Make it a weekly podcast or do it regularly! I love bring both thinking together, speaking as a person who does a lot of research on systems thinking, what you guys just did is show us the whole picture! thank you
Knowing their material quite well, I find it adding little, other than that it demonstrates their willingness to learn from the other, but again, it adds hardly any new insight. See also my posting higher up, listening to it through the lense of spiral dynamics.
You are both my favourite people I don't know personally in the world. Thank you for this wonderful conversation. Keep doing what you are doing, you are leaving this world in such a better place. ❤
I appreciate how well they disagree. They say it immediately and it results in surprise, laughter, and actual interest to learn what/why. They circle around and try to understand each other's viewpoint, and even if they still disagree, they move to the next topic and carry on a delightful conversation. This was a treat to listen to. I'd love to model this in my own conversations and disagreements.
the way a conversation should be.. go figure.. today people can't even be told they are a little wrong in any aspect of what they say or do.. smh so sad.. i love when someone actually tells me i they disagree.. why is that frowned upon today?
if we had the Simon Senek party and the Brene Brown party, we would save America, because the way these two workout disagreements or differences is brilliant. Unlike our politicians, they dont belittle, insult become defensive or try to compete over who is right. They work on COMMON GROUND and troubleshoot from there. Brilliant!!!
*"You'll watch an entire Netflix series even when the first episodes are slow just because someone told you that 'it gets better', but what if you looked at your goals like that and watched your life get better instead?"* Hope this can motivate or inspire some people. Love from a small RUclipsr 💙
One of the best podcasts I've listened to recently. These two people, both and at different times in my life, inspired me to look at myself - truly look at myself, and drop the fears, habits, and conditionings so many of us are wrap in to finally take a REAL look within and ask, "Are you ready to make changes that will make you feel uncomfortable, wade through the muck of your own BS and recognize the who you are truly and accept it wholeheartedly to discover your deepest, vulnerable and courageous WHY and what makes you YOU?" And I did and it worked - yet, it didn't have in a single ah-ha moment but a myriad and it took time, patience, batting away old avoidant habits, and learning to stand in my energy with a different perspective. Plus, I continue to work every day to keep discovering myself because we are all altered in our everyday lives by those we choose to interact with. In summary - I did the work, let go of expectations of others, and focused the lens on me. Listen to this podcast and begin the work or continue it. Thank you to you both! Much love and gratitude! :)
Knowing their material quite well and I appreciate it a lot. Made me discover myself similarly. I find the podcast though adding little, other than that it demonstrates their willingness to learn from the other, but again, it adds hardly any new insight. See also my posting higher up, listening to it through the lense of spiral dynamics.
Ok so have a talk every so often once a month maybe at least. And do zoom or something so we can see your faces. I’m imagining you are talking while walking along a river. Maybe in the future you can do that. Thanks.
For 2 people who are intelligent and forward thinking, I am surprised you don't get the basics of good communication. Stop with the, "I disagree." Just say.. "ok.. Here's how I see it.." Then, make your point. You don't need to preface it with, "I disagree" because it blocks the flow of ideas... and confuses the listener because half the time you agree. So you obfuscate your own point. You're awesome thinkers... so clean it up. 👍
"I'm hardwired to punch them in the face" Love that Brene pulls no punches. "I disagree" "Go on" This was so great to listen to 2 amazing people in a discussion. They disagree on a few things and yet willing to listen to the others view. "This is not "or", its "and" Brilliant!!! Vulnerability minus boundaries is not vulnerability at all!!! Spot On - such great insight.
"I'm hardwired to punch them in the face, but I don't" Then you really aren't hardwired that way. "So I don't think we disagree" "I dont think we do either" Not sure why she made the statement that she disagrees to begin with.
I'm a huge fan of both Simon and Brene`. This was an absolutely beautiful conversation to bear witness to. Sending to three friends, and hitting play again right now. Thank you both for the work you do - it is changing the world. It has changed me.
Dear Simon, I am the Director of the Bangor Vet Center in Maine. We provide free counseling to Combat Veterans, survivors of Military Sexual Trauma (MST), & bereavement counseling to family members when someone dies on Active Duty as a separate part of the Veterans Administration. Vet Centers are out in the community and we attempt to help Veterans and family members readjust to life as they reengage and return to their community. I have been the director for 7 years and have long said that I framed how I wanted to lead my team based on your "Leaders Eat Last" talk at the Stockdale Center & Brené Brown's talk "The Power of Vulnerability". This is so wonderful to get to hear the two of you have these conversations. Thank you both for your work, your work has had a profound impact on me and those that I serve on my team or anyone that walks through our front doors. Again, thank you both for helping me create & sustain the team we have here. With gratitude, Kirk
Brené is correct about being hard wired neurobiologically to respond to danger/ discomfort. Our autonomic nervous system responds reflexively and instinctually to anything the brain perceives as a threat to the organism’s survival. The brain spends 70% of its time monitoring breathing, etc. That’s its #1 priority. When our environment is not uncomfortable, the ANS prioritizes the monitoring of all our body’s systems: electrical, chemical, muscular, etc. It’s only after the danger is over, that we switch back to using our prefrontal cortex to figure out what happened, plan how to prevent it from happening next time, etc., Cognition is a much slower process. Despite our need to break down what happened into segments to explain it, our immediate survival is not language dependent, or we’d have be some animal’s dinner. Rather we need to respond reflexively to feelings, emotions, and thoughts. My guess is we describe positive emotions (intangible) in terms of negative emotions (apparently tangible) because the brain is wired to be sensitive to contrasts, and the negative ones are more impactful, because inflammation and danger all produce nearly the same neurochemicals. Vision is based on contrasts, as are tongue and throat muscles to produce speech. How we perceive sound changes depending on the contrasting nature of it. Olfactory is the same; notice how we don’t lose our ability to detect noxious odors no matter how long we’re exposed to them. We are able to describe asthma and apnea more readily than normal breathing. I also believe this is why meditation, and being more aware of the mind and body when at rest is so restorative for our health. Wim Hof has done the reverse. He uses contrasting forms of voluntary breathing to train his involuntary responses to traditional threats, like immersion in ice cold water for long periods of time. So much we don’t know, but amazing nonetheless. Great discussion!
So so good. One of the best things about honest, open, respectful dialogue (and friendship!) is gracious disagreement. Simon and Brene don’t agree on everything and the way they navigate and express that is an amazing example of this. ❤️
I have been falling in love with Brene' Browns work for the past year or so, having devoured Simons i am honestly so happy you both did this podcast. Currently listening to Daring Greatly and loving this over some wine while supper cooks. Please make the 15 hour podcast lol
I've listened to this 3 times in tne last 3 days and learned something new each time. 2 of my favorite authors sharing stories and ideas, nothing better.
Reaction to this podcast---These are two people who have told compelling stories, in articulate, cognitively complex language structures, and who live their lives above the viscerally troubling and emotional times in which we live. Apparently. What personal tragedies or emotional storms have they navigated? If they have, and they would tell us about their dark nights of the soul, I would find their perspectives more credible and authentic. I confess to the cynicism I suffer from having lived enough decades to have heard too much from celebrity Thought Leaders who earn their living by telling us all How It Should Be, or How We Should Think About the Big Things. I hunger for the likes of Viktor Frankl, people who share their own stories and the realizations that they learned from them. Sinek and Brown are theoreticians, it seems, who spend their days pondering and proposing, as a means of earning their living. This podcast is a mirthful game of intellectual tennis between pros, and the ball is the sum total of deep human experience that they touch from the safe distance of the length of their rational racquet. If they would demonstrate vulnerability themselves, perhaps they would understand why they, as well as many others, fear it.
Simon asks, “Why is a word like ‘vulnerability’ so scary for people”? Brené’s professional experiences with groups consisting of people speaking some 30 different languages, is that all languages have words that evoke emotional reactions, similar to vulnerability, including the word ‘shame’. She tells Simon that it’s the result of cultural conditioning. I don’t agree with her, as some languages don’t have words remotely close to some English words that evoke visceral reactions in us. In my opinion, “cultural conditioning” is the result of, not an explanation for, the visceral reaction. She correctly points out that humans are ruled by emotions and feelings first, and not by thought. I expected Brené to link visceral responses to the autonomic n.s. Here’s how the body works. First we receive input through the optic nerve, neurochemicals and gut chemicals are released, leading to electrical brain activity, which activates muscle activity, resulting in skeletal movement. A discussion about how words elicit emotions and feelings must be viewed through the lens of the ANS. The brain has a hierarchy of priorities, survival being #1. The brain is always on the lookout for danger. Cortisol, the stress hormone, starts things off, causing sugar to be released into the bloodstream to feed our muscles. If we stop breathing during sleep, same thing happens. The ANS has no way of thinking/processing if you’re facing an armed robber, in bed asleep, or slamming the brakes on in your car, etc. The very perception of danger releases cortisol. What else causes cortisol to be released? The thought of being shamed or being made to feel vulnerable at the hands of others. Cortisol shuts down the prefrontal cortex, removing our ability to process thought. Survival reflexes are lightning times faster than our ability to process thought; they both originate from different parts of the brain. This is why shaming employees, children, or anyone prevents that person from correcting their behavior. Building trust releases oxytocin and other chemicals, that help change our mindset, which changes behaviors through a process called neuroplasticity. Constant cortisol release from unmanageable stress inhibits neuroplasticity. The responses Brené calls ‘cultural norms’ are, in my opinion, visceral responses resulting from changes to our internal chemistry, modulated by the autonomic nervous system, when thinking about our own vulnerability or about being shamed. All of the above supports Simon’s astute observations about believing in a just cause to bring those who believe in what you believe to join your cause, caring, empathy, feeling safe, trust, leadership, not judging, and mentoring. Simon states that asking for help makes us vulnerable, and gives others an opportunity for service. Does that fit with the explanation above? Yes. We know manageable stress is hormetic to the body (a little stress is good, a lot is damaging), so when we choose to reveal our vulnerable side, the cortisol effect is minimal, unless it turns out to be a big mistake, which will result in a lot of cortisol being released. Based on how our chemistry responds to empathy, I would imagine a display of empathy produces positive chemical changes in both people. What an amazing discussion. In today’s polarized society, people need to see what respectful discourse really looks like, and how much knowledge can be gained from it.
Most of the 'disagreement' is only because Sinek views thinking and cognition in purely rational terms. It's understandable because there is a long-standing tradition of that within philosophy and psychology. But there has been significant pushback against that over the centuries, but particularly in the last 50 years, where 'thinking' is both cognitive and affective, and thus what we call 'thinking' is actually a mixture of affective-emotional and linguistic-rational processes.
She has grated on me every since she bashed certain recovery programs but then started regurgitating nonsense about djt as if she's met and spoken with him and also why on Earth would you want a pres that exudes weakness like the current embarrassment? She, on the other hand, was not a kind person in real life, in her University course, she did not practice what she preaches... She's as pinched as she sounds here. But maybe I caught her prior to her sobering up (05/06?). Ok. Done listening. Ugh prefer to just listen to him. But hopefully she speaks to others. Never good to put any human on a predastle - thank God she's not there for me.
Vulnerability and wound have a common root: in german "VerWUNDbarkeit" and "Wund(e)" shows their common root. Remember the roots of these languages you can see in "Wundheilung" and "wound healing" - even smiliar pronounciation Wound is usually caused by an error or something unexpected had happend. Wounds are virtual reminders like scars are physical reminders of errors made or - forged by optism - lessons learned. And the usual counter measure against wounds was armor, the picture a knight in full armor. If you had shared a secret with someone and you were or felt betrayed once you would not share it again and close this vulnerability in your amor. Since the middle age black powder had made the personal armor obsolete - till the tank had been invented and later armored vests for police reappeared but the unvisible armor grew from childhood on . Vulnerability means to might get hurt again physically or mentally. Therefore we train and strengthen our mental health as invisible protection. To allow vulnerability or better to become vulnerable would mean to open a tiny piece of our protection and amour - but that is like draggin the first stone out of wall - cause one will call that hole "not a big deal" while others will fear an unstoppable avalanche or chain reaction. There is a german song with this line "when the first stone falls out of the wall the breaktrough is near". This is a metaphour that things - like your personal amor - will get out of control if the first stone is fallen cause others can look behind that wall. Like the insurmountable "iron curtain" between east germany and west germany mostly known abroad as the Berlin Wall which was close to perfection considering the amount of killed and incercarated that wanted to get over it compared to the tiny few that made it in the 80s. And which american knows that first stone that fall out of the Berlin Wall ? The first were Berlins major Reuter "Nations of the world look at our city" and John F. Kennedy "I am a Berliner" (Berlin citizen) and decades later the hungarians that let east germans cross the border to austria. This was the first crack and stone that was fallen out of that iron curtain or wall and 4 weeks later the Berlin Wall fell. I guess vulnerability is a question of TRUST, and not much more. If you trust you will be willing to share and become vulnerable which would mean in german verwundbar = woundable but woundability does not exist and vulnerability might have replaced it. Might be a question of the roots of a word back in the days when the tribes of angeln and saxxons settled where I lived before they moved to conquer England and melt to a new unity with a melting pot of languages.
So refreshing to listen to this level of thought and insight. The back and forth and working through the differences of thought. So powerful and moving!
most plane crashes are not the pilot`s fault. It's mechanical failures. Just saying. You fill an entire podcast with those types of unfounded comments and you get an hour of pure bllshlt.
I Disagree! Rational thought can inspire some, those where rational thought is how they think. We've all had that moment where we said "OMG I never thought of it that way", even me. It's that missing jigsaw piece and a certain thing now makes more sense. Making sense and meaning through a rationalisation can be inspiring.
At 45 I’m just now getting why I’ve had problems communicating with both partners in business and relationships. Not to say that I’ve never had any great partnerships. I never understood why people have to make things more complicated then it is. It’s one shit test after another and how we learn and deal with these tests are the results of our reality.
I was completely struck by some of the information presented. And I had to ask, why on earth is magical thinking still an expectation here? If a person lives in a very muddy environment there will be a thousand words for mud. If a person lives in a very snow filled environment there will be, and there is, more words for snow than many other things. But here was presented that the language of love needs to be created in order to create love. Bulls**t. It is a much better point of research to find those people whose lives are full of love and look at the details of their lives to see what makes love possible in those lives and not others. I am thinking... someone did this. The experiments on Rat Paradise come to mind. And the economic model of change where I live in the USA leaves me asking who would be losing out if society and economics etc is changed to favor love? Did not someone do a video called take two steps about privilege? As someone who has experienced a great deal of adversity, I find it spectacularly bizarre when those who have not experienced much adversity at all model what it is to cope. It is offensive for people on the sidelines to advise the Jews on how best to tolerate the atrocities of the concentration camps. It is much more respectful to ask them how they did manage to survive and find the limits of humans living in adversity. It is also someone crazy making to expect those jews to say nothing of what they have experienced and form relationships with all that ugly history under wraps with the hopes that eventually people will care about them enough to hear their truths. Human beings prefer to be comfortable and will deny ugly truths they are not personally experiencing. And it was not an inside job to exit the concentration camps. It was not the Jews who needed to accept the situation they were in but the outside world. The people who are not experiencing adversity and have not experienced it often are the people with little emotional stamina. I believe it is the people who are happy and okay that need to be willing to change the world to make room so that all people can be happy and loved. I do not think it is 100% the inside job of the suffering person to change.
I can just hug you for saying that about parenting Mrs Brown!!! We must be the example, we program our kids and thus we make society and future adults. 🙏 Trauma and setbacks brings humans together. It is an opportunity to bind people together, whether male, female, white or black. Inspire on 💘.... Keep playing, keep inspiring and keep loving. 🙏
I really like Brene's comment about the WHY sitting on top of the 3-legged stool. I agree with her. After reading Find Your WHY and going through the process of creating a WHY statement, I had to focus a great deal of thought on my behavior and feelings in many different situations to come up with the words that could summarize my WHY. Thinking about behavior and feelings is how I got to my WHY.
the "finite vs. infinite" game gives me a wonderful framework for collaborative journeys in challenging times - where we have no destination but along the way there are milestones to celebrate and look back
Wow! I just looooved listening to you 2. When I saw this on my way to work, at the traffic light looking for something to listen to that will inspire, I did not think I will find this! 😄. I was so engaged in your conversation that I found myself smiling all through it! I imagined joining in the conversation. That is how similar my feeling / thinking were to the flow of the topics covered. And by the way, I will join the 15-hour podcast...🤣🤣
What I also like about this is that both seem not to be so bothered about how they sound to us the audience (look/sound nice for the camera). Both approach life principles from different angles, and that's the flavor. The conversation is not preachy, each person tries to help the other understand his/her position, but disagreement is allowed...just cool. This conversation oozes with more quality if you've listened to each of them severally before this.
I believe the concepts of start with why and vulnerability with boundaries moving past shame to empathy will live on. Thank Y💙U As a lifetime Ballerina, become (slash) an Accountant, I understand the metaphor. I appreciate both of their books. To hear them discuss ideas together brings my moments of joy.
Loved this pod cast!!! Both are my favorite people - gurus nowadays. Just to add a tip on something you talked about: The three legged stool you talk about is one of the onthological models created by Rafael Echeverría in 1994 in his book Ontología del lenguaje, which is the basis of one, if not the most important coaching model.
I agree with Brene when she says that "you can't engage people in meaningful change without giving them tools and skills which requires new cognitive ways to think about the situation". Humans need a model of reality (new cognitive ways) where you can control inputs and expect certain outcomes (change happens). That's the problem solution. We humans are looking for relationships between events and things and stories carry these "run experiments" where we can draw many abstract lessons from. Without new tools and ways of thinking, we get inspired by a story but don't know how to act ! That's why I have come to realize that you need to learn lots of specific methods in order to be able to act "correctly" and get results.
Brene always thinks she disagrees with Simon and they later realize they were just thinking about the same reality in different ways. It's kind of a waste of time. On a positive note, this discussion is a GREAT example of how people can respectfully disagree and allow each other to think and explain their different ways of seeing things. I'm quite interested to see Simon discussing something with someone who actually disagrees with him.
I think that they are saying the same thing just taking different approaches, perhaps different language; many paths through the forest to get to the other side. Respecting the various paths is important but is one path better than the other? I don't think so. Maybe it boils down to culturally diverse views.
Love this episode, and both of your work. More power to you both. For me, you're disagreements were complimentary (more an AND than a BUT) ...for example the discussion on "vision and story" ...when you arm a story with honesty, vulnerability, NOT oversharing, simplifying the complex, using the right language, creating an emotional connection, providing the listener with tools to affect change, to move from feeling and emotion to cognative, and concious action - combine your work is even more powerful! Absolutely loved the debate and discussion. I could listen and learn from more with absolutely pleasure. P.S. Simon I've always though that the WHY is the seat of the stool, OR perhaps even the stool itself 😉 I teach my kids "Never let anyone stop you from asking WHY in life, school, or business ...it is the single most powerful word in the dictionary, it is behind all human evolution, unlocking all that we know today and will know tomorrow, to deny it (especially in children) is to deny our very existence.
I adored the conversation & the friendly challenging relationship you two exhibited in this connection. Thank you so much for tons of insights, fun & the genuine laughter. @Simon your laughter was contagious 😅
Vulnerability, minus boundaries, is not vulnerability; it can be over sharing, it can be shock and awe, it can be attention seeking. But it’s not true vulnerability; because what you’re looking for, usually when you broadcast, is validation of pain - not connection. wow.
And that is the great tragedy; which is if the impulse is to share it with everybody, put it on RUclips and then tell your close ones everything, the question is where is the friendship? Where is the deep meaningful connection that you can actually share that in a vulnerable state, where you’re not looking for validation, you’re just looking for safe space; a safe harbour. What has happened in society over the past 20-30 years, that we seem to be struggling to form deep meaningful relationships?
Does Brene actually get to talk in this episode? A good interviewer allows the guest to speak most of the time. Why else invite them on. I might be missing something. However, I'm hearing him talk and answer his own questions.
I'm listening to this in 2024 and so many things I agree with. What stuck to me is that we need the why? But, as a nurse, dealing with mental health situations we are told don't as why someone feels that way or an action they took. Sometimes why is the key to the answer. But why is seen as judgemental and negative in that setting. Why is sometimes the key in order to answer the how. I hear the we need to do this and their why but very rarely the answer to how we are to do this in an efficient and thoughtful way. To unite not divide. The division is a choice and we are all losing. The question about defining or thoughts on love. Here is my answer. Love encompasses all that fit together like two pieces of a puzzle that help develop a beautiful picture with all the positive parts making a brilliant new color. Love isn't the absent of pain and hurt, it the willingness to open your arms and embrace because we NEED that centered connection. We have been taught that love hurts and that's where the focus is. I focus on it as an ever evolving connection that needs adjustment as we grow and learn. Love for me is like that well broken in pair of pajamas that you feel comfort every time you put them on. So, for me, every time I am in my husbands arms for a hug or simple touch, I feel love and connection. All of it required presence and work. Love is worth it. I crave it and have it.
Great podcast! A master lesson on respectfully disagreeing and learning from one another, thank you. One thing I would like to ask is regarding women being hard-wired to experience negative emotion. We are historically responsible for rearing children and are physically not as strong as men. Therefore, we have a pronounced ability to sense danger before it arrives which translates into experiencing more negative emotion. I wonder how/if that can be overcome? Or, if it cannot be overcome, how do we best use it to our advantage?
Thank you Brene for pointing out the systemic and intersectionality side during that part in the convo where ‘men are better entrepreneur’s. From one social worker to another it’s really wonderful how you introduce these ideas so naturally and help broaden people’s awareness with that lens! Really enjoyed the convo.
If you don’t share it with someone, it’ll lead to line hiding and faking it everyday. And that’s a terrible strategy to success. But if you share it with someone, they’ll say go on… tell me more… how does that feel? What’re you going to do. That is the start of the process from feeling to thinking, and then you find the solution
Why did someone feel Simon's photo should be bigger than Brene's with what appears to be his arms crossed & like he's looking down on her with a smug look.
I disagree that the baton will not be passed, you have already passed it. No maybe not your company, but there are so many that are looking to their why to move the world forward. There is a lot of what is good in this world, especially corporate America, has been influenced by you and your work.
Part of the reason why people struggle to make connection, at least in romance, is that they've been told it's bad or weird to meet people in the real world. The advice comes from a good place in theory but doesn't work. For example, women have had terrible situations with men cat calling them, drunkenly hitting on them, or being too forward right away. Those circumstances are awful. But then we take those experiences and make blanket statements like "don't bother him/her ever." We imagine the worst. The problem is, that is how people met for thousands of years. Socializing is the most natural thing we all want. But now, almost every man or woman I talk to is terrified of saying hi to someone at an event, class, coffee shop, or wherever. They think "isn't that creepy or wrong?" So instead, we're becoming more and more isolated -- doing online dating and being social through social media. Yet most people don't love those experiences and they can never replace the feeling of looking in someone's eyes and feeling their soul. The silver lining is that I hope after this past year we all accept how important it is to connect with new people regularly.
The thing Simon errors in it good and values. God is exact and cannot change. It's the very happiness that are existence swings upon. The values that we have are the same values that have existed through all eternity. There are the same now as they always have been. So yes life is as simple as good and evil. And it's is in now way gray or of opinion ☝️
So love and adore this two!! I could listen to them all day. I have learned so much from their books, TED talks and podcasts. All blessings and power to you guys.
This combo is the perfect balance. You both became less gimmick-y to me today. I hope you continue this collab. Thank you for what your doing/being underneath your celebrity.
Thank you to both of you, two of my favourite minds, thinking out loud together. I learn so much from both of you. Bring on the 15hr version! Be well 🌹
*You'll realize how far you are in your journey, but you'll soon realize you can go even further and achieve greater challenges.* Keep going my friend. 💥💥
Same for me, and I usually love and follow this type of conversation. But, I think it was actually semantics and splitting hairs. There is a message that was over and above what seemed confusing.
I think I speak for all of us when I say, “Please do a 15 hour podcast together!”
Yes please 🥰🥰🥰
Make it a weekly podcast or do it regularly! I love bring both thinking together, speaking as a person who does a lot of research on systems thinking, what you guys just did is show us the whole picture! thank you
Knowing their material quite well, I find it adding little, other than that it demonstrates their willingness to learn from the other, but again, it adds hardly any new insight. See also my posting higher up, listening to it through the lense of spiral dynamics.
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You are both my favourite people I don't know personally in the world. Thank you for this wonderful conversation. Keep doing what you are doing, you are leaving this world in such a better place. ❤
I love these two!
I appreciate how well they disagree. They say it immediately and it results in surprise, laughter, and actual interest to learn what/why. They circle around and try to understand each other's viewpoint, and even if they still disagree, they move to the next topic and carry on a delightful conversation. This was a treat to listen to.
I'd love to model this in my own conversations and disagreements.
Loved this! I enjoyed theback and forth of ideas. I learned so much from listening to the two thought processes.
Thank you!
the way a conversation should be.. go figure.. today people can't even be told they are a little wrong in any aspect of what they say or do.. smh so sad.. i love when someone actually tells me i they disagree.. why is that frowned upon today?
if we had the Simon Senek party and the Brene Brown party, we would save America, because the way these two workout disagreements or differences is brilliant. Unlike our politicians, they dont belittle, insult become defensive or try to compete over who is right. They work on COMMON GROUND and troubleshoot from there. Brilliant!!!
Two of today’s best thinkers talking and challenging each other. This is heavenly. More more pls.
this is the best episode yet. Simon's chuckles and Brene's giggles are infectious.
*Day one or one day.* *You decide.*
*If you saw this comment, I hope today will be the day one for you.* 🖤
Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.
- Mahatma Gandhi
Spot on.
*"You'll watch an entire Netflix series even when the first episodes are slow just because someone told you that 'it gets better', but what if you looked at your goals like that and watched your life get better instead?"*
Hope this can motivate or inspire some people. Love from a small RUclipsr 💙
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Except I totally give up on the series 🙃
One of the best podcasts I've listened to recently.
These two people, both and at different times in my life, inspired me to look at myself - truly look at myself, and drop the fears, habits, and conditionings so many of us are wrap in to finally take a REAL look within and ask, "Are you ready to make changes that will make you feel uncomfortable, wade through the muck of your own BS and recognize the who you are truly and accept it wholeheartedly to discover your deepest, vulnerable and courageous WHY and what makes you YOU?" And I did and it worked - yet, it didn't have in a single ah-ha moment but a myriad and it took time, patience, batting away old avoidant habits, and learning to stand in my energy with a different perspective. Plus, I continue to work every day to keep discovering myself because we are all altered in our everyday lives by those we choose to interact with. In summary - I did the work, let go of expectations of others, and focused the lens on me.
Listen to this podcast and begin the work or continue it.
Thank you to you both! Much love and gratitude! :)
Knowing their material quite well and I appreciate it a lot. Made me discover myself similarly. I find the podcast though adding little, other than that it demonstrates their willingness to learn from the other, but again, it adds hardly any new insight. See also my posting higher up, listening to it through the lense of spiral dynamics.
Two of my favourite people!!! OMG!!! 💗
And finally the conversation we have been waiting for! ❤
*"You are one desicion away from a totally diffrent life."*
Ok so have a talk every so often once a month maybe at least. And do zoom or something so we can see your faces. I’m imagining you are talking while walking along a river. Maybe in the future you can do that. Thanks.
For 2 people who are intelligent and forward thinking, I am surprised you don't get the basics of good communication.
Stop with the,
"I disagree."
Just say.. "ok..
Here's how I see it.."
Then, make your point.
You don't need to preface it with, "I disagree" because it blocks the flow of ideas... and confuses the listener because half the time you agree.
So you obfuscate your own point.
You're awesome thinkers... so clean it up.
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"I'm hardwired to punch them in the face" Love that Brene pulls no punches.
"I disagree"
"Go on"
This was so great to listen to 2 amazing people in a discussion. They disagree on a few things and yet willing to listen to the others view.
"This is not "or", its "and" Brilliant!!!
Vulnerability minus boundaries is not vulnerability at all!!! Spot On - such great insight.
"I'm hardwired to punch them in the face, but I don't" Then you really aren't hardwired that way. "So I don't think we disagree" "I dont think we do either" Not sure why she made the statement that she disagrees to begin with.
I'm a huge fan of both Simon and Brene`. This was an absolutely beautiful conversation to bear witness to. Sending to three friends, and hitting play again right now. Thank you both for the work you do - it is changing the world. It has changed me.
Dear Simon,
I am the Director of the Bangor Vet Center in Maine. We provide free counseling to Combat Veterans, survivors of Military Sexual Trauma (MST), & bereavement counseling to family members when someone dies on Active Duty as a separate part of the Veterans Administration. Vet Centers are out in the community and we attempt to help Veterans and family members readjust to life as they reengage and return to their community. I have been the director for 7 years and have long said that I framed how I wanted to lead my team based on your "Leaders Eat Last" talk at the Stockdale Center & Brené Brown's talk "The Power of Vulnerability". This is so wonderful to get to hear the two of you have these conversations. Thank you both for your work, your work has had a profound impact on me and those that I serve on my team or anyone that walks through our front doors. Again, thank you both for helping me create & sustain the team we have here. With gratitude, Kirk
Brené is correct about being hard wired neurobiologically to respond to danger/ discomfort. Our autonomic nervous system responds reflexively and instinctually to anything the brain perceives as a threat to the organism’s survival. The brain spends 70% of its time monitoring breathing, etc. That’s its #1 priority. When our environment is not uncomfortable, the ANS prioritizes the monitoring of all our body’s systems: electrical, chemical, muscular, etc. It’s only after the danger is over, that we switch back to using our prefrontal cortex to figure out what happened, plan how to prevent it from happening next time, etc., Cognition is a much slower process. Despite our need to break down what happened into segments to explain it, our immediate survival is not language dependent, or we’d have be some animal’s dinner. Rather we need to respond reflexively to feelings, emotions, and thoughts. My guess is we describe positive emotions (intangible) in terms of negative emotions (apparently tangible) because the brain is wired to be sensitive to contrasts, and the negative ones are more impactful, because inflammation and danger all produce nearly the same neurochemicals. Vision is based on contrasts, as are tongue and throat muscles to produce speech. How we perceive sound changes depending on the contrasting nature of it. Olfactory is the same; notice how we don’t lose our ability to detect noxious odors no matter how long we’re exposed to them. We are able to describe asthma and apnea more readily than normal breathing. I also believe this is why meditation, and being more aware of the mind and body when at rest is so restorative for our health. Wim Hof has done the reverse. He uses contrasting forms of voluntary breathing to train his involuntary responses to traditional threats, like immersion in ice cold water for long periods of time. So much we don’t know, but amazing nonetheless. Great discussion!
So so good. One of the best things about honest, open, respectful dialogue (and friendship!) is gracious disagreement. Simon and Brene don’t agree on everything and the way they navigate and express that is an amazing example of this. ❤️
Could you make a series of you two talking please??? 💕💕💕
Or publish your e-mails and text to one another, right?
Yes!🙌🏻
I have been falling in love with Brene' Browns work for the past year or so, having devoured Simons i am honestly so happy you both did this podcast. Currently listening to Daring Greatly and loving this over some wine while supper cooks. Please make the 15 hour podcast lol
I've listened to this 3 times in tne last 3 days and learned something new each time. 2 of my favorite authors sharing stories and ideas, nothing better.
I’m legit in love with both of these people
Reaction to this podcast---These are two people who have told compelling stories, in articulate, cognitively complex language structures, and who live their lives above the viscerally troubling and emotional times in which we live. Apparently. What personal tragedies or emotional storms have they navigated? If they have, and they would tell us about their dark nights of the soul, I would find their perspectives more credible and authentic. I confess to the cynicism I suffer from having lived enough decades to have heard too much from celebrity Thought Leaders who earn their living by telling us all How It Should Be, or How We Should Think About the Big Things. I hunger for the likes of Viktor Frankl, people who share their own stories and the realizations that they learned from them. Sinek and Brown are theoreticians, it seems, who spend their days pondering and proposing, as a means of earning their living. This podcast is a mirthful game of intellectual tennis between pros, and the ball is the sum total of deep human experience that they touch from the safe distance of the length of their rational racquet. If they would demonstrate vulnerability themselves, perhaps they would understand why they, as well as many others, fear it.
I have been trying to express this very same message and you did it exquisitely.
Simon asks, “Why is a word like ‘vulnerability’ so scary for people”? Brené’s professional experiences with groups consisting of people speaking some 30 different languages, is that all languages have words that evoke emotional reactions, similar to vulnerability, including the word ‘shame’. She tells Simon that it’s the result of cultural conditioning. I don’t agree with her, as some languages don’t have words remotely close to some English words that evoke visceral reactions in us. In my opinion, “cultural conditioning” is the result of, not an explanation for, the visceral reaction. She correctly points out that humans are ruled by emotions and feelings first, and not by thought. I expected Brené to link visceral responses to the autonomic n.s. Here’s how the body works. First we receive input through the optic nerve, neurochemicals and gut chemicals are released, leading to electrical brain activity, which activates muscle activity, resulting in skeletal movement. A discussion about how words elicit emotions and feelings must be viewed through the lens of the ANS. The brain has a hierarchy of priorities, survival being #1. The brain is always on the lookout for danger. Cortisol, the stress hormone, starts things off, causing sugar to be released into the bloodstream to feed our muscles. If we stop breathing during sleep, same thing happens. The ANS has no way of thinking/processing if you’re facing an armed robber, in bed asleep, or slamming the brakes on in your car, etc. The very perception of danger releases cortisol. What else causes cortisol to be released? The thought of being shamed or being made to feel vulnerable at the hands of others. Cortisol shuts down the prefrontal cortex, removing our ability to process thought. Survival reflexes are lightning times faster than our ability to process thought; they both originate from different parts of the brain. This is why shaming employees, children, or anyone prevents that person from correcting their behavior. Building trust releases oxytocin and other chemicals, that help change our mindset, which changes behaviors through a process called neuroplasticity. Constant cortisol release from unmanageable stress inhibits neuroplasticity. The responses Brené calls ‘cultural norms’ are, in my opinion, visceral responses resulting from changes to our internal chemistry, modulated by the autonomic nervous system, when thinking about our own vulnerability or about being shamed. All of the above supports Simon’s astute observations about believing in a just cause to bring those who believe in what you believe to join your cause, caring, empathy, feeling safe, trust, leadership, not judging, and mentoring. Simon states that asking for help makes us vulnerable, and gives others an opportunity for service. Does that fit with the explanation above? Yes. We know manageable stress is hormetic to the body (a little stress is good, a lot is damaging), so when we choose to reveal our vulnerable side, the cortisol effect is minimal, unless it turns out to be a big mistake, which will result in a lot of cortisol being released. Based on how our chemistry responds to empathy, I would imagine a display of empathy produces positive chemical changes in both people. What an amazing discussion. In today’s polarized society, people need to see what respectful discourse really looks like, and how much knowledge can be gained from it.
Most of the 'disagreement' is only because Sinek views thinking and cognition in purely rational terms. It's understandable because there is a long-standing tradition of that within philosophy and psychology. But there has been significant pushback against that over the centuries, but particularly in the last 50 years, where 'thinking' is both cognitive and affective, and thus what we call 'thinking' is actually a mixture of affective-emotional and linguistic-rational processes.
She has grated on me every since she bashed certain recovery programs but then started regurgitating nonsense about djt as if she's met and spoken with him and also why on Earth would you want a pres that exudes weakness like the current embarrassment? She, on the other hand, was not a kind person in real life, in her University course, she did not practice what she preaches... She's as pinched as she sounds here. But maybe I caught her prior to her sobering up (05/06?). Ok. Done listening. Ugh prefer to just listen to him. But hopefully she speaks to others. Never good to put any human on a predastle - thank God she's not there for me.
Vulnerability and wound have a common root: in german "VerWUNDbarkeit" and "Wund(e)" shows their common root.
Remember the roots of these languages you can see in "Wundheilung" and "wound healing" - even smiliar pronounciation
Wound is usually caused by an error or something unexpected had happend.
Wounds are virtual reminders like scars are physical reminders of errors made or - forged by optism - lessons learned.
And the usual counter measure against wounds was armor, the picture a knight in full armor.
If you had shared a secret with someone and you were or felt betrayed once you would not share it again and close this vulnerability in your amor. Since the middle age black powder had made the personal armor obsolete - till the tank had been invented and later armored vests for police reappeared but the unvisible armor grew from childhood on .
Vulnerability means to might get hurt again physically or mentally. Therefore we train and strengthen our mental health as invisible protection. To allow vulnerability or better to become vulnerable would mean to open a tiny piece of our protection and amour - but that is like draggin the first stone out of wall - cause one will call that hole "not a big deal" while others will fear an unstoppable avalanche or chain reaction.
There is a german song with this line "when the first stone falls out of the wall the breaktrough is near".
This is a metaphour that things - like your personal amor - will get out of control if the first stone is fallen cause others can look behind that wall.
Like the insurmountable "iron curtain" between east germany and west germany mostly known abroad as the Berlin Wall which was close to perfection considering the amount of killed and incercarated that wanted to get over it compared to the tiny few that made it in the 80s. And which american knows that first stone that fall out of the Berlin Wall ?
The first were Berlins major Reuter "Nations of the world look at our city" and John F. Kennedy "I am a Berliner" (Berlin citizen) and decades later the hungarians that let east germans cross the border to austria. This was the first crack and stone that was fallen out of that iron curtain or wall and 4 weeks later the Berlin Wall fell.
I guess vulnerability is a question of TRUST, and not much more. If you trust you will be willing to share and become vulnerable which would mean in german verwundbar = woundable but woundability does not exist and vulnerability might have replaced it.
Might be a question of the roots of a word back in the days when the tribes of angeln and saxxons settled where I lived before they moved to conquer England and melt to a new unity with a melting pot of languages.
So refreshing to listen to this level of thought and insight. The back and forth and working through the differences of thought. So powerful and moving!
most plane crashes are not the pilot`s fault. It's mechanical failures. Just saying.
You fill an entire podcast with those types of unfounded comments and you get an hour of pure bllshlt.
I Disagree! Rational thought can inspire some, those where rational thought is how they think. We've all had that moment where we said "OMG I never thought of it that way", even me. It's that missing jigsaw piece and a certain thing now makes more sense. Making sense and meaning through a rationalisation can be inspiring.
This is what our brain should be consuming! I can listen to you two all day!!
I’d most definitely listen to that 15 hour podcast!! You both are great
I love a woman who swears freely.
OMGGGGGGGGGGGG two of my favorites Finally!!!!!!!! I love both of you. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🥰🥰🥰🥰
At 45 I’m just now getting why I’ve had problems communicating with both partners in business and relationships. Not to say that I’ve never had any great partnerships. I never understood why people have to make things more complicated then it is. It’s one shit test after another and how we learn and deal with these tests are the results of our reality.
I was completely struck by some of the information presented. And I had to ask, why on earth is magical thinking still an expectation here? If a person lives in a very muddy environment there will be a thousand words for mud. If a person lives in a very snow filled environment there will be, and there is, more words for snow than many other things. But here was presented that the language of love needs to be created in order to create love. Bulls**t. It is a much better point of research to find those people whose lives are full of love and look at the details of their lives to see what makes love possible in those lives and not others. I am thinking... someone did this. The experiments on Rat Paradise come to mind. And the economic model of change where I live in the USA leaves me asking who would be losing out if society and economics etc is changed to favor love? Did not someone do a video called take two steps about privilege? As someone who has experienced a great deal of adversity, I find it spectacularly bizarre when those who have not experienced much adversity at all model what it is to cope. It is offensive for people on the sidelines to advise the Jews on how best to tolerate the atrocities of the concentration camps. It is much more respectful to ask them how they did manage to survive and find the limits of humans living in adversity. It is also someone crazy making to expect those jews to say nothing of what they have experienced and form relationships with all that ugly history under wraps with the hopes that eventually people will care about them enough to hear their truths. Human beings prefer to be comfortable and will deny ugly truths they are not personally experiencing. And it was not an inside job to exit the concentration camps. It was not the Jews who needed to accept the situation they were in but the outside world. The people who are not experiencing adversity and have not experienced it often are the people with little emotional stamina. I believe it is the people who are happy and okay that need to be willing to change the world to make room so that all people can be happy and loved. I do not think it is 100% the inside job of the suffering person to change.
How interesting, thought provoking & insightful a comment! Thank you, 731margaret.
I can just hug you for saying that about parenting Mrs Brown!!! We must be the example, we program our kids and thus we make society and future adults. 🙏 Trauma and setbacks brings humans together. It is an opportunity to bind people together, whether male, female, white or black. Inspire on 💘.... Keep playing, keep inspiring and keep loving. 🙏
I really like Brene's comment about the WHY sitting on top of the 3-legged stool. I agree with her. After reading Find Your WHY and going through the process of creating a WHY statement, I had to focus a great deal of thought on my behavior and feelings in many different situations to come up with the words that could summarize my WHY. Thinking about behavior and feelings is how I got to my WHY.
the "finite vs. infinite" game gives me a wonderful framework for collaborative journeys in challenging times - where we have no destination but along the way there are milestones to celebrate and look back
"Why" isnt on the stool. It IS the stool (which is why it is so powerful, it engages all three legs, making it the strongest of all).
💯💯🙌🏻
Yes, its the seat that holds the 3 legs together.
Wow! I just looooved listening to you 2. When I saw this on my way to work, at the traffic light looking for something to listen to that will inspire, I did not think I will find this! 😄. I was so engaged in your conversation that I found myself smiling all through it! I imagined joining in the conversation. That is how similar my feeling / thinking were to the flow of the topics covered. And by the way, I will join the 15-hour podcast...🤣🤣
This was the best RUclips video I’ve listened to in a long long long time. Huge fan of you both for different reasons. 💚😊
What I also like about this is that both seem not to be so bothered about how they sound to us the audience (look/sound nice for the camera). Both approach life principles from different angles, and that's the flavor. The conversation is not preachy, each person tries to help the other understand his/her position, but disagreement is allowed...just cool. This conversation oozes with more quality if you've listened to each of them severally before this.
I believe the concepts of start with why and vulnerability with boundaries moving past shame to empathy will live on.
Thank Y💙U
As a lifetime Ballerina, become (slash) an Accountant, I understand the metaphor.
I appreciate both of their books. To hear them discuss ideas together brings my moments of joy.
Loved this pod cast!!! Both are my favorite people - gurus nowadays. Just to add a tip on something you talked about: The three legged stool you talk about is one of the onthological models created by Rafael Echeverría in 1994 in his book Ontología del lenguaje, which is the basis of one, if not the most important coaching model.
I agree with Brene when she says that "you can't engage people in meaningful change without giving them tools and skills which requires new cognitive ways to think about the situation". Humans need a model of reality (new cognitive ways) where you can control inputs and expect certain outcomes (change happens). That's the problem solution. We humans are looking for relationships between events and things and stories carry these "run experiments" where we can draw many abstract lessons from. Without new tools and ways of thinking, we get inspired by a story but don't know how to act ! That's why I have come to realize that you need to learn lots of specific methods in order to be able to act "correctly" and get results.
Lovely 😍😍😍finally both reunited... great discussions
Awesome. Two of my favourite leadership experts!
This is the most amazing conversation... thank you so much to both you beautiful people 🙏🏻♥️♥️ love you
“Vulnerability minus boundaries, and an understanding of why you’re sharing, is dangerous”
Brene always thinks she disagrees with Simon and they later realize they were just thinking about the same reality in different ways. It's kind of a waste of time. On a positive note, this discussion is a GREAT example of how people can respectfully disagree and allow each other to think and explain their different ways of seeing things. I'm quite interested to see Simon discussing something with someone who actually disagrees with him.
Oh just wonderful! So much to take and think about further. Thank you both!
I think that they are saying the same thing just taking different approaches, perhaps different language; many paths through the forest to get to the other side. Respecting the various paths is important but is one path better than the other? I don't think so. Maybe it boils down to culturally diverse views.
Brene' and Simon, an awesome motivating team! Awesome guys! Thank you!
LOL!!! Ya mean a story? 😆😆😁😁 I needed this as my wake up this morning- thank you!
Love this episode, and both of your work. More power to you both. For me, you're disagreements were complimentary (more an AND than a BUT) ...for example the discussion on "vision and story" ...when you arm a story with honesty, vulnerability, NOT oversharing, simplifying the complex, using the right language, creating an emotional connection, providing the listener with tools to affect change, to move from feeling and emotion to cognative, and concious action - combine your work is even more powerful!
Absolutely loved the debate and discussion. I could listen and learn from more with absolutely pleasure.
P.S. Simon I've always though that the WHY is the seat of the stool, OR perhaps even the stool itself 😉
I teach my kids "Never let anyone stop you from asking WHY in life, school, or business ...it is the single most powerful word in the dictionary, it is behind all human evolution, unlocking all that we know today and will know tomorrow, to deny it (especially in children) is to deny our very existence.
What could be better than this?
Thank you.
I adored the conversation & the friendly challenging relationship you two exhibited in this connection. Thank you so much for tons of insights, fun & the genuine laughter. @Simon your laughter was contagious 😅
15 hour podcast = The Infinite Podcast
This was an excellent sharing of ideas. Thank you.
Vulnerability, minus boundaries, is not vulnerability; it can be over sharing, it can be shock and awe, it can be attention seeking. But it’s not true vulnerability; because what you’re looking for, usually when you broadcast, is validation of pain - not connection.
wow.
And that is the great tragedy; which is if the impulse is to share it with everybody, put it on RUclips and then tell your close ones everything, the question is where is the friendship? Where is the deep meaningful connection that you can actually share that in a vulnerable state, where you’re not looking for validation, you’re just looking for safe space; a safe harbour. What has happened in society over the past 20-30 years, that we seem to be struggling to form deep meaningful relationships?
Does Brene actually get to talk in this episode? A good interviewer allows the guest to speak most of the time. Why else invite them on. I might be missing something. However, I'm hearing him talk and answer his own questions.
38:30 "say something."
Responses "its not perfect yet"
Lmao 🤣rofl. I feel the same too
I'm listening to this in 2024 and so many things I agree with. What stuck to me is that we need the why? But, as a nurse, dealing with mental health situations we are told don't as why someone feels that way or an action they took. Sometimes why is the key to the answer. But why is seen as judgemental and negative in that setting. Why is sometimes the key in order to answer the how.
I hear the we need to do this and their why but very rarely the answer to how we are to do this in an efficient and thoughtful way. To unite not divide. The division is a choice and we are all losing.
The question about defining or thoughts on love. Here is my answer. Love encompasses all that fit together like two pieces of a puzzle that help develop a beautiful picture with all the positive parts making a brilliant new color. Love isn't the absent of pain and hurt, it the willingness to open your arms and embrace because we NEED that centered connection. We have been taught that love hurts and that's where the focus is. I focus on it as an ever evolving connection that needs adjustment as we grow and learn. Love for me is like that well broken in pair of pajamas that you feel comfort every time you put them on. So, for me, every time I am in my husbands arms for a hug or simple touch, I feel love and connection. All of it required presence and work. Love is worth it. I crave it and have it.
How awesome. I am a fan of both their works. This will be fascinating.
Great podcast! A master lesson on respectfully disagreeing and learning from one another, thank you. One thing I would like to ask is regarding women being hard-wired to experience negative emotion. We are historically responsible for rearing children and are physically not as strong as men. Therefore, we have a pronounced ability to sense danger before it arrives which translates into experiencing more negative emotion. I wonder how/if that can be overcome? Or, if it cannot be overcome, how do we best use it to our advantage?
Thank you Brene for pointing out the systemic and intersectionality side during that part in the convo where ‘men are better entrepreneur’s. From one social worker to another it’s really wonderful how you introduce these ideas so naturally and help broaden people’s awareness with that lens! Really enjoyed the convo.
If you don’t share it with someone, it’ll lead to line hiding and faking it everyday. And that’s a terrible strategy to success. But if you share it with someone, they’ll say go on… tell me more… how does that feel? What’re you going to do.
That is the start of the process from feeling to thinking, and then you find the solution
Why did someone feel Simon's photo should be bigger than Brene's with what appears to be his arms crossed & like he's looking down on her with a smug look.
I disagree that the baton will not be passed, you have already passed it. No maybe not your company, but there are so many that are looking to their why to move the world forward. There is a lot of what is good in this world, especially corporate America, has been influenced by you and your work.
Hey Simon 👋 you're a great leader 😊
Part of the reason why people struggle to make connection, at least in romance, is that they've been told it's bad or weird to meet people in the real world. The advice comes from a good place in theory but doesn't work.
For example, women have had terrible situations with men cat calling them, drunkenly hitting on them, or being too forward right away. Those circumstances are awful. But then we take those experiences and make blanket statements like "don't bother him/her ever." We imagine the worst.
The problem is, that is how people met for thousands of years. Socializing is the most natural thing we all want. But now, almost every man or woman I talk to is terrified of saying hi to someone at an event, class, coffee shop, or wherever. They think "isn't that creepy or wrong?"
So instead, we're becoming more and more isolated -- doing online dating and being social through social media. Yet most people don't love those experiences and they can never replace the feeling of looking in someone's eyes and feeling their soul.
The silver lining is that I hope after this past year we all accept how important it is to connect with new people regularly.
The thing Simon errors in it good and values. God is exact and cannot change. It's the very happiness that are existence swings upon. The values that we have are the same values that have existed through all eternity. There are the same now as they always have been.
So yes life is as simple as good and evil. And it's is in now way gray or of opinion ☝️
So love and adore this two!! I could listen to them all day. I have learned so much from their books, TED talks and podcasts. All blessings and power to you guys.
This combo is the perfect balance. You both became less gimmick-y to me today. I hope you continue this collab. Thank you for what your doing/being underneath your celebrity.
I love love loved this episode. my two favourite speakers and authors..
Nobody is perfect. I hope one day Simon will see things that Trump did right if he is honest.
Thank you Simon and Brene for the amazing podcast!! You both are my my favorite!! I learn so much from your work
Infinite game- jockeys living their high school days into adulthood
These podcast sessions on youtube could be so much more impactful, if we could see Simon and the guest speaker, than just listening to the audio!!
This is a must watch! Simon Sinek and Brené Brown? 🤩 I'm tuning in!
Thank you to both of you, two of my favourite minds, thinking out loud together. I learn so much from both of you. Bring on the 15hr version! Be well 🌹
i learned something new today :D
That is good question why vulnerability is so scary to many people
*You'll realize how far you are in your journey, but you'll soon realize you can go even further and achieve greater challenges.*
Keep going my friend. 💥💥
I love this!! This is incredible 🤍 thank you both!!
... thanks muchly ...💜 luv n light blessings ✝️💜 .
Infinite game and “54321” thank you 🙏
would you say there are different states/stages of vulnerability?
This is awesome, thank you!
This conversation went over my head around 25-30 mins in. So beautiful back and forth is happening here, involving some elusive concepts.
Same for me, and I usually love and follow this type of conversation. But, I think it was actually semantics and splitting hairs. There is a message that was over and above what seemed confusing.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Simon and Brené 🙏🏻
Two amazing minds coming together for too brief of an enlightening conversation
I say before mabe year and he steem hi to stone wight in metol gold in merrier of ston water full
I freaking love love love love love this entire chat !!!!!!
Please do a Clubhouse together!!!! I'll be a moderator. It would be so awesome!
What a treat 2 of my favourite people at the same time