Are you shooting the right rifle and bullet ? My opinion on the most popular cartridges of today.

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  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

Комментарии • 111

  • @thomaslinton6446
    @thomaslinton6446 Месяц назад +16

    Keep the rack as is....its part of the story of that deer and a great talking point about your hunt!

  • @lz3572
    @lz3572 Месяц назад +10

    Nice buck.
    Probably a once in a lifetime!
    I would leave it like it is.
    But I would look at finding an artist that could paint a picture of it with missing tine put on.
    That would be cool.
    Good luck deciding.
    Cheers.
    By the way I’m 68 and just picked up a 6.5 PRC. Absolutely loving it.

  • @scottknarr45
    @scottknarr45 Месяц назад +13

    If it isn't there when it was shot it isn't there.

  • @ottokittel709
    @ottokittel709 Месяц назад +10

    why make something that it is not! like they say it is what it is. keep it real! I am 78 years old, hunted world wide, and have kept all my trophies real. had a full curle dall sheep the was broomed very heavy (old 12 year ram) and the taxidermist wanted to add to the big ram sure would have been world class looking, but I just left big boy they way he fell. real nice buck young man!

  • @oldtoad76
    @oldtoad76 Месяц назад +14

    Leave it as you shot it.

  • @leroyjones769
    @leroyjones769 Месяц назад +2

    Because your shop is so clean and organized, says a lot. Had to subscribe.

  • @1bobharvey
    @1bobharvey Месяц назад +21

    LOL its amazing how over gunned some guys want to be these days. 7 prc with a 180 grainer in a tree stand back east ROFL. Just bring the gun you use for deer back east, it will be fine. I've seen plenty of elk tip over with a .243 and a 85 grain barnes. The important part is putting metal through the vital bits. Other than that it really doesn't matter if you are using a .50 bmg or not, its gonna run off and you probably wont find it. If you are from back east and have never shot farther than 200 yards please don't buy a 7 prc and think it makes you Quiggley down under unless you have actually practiced and can read mountain/plains winds. Just remember boys, there are bow seasons for all the same critters in all the same places and grandpa did it with a 3030. New rifles are great, but you cant buy yourself into being a good shot unless you count purchasing ammo to practice with.

    • @TheTdwilson
      @TheTdwilson Месяц назад

      I completely agree. I think *most* people have unrealistic fever dreams about harvesting game at yardages greater than 400yds. At the distances 95% game is taken (even out west), a .308Win pushing a 150gr bullet with a G1 of .4 is going to do the job if the rifleman is capable of doing his.

    • @adamwiech4874
      @adamwiech4874 12 дней назад

      A .elk should never be hunted with a .243,,

  • @ThatAngryJho-td3xe
    @ThatAngryJho-td3xe Месяц назад +3

    Those antlers tell a story and let them speak it every time you see them don’t cover them and loose that. I know my first moose rack has a broke off tine from using the antlers as a lever to drag it out of a swamp and I always think of it fondly every time I see it. Your words on not needing a ton of velocity rings very true to my experience getting far more game with cartridges in the 30-30 to 6.5 Creedmoor range than many of the cartridges 30-06 and up that I have used. I am not personally a huge fan of Bergers, eldm and eldxs, but that is because of the significant amount of failures I have seen from all of them with people not understanding how they work or shooting far beyond their capabilities because they have a bullet with high bc. There are many benefits to bullets that work like that, but with my 15 years of big game hunting in central AK and never having a need for a shot over 300 yards high bc is nice though not necessary. Sorry for the rambling, but felt like I would put my thoughts out there while loving my new 7prc with 175gr ablr loads right at 2800 fps.

    • @lurebenson7722
      @lurebenson7722 26 дней назад

      I have lived in Soldotna - Anchorage - Palmer and Wasila over the 30 years and my only work was from my guiding fishing and hunting from SE AK to all the way to the Arctic Reserve around the Red dog mine in the breaks of the Noatak R
      This is my own experience with clients that bring deer guns and deer ammo like the deer gun 30-06 and crap lead core bullet, I was nearly killed by a bull moose shot by a 30-06 that got back up as a approached it then it charged me and I was hit in the face by the horn as I rammed the CZ 550 9.3x62 into the brisket and fired killing the moose that landed on top of me.
      I have east coast idiots bring a deer gun 30-06 on a brown bear hunt in SE Alaska that every time it turned into life of death scare for us to finally find the bear shot and then kill it.
      The next common failure is all brains of lead core bullets than blow up just under the skin of Moose and large bears and even black bears they fail.
      I can't count the times Moose have just shrugged off being hit or gotten back up because a brand name lead core bullet frailer to even go into the vital organs it just blew up on the ribs.
      This was always such a problem I became very warry to walk up to a moose and one moose that could killed up I told the client shoot it again then the client refunded so I shot the moose and that 71 inch horn spread bull got back up ran 100 yards and crashed! If we had touched that Moose who knows what could have happened.
      We found only fragments of the Nosler AccuBond bullet in the neck just enough energy to stun the moose to fall down and lay there
      You should see the look on a client face when I feel the moose or bear isn't dead, I then shoot it again and the animal jumps up then crashed back down!
      I am really thankful back some 15 years ago when the owner of the Muldoon guns shop offers $200 dollars for the CZ 550 in 9.3x62 Mauser to me because there was no ammo.
      It replaced the 338 win mag I had been using and the 9.3x62 Mauser with Barns TSX 286 grain bullets kills everything with one bullet

  • @billcarlson852
    @billcarlson852 Месяц назад +19

    LEAVE IT ALONE…all original 😊😊😊😊

  • @kdean8129
    @kdean8129 Месяц назад +4

    Get a replica made with it repaired and keep the original as is. We used Antlers by Klaus. Highly recommended.

  • @DFREMbowman
    @DFREMbowman Месяц назад

    That is the rack you took him with, and the way he was when you made the memory. Let others enjoy him as such. It is, as you were meant to have it. Just my thoughts. Well done. Amazing buck and an awesome shot.

  • @aarons307
    @aarons307 Месяц назад +6

    Your deer is a giant. A 205" muley....99.9% of hunters will never get a chance at a buck like that. Leave as is. That missing tine may have only been 4" long and should be left to the imagination for eternity.

  • @rosswitte
    @rosswitte День назад

    Always build the tine back even on a smaller buck.

  • @nekminet1315
    @nekminet1315 Месяц назад +2

    The 300 Win Mag with a 10” twist will stabilize the 212ELDX just fine, in my experience
    Keep the rack as it is

    • @Steve-vx2xp
      @Steve-vx2xp 28 дней назад

      The RUclips channel Mark and Sam he shoots at 230 grain burger one and 10 twist out of a 26 inch barrel 30 out 6 to 3000 yards

  • @christojordaan5018
    @christojordaan5018 Месяц назад +1

    Have a custom build 300win mag 28in krieger heavy barrel camber cut for the 225 eld match bullet COL 3.8in loaded with N560 for 2850F/S.I pushed it to 2930 F/S but the best accuracy was at 2850 ten shots .4 of a inc and exstream spread of 15 f/s.Down side of the rifle is it is 16 lbs.Great video 👍👌

  • @johnmikolay4687
    @johnmikolay4687 Месяц назад +3

    Leave it a alone nice buck

  • @forrestsmith1044
    @forrestsmith1044 Месяц назад +1

    For 30 cal bullets you should check out the 208 eldm they have a bc of .69 higher then the 220gr eldx

  • @Accuracy1st
    @Accuracy1st Месяц назад

    I have several 7PRCs. All shoot 3005-3015 fps with the 175 ELDX and 180 BergerVLD with 70.0 grains of H1000. All have 24" barrels but one, which has a 25" Brux barrel. These combos shoot half MOA or less. Brass is either new ADG or 1x fired nickel Federal. Your experience on that mule deer buck with your son's 7PRC just launched my confidence much higher. In my experience you are correct, you do not need peak velocities to kill. I have an old but very accurate 30-06 load that is also extremely accurate in multiple rifles but extremely slow - 185 Berger VLD, Lapua brass, 210 match primer, Varget. It's around 2450fps in my Tikkas and 2600 in my Brux barreled Rem700. Out to several hundred yards, it drops deer and passes through

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      @@Accuracy1st Very nice! I’m sure 70 Gn of H1000 will get ya to 3k . I typically stay at or under hogdon recommended max load just to play it safe and have less potential issues. Especially with customers rifles:) Thanks for the comment!

    • @Accuracy1st
      @Accuracy1st Месяц назад +1

      @@elevationrifles Yes when you are taking into account someone else's rifle you definitely should stay in the safety zone. These loads are safe in all of mine with no pressure signs

  • @tyb3938
    @tyb3938 Месяц назад

    Started hunting elk 5 years ago, shot two five point and 4 six point bulls since then. First two with 139 7mm interlock and dropped in tracks at 85 yards and 291 yards. Lost one with a broadhead and then our gunsmith convinced us to switch to ELDX. Most accurate bullet I have shot, we get 1400 yard 3 for 3 hits at a 24” target at 1400 yard, with a 30-06. BUT since the switch we lost 3 huge bulls two of which we dropped in tracks only to see them get back up and run away with no blood trail. One was upside down for 15 minutes. I then tested at same range we lost last bull and recovered 4 bullets from talcum powder dust backdrop. 3 of the 4 turned to lead dust and copper bits. If you hit a big rib or shoulder they can explode, dumping the energy outside vitals and that is essentially what a police less than lethal bean bag round does. It will knock them down or out but not kill them. I am now switching to accubonds

    • @joeyingle8286
      @joeyingle8286 Месяц назад +1

      Bullets at a longer distance will not just blow up. Sounds like a poor shot. Not trying to discredit you but I think you need to be honest about the situation.

  • @martinburns6250
    @martinburns6250 Месяц назад

    Leave it - gives him character!

  • @ronws2007
    @ronws2007 Месяц назад +1

    I have a few 308s but my 7 PRC has become the everything gun precisely beause I can take it form 100 yards in the woods for a whitetail to 300 yards on Mule Deer to 600 yards on an elk, with the same gun, ammo, and scope on a 20 MOA rail.

  • @misterlewgee8874
    @misterlewgee8874 Месяц назад

    I'd love to see the same talk..but about foxing..300 to 600yards...best BC..lowest recoil etc..

  • @carlwilliams6300
    @carlwilliams6300 Месяц назад

    Keep it the way it is buddy 👍

  • @billyarnold6633
    @billyarnold6633 Месяц назад +3

    What about the 156 Berger EOL

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      The 156 is a great option for the 6.5 prc as well.
      I feel like I’ve noticed the hornady eldx and eldm line being a lil more forgiving to load with.
      The 156 has a slightly better BC than the 147 eldm .

  • @Airohunter
    @Airohunter Месяц назад

    How do talk about the 300 PRC and leave out the 225 ELDM with a .777 BC?

  • @MaxairEngineering
    @MaxairEngineering Месяц назад

    On the rack, my vote is leave it as found. I hate these scorings because they don’t allow for that massive beasts history. That rack tells a story. We don’t know the exact details of that story but we do know that it was a live beast that walked this earth and met with something that took that tine. The story lives in our imagination now.

  • @jaymiller393
    @jaymiller393 Месяц назад

    You need to get some Inline Fabrication mounts for your presses!

  • @RoxVrod
    @RoxVrod Месяц назад

    Love my Bergara HMR 300 PRC.

  • @joeyingle8286
    @joeyingle8286 Месяц назад

    Can you explain why you think the 6.5 is marginal on elk but great for deer? Structurally, they are very similar. Are you saying the higher velocity provides more bullet disruption? Perhaps you need further data points on other 6.5 projectiles?

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      @@joeyingle8286 My only reason to say that the 6.5 isn’t the best rd for elk is they are much bigger than deer.
      I wouldn’t be afraid to take one on an elk hunt occasionally just would not go with that caliber if elk is my main thing

  • @Ryan_YoungUSA
    @Ryan_YoungUSA Месяц назад

    Great vid

  • @bart9324
    @bart9324 Месяц назад

    Personally, I have found that ELD-M bullets have better terminal performance than Bergers, especially at lower velocities. I've had VLD hunting bullets pencil on more than one occasion. When recovered, they were just bent a little bit. The Hornady bullets alway mushroom perfectly. Just my experience, not a large sample size. I think the Bergers are very accurate, but kind of need magnum velocity, and maybe a little bit of shoulder bone to expand well. Others certainly may have different experience.

  • @thebryguy96
    @thebryguy96 Месяц назад

    Repairing the tine is personal preference. It can't officially be added to the score but will add to eye appeal. Either way, the deer is a giant. What state did you shoot him in? Congrats on the deer.
    With berger bullets, do you find the hybrid target or the vld hunting bullets to expand better on game?
    A custom-built 7mm rem with a 1:8 twist will generally outrun a 7 prc in 24-inch barrel, and you can run them a bit hotter. My friends 23 inch, 7 prc likes 2825 to 2840 fps with h1000 and a 180 gr berger or eldm. It didn't shoot well at 3000 fps, and the load is way over 65k psi. I am actually a fan of the 7 saum in a medium length action. They will almost run with a 7 prc, and handloads will usually outshoot the 7 prc factory loads, especially in sub 22-inch barrels for guys shooting suppressors.
    Have you ever done load development for a 7-300 prc? It's quite fast and more efficient than a 28 nosler.

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад +1

      The Vld hunting and hybrid I feel produces very similar results on game from what I’ve seen. I have not done a 7-300

  • @nathanakins6072
    @nathanakins6072 Месяц назад +2

    Do you skip over mono bullets simply because of their bc? Personally I’ve come to realize for myself at least that I value bullet performance and consistency over BC.

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      Ya but a lot of my experience just happens to be with Eld line and bergers . So far I’ve had good enough experience with them to not over complicate it with more bullets:)

    • @ArpexOfficial
      @ArpexOfficial Месяц назад

      @@elevationriflesyou should try the new Barnes LRX 160 gr bullets for the 7mm PRC’s

  • @devonmiller8949
    @devonmiller8949 Месяц назад

    I am getting mutch better velocity out of my 7prc In a 20" barrel getting 2950ish with 175 grain

  • @kennynelson4276
    @kennynelson4276 Месяц назад

    I agree,make a replica with the time fixed ,leave the buck the way it was

  • @williamgaines9784
    @williamgaines9784 Месяц назад

    Would not alter it from what it was when you shot it. If it fell down/ran into something that broke them off afterward, might reconstruct what you recover, but otherwise no.

  • @justacarny
    @justacarny Месяц назад

    If you add the antler, I would make it a different color. You would be able to see what it could’ve been without seeming like you were trying to cheat lol. I think a clear epoxy would be pretty awesome, but black, silver, or whatever color your wife likes would look good too.

  • @rosswitte
    @rosswitte День назад

    Yes build the tine back.

  • @DougJohnson-g5f
    @DougJohnson-g5f Месяц назад

    I'm running 195 @2856 out of my7prc bargara

  • @johnwesely
    @johnwesely Месяц назад +3

    Leave it!

  • @dougwilkinson-uq3xr
    @dougwilkinson-uq3xr Месяц назад

    Make a replica with it built back- have both!

  • @the_every_day_hunter
    @the_every_day_hunter Месяц назад

    Great video ! I won that 7mm rem mag at the raffle I just haven’t set it up yet, what optics would you recommend for deer hunting and possibly mule deer in the future

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад +1

      @@the_every_day_hunter Thanks! Optics depends a lot on the $ you’re willing to spend. IMO the sweet spot for the 7 prc is 5-20 ish. I do a lot of rifles with the Nightforce Shv 5-20 . I think it’s a very durable scope with great glass for the money.

    • @the_every_day_hunter
      @the_every_day_hunter Месяц назад

      @@elevationriflesthanks for the info I’ll check it out

  • @jacobbrazell8684
    @jacobbrazell8684 Месяц назад +4

    You lost me at the whole “room for error” argument regarding heavy recoiling cartridges.

    • @Eye_Guard
      @Eye_Guard Месяц назад +3

      Yup, a few times I was lost. "If you're gonna be putting a shot into the guts or through the liver".

  • @trevorkolmatycki4042
    @trevorkolmatycki4042 Месяц назад

    I would leave the antler natural and do a euro mount

  • @franknilica1652
    @franknilica1652 Месяц назад

    I would repair it I've done several of mine !

  • @D.Rambo32
    @D.Rambo32 Месяц назад

    Remington 700 Sendero SF II .300 Win Mag 1:10 Twist Lapua Brass Berger 215 Hybrid 2.915” Ogive Federal 210 Primer 76.5gr H1000 pushing 2950 FPS now that my friend hits like a hammer 🤓

  • @kylekreider2173
    @kylekreider2173 Месяц назад

    What part of pa you from?

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      @@kylekreider2173 Northwest hr south of Erie

    • @kylekreider2173
      @kylekreider2173 Месяц назад

      👍 I’m from pa so was just curious. I’m on the other side of the state.

  • @TomL3grandsons
    @TomL3grandsons Месяц назад +2

    Leave it alone

  • @cadecoffey7182
    @cadecoffey7182 Месяц назад

    How was the recoil

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      @@cadecoffey7182 It’s similar to a 6.5 creedmoor and low enough to spot my impact on the 760 yd shot.

  • @ANW-cl7bw
    @ANW-cl7bw Месяц назад +1

    I totally get wanting to rebuild the tine, but leave it. It will seem fake even if you get it perfect and can't tell it's rebuilt. It would seem like cheating to me. It's part of his story 😂

  • @Airohunter
    @Airohunter Месяц назад

    Leave it as is, we don’t get to just add points as we see fit

    • @Airohunter
      @Airohunter Месяц назад

      3021 out of my 22” barrel. 175. ELDX and RE26

  • @allanschmitt1572
    @allanschmitt1572 Месяц назад

    I thought it was going to be a video of bullets, cartridges, etc. Instead it was a hornady add. "You need a 7PRC for 50 yard shots in the woods" and for out west a "300PRC should be good for mule deer". Oh well I will try to find a better video. 👍

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      @@allanschmitt1572 alrighty then,whatever you say :) The topic of bullets and weights and BC apply to any cartridge that would chamber and stabilize them. This just happens to be the most popular one people are asking for and for great reason IMO

    • @allanschmitt1572
      @allanschmitt1572 Месяц назад +1

      @elevationrifles you didn't include one bonded or monolithic butllet. Your buck was a great trophy by the way and the good part of the video. But the 7PRC for the woods is a little over the top as a minimum. Based on math not opinion.

    • @elevationrifles
      @elevationrifles  Месяц назад

      @@allanschmitt1572 I don’t shoot bonded or mono bullets anymore due to having better experience with the one I talked about.
      I feel like they are not as forgiving in most aspects IMO

  • @RON-m8c
    @RON-m8c Месяц назад

    🤠 LEAVE IT ALONE AND GET A BIGGER ONE!

  • @CSOutdoors50
    @CSOutdoors50 Месяц назад

    I’d leave the rack alone it tells more of the bucks life being broke then trying to fix it

  • @mikeknape7064
    @mikeknape7064 Месяц назад

    Leave the rack.
    My "king" round is shooting 214gr pills at 3300 fps
    But also have a 7 mag and 257 wby for average range work and hiking the mountains.

  • @reloadingfun
    @reloadingfun Месяц назад

    behind the crosshairs, aren't you behind the crosshairs?

  • @JohnFMacMenamin
    @JohnFMacMenamin 10 дней назад

    Put it back!

  • @WCFD5045
    @WCFD5045 Месяц назад

    Leave as is for sure. It would bother me every time I walked by it knowing that one was fake.

  • @jamiebradshaw-mo1qs
    @jamiebradshaw-mo1qs Месяц назад +1

    Do not tamper with it that would be ridiculous

  • @milo555100
    @milo555100 Месяц назад

    I wouldn’t build it back.
    It would bother me more built back than it would natural.

  • @EugeneCurette
    @EugeneCurette Месяц назад

    I would leave it original

  • @wildnorthadventures
    @wildnorthadventures Месяц назад

    Don’t do it! It adds to the mystique the story the mystery. Isn’t that what it’s all about aside from the healthy meat?

  • @michaelnelson1911
    @michaelnelson1911 Месяц назад

    If you had a picture of the deer before it was broken, then yes. Otherwise no. Leave it.

  • @tonycooper4031
    @tonycooper4031 Месяц назад

    I would fix it.

  • @matthewbooth9869
    @matthewbooth9869 28 дней назад

    Leave it alone.

  • @usafret4709
    @usafret4709 Месяц назад +1

    Leave it.

  • @galenhisler396
    @galenhisler396 Месяц назад

    No, leave it the way you got it .

  • @willielangford1393
    @willielangford1393 Месяц назад

    Please leave it as is.

  • @johnnyunruh3536
    @johnnyunruh3536 Месяц назад

    Leave it how you shoot it

  • @garymongelli7314
    @garymongelli7314 Месяц назад

    build it back

  • @Qsoutdoors-NZ
    @Qsoutdoors-NZ Месяц назад

    Definitely not character is character

  • @KillenNReelinoutdoors
    @KillenNReelinoutdoors Месяц назад

    I guess I’ll go against the grain and say repair that antler, he had it at one point and should be shown at his peak. Congrats on a huge deer man.

  • @chrisfisher3900
    @chrisfisher3900 Месяц назад

    No because you shot a 205 not a 216

  • @Jay-q6t8w
    @Jay-q6t8w Месяц назад +1

    Leave it

  • @natehayes82
    @natehayes82 Месяц назад

    Don't build it back

  • @dlind24
    @dlind24 Месяц назад

    No

  • @waldemarb.3108
    @waldemarb.3108 Месяц назад

    Good work. Thank you.
    Re; Entler NO! Keep it original/natural. Meesing it around would just be a woke.

  • @mikewalsh3000
    @mikewalsh3000 Месяц назад

    Leave it

  • @johnkarlsruher1920
    @johnkarlsruher1920 Месяц назад

    Leave it alone

  • @bogaudette6227
    @bogaudette6227 Месяц назад

    Leave it.

  • @MSHunts
    @MSHunts Месяц назад

    Leave it alone

  • @bradpierce1211
    @bradpierce1211 Месяц назад

    Leave it

  • @JustAnotherGuyAdventures
    @JustAnotherGuyAdventures Месяц назад

    Leave it

  • @diehard8061
    @diehard8061 Месяц назад

    Leave it