception that he isn't a elite scorer
@@juanio7036 All he does is “drive to the basket”? Ok, first is there’s too many 3s being shot and now it’s LeBron drives too much. I wish the haters would make up their mind.
@@santosonly7 I think it’s a degree of difficulty thing. Bron scored a lot at the rim which is easier vs a lot of contested jumpers like KD or Steph. Plus bron doesn’t have the moves that a lot of those guys have but he still is a great scorer. It also may be that bron doesn’t have a scorers mentality unless he gets hot.
@@javonn914 Moves, smooves. LBJ is a greater scorer than the guys you mentioned. Full stop, end of story. You have to admit, anything beyond that is an attempt to explain away that the guys with the moves are 70 and 101 and Bron is number 3 closing in on number 2. Think about that Javoon. Who is gonna remember number 70 and 101 when you've got number 3 staring you in the face. LOL!
That's bc ya'll are idiots, obviously. 🤷🏾♂️ Only in basketball will someone literally have the most of something at the highest level but you fanboys will still try to deny it 😂. Kareem has the most points "Oh he's not the best scorer, even tho he had the only ungaurdable shot"; Steph's breaking every 3 point record, "He's not the best shooter, wat about Kd?" Bron hit's the most game winners in history, "He's not clutch, he never takes the last shot" 😂 just clowns
I think it's more because he didn't seem like it earlier in his career because it was pretty much all lay ups and dunks. Plus the rule change where he pretty much has a free path to the rim.
@@gameova77 Naw, that ain’t it. Think about this guys: They are thinking about changing the 3 point shot rules not the lay up and dunk rules. Why? Because of the unfair advantage 3 pointers give teams. Not the dunks, lay ups and midrange shots. 😂🤣😂.
@@Mektek19 it’s actually not facts. All of those players have a higher true shooting percentage for their career (which is the best metric to use to determine scoring efficiency).
I been watchin bron since right around 06 07 and he never had elite scoring like kobe durant nem and it’s not a bad thing..the fact he top 3 in scoring is great in itself
@@z-mane1438 why are you acting like being athletic means youre not scoring? Like are you confusing scoring with shooting? A lot of MJs scoring came from his unbelievable vert, KD is a great scorer because of his height so whats your point?
He averages more points than Kobe and the same average as KD. It doesn't matter how you score. He scores just as often and just as efficiently as anyone who has ever played.
You do know scoring just means getting buckets right? Not athleticism. Y’all mj fangirls do anything to discredit lebron. Lebron could average 30 in any year but he runs the offense. Something no other great scorer did. Btw lebrons most ppg in a season was 31.4 Kds is only a whopping 32 pgg. That’s a huge difference.. not to mention they both have averaged over 30 two times..
Since he is a great scorer the conversation devolves to him not being clutch. Same predictable script that is not backed by the numbers. Shaq was a great scorer, as a fan of the game no one has ever put more fear in me than when Shaq caught the ball on the block. If he couldn’t score who would care how big he is, he was a skilled scorer. Bottom line.
After listening to those first couple of callers I couldn’t listen and or watch anymore. Sorry guys but those bias opinions are delirious. Being from Miami not being a Miami fan I can honestly say the guy did an amazing job while playing down here. Regardless of a jump shot or not he has game and his numbers don’t lie.
John Stockton, Magic, Rondo, Cp3 these are pass first players... How is Lebron a pass first when hes attempted just as many shots as Kobe? Come on man.
@@mike.cdn7212 I feel like a lot of people are confused on what being a pass first player even is... Its about what youre looking for as youre coming down the court. If he sees a passing opportunity he will take that first, when there is no passing opportunity, he has the scoring capability to score at will.
I think most of the time his first instinct is to pass the ball but there are some instances when he is in his bag and he is feeling it. I'm not sure if I would call him pass first or shoot first. He just doesn't Force anything and takes what the defense gives him.
If Lebron just had a consistent jump shot he'd at least be in the greatest scorer/shooter conversation he wouldn't have to be a Steph or a Dame type but at least be a Kawaii level shooter from the mid range or something
You Mean The Kawhi That Couldn't Put It In The Basket Enough To Beat Denver After Going Up 3 to 1 Are How About The Dame That Couldn't Put It In The Basket Enough To Not Get Beating 4 to 1 By LEBRON And The Steph Curry That Was Up 3 to 1 and Couldn't Put The Ball In The Basket Enough To Beat LEBRON In 2016 Boy Go Seat Yo Media Narrative Driven Ass Down Somewhere👎🏿😂😂😂
All I said was if he had a consistent jumper then people would put him in the greatest shooter category I didn't say he can't score yall act like I said the dude was trash the media just mostly compares his shooting to Jordan and kobe or steph and other great shooters when lebron is mostly a post up or drive to the basket kind of scorer it's a biased argument used to keep him from being in that conversation because a lot of people think you have to be a lights out shooter to be a great scorer
@@blazedup4208 bro im so confused as to why dumb ass people like you walk around saying IF lebron had a consistent jump shot like bro have you watched this man in the last DECADE? Why are yall acting like he's giannis its really not hard to watch highlights if you have to
@@oblove1586 obviously my comment went too far over your head cuz you think im against lebron so I'll dumb it down for you do you think lebron is a better SHOOTER than Steph? Is he a better SHOOTER than Dame? Is lebron a better SHOOTER than KD? No he's not but what he does better than them overall is SCORE because he's a 3 level scorer he can hit some 3s he can post put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket when you see highlights of steph he's shooting he's not dunking or posting up same thing with Dame you see 40ft bombs not a hesi pull up or a signature dunk or them doing dream shakes in the post yet players like that are considered top scorers comparable to other great shooters like MJ and Kobe the problem is this is a shooters league now and most people and most media think you have to be this bad ass jump shooter in order to be a great scorer when the whole name of the game is to just put the ball in the basket whatever way you can unfortunately its just another unwinnable argument for LeBron
Bruh it’s because it’s Lebron. It doesn’t matter how you score. Point is a point. The fact that Lebron being an average 3 point shooter and FT scorer and still end up being the greatest scorer shows you the standard he is held. People try to use durability and longevity excuse but why can’t the others do it then? Lebron always played the game the right away and worked more in his IQ than scoring.
Isn’t it amazing how longevity is now a negative because a player can greater longer than others lmaooooo but we all know why it’s an issue now all this to protect ONE player
@@brianlarkins4250 Exactly. They tried to customize the 6 years to talk about that dude and ignore the other years before when getting bounced in the first round and second and then quitting because the coach who helped him win the 6 ring won’t be there. Imagine if the roles were reversed
@@brianlarkins4250 isn't it amazing how longevity is now being pushed as being the best category to elevate a player but was almost completely ignored for Kareem? It's not about how long you've played, it's about what u did in the time span u did play.
Thats what I'm thinking, the rest of the league improves on their free throw shooting but a generational player like LeBron can't age gracefully with his free throw shooting.
@@mike.cdn7212 Lebron’s skill level is underrated. His footwork isn’t as smooth as a Kobe or MJ but he has solid footwork in that midpost area. I hate the comparisons of Ben Simmons, Zion & Giannis, just cause you big & athletic doesn’t mean your Lebron. I hate how fans & media dismiss Lebron like he’s some bulldozing big dude who just overpowers you in the paint with no skill at all. Even when Bron wasn’t the most polished, he was shooting pull up jumpers left to right off the dribble vs the Pistons in Game 5 of the ECF. After Mavs loss in 2011, Lebron improved his midrange & his post game getting training from Hakeem next year. Then Lebron improved his 3 point shooting & added dimensions to his 3 ball around 2018 adding the stepback 3. Lebron is a great scorer & skilled scorer but the free throws limit his full ability as a scorer. If Lebron improved his free throws he can be more unstoppable cause he so great driving & scoring in the paint if he improved his free throws to an 80+% rate all that would do is open the floor even more cause he can get so many more open layups & dunks cause teams would be scared to foul him. Because of Lebron’s lower free throw % he’s more hesitant to score in the paint & all that does is make Lebron’s job harder by driving & kicking to a shooter that has a defender drapped on him. Lebron still finds a way despite this but he can be a better scorer & even better player if he improved his free throws
This idea that Bron is “pass first” is ridiculous. He takes 19/20 shots per game for his career. Is he a really great passer? Of course but pass first is Kidd, CP3, Nash, Stockton, Magic. Guys who score around 13-19 ppg with double digit assists. Lebron scores 27-30 with 7/8 assists. He’s played longer so he’ll accumulate more totals but judging on a per game basis he isn’t.
See, this is what bugs me, is everybody talks about how Lebron is the best all around basketball player ever, most skilled of all time. Yet he’s not mentioned in the list of greatest scorers because he can’t shoot a FT, can’t shoot a mid range, average at 3’s, and has little to no post game. So you want to try and convince me that a dude that literally can’t shoot and has a very limited offensive game, is the most skilled of all time? Ummm wut 😑
Facts!! This is one of the reasons why I can't put him above Jordan. He's not better than him all round offensively OR defensively and yet somehow it's a debate?! I don't get it.
Its because hes a stiff scorer. He get buckets but he is not as flashy sharp or quick as other scorers...... he also does things to protect his shooting average. Thats not a pure scorer. Hes a scorer nothing more nothing less
So he’s too efficient to be a “pure scorer”? He’s 3rd ALL-TIME in scoring dude no disrespect but you sound dumb. And he’s one of the only dudes who gets MORE unguardable in the playoffs
Well, when he and the media spend much of his career saying he's a "pass first player" or he's more like Magic than MJ, what do you expect? LeBron is a great scorer...always have been. However, the narrative that he's a pass first player needs to die. If he's a pass first player, then what does that make Magic, Kidd, etc? He's a more willing passer than guys like MJ, Kobe, etc, but I wouldn't call him pass first.
These dudes obviously don’t watch Lebron, talking about all he does is drive??? He has a post fade away, he is a underrated three point shooter, can score with either hand and can finish in transition! I mean what am I missing ?
Now let’s see how many times Lebron avg 30 ppg. Once. One scoring title. Lebron is one of the greatest scorers ever , but it’s other players who were more dynamic on offense and scored more buckets in their prime. He’s a average jump shooter with no go to moves. Most his buckets come within the paint, and it took him over ten years just to develop a decent post game. Lebron stat pads just to average 25-27 a game , like he counts his stats and has a formula he’s been using since high school, and it works. But Jordan, Wilt , Kobe, Kareem, Durant, Curry, Jerry West, Rick Barry, Iverson, T-Mac all better offensively. Lebron is right there with Shaq.
LeBron is regarded as a pass first player while Kobe is regarded as a score first player despite both averaging the same amount of field goal attempts.
@@herbyoung2767The point went right over your head. All in your emotions, you can't even articulate a mature response. I'll dumb it down for you. Tell me five "pass first players" that average 20 attempted field goal attempts per game or more.
@@karimw.9954 The name is LEBRON JAMES because he has more assists than pass first players I think that went over your head. Lebron greatest strength to his offensive game is ability to pass
@@brianlarkins4250 since you're incapable of comprehending, name 5 "pass first players" that average 20 field goal attempts per game for their career. LeBron is a scorer, like Kobe. He just dominates touches and possession time, so naturally he will also have a lot of assists....and turnovers. No different than players like Damian Lillard, Luka Doncic, James Harden and Trae Young. They are not "pass first players" in any sense despite having high assist averages. Do your research.
? What age was LeBron a starter in the NBA vs everyone else Lets not forget Jordans giant shadow is why LeBron got to start early Jordans so marketable such a giant because he was so unimaginably great. A greatness and dominance we wont ever see again At 38 to 40 MJ gave u 20 5 5 while playing top tier defense Vs Lebrons last season he tried on defense was over a decade ago
No he right bruh Jordan actually has a waaaaay better jump shot n jump shooter than Lebron no hate jus s fuckin fact Lebron can drive the ball better n better at 3 but thats it he can't score like KD or Steph n damn sho aint fuckin wit MJ cause he had way more moves bruh fade aways, post moves, spot up jumpers, crazy acrobatic lay ups, n can get u 60, 50, 40, 30 wat ever n not fold under pressure homie MJ lost in the 1st round but never in the finals n never folded bruh
@@thepresident7589 lmao ur trying to say LeBron drives better then Jordan? There is no chance LeShoulder compares to Jordan Bogut under the rim Cavs down 3-1 Bogut out of line up a magic 3-0 comeback Mo Bamba presence had Bron stuffing himself on the rim on a short dunk. He openly admitted he was hurrying to advoid the big guy
@@thepresident7589 MJ is the best in my opinion but Bron is 2nd. Saying MJ lost in the 1st is worst that losing in the finals. Don’t use that argument again.
Sorry but scoring 25 ppg in any number of seasons is great but why is that the number chosen to show his scoring prowess? What if you move the mark to scoring 30 ppg. How does lebron compare to the real top scorers then? I mean why is 25 the number we are looking at here.
Michael Jordan had to use several different ways to get a bucket. Fadeaways, different style of layups, dunks etc. The reason why because back in those days you have to earn your points not have a open lane to the basket like today's basketball.
Part of the issue of LeBron, instead of allowing others to argue for him like people do for MJ, Steph, Kobe, Kareem, Bird, and Magic. Lebron will send out twit..😂😂. Okay. Lebron is great. Because Lebron will toot his own horn, that leaves other to point out where Lebron averaged 17 pts a game for Miami in finals lost or giving up on the Cavs 61 win team in the playoffs, or having a rep of not being able to hit the big shoot. My opinion, I think LeBron could play in any era; I think his body type would be able to handle the punishment. Maybe, the career would have shorten because I would assume more injuries, but that just speculation. Mj playing in the era would killed it, even if 3 point shoot improves slightly....the paint is empty, 5 feet from the rim you do not have deal with 4 players it will just 1-2 players, the number free throws would go up.
Well the one caller said LeBron would be an average player in a different era. You can't really blame Chris for jumping in. Obviously that was a really stupid thing to say. You don't have to be a LeBron fan to be honest. I don't care what era Bron plays in the guy would never be average on the court.
I'm sure Chris wants to keep the discussion interesting and not jump on the LeBron hate wagon. Chris knows how Rob conducts himself when LeBron is discussed. Plus a little Ohio biased might have something to do with it.
They love moving this goal post for Lebron James. They find every single way possible to discredit his work. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. It makes for bad sports commentary
Where is his 81 point game or 72 or his 60 point games? Lebron obviously gets 20 plus attempts a game so we can't use the he passes the ball crap. He is a great scorer but Jordan, kobe has always been a level about Lebron in scoring.
Its not moving the goal post its based off his play style nobody considers Westbrook or giannis scorers in the same breath that they do kyrie or durant even tho Westbrook and giannis have had great scoring averages Lebron shoots 36% outside of the paint for his career and is bad free throw shooter
@Williford Bustin Thank you! Someone with some common sense. Just bc u have a better "scoring package" as these fanboys say means nothing when it's not on full display at all times. Kd has done nothing to separate himself from the typical superstar scoring wise. He an Bron have the same career average, and according to these comments of how he cant score, kd is pathetic and should be ashamed with all the so called "scoring abilities" he has
Bron is the only player in NBA history to shoot the ball 20 times a game on average for his career ... and be called a “pass first player”. Make it make sense.
Lebron is a Top 5 best scorer ever. 1: MJ 2: Wilt 3: Lebron / Kobe 4: Durant 5: Harden / Curry I value Playoff scoring more than Regular Season and Lebron scored at higher heights than Kobe or KD at their best and did it more often, more consistently, more efficiently. KD is better all around and more effortless but never did what Lebron for examlpe on 2018, which wasn’t the only time Lebron scored that well.
I wonder if they believe lebron would as successful without big man standing at 3 point line giving him wide up driving lines. Have a pf and C on the block without him having a good midrange shot would definitely hind him
Weirdos. It's cause Lebron has been playing so long at that level. Vs what we grew up watching. Players had like a 10-13yr career. It's only this generation of Lebron, CP3 Melo etc that gave still been at this high level long into their careers.
Scoring implies versatility, Giannis can average 30, but all of his points come from one area, thats why when teams gave him open looks from the perimeter he struggles, lebron used to be the same way. That strategy wouldnt work on kd jordan kobe, they are too versatile.
I'm a Jordan guy, but good lord the extent that media will go to protect the Jordan logo is rediculous. Rob just wet himself talking about a first round last second shot over a non-athletic role player in Greg Ehlo.
Lebron isn't viewed as a great scorer because he doesn't show the arsenal of scoring the other guys have. Lebron for a big part of his career was like Giannis is now: a great rim attacker where the gameplan is to let him shoot uncontested shots and focus on protecting the paint, even though he'll average 25-30 points, it all comes from one area on the floor. If you did that strategy with MJ Kobe KD Harden they would eat you alive. Lebron has shown that, that strategy worked on him to the point where any smart team he faced in the playoffs has been able to severely limit his impact by giving him open jumpshots. It wasnt till recently where Lebron has developed a consistent jumper to where that is no longer a viable strategy to beat him. But overall, those other guys are more versatile scorers and thus they get more credit. Nobody throws Shaq or Wilt in that category for the same reason
@@brianlarkins4250 but can barely shoot free throws and is very inconsistent from the midrange 😂 he scores so much in the paint because of his physical stature and strength combined with speed along with offensive fouling people through the lane
@@RampageYI It’s a solid part of his game what are you talking about? He shoots and makes more 3s than Kobe or Jordan and in 2019 he made the most 3s on the Lakers 💀
He is a one time scoring champion every one else has multiple scoring titles and streaks of phenomenal scoring 35-45 points per game during a season. He is a stat padder so his numbers are greatly inflated because of his stat padding in blowouts.
The fact that Bron is NOT a shoot first guy and he will still become the NBA’s greatest scorer to ever to play the game in and of itself is exceptional. Think about this: Bron NOT being a shoot first player passed EVERY shoot first player to become one of the NBA’s greatest scorers. You mean to tell me that’s not exceptional?
@@santosonly7 no one is taking LEBRON over Bird in terms of clutch scoring. I'm sure Bron has more game winning shots but that's probably attributed to playing longer
The narrative that Lebron refuses to take big shots in the Playoffs is crazy. He literally takes and makes a game winner more frequently than Jordan according to stats. Dumb reasoning really
@@SpursOn3 this might not be exactly what you look for but for your interest Lebron vs Jordan total clutch (+/- 6 points) Playoff games played Jordan 179 total games 59 games that ended in the clutch clutch games: 32.9% of the time Lebron 260 total games 81 games that ended in the clutch clutch games: 31.1% of the time
No. The way defenses were set up weren't allowed zone defenses. A defender couldn't play “in-between” the ball and his man or hedge. He had to commit to a double-team fully or stick to his man. Plus Lebron could play bully ball way more with less ticky tack fouls. Lebron would be a monster in the 90's playing under those defensive schemes
@@ericdupree8603 It's not really a tactical calculation is just a function of the fact teams scored 20 less points a game back then. Less points to go round.
@Trump Fan some illegals have criminal records His game and passing has adapted to the style new rules over time as the game and rules were changing. The Lebron you see now is not same Lebron from Miami, or even his first stint in Cleveland, thats what your not understanding. Lebron is more than capable of adapting his game to any era.
If you put LeBron James in the middle of the late 80s 90s basketball he dominates everybody his skill level is so high it's unbelievable his strength and durability is unbelievable is speed and leaping ability is unbelievable I don't think these people go back and watch these old games 90% of these players were horrible they couldn't shoot they couldn't dribble they couldn't hit free throws they couldn't shoot the three LeBron James Waterford murdered in the 80s and 90s not even talkin late in his career early in his career he was Unstoppable almost those guys wouldn't have had a shot I think people need to go back and watch them old games
He was playing against some of those same players from the 90’s in the 2000’s and he never won a championship until most of them got old or were retired...
I agree. People are idiots who tried to say he couldn't play in the 80s or 90s. Steve Kerr said it best when he sarcastically stated that "I guess basketball is the only sport where players get worse over time."
@@Jamal-vz9wh one of the things that makes LeBron so great is his size, strength and athleticism. These things would stick out even more if you dropped him in the NBA 30 years ago. He has the size and strength of Karl Malone, he has the athleticism and scoring ability of Dominique Wilkins and the court vision and passing ability of Magic Johnson. All three of those players were pretty great. LeBron would have been just fine.
@@dparks2856 it's about the entire career, there are no team athletes that don't lose games, mj didn't start winning games and titles day one,alot of players lose, but I'm not going to put today's players in front of earlier players, tiny Archibald, walt"clyde" frasier, Earl "the Pearl " Monroe, pistol "Pete "maravich, the bad boys,the rockets "twin towers",the only thing today's players have over the 60"s,70"s,and 80's is that they are OVERPAID, and not to durable..see I have NO greatest player in any sports, see there are too many "great ones " to have just one greatest ".. period.
Tired of the narrative that bron is a pass first guy. Good passer, yes but not a pass first guy. Dude is not a great scorer as in offense skill set. He can put the ball in a basket obviously but just not in an elite skill wise in terms of offense.
Just now getting to this video. I predict Rob is gonna hate on Bron & say he’s tryna secretly slide in the greatest scorers list in the minds of viewers. Something of that nature. Let’s see
Lebron always has the ball in his hands..thats why he gets 25 p.p.g.. its not that difficult in today's basketball if you are a superstar..Doncics does it..Harden did it in Houston with even better results scoringwise
@@mg19cal you didn't give the proper attention to my writings...i wrote superstars.. not everyone...jordan,durant, and kobe played off the ball..if the run the offence their ppg would be much higher. .especially in todays game..do you think Doncic would be a 29 ppg player in the 90s?
He has a bag though. It's just that he uses a bunch of things people are known for. He has the fade away down his post game is good. But he's just better than the people guarding him so he just goes to the rim
That spin move he does in transition , The dribble dribble lookaway 3 pointer , Fadeaway from the left block , The Drive Right Floater , I even saw em use a baby skyhook against minnesota last season lol Bron got a lil bag he's not nearly as graceful as KD , MJ or Kobe but he puts that ball in the hoop with the best of em
Lebron is not mentioned because he has weaknesses offensively. He get his stats the same way Russell, Stockton, Nash, get there stats. High pick n roll 💪🏽💪🏽
Disagree highly. Now he's not a pure shooter, but he's always had a respectable jumper, good face up, and developed a good post game. He can do everything at a respectable to elite level where you kinda have to pick you poison with Lebron as a scorer.
Scoring inside 3ft for most of your career and with his free throw percentage being terrible there’s no way he’s an all time great in scoring, he’s got 1 scoring title, longevity achievements don’t help you in this argument as he would like.
With all the players that could get to the basketball in their careers, do you not think it’s a testament to his skill he can average 25 for 17 years? Why has no one else done that?
Lol as if you would know what’s going through Lebrons mind as he looks to exploit whatever the defence will give him. It’s better to simply say Lebron is an offensive system. That system improvises each time he comes down the court with the ball. I believe that’s more accurate than scorer or pass first. It’s because this method is more complex (think an essay) than Jordan’s easier to understand score-first method (think Twitter), that people give up and interpret their own giving up as possibly meaning only one thing: Lebron doesn’t deserve the accolades. For instance, you don’t hear people go crazy about Phil Jackson (it’s usually more somber respectful adulation). But that’s just it; Phil’s system allowed Jordan to basically perform his easier-to-understand on court actions. But no one or very few people have any emotional attachments to the system. We cannot see easily the things Lebron does on the court to appreciate it. It must suck, but that’s the truth
I don't think I would call him pass first or shoot first. He has just played the game the right way. He rarely forces anything. If he has an open shot he takes it if he has an open teammate he passes it to them. Takes what the defense gives him.
This is simple: To identify the best “scorer” in basketball we have a designation called the “scoring title” Jordan, Durant and Harden have a bunch of those but Lebron does not. If you were very rarely the best “scorer”in the league, you will also more than likely bot be regarded among the greatest “scorers” of all time. Now, could Lebron win more scoring titles if he wanted to- probably. But if it remains only in the potential phase, you have to put him behind Durant and Harden and possibly Curry in this generation and a few others in previous generations- The absurd Lebron longevity numbers indicate what we already know- he’s been really really good for a very very long time. With puts him in a very exclusive territory with Kareem and but doesn’t show him to be the best at any one thing.
@@markflowers3968 those individuals do average more points than he does. They just haven’t been excellent for nearly 20 years!! Harden averaged nearly 40 points a few times and has been 1-2 in scoring routinely since he arrived in Houston. Durant has at least 4 scoring titles and Curry is a scoring phenomenon that has no equal in terms of shooting percentage and shooting volume and range. I think Lebron plays nearly flawless basketball and his control of the game is amazing!! That doesn’t mean he is better at the task of putting the basketball in the net.
THIS IS A WEAK ARGUMENT. IF YOURE SAYING LBJ ISNT REGARDED AS A SCORER BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE SCORES WHICH IS WITHOUT FINESSE AND JUST PURE BRUTE STRENTGTH, WELL THEN WILT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE GREATEST SCORERS OF ALL TIME AND WE KNOW HE IS!!!
for a player to go out of his way to point out something about himself in public. it kind of shows how "Insecure" he is about himself. Ive never seen anyone try to draw attention to themselves in this manner. only someone who is insecure would do this. its no wonder he is a polarizing figure because of some of the stupid things he does
Mate, in 3 decades he went from no dad unstable household, probably negative net worth to the apex of the sports and media world. No offense, but I think he stopped caring about what folks like you think as he got older and started speaking his mind? To use a bible verse. If his treasure lied in not offending folks like you, he’d probably be shutting up a la Jordan. But that’s not the case anymore; his future is untethered from such folks’ opinions. This is probably more secure than holding a grudge about it and being petty on the court
@@youngmyth what does all the the stuff you said in any way connected to what I posted? I was talking about stuff he posts more specifically this stuff about him posting not being "mentioned enough" on a list of scorers. If an NBA player like him pays attention to something so trivial as being not mentioned on some list only means one thing either he insecure about his reputation which contradicts what you just said about him "not caring what people think" it's quite the opposite of what he is doing posting something so trivial.
Posting stuff that's relevant and more important is better than posting something trivial that indirectly involves your place among the greatest basketball players in history wouldn't you agree? That's where I'm coming from. If his posts have some substance I wouldn't really say anything about it. This recent post sounds petty and insecure
@@youngmyth yup i read it. still doesn't answer my original post as pertaining to his recent post about this specific topic. let's not go overboard here and group in other things he has posted. because clearly that's what you want to post. all i did was give my opinion on what he recently posted which came off "petty" "self centered" and "insecure". so lets not go off topic here and "generalize" whether he cares about my opinion or yours or anybody's. so in summary that's what i think about his post while you have a different opinion about whether it comes off as "insecure"
The ppg in the 2010’s is the lower than the 80’s and the 60’s it’s only 1 point higher than the 2000’s and 2 points ahead of the 90’s. Stop the cap scoring is just as hard now as it’s always been hell it’s easier than two decades.
@@Kodreanu23 that’s my point was defense more physical back then ofc you’d have to be biased to say other wise. But that doesn’t mean it was better defense is more technical and schemes now it’s more team defense a lot less iso. Think about it no one could stop mj one on one, but most defense back then was one on one so ofc he should feast on them u get me.
@@jamescole9522 today's defense let you shoot mid range jumpers, he would be having field day with them and lanes for drives would be more open. He would torch today's defenses.
@@Kodreanu23 it's true! MJ would kill today's game. This era is soft & weak. Imagine him not being knocked around, tripped, kneed, clothes lined, pulled down mid air, elbowed & etc. now imagine him not having to nurse injuries & etc. That means he's scoring even more than what he did when the defense was that tough. Today's era is offensive, it's all about the 3PT shot & no defense. Nobody likes this era, it reflects in the ratings but that's why nobody truly respects this era. Scoring & all stats are inflated in this era
Yet he scores just as efficiently as those other “scorers” while orchestrating the entire offense through his playmaking. These “killer mentality” takes are so fuckin stupid, I swear 🙄 If that was the case, why wasn’t little 5’9” Isaiah Thomas considered the best player in the league the year he averaged like the most points in the 4th quarter?
@@straight_NoChaser yes rob parker, skip bayless, rich bucer, any talking head media personality from the new england area, Doug Gottlibe, charles barkley, all of Kds burner accounts all love that guy 😂😂😂... you hate him so much you just mad when you see ppl who dont 😂. Hope you enjoyed the dagger he hit over your guy tonight 😏... good night toots
So what? You wanna fault LeBron because his opponents aren’t playing better? Y’all are ridiculous. I’m an MJ fan all day, but you telling me the mid to late 90s NBA wasn’t watered down?
@@playforkeeps3536 Exactly he was in the same era as Kobe, AI, Tim Duncan, Shaq, T-Mac, KG, Dirk etc. when they were in their primes and at 18 he managed to average 20.
@@johnnyblingg I swear bro these mfs either got amnesia or selective memories plus he played in one of the toughest divisions in basketball in the early 00s that central division was no cake walk those pacers teams with artest , o'neal , al harrington , stak were amazing I think they won 60 plus games , detroit with rip , tayshaun , sheed and ben wallace DOMINATED the lakers and played the spurs tough in back 2 back finals even the bulls had a lil squad with tyson chandler , ben gordon and kirk heinrich
@@aaronryan8979 what?? No it means you had the highest PPG average for 10 seasons. The all time scoring list is about longevity and playing more games.
@@AF-we4re no it doesn’t mean that you idiot 😂😂😂 it means you scored the most points accumulative in a season it’s not about your Ppg average at all it’s about who scored the most points in a season so for example even tho Lebron might of scored more points per game then Tatum this season Tatum played more games so he was higher on the scoring list
@@aaronryan8979 do your research bro. You have to have played 58 games a season to qualify for the scoring champion. Beyond that it's about PPG. No need to be insulting either.
Weigh more? Go back and look at at how big forwards and centers were in the 90’s. Anthony mason, Karl Malone, dale davis, antonio Davis, charle Oakley, Derrick Coleman, Shawn kemp, Charles Barkley, sabonis, shaq, Chris Webber etc. you know, men did have acess to weight rooms and GNC in the 90’s 🤦🏽♂️
A lo of players did the tomahawk dunk before him, shawn kemp was the alley oop monster and the post fadeaway bob lanier and a bunch of centers and powerforwards did that way more than him, the 3 steps back is his original and the elbow point forward drive.
I’d literally say the exact opposite. All the other great scorers have go to moves that were hella predictable, there was just nothing you could do about em. Dirk one-legged jumper, MJ fadeaway, Kobe turnaround, Kareem sky hook, KD midrange pull up, Melo hesi/jab-step pull up, etc. You could easily make the argument that Lebron is the most creative and LEAST predictable scorer of all those because he DOESN’T have a go-to.
@@kendrickjenkins96 what you said was a bunch of BullSht. Lebron don't even have handles like that's why he's predictable Offensively. All he knows is Going North & South and uses his power and speed to score. What i will say that good about him Offensively is that he's very efficient.That's about it
If it was predictable more people would say that. It’s not. You say easy to calculate like you don’t have NBA COACHES saying his passing is what put him above the rest. The fact that he can give you 25+ is just whipped cream on top. His IQ is the cherry on top.
It’s simple. He can’t give you bucket on command. It’s why he always passes out . It’s a right basketball move but he dosnt even wanna take the shot anyway
I don't see how he is not a volume scorer when he is top 10 all-time in points per game. If he's not a volume scorer then there are only a handful of guys in NBA history who were.
51 points in the finals 10 40 point games In the finals 45 points vs Celtics 40 points vs Pacers 49 points vs Nets 49 points vs Magic 47 points vs Hawks 37 points vs Spurs game 7 all playoff finals games 61 points regular season most playoff points all time number 3 in regular season points I swear y’all idiots hate truth stats facts
@@brianlarkins4250 Also the 48 points against the Pistons in 07. Back to Back 41 point games against the Warriors. 38 to close out the Nuggets just last season. 46 points against Boston Game 6 in 2018. Like we can keep going 💪
The brother also mentioned "iconic". I didn't remember those feats, until they were just mentioned. We remember the 63 pts Jordan had against "prime Larry Bird" & the Celtics. We remember the 81pts "Bean" had against the Raptors. We remember Dr. J's dunk on Michael Cooper. We're STILL talking about these accolades.
Lebron averages more field goal attempts per game than Kevin Durant. He’s a pass first guy who also has a high usage and takes a lot of shot attempts. A lot of his total scoring records is due to longevity just as much as it’s due to his skill as a scorer.
Durant has only played 13 full seasons in the NBA and has scored 25 or more for 12 of those seasons. Plus Durant has played with talented offensive players for the majority of his career and had to share the scoring with those guys. Jordan only played 13 full seasons in the NBA and scored 25 or more for 12 of those seasons. He played two seasons with the Wizards when he was beyond the age of 38 and scored fewer than 25 pts each of those times.
@@cruztheworld8326 Critical thinking is important in order to understand context. Durant averaged 25 or more on teams where he had to share the ball with other offensive players like Westbrook who the Thunder drafted in Durant's second season. LeBron was basically a solo act for his first 7 NBA seasons. Also LeBron has ALWAYS been the primary scorer and/or primary decision maker on each team he has ever played on. This means he got to decide who scores on the team every time or when he should score himself. That's not the case for Durant.
It's because he doesn't have a consistent jump shot/mid range shot and struggles with his free throws. Gives the perception that he isn't a elite scorer
Why does the "way" he chooses to score matter?
mg19cal It doesn’t he was just saying it gives the perception of him not being a skilled scorer cause all he does is drive to the basket.
@@juanio7036 All he does is “drive to the basket”? Ok, first is there’s too many 3s being shot and now it’s LeBron drives too much. I wish the haters would make up their mind.
@@santosonly7 I think it’s a degree of difficulty thing. Bron scored a lot at the rim which is easier vs a lot of contested jumpers like KD or Steph. Plus bron doesn’t have the moves that a lot of those guys have but he still is a great scorer. It also may be that bron doesn’t have a scorers mentality unless he gets hot.
@@javonn914 Moves, smooves. LBJ is a greater scorer than the guys you mentioned. Full stop, end of story. You have to admit, anything beyond that is an attempt to explain away that the guys with the moves are 70 and 101 and Bron is number 3 closing in on number 2. Think about that Javoon. Who is gonna remember number 70 and 101 when you've got number 3 staring you in the face. LOL!
No one talks about Malone being the best scorers either
Bingo
@Aaron9 hes better than lebron as a scorer
@@robertrios1732 no coz he had stockton to open things up for him, lebron dont have a stockton type player.
That's bc ya'll are idiots, obviously. 🤷🏾♂️ Only in basketball will someone literally have the most of something at the highest level but you fanboys will still try to deny it 😂. Kareem has the most points "Oh he's not the best scorer, even tho he had the only ungaurdable shot"; Steph's breaking every 3 point record, "He's not the best shooter, wat about Kd?" Bron hit's the most game winners in history, "He's not clutch, he never takes the last shot" 😂 just clowns
@@robertrios1732 not true
I haven't seen the video yet but my prediction is this: Chris brings facts and statistics, Rob brings how things "feel" to him and other people.
Watch the first five minutes. You've missed it this time. Rob said Lebron is good scorer. Rob maybe hating but he is not stupid.
I hate when Ron says other people..
Yup, just another day at the office.
I think it's more because he didn't seem like it earlier in his career because it was pretty much all lay ups and dunks. Plus the rule change where he pretty much has a free path to the rim.
@@gameova77 Naw, that ain’t it. Think about this guys: They are thinking about changing the 3 point shot rules not the lay up and dunk rules. Why? Because of the unfair advantage 3 pointers give teams. Not the dunks, lay ups and midrange shots. 😂🤣😂.
Bron is a pass first player but for his career averages more shot attempts than KD, Harden and Curry, and just as much as Kobe🤣🤣🤣.
that's because he came in as a first option
And he’s more efficient than anyone you named
Cap
@@mashadphoenix Its literally facts, do your googles.
@@Mektek19 it’s actually not facts. All of those players have a higher true shooting percentage for their career (which is the best metric to use to determine scoring efficiency).
I been watchin bron since right around 06 07 and he never had elite scoring like kobe durant nem and it’s not a bad thing..the fact he top 3 in scoring is great in itself
Why does he avg more points than those 2 guys?
@@dparks2856 athleticism ..look at zion
@@z-mane1438 why are you acting like being athletic means youre not scoring? Like are you confusing scoring with shooting? A lot of MJs scoring came from his unbelievable vert, KD is a great scorer because of his height so whats your point?
He averages more points than Kobe and the same average as KD. It doesn't matter how you score. He scores just as often and just as efficiently as anyone who has ever played.
You do know scoring just means getting buckets right? Not athleticism. Y’all mj fangirls do anything to discredit lebron. Lebron could average 30 in any year but he runs the offense. Something no other great scorer did.
Btw lebrons most ppg in a season was 31.4
Kds is only a whopping 32 pgg.
That’s a huge difference.. not to mention they both have averaged over 30 two times..
Because ppl don’t like how easy he can muscle his way to the basket smh.
You mean offensive foul his way to the basket
You mean charging into people which isn’t a skill just brute force
@@donniet348 I’ll make sure I grab some tampons for you when I go shopping for my girl. Go watch baseball softie
@@donniet348 Weight room, or do some night time push-ups. Stay out the paint, big boys down there.
@@lawrencemcdonald9212 Who else charges? Keep your 5’6” on the bench.
People like the look instead of the effectiveness my coach always told me a lay up and a dunk both equal 2 points
Bron the only pass first player that can drop 40 any given night 🐐
Not any given night…he’s only done it 66 times
@@DuffMan-c5z bruh stfu
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Facts🐐🐐
Pass first is a guy who doesn't shoot a lot. Media narratives are very convincing I see
Since he is a great scorer the conversation devolves to him not being clutch. Same predictable script that is not backed by the numbers. Shaq was a great scorer, as a fan of the game no one has ever put more fear in me than when Shaq caught the ball on the block. If he couldn’t score who would care how big he is, he was a skilled scorer. Bottom line.
@Williford Bustin 🤣
After listening to those first couple of callers I couldn’t listen and or watch anymore. Sorry guys but those bias opinions are delirious. Being from Miami not being a Miami fan I can honestly say the guy did an amazing job while playing down here. Regardless of a jump shot or not he has game and his numbers don’t lie.
I agree with you...and to think those two callers actually think they're right. SMH
John Stockton, Magic, Rondo, Cp3 these are pass first players...
How is Lebron a pass first when hes attempted just as many shots as Kobe?
Come on man.
Unlike Kobe he has a 7.4 apg career average. A big part of his game is passing the ball & getting others involved
He’s attempted just as many shots and has a grip more makes...good point 👍🏽
He's a great passer but he's not a first pass player. It's a false narrative that the media and LeBron share with the public.
@@mike.cdn7212 I feel like a lot of people are confused on what being a pass first player even is... Its about what youre looking for as youre coming down the court. If he sees a passing opportunity he will take that first, when there is no passing opportunity, he has the scoring capability to score at will.
I think most of the time his first instinct is to pass the ball but there are some instances when he is in his bag and he is feeling it. I'm not sure if I would call him pass first or shoot first. He just doesn't Force anything and takes what the defense gives him.
This was a great topic I’ve wondered what some of these analysts think of Bron as an elite scorer
If Lebron just had a consistent jump shot he'd at least be in the greatest scorer/shooter conversation he wouldn't have to be a Steph or a Dame type but at least be a Kawaii level shooter from the mid range or something
I thought it was about putting the ball in the basket?
You Mean The Kawhi That Couldn't Put It In The Basket Enough To Beat Denver After Going Up 3 to 1
Are How About The Dame That Couldn't Put It In The Basket Enough To Not Get Beating 4 to 1 By LEBRON
And The Steph Curry That Was Up 3 to 1 and Couldn't Put The Ball In The Basket Enough To Beat LEBRON In 2016
Boy Go Seat Yo Media Narrative Driven Ass Down Somewhere👎🏿😂😂😂
All I said was if he had a consistent jumper then people would put him in the greatest shooter category I didn't say he can't score yall act like I said the dude was trash the media just mostly compares his shooting to Jordan and kobe or steph and other great shooters when lebron is mostly a post up or drive to the basket kind of scorer it's a biased argument used to keep him from being in that conversation because a lot of people think you have to be a lights out shooter to be a great scorer
@@blazedup4208 bro im so confused as to why dumb ass people like you walk around saying IF lebron had a consistent jump shot like bro have you watched this man in the last DECADE? Why are yall acting like he's giannis its really not hard to watch highlights if you have to
@@oblove1586 obviously my comment went too far over your head cuz you think im against lebron so I'll dumb it down for you do you think lebron is a better SHOOTER than Steph? Is he a better SHOOTER than Dame? Is lebron a better SHOOTER than KD? No he's not but what he does better than them overall is SCORE because he's a 3 level scorer he can hit some 3s he can post put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket when you see highlights of steph he's shooting he's not dunking or posting up same thing with Dame you see 40ft bombs not a hesi pull up or a signature dunk or them doing dream shakes in the post yet players like that are considered top scorers comparable to other great shooters like MJ and Kobe the problem is this is a shooters league now and most people and most media think you have to be this bad ass jump shooter in order to be a great scorer when the whole name of the game is to just put the ball in the basket whatever way you can unfortunately its just another unwinnable argument for LeBron
Hit more big shots than all the people named
Bruh it’s because it’s Lebron. It doesn’t matter how you score. Point is a point. The fact that Lebron being an average 3 point shooter and FT scorer and still end up being the greatest scorer shows you the standard he is held. People try to use durability and longevity excuse but why can’t the others do it then? Lebron always played the game the right away and worked more in his IQ than scoring.
Isn’t it amazing how longevity is now a negative because a player can greater longer than others lmaooooo but we all know why it’s an issue now all this to protect ONE player
@@brianlarkins4250 Exactly. They tried to customize the 6 years to talk about that dude and ignore the other years before when getting bounced in the first round and second and then quitting because the coach who helped him win the 6 ring won’t be there. Imagine if the roles were reversed
@@brianlarkins4250 isn't it amazing how longevity is now being pushed as being the best category to elevate a player but was almost completely ignored for Kareem? It's not about how long you've played, it's about what u did in the time span u did play.
It’s because of Lebron’s free throw % is why he’s not known as the best scorer
Thats what I'm thinking, the rest of the league improves on their free throw shooting but a generational player like LeBron can't age gracefully with his free throw shooting.
@@mike.cdn7212 Lebron’s skill level is underrated. His footwork isn’t as smooth as a Kobe or MJ but he has solid footwork in that midpost area. I hate the comparisons of Ben Simmons, Zion & Giannis, just cause you big & athletic doesn’t mean your Lebron. I hate how fans & media dismiss Lebron like he’s some bulldozing big dude who just overpowers you in the paint with no skill at all. Even when Bron wasn’t the most polished, he was shooting pull up jumpers left to right off the dribble vs the Pistons in Game 5 of the ECF. After Mavs loss in 2011, Lebron improved his midrange & his post game getting training from Hakeem next year.
Then Lebron improved his 3 point shooting & added dimensions to his 3 ball around 2018 adding the stepback 3. Lebron is a great scorer & skilled scorer but the free throws limit his full ability as a scorer. If Lebron improved his free throws he can be more unstoppable cause he so great driving & scoring in the paint if he improved his free throws to an 80+% rate all that would do is open the floor even more cause he can get so many more open layups & dunks cause teams would be scared to foul him. Because of Lebron’s lower free throw % he’s more hesitant to score in the paint & all that does is make Lebron’s job harder by driving & kicking to a shooter that has a defender drapped on him. Lebron still finds a way despite this but he can be a better scorer & even better player if he improved his free throws
This idea that Bron is “pass first” is ridiculous. He takes 19/20 shots per game for his career. Is he a really great passer? Of course but pass first is Kidd, CP3, Nash, Stockton, Magic. Guys who score around 13-19 ppg with double digit assists. Lebron scores 27-30 with 7/8 assists. He’s played longer so he’ll accumulate more totals but judging on a per game basis he isn’t.
@Billy Barry no he is not. stop that
See, this is what bugs me, is everybody talks about how Lebron is the best all around basketball player ever, most skilled of all time. Yet he’s not mentioned in the list of greatest scorers because he can’t shoot a FT, can’t shoot a mid range, average at 3’s, and has little to no post game. So you want to try and convince me that a dude that literally can’t shoot and has a very limited offensive game, is the most skilled of all time? Ummm wut 😑
Nobody saying most skilled of all time
70% from the line is good
Facts!! This is one of the reasons why I can't put him above Jordan. He's not better than him all round offensively OR defensively and yet somehow it's a debate?! I don't get it.
Its because hes a stiff scorer. He get buckets but he is not as flashy sharp or quick as other scorers...... he also does things to protect his shooting average. Thats not a pure scorer. Hes a scorer nothing more nothing less
A scorer is a scorer no matter how you slice it. I personally think its because of his below average free throw shooting.
So he’s too efficient to be a “pure scorer”? He’s 3rd ALL-TIME in scoring dude no disrespect but you sound dumb. And he’s one of the only dudes who gets MORE unguardable in the playoffs
@@tjleaf3510 He seemed pretty "guardable" vs the mavs in the 2011 finals.
@@SuperSonic_868 Every player has bad games, and bad series’. Jordan got swept multiple times lmao. No player is perfect sorry son
@@SuperSonic_868 had to go back a decade. Speaks for itself.
Well, when he and the media spend much of his career saying he's a "pass first player" or he's more like Magic than MJ, what do you expect?
LeBron is a great scorer...always have been. However, the narrative that he's a pass first player needs to die. If he's a pass first player, then what does that make Magic, Kidd, etc? He's a more willing passer than guys like MJ, Kobe, etc, but I wouldn't call him pass first.
I agree but that's the narrative Lebron forces
I like Rob and Chris but their narrative pushers.. I could definitely see them pushing Lebron is pass first..
Who pats themselves on the back more than Bron?
Gonna cry?
@@chipshead3079 no only lebron fans cry 🤣🤣🤣
@@chipshead3079 4-6
@@chipshead3079 1 mickey mouse covid ring
I would say mj.. he had a whole documentary full of bs lies to make him look better than what he really was
These dudes obviously don’t watch Lebron, talking about all he does is drive??? He has a post fade away, he is a underrated three point shooter, can score with either hand and can finish in transition! I mean what am I missing ?
lol no lie the way the talk about LeBron you’d think he was an average player bruh
@@rain2drops the nerve of these “analysts”
Yeah true but his driving is what has made him the dominant scorer tbh.
Now let’s see how many times Lebron avg 30 ppg. Once. One scoring title. Lebron is one of the greatest scorers ever , but it’s other players who were more dynamic on offense and scored more buckets in their prime. He’s a average jump shooter with no go to moves. Most his buckets come within the paint, and it took him over ten years just to develop a decent post game. Lebron stat pads just to average 25-27 a game , like he counts his stats and has a formula he’s been using since high school, and it works. But Jordan, Wilt , Kobe, Kareem, Durant, Curry, Jerry West, Rick Barry, Iverson, T-Mac all better offensively. Lebron is right there with Shaq.
LeBron is regarded as a pass first player while Kobe is regarded as a score first player despite both averaging the same amount of field goal attempts.
What's the assist averages casual?
Lebron has 3k more assists making him top 8 all time in assists lmaooooo 3rd all time in playoff assists do y’all even try to do research
@@herbyoung2767The point went right over your head. All in your emotions, you can't even articulate a mature response. I'll dumb it down for you. Tell me five "pass first players" that average 20 attempted field goal attempts per game or more.
@@karimw.9954 The name is LEBRON JAMES because he has more assists than pass first players I think that went over your head. Lebron greatest strength to his offensive game is ability to pass
@@brianlarkins4250 since you're incapable of comprehending, name 5 "pass first players" that average 20 field goal attempts per game for their career.
LeBron is a scorer, like Kobe. He just dominates touches and possession time, so naturally he will also have a lot of assists....and turnovers. No different than players like Damian Lillard, Luka Doncic, James Harden and Trae Young. They are not "pass first players" in any sense despite having high assist averages.
Do your research.
A pass first guy shooting 19 times a game. Yes
Exactly what I thought
Cause he can not cause he has to
He takes less shots than all those other scorers mentioned
@@J.D.M2.1 lebron is 19.5 while kd is 18.6…. What exactly are u talking about?
@@J.D.M2.1 KOBE 19 shots per game
A 20 shot game pass first scorer 🙄
I was lookin for this comment. Thank you brother.
Top 10 in assists and scoring
You feel better about yourself?
9000k assists and is top 8 in all time assists lmaooooo YALL are really dumb it’s embarrassing
@@brianlarkins4250 forreal. There is nobody that is top 10 in assists and scoring. These dudes are either idiots or just plain haters. Or both.
Rob stuck in the nostalgia of MJ
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What age was LeBron a starter in the NBA vs everyone else
Lets not forget Jordans giant shadow is why LeBron got to start early
Jordans so marketable such a giant because he was so unimaginably great. A greatness and dominance we wont ever see again
At 38 to 40 MJ gave u 20 5 5 while playing top tier defense
Vs
Lebrons last season he tried on defense was over a decade ago
No he right bruh Jordan actually has a waaaaay better jump shot n jump shooter than Lebron no hate jus s fuckin fact Lebron can drive the ball better n better at 3 but thats it he can't score like KD or Steph n damn sho aint fuckin wit MJ cause he had way more moves bruh fade aways, post moves, spot up jumpers, crazy acrobatic lay ups, n can get u 60, 50, 40, 30 wat ever n not fold under pressure homie MJ lost in the 1st round but never in the finals n never folded bruh
@@thepresident7589 lmao ur trying to say LeBron drives better then Jordan?
There is no chance LeShoulder compares to Jordan
Bogut under the rim Cavs down 3-1 Bogut out of line up a magic 3-0 comeback
Mo Bamba presence had Bron stuffing himself on the rim on a short dunk.
He openly admitted he was hurrying to advoid the big guy
@@thepresident7589 MJ is the best in my opinion but Bron is 2nd. Saying MJ lost in the 1st is worst that losing in the finals. Don’t use that argument again.
@@weightpushweight5769 bron not 2nd he 5th at best!
Sorry but scoring 25 ppg in any number of seasons is great but why is that the number chosen to show his scoring prowess? What if you move the mark to scoring 30 ppg. How does lebron compare to the real top scorers then? I mean why is 25 the number we are looking at here.
cuz it fits his narrative.
@@windridermach exactly!! 🤦🏿♂️💯💯
@Colonel Gibbs played more games thats why
LeBron is not a ballhog
@@amazingworld6805 he also has the exact same scoring average as KD.
Jordan would have gotten more done in Lebron's body than Lebron has. Lebron would have gotten less done in Jordan's body than Jordan did.
🧢 jordan was as physically imposing back then like lebron is now
Michael Jordan had to use several different ways to get a bucket. Fadeaways, different style of layups, dunks etc. The reason why because back in those days you have to earn your points not have a open lane to the basket like today's basketball.
also post up game, hits his free throws
Part of the issue of LeBron, instead of allowing others to argue for him like people do for MJ, Steph, Kobe, Kareem, Bird, and Magic. Lebron will send out twit..😂😂.
Okay. Lebron is great. Because Lebron will toot his own horn, that leaves other to point out where Lebron averaged 17 pts a game for Miami in finals lost or giving up on the Cavs 61 win team in the playoffs, or having a rep of not being able to hit the big shoot.
My opinion, I think LeBron could play in any era; I think his body type would be able to handle the punishment. Maybe, the career would have shorten because I would assume more injuries, but that just speculation.
Mj playing in the era would killed it, even if 3 point shoot improves slightly....the paint is empty, 5 feet from the rim you do not have deal with 4 players it will just 1-2 players, the number free throws would go up.
Facts
jordan couldn't even shoot 3s until he got the league to move the line up
Lmao every time someone says something about LeBron, Chris jumps into defense-mode.
& Rob gets on hater mode but u dont mention that lol
@@slangtang6671 feel free to make your own comment about it if that’s something you noticed. Mine is about Chris and what I saw in this clip 😎🤙🏾
Well the one caller said LeBron would be an average player in a different era. You can't really blame Chris for jumping in. Obviously that was a really stupid thing to say. You don't have to be a LeBron fan to be honest. I don't care what era Bron plays in the guy would never be average on the court.
@@daweeza42 I don’t think he really got the chance to explain what he meant because... well... my original comment.
I'm sure Chris wants to keep the discussion interesting and not jump on the LeBron hate wagon. Chris knows how Rob conducts himself when LeBron is discussed. Plus a little Ohio biased might have something to do with it.
They love moving this goal post for Lebron James. They find every single way possible to discredit his work. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. It makes for bad sports commentary
Where is his 81 point game or 72 or his 60 point games? Lebron obviously gets 20 plus attempts a game so we can't use the he passes the ball crap. He is a great scorer but Jordan, kobe has always been a level about Lebron in scoring.
Its not moving the goal post its based off his play style nobody considers Westbrook or giannis scorers in the same breath that they do kyrie or durant even tho Westbrook and giannis have had great scoring averages
Lebron shoots 36% outside of the paint for his career and is bad free throw shooter
@@madjames2392 where is Kds? Lebron has more 40,50, and even 60 pt games but KD is definitely the better scorer, it's pointless to mention totals
@Williford Bustin I agree My statement was based on the general opinion of most that say kd is a greater scorer
@Williford Bustin Thank you! Someone with some common sense. Just bc u have a better "scoring package" as these fanboys say means nothing when it's not on full display at all times. Kd has done nothing to separate himself from the typical superstar scoring wise. He an Bron have the same career average, and according to these comments of how he cant score, kd is pathetic and should be ashamed with all the so called "scoring abilities" he has
Chris looks like he just had a juicy steak 😋 with That toothpick 😂 😂 😂
Bron is the only player in NBA history to shoot the ball 20 times a game on average for his career ... and be called a “pass first player”. Make it make sense.
He's also the only player that is top 10 in both scoring and assists. Make it make sense idiot.
@@jahleelx9270 facts
Doesn’t that make him ... a scorer that can pass?
@@dominiquejackson2432 no.
Yeah ok
Lebron is a Top 5 best scorer ever.
1: MJ
2: Wilt
3: Lebron / Kobe
4: Durant
5: Harden / Curry
I value Playoff scoring more than Regular Season and Lebron scored at higher heights than Kobe or KD at their best and did it more often, more consistently, more efficiently. KD is better all around and more effortless but never did what Lebron for examlpe on 2018, which wasn’t the only time Lebron scored that well.
Melo is a better scorer than Lebron in my opinion
I can guarantee that none of the other great scorers playing in the league right now are going to pass LeBron in all time scoring
He will be passed at some point lol the world will go on long after we are gone so
He only has that many points cus his durability. And started day one a starter
@Williford BustinLMFAO.
@@RFreese44 that's a testament to his greatness
I wonder if they believe lebron would as successful without big man standing at 3 point line giving him wide up driving lines. Have a pf and C on the block without him having a good midrange shot would definitely hind him
He won a title with DWIGHT and MCGEE
@@Yiggaman they played AD at the 5 a lot and when he when ad wasn't at the 5 he stood on the perimeter a lot
@@dmartez21 I’m pretty sure AD didn’t play center against JOKIC
Did you watch basketball 🏀 in 2000s
Them are stupid reasons they don’t think of him as one of the greatest scorers because he don’t have a move ?
Its sad
Weirdos. It's cause Lebron has been playing so long at that level. Vs what we grew up watching. Players had like a 10-13yr career. It's only this generation of Lebron, CP3 Melo etc that gave still been at this high level long into their careers.
7,000 shots Bron made less than 5 feet, from basket. Rule changes, small ball , made Lebron.
They are not talking about shooting, it’s about “scoring “
Scoring implies versatility, Giannis can average 30, but all of his points come from one area, thats why when teams gave him open looks from the perimeter he struggles, lebron used to be the same way. That strategy wouldnt work on kd jordan kobe, they are too versatile.
Because he got 3 moves. Next question.
Exaggerated spin move down low
Tomahawk dunk
Charge a guy in the box
Next.
Thank you...someone who watches the games and is objective!!!
I'm a Jordan guy, but good lord the extent that media will go to protect the Jordan logo is rediculous. Rob just wet himself talking about a first round last second shot over a non-athletic role player in Greg Ehlo.
it wasn't the shoot alone, it was how he executed it, the hang time etc.
And people still don’t understand why LeBron gets hate. Always has to put a narrative out there like the shows don’t talk about him 24/7
Lol keep hating kid
Lebron isn't viewed as a great scorer because he doesn't show the arsenal of scoring the other guys have. Lebron for a big part of his career was like Giannis is now: a great rim attacker where the gameplan is to let him shoot uncontested shots and focus on protecting the paint, even though he'll average 25-30 points, it all comes from one area on the floor.
If you did that strategy with MJ Kobe KD Harden they would eat you alive. Lebron has shown that, that strategy worked on him to the point where any smart team he faced in the playoffs has been able to severely limit his impact by giving him open jumpshots.
It wasnt till recently where Lebron has developed a consistent jumper to where that is no longer a viable strategy to beat him. But overall, those other guys are more versatile scorers and thus they get more credit. Nobody throws Shaq or Wilt in that category for the same reason
Because 40 percent of his shots come at the rim because he’s 6’8 270 like he should do.
But shoots a better 3 than jordan and Kobe and has taken more 3s than both but ignore the facts
@@brianlarkins4250 Lebron makes 1 or 2 threes a game. Why are you referring to 3 pointers like that's a big part of his game. That's almost ignorant.
@@brianlarkins4250 but can barely shoot free throws and is very inconsistent from the midrange 😂 he scores so much in the paint because of his physical stature and strength combined with speed along with offensive fouling people through the lane
6'8 270 & no post moves tho!! 🤔🤦🏿♂️💯💯
@@RampageYI It’s a solid part of his game what are you talking about? He shoots and makes more 3s than Kobe or Jordan and in 2019 he made the most 3s on the Lakers 💀
He is a one time scoring champion every one else has multiple scoring titles and streaks of phenomenal scoring 35-45 points per game during a season. He is a stat padder so his numbers are greatly inflated because of his stat padding in blowouts.
The fact that Bron is NOT a shoot first guy and he will still become the NBA’s greatest scorer to ever to play the game in and of itself is exceptional. Think about this: Bron NOT being a shoot first player passed EVERY shoot first player to become one of the NBA’s greatest scorers. You mean to tell me that’s not exceptional?
Lebron, 19 shots per gm vs 7 apg
Larry Bird 19 shots per gm vs 6 apg
So is Larry then?
@@m.j.w.2876 Ugh … exceptional. Just not as exceptional as LBJ.
@@santosonly7 they're the same. Bron the better athlete/defender, Bird the more versatile scorer/better rebounder
@@m.j.w.2876 Bird the more “versatile scorer”? Ok, I guess. Lebron the more prolific, clutch scorer. That is an undisputed fact!
@@santosonly7 no one is taking LEBRON over Bird in terms of clutch scoring. I'm sure Bron has more game winning shots but that's probably attributed to playing longer
His turn around mid range is something that should be acknowledged. He’s been consistent with it the last 4 years as a move he goes to.
What In the hell? So lebron isn’t considered one of the best scorers because he hasn’t got a “pretty move” wtf
Man you copied my name
FYI lebrons shot on Toronto was better than the ehlo shot
Can anyone name a player LeBron's size not just height but mass that's a better shooter?
Of course...Dirk, Bird, KD...want me to go on???
dirk, chris webber, KG, carmelo, horry, bird, jokic
@@f0xx32 y’all niggas just gonna ignore the word “mass” lol. Everyone y’all named Lebron is significantly more muscular and bigger than lol
Karl Malone
Karl Malone had a mid range game. That's why that pick and roll was so deadly.
The narrative that Lebron refuses to take big shots in the Playoffs is crazy. He literally takes and makes a game winner more frequently than Jordan according to stats. Dumb reasoning really
yea because Jordan barely been in situations were he has to take game winning shots
@@SpursOn3 this might not be exactly what you look for but for your interest
Lebron vs Jordan total clutch (+/- 6 points) Playoff games played
Jordan
179 total games
59 games that ended in the clutch
clutch games: 32.9% of the time
Lebron
260 total games
81 games that ended in the clutch
clutch games: 31.1% of the time
27pt average is mediocre cos the scoring is overinflated in the modern era. Id adjust that to 22-21 if he played in Jordan's era.
No. The way defenses were set up weren't allowed zone defenses. A defender couldn't play “in-between” the ball and his man or hedge. He had to commit to a double-team fully or stick to his man. Plus Lebron could play bully ball way more with less ticky tack fouls. Lebron would be a monster in the 90's playing under those defensive schemes
@@ericdupree8603 It's not really a tactical calculation is just a function of the fact teams scored 20 less points a game back then. Less points to go round.
@Trump Fan some illegals have criminal records His game and passing has adapted to the style new rules over time as the game and rules were changing. The Lebron you see now is not same Lebron from Miami, or even his first stint in Cleveland, thats what your not understanding. Lebron is more than capable of adapting his game to any era.
By modern era you mean the last 17 years?
@@purplestate Whenever you think the 3pt era began
paul george and ray allen also have that poetry in motion look
I understand Ray Allen but Paul George u lying
@@gametom2759 my comment went over your head
lebron is a scorer but not a dynamic scorer
🔥 Topic selection
If you put LeBron James in the middle of the late 80s 90s basketball he dominates everybody his skill level is so high it's unbelievable his strength and durability is unbelievable is speed and leaping ability is unbelievable I don't think these people go back and watch these old games 90% of these players were horrible they couldn't shoot they couldn't dribble they couldn't hit free throws they couldn't shoot the three LeBron James Waterford murdered in the 80s and 90s not even talkin late in his career early in his career he was Unstoppable almost those guys wouldn't have had a shot I think people need to go back and watch them old games
He was playing against some of those same players from the 90’s in the 2000’s and he never won a championship until most of them got old or were retired...
What a moron!!! Even with PED's he would have NEVER beat Boston, LA, Chicago, Detroit, etc...!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree. People are idiots who tried to say he couldn't play in the 80s or 90s. Steve Kerr said it best when he sarcastically stated that "I guess basketball is the only sport where players get worse over time."
@@cruztheworld8326 not saying he couldn’t but he wouldn’t have been as great
@@Jamal-vz9wh one of the things that makes LeBron so great is his size, strength and athleticism. These things would stick out even more if you dropped him in the NBA 30 years ago. He has the size and strength of Karl Malone, he has the athleticism and scoring ability of Dominique Wilkins and the court vision and passing ability of Magic Johnson. All three of those players were pretty great. LeBron would have been just fine.
Anyone who has Lebron as the second greatest player ,with almost double digit finals losses is and will always be a DAMN FOOL..period
MJ lost 9x not in the finals. Whats ya point?
@@dparks2856 evidently you're not to smart with your comment, how many finals "championship" series did Jordan lose, enough said..
@@michaellewis621
Why you only talk about the years he won? If he is all that, what about the other years and the 80s?
@@dparks2856 it's about the entire career, there are no team athletes that don't lose games, mj didn't start winning games and titles day one,alot of players lose, but I'm not going to put today's players in front of earlier players, tiny Archibald, walt"clyde" frasier, Earl "the Pearl " Monroe, pistol "Pete "maravich, the bad boys,the rockets "twin towers",the only thing today's players have over the 60"s,70"s,and 80's is that they are OVERPAID, and not to durable..see I have NO greatest player in any sports, see there are too many "great ones " to have just one greatest ".. period.
Tired of the narrative that bron is a pass first guy. Good passer, yes but not a pass first guy. Dude is not a great scorer as in offense skill set. He can put the ball in a basket obviously but just not in an elite skill wise in terms of offense.
Just now getting to this video. I predict Rob is gonna hate on Bron & say he’s tryna secretly slide in the greatest scorers list in the minds of viewers. Something of that nature. Let’s see
Ok, my prediction was wrong about Rob in this video
Lebron always has the ball in his hands..thats why he gets 25 p.p.g.. its not that difficult in today's basketball if you are a superstar..Doncics does it..Harden did it in Houston with even better results scoringwise
CP3 and Rondo hold the ball just as much. How's THEIR ppg career average?
@@mg19cal you didn't give the proper attention to my writings...i wrote superstars.. not everyone...jordan,durant, and kobe played off the ball..if the run the offence their ppg would be much higher. .especially in todays game..do you think Doncic would be a 29 ppg player in the 90s?
The fact that lebron doesn't have a signature move is even more impressive.
He has a bag though. It's just that he uses a bunch of things people are known for. He has the fade away down his post game is good. But he's just better than the people guarding him so he just goes to the rim
That spin move he does in transition , The dribble dribble lookaway 3 pointer , Fadeaway from the left block , The Drive Right Floater , I even saw em use a baby skyhook against minnesota last season lol Bron got a lil bag he's not nearly as graceful as KD , MJ or Kobe but he puts that ball in the hoop with the best of em
@@playforkeeps3536 exactly, that's why I can't say anybody is a better scorer than Lebron cuz he can do it I'm so many different ways at will.
Lebron is not mentioned because he has weaknesses offensively. He get his stats the same way Russell, Stockton, Nash, get there stats. High pick n roll 💪🏽💪🏽
Disagree highly. Now he's not a pure shooter, but he's always had a respectable jumper, good face up, and developed a good post game. He can do everything at a respectable to elite level where you kinda have to pick you poison with Lebron as a scorer.
Just like everyone else in the league lol mainly Curry and Harden. And they're not considered weak on offense.
Scoring inside 3ft for most of your career and with his free throw percentage being terrible there’s no way he’s an all time great in scoring, he’s got 1 scoring title, longevity achievements don’t help you in this argument as he would like.
With all the players that could get to the basketball in their careers, do you not think it’s a testament to his skill he can average 25 for 17 years? Why has no one else done that?
He's not a pass 1st guy, he's a drive look for my shot then pass kinda guy
No he is a pass first guy idiot. U don't get to top 10 in assists if u aren't a pass first guy.
True but many refer to him as a pass first guy regardless for some reason.
Lol as if you would know what’s going through Lebrons mind as he looks to exploit whatever the defence will give him. It’s better to simply say Lebron is an offensive system. That system improvises each time he comes down the court with the ball. I believe that’s more accurate than scorer or pass first. It’s because this method is more complex (think an essay) than Jordan’s easier to understand score-first method (think Twitter), that people give up and interpret their own giving up as possibly meaning only one thing: Lebron doesn’t deserve the accolades.
For instance, you don’t hear people go crazy about Phil Jackson (it’s usually more somber respectful adulation). But that’s just it; Phil’s system allowed Jordan to basically perform his easier-to-understand on court actions. But no one or very few people have any emotional attachments to the system. We cannot see easily the things Lebron does on the court to appreciate it. It must suck, but that’s the truth
I don't think I would call him pass first or shoot first. He has just played the game the right way. He rarely forces anything. If he has an open shot he takes it if he has an open teammate he passes it to them. Takes what the defense gives him.
There’s no way you’ve watched him for all these years and say that incompetent bs
That last caller should never call in again
This is simple:
To identify the best “scorer” in basketball we have a designation called the “scoring title”
Jordan, Durant and Harden have a bunch of those but Lebron does not. If you were very rarely the best “scorer”in the league, you will also more than likely bot be regarded among the greatest “scorers” of all time.
Now, could Lebron win more scoring titles if he wanted to- probably.
But if it remains only in the potential phase, you have to put him behind Durant and Harden and possibly Curry in this generation and a few others in previous generations-
The absurd Lebron longevity numbers indicate what we already know- he’s been really really good for a very very long time. With puts him in a very exclusive territory with Kareem and but doesn’t show him to be the best at any one thing.
So way don't they average more points than him?
@@markflowers3968 those individuals do average more points than he does.
They just haven’t been excellent for nearly 20 years!! Harden averaged nearly 40 points a few times and has been 1-2 in scoring routinely since he arrived in Houston. Durant has at least 4 scoring titles and Curry is a scoring phenomenon that has no equal in terms of shooting percentage and shooting volume and range.
I think Lebron plays nearly flawless basketball and his control of the game is amazing!! That doesn’t mean he is better at the task of putting the basketball in the net.
Can anyone say PED's...that is CHEATING!!!!
@@anthonyzarate9807 Can you prove it?
James Harden career average is 25.1. When did that become more than 27 points per game?
THIS IS A WEAK ARGUMENT. IF YOURE SAYING LBJ ISNT REGARDED AS A SCORER BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE SCORES WHICH IS WITHOUT FINESSE AND JUST PURE BRUTE STRENTGTH, WELL THEN WILT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE GREATEST SCORERS OF ALL TIME AND WE KNOW HE IS!!!
Lebron is the greatest scorer of all time. He can score with anyone and disk assist with best PGs.
I think LBJ is one of the most physical specimens in the world !! For his size and build he is so athletic it’s not even funny !!!
for a player to go out of his way to point out something about himself in public. it kind of shows how "Insecure" he is about himself. Ive never seen anyone try to draw attention to themselves in this manner. only someone who is insecure would do this. its no wonder he is a polarizing figure because of some of the stupid things he does
Mate, in 3 decades he went from no dad unstable household, probably negative net worth to the apex of the sports and media world. No offense, but I think he stopped caring about what folks like you think as he got older and started speaking his mind? To use a bible verse. If his treasure lied in not offending folks like you, he’d probably be shutting up a la Jordan. But that’s not the case anymore; his future is untethered from such folks’ opinions. This is probably more secure than holding a grudge about it and being petty on the court
@@youngmyth what does all the the stuff you said in any way connected to what I posted? I was talking about stuff he posts more specifically this stuff about him posting not being "mentioned enough" on a list of scorers. If an NBA player like him pays attention to something so trivial as being not mentioned on some list only means one thing either he insecure about his reputation which contradicts what you just said about him "not caring what people think" it's quite the opposite of what he is doing posting something so trivial.
Posting stuff that's relevant and more important is better than posting something trivial that indirectly involves your place among the greatest basketball players in history wouldn't you agree? That's where I'm coming from. If his posts have some substance I wouldn't really say anything about it. This recent post sounds petty and insecure
@@mrkymrk19 my comment said everything that you’d presumably need to advance your thinking on this matter. I might suggest reading it again ?
@@youngmyth yup i read it. still doesn't answer my original post as pertaining to his recent post about this specific topic. let's not go overboard here and group in other things he has posted. because clearly that's what you want to post. all i did was give my opinion on what he recently posted which came off "petty" "self centered" and "insecure". so lets not go off topic here and "generalize" whether he cares about my opinion or yours or anybody's. so in summary that's what i think about his post while you have a different opinion about whether it comes off as "insecure"
I'm not a Lebron guy but he's a top 10 scorer of all to me. He's a walking 27/8/8
This is the era where offensive records gonna be achieved all over the place. With that said, this is still awesome accomplishment.
The ppg in the 2010’s is the lower than the 80’s and the 60’s it’s only 1 point higher than the 2000’s and 2 points ahead of the 90’s. Stop the cap scoring is just as hard now as it’s always been hell it’s easier than two decades.
@@jamescole9522 No, hand checking rule has changed the game. But to be honest, so did the zone.
@@Kodreanu23 that’s my point was defense more physical back then ofc you’d have to be biased to say other wise. But that doesn’t mean it was better defense is more technical and schemes now it’s more team defense a lot less iso. Think about it no one could stop mj one on one, but most defense back then was one on one so ofc he should feast on them u get me.
@@jamescole9522 today's defense let you shoot mid range jumpers, he would be having field day with them and lanes for drives would be more open. He would torch today's defenses.
@@Kodreanu23 it's true! MJ would kill today's game. This era is soft & weak. Imagine him not being knocked around, tripped, kneed, clothes lined, pulled down mid air, elbowed & etc. now imagine him not having to nurse injuries & etc. That means he's scoring even more than what he did when the defense was that tough. Today's era is offensive, it's all about the 3PT shot & no defense. Nobody likes this era, it reflects in the ratings but that's why nobody truly respects this era. Scoring & all stats are inflated in this era
BEST FOOTWORK+FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND+MINIMUM OF 5 to 10 OFFENSIVE MOVES+PRETTIEST SHOOTING STROKES=FINESSE PLAYERS
FINESSE PLAYERS=MJ, KD ,CURRY ,KYRIE ,KOBE, KAWHI
Yeah but none of those guys are as good as valuable as lebron
Lebron James is not a killer, he's a passing forward who just doesn't have the same ferocity and passion that the elite scorers play with!!
Yet he averages more points but they're better scorers ?
Yet he scores just as efficiently as those other “scorers” while orchestrating the entire offense through his playmaking. These “killer mentality” takes are so fuckin stupid, I swear 🙄 If that was the case, why wasn’t little 5’9” Isaiah Thomas considered the best player in the league the year he averaged like the most points in the 4th quarter?
You sound stupid. The other players in the league now have not done what he has done
The thing is that's a big statement for LeBron, for a person who is not viewed as a scorer to became the all time leader in points is crazy.
Because of his haters. They wont let you mention him with anything thats associated with great
@@straight_NoChaser yes rob parker, skip bayless, rich bucer, any talking head media personality from the new england area, Doug Gottlibe, charles barkley, all of Kds burner accounts all love that guy 😂😂😂... you hate him so much you just mad when you see ppl who dont 😂.
Hope you enjoyed the dagger he hit over your guy tonight 😏... good night toots
@@straight_NoChaser bro it burns you but hang in there..
Plus I debunked your media comment... enjoy the day sweetheart
Maxxxxx nailed it... Era got him a lot of points.... Bad defense and bad defensive I.Q
So what? You wanna fault LeBron because his opponents aren’t playing better? Y’all are ridiculous.
I’m an MJ fan all day, but you telling me the mid to late 90s NBA wasn’t watered down?
Era ? dude came into the league in 2003 averaging 21 ppg at 18 years old.... 2003 isn't that far removed from the 90s that y'all glorify so much
@@playforkeeps3536 Exactly he was in the same era as Kobe, AI, Tim Duncan, Shaq, T-Mac, KG, Dirk etc. when they were in their primes and at 18 he managed to average 20.
@@johnnyblingg I swear bro these mfs either got amnesia or selective memories plus he played in one of the toughest divisions in basketball in the early 00s that central division was no cake walk those pacers teams with artest , o'neal , al harrington , stak were amazing I think they won 60 plus games , detroit with rip , tayshaun , sheed and ben wallace DOMINATED the lakers and played the spurs tough in back 2 back finals even the bulls had a lil squad with tyson chandler , ben gordon and kirk heinrich
Of course they turn this to D riding MJ before the 6 minute mark 😂
Well michael did win 10 scoring titles. I think that easily makes him the greatest pure scorer ever.
@@jaust9077 scoring titles overrated af tho that means you played more games then other candidates more so then greatness of scoring
@@aaronryan8979 what?? No it means you had the highest PPG average for 10 seasons. The all time scoring list is about longevity and playing more games.
@@AF-we4re no it doesn’t mean that you idiot 😂😂😂 it means you scored the most points accumulative in a season it’s not about your Ppg average at all it’s about who scored the most points in a season so for example even tho Lebron might of scored more points per game then Tatum this season Tatum played more games so he was higher on the scoring list
@@aaronryan8979 do your research bro. You have to have played 58 games a season to qualify for the scoring champion. Beyond that it's about PPG. No need to be insulting either.
NBA players weigh more in average nowadays than in the 80s or 90s. The lack of facts a times is painful
the "best" PG of the 90s era weighed 170 and played 20 years 😂
Weigh more? Go back and look at at how big forwards and centers were in the 90’s. Anthony mason, Karl Malone, dale davis, antonio Davis, charle Oakley, Derrick Coleman, Shawn kemp, Charles Barkley, sabonis, shaq, Chris Webber etc. you know, men did have acess to weight rooms and GNC in the 90’s 🤦🏽♂️
That was just an such a uniformed statement dude
Guards and wings weigh more but their were more true bigs.
Chris always seems to undersell Kobe. Very subliminal. I can't stand it.
Every single time.
Lebrons patented moves-
Tomahawk Dunk on the break,
Spin cycle down the hill
Alley oop dunk on the break
Post fadeaway
Look down step back 3.
A lo of players did the tomahawk dunk before him, shawn kemp was the alley oop monster and the post fadeaway bob lanier and a bunch of centers and powerforwards did that way more than him, the 3 steps back is his original and the elbow point forward drive.
He’s a great scorer and all time one. But if you know basketball, he’s not a better scorer than Jordan or KD.
Or Kobe, in my opinion but its definitely arguable
Even if he is not top 5 scorer all time, he is still top 10 all time scorer
@@_bwebb
He the 3rd all time scorer in history
You ever heard of Kobe?
@@dparks2856 not with 6 finals losses
What if MJ did not retire twice? How many seasons would he average 25+ points per game???
Who knows i guess 3 or 4 more sense he missed 4 seasons
Max and Rob been boys for years and they both talk complete bologna!!
Max sounds and talks like he smokes Newport’s and watches discovery channel
Lebron has been passing first since high school, we saw the games on ESPN guys.
His offensive game is predictable and easy to calculate. That's why he's not mentioned with the greats Offensively
I’d literally say the exact opposite. All the other great scorers have go to moves that were hella predictable, there was just nothing you could do about em. Dirk one-legged jumper, MJ fadeaway, Kobe turnaround, Kareem sky hook, KD midrange pull up, Melo hesi/jab-step pull up, etc. You could easily make the argument that Lebron is the most creative and LEAST predictable scorer of all those because he DOESN’T have a go-to.
@Ethon Felton oh He's been stopped plenty of times. Please let's not go there because i can go all day on that topic🤔
@@americanfresh17 spurs but lbj made them pay in game 7
@@kendrickjenkins96 what you said was a bunch of BullSht. Lebron don't even have handles like that's why he's predictable Offensively. All he knows is Going North & South and uses his power and speed to score. What i will say that good about him Offensively is that he's very efficient.That's about it
If it was predictable more people would say that. It’s not. You say easy to calculate like you don’t have NBA COACHES saying his passing is what put him above the rest. The fact that he can give you 25+ is just whipped cream on top. His IQ is the cherry on top.
its because lebron is really well rounded
Why is Lebron so damn insecure? Lol
It’s simple. He can’t give you bucket on command. It’s why he always passes out . It’s a right basketball move but he dosnt even wanna take the shot anyway
Bron is more like Karl Malone type of scorer. A steady but not volume scorer.
I don't see how he is not a volume scorer when he is top 10 all-time in points per game. If he's not a volume scorer then there are only a handful of guys in NBA history who were.
All he does is run everybody over to the rim, his scoring game is ugly af.
Name me one iconic scoring moment Lebron! whoa is me Lebron!
51 points in the finals 10 40 point games In the finals 45 points vs Celtics 40 points vs Pacers 49 points vs Nets 49 points vs Magic 47 points vs Hawks 37 points vs Spurs game 7 all playoff finals games 61 points regular season most playoff points all time number 3 in regular season points I swear y’all idiots hate truth stats facts
@@brianlarkins4250 Damn, you educated him.
@@brianlarkins4250 Also the 48 points against the Pistons in 07. Back to Back 41 point games against the Warriors. 38 to close out the Nuggets just last season. 46 points against Boston Game 6 in 2018. Like we can keep going 💪
They don't understand English @Enrique Ruiz!! 🤦🏿♂️😂💯💯
The brother also mentioned "iconic". I didn't remember those feats, until they were just mentioned. We remember the 63 pts Jordan had against "prime Larry Bird" & the Celtics. We remember the 81pts "Bean" had against the Raptors. We remember Dr. J's dunk on Michael Cooper. We're STILL talking about these accolades.
I'm sorry but blind Seahawks fan sent me with that LeBron take 😂😭
shaq had a spin, dropstep baby hook that was almost automatic... but yeah he dunked it over/through people most of the time.... 😅
What he call it the black tornado 🌪 or something like that? Or was it the shaq attack
@@t-god2439 bbq chicken lol!!!
@@djBADUY 😂
Lebron averages more field goal attempts per game than Kevin Durant. He’s a pass first guy who also has a high usage and takes a lot of shot attempts. A lot of his total scoring records is due to longevity just as much as it’s due to his skill as a scorer.
Day 2 of petitioning Chris Broussard gets rid of Rob Parker and replacing him with Nick Wright
Lol replace a guy who hates lebron with a guy that worships lebron... that would be interesting
Durant has only played 13 full seasons in the NBA and has scored 25 or more for 12 of those seasons.
Plus Durant has played with talented offensive players for the majority of his career and had to share the scoring with those guys.
Jordan only played 13 full seasons in the NBA and scored 25 or more for 12 of those seasons.
He played two seasons with the Wizards when he was beyond the age of 38 and scored fewer than 25 pts each of those times.
LeBron had 12 of 13 seasons with 25 ppg 🤡
LeBron has played 18 seasons and has averaged more than 25 points and 17 of them. Every year except his rookie season.
@@cruztheworld8326 Critical thinking is important in order to understand context. Durant averaged 25 or more on teams where he had to share the ball with other offensive players like Westbrook who the Thunder drafted in Durant's second season. LeBron was basically a solo act for his first 7 NBA seasons. Also LeBron has ALWAYS been the primary scorer and/or primary decision maker on each team he has ever played on. This means he got to decide who scores on the team every time or when he should score himself. That's not the case for Durant.