Is a very small tarp for you? See for yourself.
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2021
- Real conditions trips with a very small tarp.
Please support me with a coffee: ko-fi.com/papahiker I get a lot of questions about very small tarp sizes. Unfortunately I can't answer all of them. It very much depends on your length, intended use, how well you know how to pitch your tarp and on the circumstances you expect to encounter. It will certainly help you if you can form a mental picture of you and your tarp in real conditions. So check out these images of me using a DD superlight S-tarp. It is a bit smaller than 150*280 cm (5*9ft2) and I am 194 cm, 6ft4.
In this video you see the tarp in practice in middle and south Norway, in summer and in winter, and a demonstration of pitching the double pole holden in very hard wind (trees fell).
This will help you decide whether this is for you. What you don't see in this video is much rain. It did rain, but not that much and I did not film it. IF you expect constant or very heavy rain (think Seattle, Fjord Norway or Scotland) I would take a larger size, like a 7*10: amzn.to/3tRbuaT
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This is what lifes all about. Getting out there and being one with the nature. Good for the soul
Using an antler as a tent pole. This sh*t is so next level :)
Hahaha that antler was a really great find!
In my country collecting antlers is persecuted as poaching. Not sure what the law books say about using them as tent poles, though 😁
Superb videos and awesome locations. Love your enthusiasm for all things tarp. Especially the hint of drawing out configurations.
I'm super inspired by your channel, and I've got a small tarp and a tyvek bivy coming, and I can't wait to try a few of these pitches out hiking. Really been enjoying trying different pitches with my DD tarp too, so can't wait to get a smaller lighter version. Thanks so much for such an awesome channel.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. I can’t wait to leave the tent behind and go tarp and bivvy camping in the hills. 🤙
Thumbs up for using your shoe lace as a tie out!
Thank you for sharing, some great ideas out there!
I just ❤️ tarps,so thankful for this mini overview 😉
I started off 54 years ago using a sheet of nylon in the first config
I used my frame backpack as the pole system
I graduated to the luxury of using an army surplus poncho
I have used it in all conditions from torrential rains to late autumn mountain storms
Hello Neeman, WOW, excellent story. The luxury of an army surplus ponch :-)). But for real: it is true that with skill you can use this very small size in very real conditions. Kind regards Papa hiker
Great videos , love the different combinations of set ups 👍
Hi Kevin, thanks man!
Great video, keep them coming!
Great, thanks!
Excellent video, liked the instruction. I’ve been tarp camping since the 1960s. Back then tarp size mattered because everything was canvas. So the size and weight of the canvas was important and its thickness or strength, 8oz,10oz,12oz,etc. I’ve done all kinds of camping, and even re-enacting, with both nylon and canvas. As far as using a tarp imho and experience in all 4 seasons, a 5ft x 7 ft military nylon tarp or poncho or a 7x7 in canvas is bare minimum, 8x8 in canvas or 9x9 in nylon is a better choice for one person, in a sheltered location, using natural materials to block in sides. A 9x9 if nylon gives a lot of set up options without depending on natural materials. For 2-3 people bare minimum a canvas 10x10 or nylon 12x12 is best. I use a military bug net , long sleeves, gloves, and longer pants to protect my ankle from fly insects, or socks pulled up over my pant leg for ticks.
Small and THICK is good for cold protection - heat doesn't radiate out easily and a small space heats up very quickly.
Larger and thinner is better for rain protection - larger coverage but less thickness required, so can be even smaller.
I simply carry both, and both are tough enough to use as ground sheets, so I've got options.
Hey! Oh I did that once: carried a small and large tarp, used the small one as ground sheet, but one night circumstances dictated the other way around. Nice to have options! Thanks, papa hiker
Greetings from Southeast Alaska. The wind definitely degraded your audio quality on this one, but in my opinion, a small price to pay to see your real-world tarp deployments, and especially watching you set up the Holden in high winds. Great knowledge; thanks for passing it along to us. Keep up the great work!
Hi Jim, yes I am not a very advanced film maker and the wind sound messes up some of my videos... But at least you could hear that the wind was real :-) Have a great time in Alaska, awesome part of the world.
Being from SE myself, I can’t find videos of tarp users who camp in rain like where we live. This guy could get away with just a bivy. No need for a tarp.
Great video. Cheers from Canada
Thanks!
I think a hood hooch might be good for protection closing the corners on the back and adjusting front to create more space inside
Thanks Papa, I always enjoy learning the craft from you.
Hi James, thanks for your comment! Papa hiker
Thanks
you keep sharing knowledge with us. I am still nervous about the reliability of tarps in the mountains.
But you keep sharing information that keeps moving me another step closer to using them for all my three season camping, in UK
Thanks for answering my last query regarding the use of tie outs and the spacing between tarp and the ground. I re visited past videos and specifically looked closely at that technique. Yes it’s now obvious, and I had not noticed, how you alter the specifications and fine tune the pitch.
Thanks these videos are a great resource. 🔥
Perhaps you should read Ray Jardine. He is also a mountain climber and he has used tarps intensively on trails all over the US and in the Arctic as well.
@@jhonyermo will have a look
Thanks
Hi Kenneth! Great, don't hesitate to ask more questions, although I am sometimes out of the air for one or two weeks.
Ray Jardine is a legend!
I just got to know Ray Jardine. Had no idéia of who he was. Surely, I'll read more about him. But one point gor my attention: he doesn't reccomend his tarp sleeping system to be used in harsh conditions..
A few years later but you can reduce the risk when your rain gear is a poncho that doubles as a tarp.
Good video , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Thanks Michael!
Every video is an education, Sir!
Thank you sir!
Papa hiker, my old eyes have trouble finding white font captions against snow and white clouds. Can you help an old man out please?
It’s really helpful to see the different set ups. I have a small tarp on order for next years Bivvys.
Oh nice, good luck with it! I have been having great success with it, but I guess they are not for everybody, so do practice a bit. This video is part of a playlist that features more pitches.
Papa hiker
Thnxs
Welcome!
Small tarps are great and if you prefer, good times. Personally, I prefer an inconveniently large building, with a steam shower if possible.
Heads up to people looking for the smallest tarps on the market.
I've the Monk Flat DCF tarp by Mountain Laureal Designs. The width (1,3 meter / 4,3 feet) of the non-stretch Cuben fabric version, unfortunately makes the A-frame impossible to set up to the ground. The A-frame need to fly ~15cm off the ground, and as a consequence, lose meaningful coverage against horizontal wind and rain. 🤔 I think you need the nylon version, of 1,5 meter width, to do get a grounded A-frame.
The Brit Royal Marines use a Basha... it's no bigger than that... like I've told you before, I like enclosed, despite the condensation risk... I just prefer not getting blasted with icy wind! That one pitch you did, the almost tent, worked great with the DD XL! Made for a longer shelter, and easier to enclose...
Can you link to Papa Hikers setup, please,
Hi Aaron, great to hear that the (you mean the trail tent right?) worked out so well with the XL! Totally agree that enclosure is a good thing. Condensation can be dealt with, just asks for a little adjustment. But it both has it's perks: the small tarp is really light and the view is good :-)
have a nice one, papa hiker
i like your videp
Thanks man!
Rewatching your video
I use small loops of shock cord between the tarp and guys or tabs
This absorbs the wind shake and makes for a much tauter pitch in the wind
Ground cloth? Bug net,,?
I've got it all. In addition to my versatile two tarpaulins/ground sheets I also have a tent and a hammock. And if all those housing options aren't enough for you, I'm even considering adding an INFLATABLE BOAT to my kit, allowing me to sleep on flooded ground or a lake or whatever. If you think it's absurd to be carrying a boat around with you consider that if there is water, you don't carry it - it carries itself, IT CARRIES YOU and it carries all your other stuff for you.
Hey ALoonwolf! Well, check out my next few videos, they are all on packrafting, and also on sleeping on your inflated raft. Mine is actually a TWO person, that only weighs two kilograms! Incredible advancement of technology.
Have agreat time, papa hiker
At this point, I'm considering Klimyt LWD + drypants (highwaist+integrated socks). The paddle can work as a tarp stake. LWD got 210D material and weigh next to nothing. Feedback is deeply appreciated.
When I camped extensively in the 90's I used to wake up with bugs all on the tent between the body and fly. sometimes they would crawl into the pole sleeves and be tough to get out. Do you ever have bugs crawl into your clothes looking for a warm spot for the night? That is the biggest reason I hesitate to use a tarp.
I use a bivvy with the tarp. That keeps the bugs out.
Lay a permetherin treated ground-sheet out. Kills bugs and ticks near instantly. It's the only real defense against ticks without using a full enclosure of some type.
Hi Mike! Yes, just like menjoo and P RO say: there are several things that you can do. First you need to know what your enemy is: mosquito's, or also ticks, mice and slugs? Then you can complement your setup accordingly. Like on this trip: I knew that only lemmings and mozzies were going to be a problem, so I kept the food in a closed bag and did not leave the cooking pot out at night. For the mosquito's I was going to bring a head net, then forgot it (stupid) so I had a closed hood, gloves, Deet and site selection as my defence. :-)
A bivvy would in this case be what I recommend. And yes, I do have one experience of being overrun by spiders at night. They were everywhere, from my hair, sleeping bag to the coffee mug. Jegh.
Have a great time! Papa hiker
@@papahiker9014 What system do you have for slugs, I’m in the UK, I hate slugs, the last time I went (using one half of a Polish Lavvu) I was inundated with them, I woke up every hour with them in my hair, on me, under me, over everything- nightmare!🤢. I love wintertime camping, especially below zero, no insects!😁, but it’s also the beauty of waking up to a frosty morning.
@@Mat-kr1nf Flamethrower or nuclear weapons works great. It's up to you, but keep in mind that some areas have a fire ban. 🔥
May i know the name of the backpack you are using in this video please
Hey Monkeyingout,
The big one you see in the beginning is the Exped Lightning 60, but the pack I took on the mountain trip you saw footage of is the Lowe Alpine Yocton, a 35 litre frameless pack. Kind regards, Papa hiker
Mosquito avoidance skill level 11.
Hi Paul! Jep... I just figured, panicking does not help, and from there developed a coping strategy :-)
Carry a small 1" cube of mature cheddar cheese.
Works wonders
Have you ever slept in the rain with it? Or is it basically only really viable as wind protection and light rainfall?
Don’t know if I missed it in the video but I didn’t hear you mention the size of your small tarp which is frustrating when your video is about the pitches possible in different conditions with a small tarp. Please let your viewers know. I’m guessing it’s 5x7 feet??
Dd tarp s, 2,8m x 1,5m
I probably would not plan to bring a tarp that small to that kind of place. Looks more like pyramid or at least large tarp country to me. Where is this? Sweeden?
Hi Kyler,
Yes it is something that you shouldn't do without knowing the consequences. It is in middle Norway, I hiked from a town called Haltdalen to a town called Oppdal. Happy hiking! Papa hiker
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Thanks!
If bugs did not exist, I would use tarps (I wish) :D
How do you deal with all kinds of bugs? mosquitos, spiders, ants, ticks, etc.. ?
Either a lightweight bug net or a head net and cover your exposed area
from papa chief
Thanks Terry!
Love to be in that location away from people.
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