"Always be a student". Even though I've run ultras for nearly as long as Jimmy, I heeded his advice for my ultra a couple of weeks ago. Definitely applied the 60% rule. Still learning!
As an ultra runner these are all good pieces of advice. Another piece I’d add is weight training. I just finished my first 100 miler last weekend and all the upper back and shoulder work paid off as I never tired from the pack for all those hours.
Thank you, it’s the first time I get useful advices on RUclips about trail running . For once no bullshit from a pro runner, it inspires me to ultra run again. Thanks
Right on! Throwing away a time goal is hard.. but my one and only podium finish came when I ran with no goal but just having a great time running with friends. Thanks for sharing these good rules.
In the first half ‘don’t be a jackass’ in the second half, ‘don’t be soft’. Also think of consistent effort over time goal. I really think this will help me during Comrades!
Sage Canaday coached Kofuzi for the London Marathon. Can we just have Coach Jimmy train Kofuzi for an ultra? That last few miles during the 2022 LA Marathon were so inspiring!
Throw out my time goal and focus on the process! 🤘 I kind of hate race day, but LOVE the process of training. Comparison is the thief of joy and I always end of focusing on how others are faster and look more fresh. Focus on my race and training elements I’ve learned over the past 6 months. This week I will be running a Ram Party 55 miler as part of my training plan for the Black Hills 100 miler. To focusing on the process will be my objective for Ram Party. Let my training and development be the focus and my goal of sub 12 should come. If not, it’s a learning opportunity to improve before Black Hills. Thanks! 🙏
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I loved "in the first half, don't be a jackass, in the second half, don't be soft" Spot on! I just completed my first 100 miler after 2 DNF's and everything mentioned resonates with me. The difficulty is patience, patience, patience. In training and in race day excitement.
I didn't realize that doing back-to-back long runs, which comprise about 80% to 90% of my weekly volume, isn't a good idea, especially not for multiple weeks in a row.
As a coach and athlete I disagree with the time goal for ultras specifically with some athletes. Sometimes, especially more competitive and talented athletes, you need something to focus on to keep you grounded especially so you don’t run to hard too early on in the race.
I didn't say "throw out the time goal (completely)" but rather "throw out the time goal as the FOCUS". I'm all about time goals. But when your strategy is led by pace per mile or checkpoint-to-checkpoint split times it ignores effort, weather conditions, fueling plan execution, etc. I've raced over 350 times (100+ ultras and 30 hundred milers) and it never fails (with myself or my athletes) that when we get locked in to effort, we sometimes wildly outperform our goals/expectations, and when we got stuck trying to run some specific time, we watched it fade away as we ignored the other, more pressing things in the present moment that would get us to our best performance. All that said, the only person you have to be accountable to is yourself. My way isn't THE WAY, it's just a series of perspectives informed by hundreds of my athletes and my own experiences. We're all wired differently and how I do it may not work for you, nor your runners/athletes. Please do it however you (intuitively) think it works best for you. I'm quite familiar with how squirrely some runners with big goals get when you coach them to "throw out the time goal" they often don't hear a thing you say after that... hahaha -JDF
What’s the fastest someone has gone from, zero miles running, to an ultra, it’s just, I started running after giving up smoking 33 days ago, I had never ran, ever and made it 500 feet before I gave up, that was 33 days ago, I went everyday and only had 2 days off in that time, I’ve done 8 5k runs, best was (27mins) and I’ve done one 8mile last Sunday, which was easy to me now, I’m just wondering if it’s possible to do an ultra with in like 1-2 years! I’m doing a marathon in 3 months which is crazy to think of for me but I’m just curious.
' you dont want 80-90% of volume on the long run' - can you please explain why? To me you want to train like you will race, and these ultras are a 1-2 day push, so why wouldn't you want to push for 1-2 days on the weekend?
The spirit of that isn't "never do a double-long" but rather, if every single week is a couple/few 5-7 mile runs, and two 20 mile runs on SAT/SUN, there is an imbalance of how many miles you're running in a fatigued state" which is going to dramatically increase your risk of injury/imbalance without significantly increasing your fitness. I've watched many self-coached runners construct a program with double-longs 3 times a month for months. This comes back to the recovery principle. The same could be said for those who run races every other weekend, the races definitely give you more fitness, but is that better (more effective) than a well-constructed, periodized training block? Some weeks you will have a lot of your volume on the weekend, you want that to be the exception, not the rule. This has been a consistent theme when working with runners coming off of injury and reviewing training logs.
"Always be a student". Even though I've run ultras for nearly as long as Jimmy, I heeded his advice for my ultra a couple of weeks ago. Definitely applied the 60% rule. Still learning!
Great attitude! You’ll always get better like this. You only stop learning when you think you know it all, right?
Very helpful to this nubie in preparing for my first ultra in January, a 67 mile ruck-run.
Good luck dude, I’m working my way up to an ultra! 💪🏻 go get em man!
As an ultra runner these are all good pieces of advice. Another piece I’d add is weight training. I just finished my first 100 miler last weekend and all the upper back and shoulder work paid off as I never tired from the pack for all those hours.
Nice video with lots of beautiful running shots.
Thank you, it’s the first time I get useful advices on RUclips about trail running . For once no bullshit from a pro runner, it inspires me to ultra run again. Thanks
This is a fantastic summary of all things to consider. Love this!
Jimmy Dean is awesome!
Right on! Throwing away a time goal is hard.. but my one and only podium finish came when I ran with no goal but just having a great time running with friends. Thanks for sharing these good rules.
Been running ultras for 7+ years, and still learnt some great ideas here - thanks! 🏃🏿♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏿♂️🏃♀️
The advice to not pack 80-90% of my mileage into the weekend rang with me. I am guilty of it, and trying to even out the load should benefit me a lot.
Spot on, we've been guilty of this as well. Spreading the milage out a bit more throughout the week can also make a difference in energy levels.
In the first half ‘don’t be a jackass’ in the second half, ‘don’t be soft’. Also think of consistent effort over time goal. I really think this will help me during Comrades!
Sage Canaday coached Kofuzi for the London Marathon. Can we just have Coach Jimmy train Kofuzi for an ultra? That last few miles during the 2022 LA Marathon were so inspiring!
I’ve told Ko this, but I truly think those last few miles of that marathon with Floris and Coach Dean were pivotal in Ko’s breakthrough to sub 3s.
@@shannonsides6017 Can’t agree more! He broke 3 shortly afterwards at Grandma’s Marathon.
Jimmy Dean is a local legend! Thanks for the tips!
Brilliant here. Thank you for this.
This is very helpful. Thank you.
Throw out my time goal and focus on the process! 🤘
I kind of hate race day, but LOVE the process of training. Comparison is the thief of joy and I always end of focusing on how others are faster and look more fresh. Focus on my race and training elements I’ve learned over the past 6 months.
This week I will be running a Ram Party 55 miler as part of my training plan for the Black Hills 100 miler. To focusing on the process will be my objective for Ram Party.
Let my training and development be the focus and my goal of sub 12 should come. If not, it’s a learning opportunity to improve before Black Hills.
Thanks! 🙏
Thanks for the great talk 🎉
Love from Indonesia❤
Straight to it! Great video!
What a great video
this was sick! Jimmy’s the best
So good.
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I loved "in the first half, don't be a jackass, in the second half, don't be soft" Spot on! I just completed my first 100 miler after 2 DNF's and everything mentioned resonates with me. The difficulty is patience, patience, patience. In training and in race day excitement.
Flavor fatigue! Its real. Ive been stuck with favorite nutrition in planning and then not be able to even look at it by the end of the race.
The first 30% at 60% of HR was a great tip. It's tough to dial it back early on with all the excitement.
Not to throw 80% of your volume in on the weekends
I didn't realize that doing back-to-back long runs, which comprise about 80% to 90% of my weekly volume, isn't a good idea, especially not for multiple weeks in a row.
As a coach and athlete I disagree with the time goal for ultras specifically with some athletes. Sometimes, especially more competitive and talented athletes, you need something to focus on to keep you grounded especially so you don’t run to hard too early on in the race.
I didn't say "throw out the time goal (completely)" but rather "throw out the time goal as the FOCUS". I'm all about time goals. But when your strategy is led by pace per mile or checkpoint-to-checkpoint split times it ignores effort, weather conditions, fueling plan execution, etc. I've raced over 350 times (100+ ultras and 30 hundred milers) and it never fails (with myself or my athletes) that when we get locked in to effort, we sometimes wildly outperform our goals/expectations, and when we got stuck trying to run some specific time, we watched it fade away as we ignored the other, more pressing things in the present moment that would get us to our best performance.
All that said, the only person you have to be accountable to is yourself. My way isn't THE WAY, it's just a series of perspectives informed by hundreds of my athletes and my own experiences. We're all wired differently and how I do it may not work for you, nor your runners/athletes. Please do it however you (intuitively) think it works best for you. I'm quite familiar with how squirrely some runners with big goals get when you coach them to "throw out the time goal" they often don't hear a thing you say after that... hahaha -JDF
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What’s the fastest someone has gone from, zero miles running, to an ultra, it’s just, I started running after giving up smoking 33 days ago, I had never ran, ever and made it 500 feet before I gave up, that was 33 days ago, I went everyday and only had 2 days off in that time, I’ve done 8 5k runs, best was (27mins) and I’ve done one 8mile last Sunday, which was easy to me now, I’m just wondering if it’s possible to do an ultra with in like 1-2 years! I’m doing a marathon in 3 months which is crazy to think of for me but I’m just curious.
Build it up 1 day at the time. Rushing will cause injuries. Zoom out the timeline and enjoy the process.
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How long shound be my longest run in training? And when ist the best time for it? 3 weeks out or 4?
' you dont want 80-90% of volume on the long run' - can you please explain why? To me you want to train like you will race, and these ultras are a 1-2 day push, so why wouldn't you want to push for 1-2 days on the weekend?
The spirit of that isn't "never do a double-long" but rather, if every single week is a couple/few 5-7 mile runs, and two 20 mile runs on SAT/SUN, there is an imbalance of how many miles you're running in a fatigued state" which is going to dramatically increase your risk of injury/imbalance without significantly increasing your fitness. I've watched many self-coached runners construct a program with double-longs 3 times a month for months. This comes back to the recovery principle. The same could be said for those who run races every other weekend, the races definitely give you more fitness, but is that better (more effective) than a well-constructed, periodized training block? Some weeks you will have a lot of your volume on the weekend, you want that to be the exception, not the rule. This has been a consistent theme when working with runners coming off of injury and reviewing training logs.
Tosh.O is an ultra Runner?
This is my favorite comment. LOL
I just realized I need more PATH gear....
for race day tip number one... 60% of what heart rate??
Heart rate max I assume