You can't get them anymore from ford. They're discontinued. So what I did was get a fuel pressure gauge with a return line on it and run it in line with the Fuel hose to the Carb and on the return line I used a 5/16 fuel hose and drilled a .060 thousands hole in a 1/8 NPT plug and push it down inside the return hose to the tank about 4 inches down inside the hose and then hooked up the return hose to the fuel pressure gauge and it works perfect. No more stupid Factory idiocy.
Now add an Onan generator on my RV into the mix that has its own elec fuel pump pulling at the generator and things get really nuts on large hills and very hot days!! Gonnna delete it And see where we go..... great video!!!
Yo Slick ford was over thinking in the 80’s. If you can wrap your fuel line with something to insulate it (heater hose, hot water tank foam line insulation...). Motor homes were especially prone to vapor lock. The regulator does the same thing as the vapor separator ( if you include the return line) except you can adjust it. Good luck
@@WestHanoverTruckin my truck never ran right, eventually sold sold it and the next owner contacted me a few times with questions as to why might not be running the way it should. I would've never bought that Ford if I had looked at all of the forum discussions. With fuel system and wiring harness issues. I feel for ya. if I had any more fuel issues I was going to ditch the whole system and get LMC trucks single large fuel tank and pump. Mechanical pumps have been in use for decades. Ford was trying to reinvent and complicate the wheel.
@zmurray9499 I appreciate the replay. Yeah, this thing has been a royal pain. I bought it for my wife. She still hasn't even got to drive on the street. Just keeps plugging fuel filters.The fuel system has been a nightmare for sure. It didn't even have a return or that hot start. I ll let you know if it's fix after I try in the morning. . Replace a lot of the fuel lines new carburetor new plugs and wired new distributor. Only has 48,000 miles but sat for years. Previous owner left out alot of fine details. But hey I'm learning just used to working on Hondas and Toyota. These things suck. Have two other bullnoses as well, but they are 86 302 efi 2wd trucks.
kinda funny, I ran across a ton of non-running 80s Ford trucks. Didn't think too much of it at the time but after owning one🤔🤦♂️ totally understand. I own an 84 square body now, wiper switch is the biggest issue with those. A pain to replace, steering column needs to be torn down to get to it. But at least you know the issue and how to fix it.
I have a 1988 Ford with 460 engine I'm having trouble with it starting when engine is heated up it starts fine when engine is cold any ideas what might be my problem
I’ve been trying to figure a way around that dang thing! My e350 motorhome will idle all day long but when I drive it about a mile it dies as if it runs out of gas it starts right back up after letting the pump run and doesn’t go over 50 same thing feels like it’s running out of gas.
No it’s essential just a T. The hot start canister is the same principle but it has no adjustment. The flow should push through the regulator and anything extra goes back to the tank. Take care
Also if I want to test to make sure I’m getting 6 to 7 pounds at that vapor separator that’s now installed can I put a fuel pressure gauge out the top of the separator? Both fuel tanks operate the same so it doesn’t matter which one you’re on I’m getting fuel starvation at the Holley.
@@richardwilliam3757 put the gauge between the canister and the carb(close to the carb). Then you will know if your getting enough fuel to the carb. The gauge doesn’t do you any good while driving, under load. Let me preface that I am not a mechanic. I would ditch the canister and put a regulator on. I have also read that people don’t use a regulator or return line with no problems. I did a lot of research on the fuel systems of these trucks. People are pulling their hair out trying to get their trucks to run. If you could get some proper fittings and rubber line to bypass the canister just to see if that’s the problem.
@@richardwilliam3757 if you don’t have the canister then you need to check other avenue’s. Carb, pumps( highly unlikely both pumps are weak), vent tubes, gas caps(venting), charcoal canister, etc. good luck my friend
I just got an 87 with a boom on it. Had to tow it home, I’ve found an in tank fuel pump in the rear tank (which is dry), and a mess of wiring that doesn’t have power yet. I’ll get to that next. Does that sound like yours? I haven’t a clue what it should look like, have the generator to deal with also. Guess I don’t really know what to ask other than is the pump normal because I’m having problems finding the right three pin plug. Sorry I’ve been under it for two days, any help?
I believe in 87 they switched to fuel injection halfway through the year. Carbureted or fuel injected it will have an in the tank fuel pump. I don’t think wiring etc is similar to the 85. People have had major wiring headaches with the 84-6. You should be able to get a pump wiring harness from Napa or maybe LMC truck. I know nothing about the 87 and newer fords. Sorry, good luck
@@zmurray9499 maybe you can help me with an issue I'm having there's fuel in my oil I have the same setup as you the fuel pump is in the tank but there's just fuel in my oil do you think that a return line will help this
@@rey9584 there are other reasons but the truck would probably be running crappy. Worn rings and or cylinder dilutes the oil with gasoline. It wouldn’t necessarily run crappy with worn rings, Maybe smoke
I just got a old MOTORHOME 1997 Winnebago Ford F53 460 V8 7.5 starving for gas too I dropped the fuel tank an replaced the fuel sending unit put a new fuel filter an a new fuel regulator an I still have the same problem any ideas ??
A 1997 is a whole new ball game. Fuel injection is out of my technology wheel house. Google 97 ford 460fuel starvation problem. There are about four other issues besides your basic pump, filter, switcher/valve. Good luck
I’ve never done it on a C6. Pull the speedo cable out of the transmission. There should be a little plastic gear on the end of it. You can replace the gears with different ratios
@@zmurray9499 Thanks I am about to try it on my 83.. On another problem..I can hear my front fuel tank pump run when I turn on the key...but when I switch to the back tank no sound..??
@@markrosencutter1709 I never heard the front or rear pump run. If it still runs and don’t worry about it. I have a fuel pump replacement video as well. If I had any more problems with the fuel system I was gonna pull it out and put an oversized single tank in. LMC truck has a bronco fuel tank kit. The fuel systems on these trucks are ridiculously complicated.
Take that part off and trash it. Then buy a Holley fuel regulator (or any for that matter) that has a return to the tank port. Hook it up in place and adjust it to 6psi. Problem solved.
Has nothing to do with the regulator. If you have the regulator set at the proper pressure ( and it’s still a dog)then you have issues with something else.
ZeroZeroOne yes, then you eliminate one possible reason for poor performance. The original carb is actually tuned to work best with the emissions stuff though. That’s why I changed the carb. The canister is there to help with vapor lock.
You have no idea how long iv been trying to find out what that is in my motor home that keeps choking out my motorhome. Not gay but wanna find you and kiss you! No parts store could figure it out!
Thank you kind sir, I think🤔😃!! Make sure you wrap your fuel lines with something, I actually used the foam that you wrap your pipes with the previous truck. Vapor lock is big with that era of Ford trucks. Probably even a bigger deal because you have that cab over motorhome situation.
@Redbody77 craters no, that's vacuum lines. Just follow the inlet hose that goes into your carburetor. And if that fuel line leads down to a small canister with flare fittings, that's it. I believe that the anti-vapor lock was only on 460's.
Damn thats a clean engine and engine bay
Thank you for this awesome video I couldn't figure out why my truck is cutting out at 55mph sometimes mechanic tells me it's starving for fuel.
No problem, glad it helped
I really need one of those. Didn't know ford had such an animal.
You can't get them anymore from ford. They're discontinued. So what I did was get a fuel pressure gauge with a return line on it and run it in line with the Fuel hose to the Carb and on the return line I used a 5/16 fuel hose and drilled a .060 thousands hole in a 1/8 NPT plug and push it down inside the return hose to the tank about 4 inches down inside the hose and then hooked up the return hose to the fuel pressure gauge and it works perfect. No more stupid Factory idiocy.
If you still have this truck can you post some info about the ac/power steering bracket? I've rebuilt my 460 but can remember how they go on
Thank you Z. It gets pretty hot here. So this might be an important video for me. At least I know that this is an issue and what the fix is.
Now add an Onan generator on my RV into the mix that has its own elec fuel pump pulling at the generator and things get really nuts on large hills and very hot days!! Gonnna delete it And see where we go..... great video!!!
Yo Slick ford was over thinking in the 80’s. If you can wrap your fuel line with something to insulate it (heater hose, hot water tank foam line insulation...). Motor homes were especially prone to vapor lock. The regulator does the same thing as the vapor separator ( if you include the return line) except you can adjust it. Good luck
I've been working on my 84 460 endlessly the last 2 months and never hated a vehicle more.
@@WestHanoverTruckin my truck never ran right, eventually sold sold it and the next owner contacted me a few times with questions as to why might not be running the way it should. I would've never bought that Ford if I had looked at all of the forum discussions. With fuel system and wiring harness issues. I feel for ya. if I had any more fuel issues I was going to ditch the whole system and get LMC trucks single large fuel tank and pump. Mechanical pumps have been in use for decades. Ford was trying to reinvent and complicate the wheel.
@zmurray9499 I appreciate the replay. Yeah, this thing has been a royal pain. I bought it for my wife. She still hasn't even got to drive on the street. Just keeps plugging fuel filters.The fuel system has been a nightmare for sure. It didn't even have a return or that hot start. I ll let you know if it's fix after I try in the morning. . Replace a lot of the fuel lines new carburetor new plugs and wired new distributor. Only has 48,000 miles but sat for years. Previous owner left out alot of fine details. But hey I'm learning just used to working on Hondas and Toyota. These things suck. Have two other bullnoses as well, but they are 86 302 efi 2wd trucks.
kinda funny, I ran across a ton of non-running 80s Ford trucks. Didn't think too much of it at the time but after owning one🤔🤦♂️ totally understand. I own an 84 square body now, wiper switch is the biggest issue with those. A pain to replace, steering column needs to be torn down to get to it. But at least you know the issue and how to fix it.
Ran across a ton before purchasing mine... what exactly is your truck doing??
Does the tank just need to be replaced, does it do it with both tanks??
Found that oem p/n E3TZ9N176B FUEL SHUTOFF VALVE ASSY. EXCEPT GOOD LUCK FINDING THIS PART. THANKS FOR REPLYING
I have a 1988 Ford with 460 engine I'm having trouble with it starting when engine is heated up it starts fine when engine is cold any ideas what might be my problem
I’ve been trying to figure a way around that dang thing! My e350 motorhome will idle all day long but when I drive it about a mile it dies as if it runs out of gas it starts right back up after letting the pump run and doesn’t go over 50 same thing feels like it’s running out of gas.
Do you have any restriction on the return hose to the tank?Does as much gas go back to the tank as goes up to the Mr. gasket regulator
No it’s essential just a T. The hot start canister is the same principle but it has no adjustment. The flow should push through the regulator and anything extra goes back to the tank. Take care
@@zmurray9499 I don’t think my 83 Ford 460 has a hot tank canister I think it goes right back to the gas tank
Also if I want to test to make sure I’m getting 6 to 7 pounds at that vapor separator that’s now installed can I put a fuel pressure gauge out the top of the separator?
Both fuel tanks operate the same so it doesn’t matter which one you’re on I’m getting fuel starvation at the Holley.
@@richardwilliam3757 put the gauge between the canister and the carb(close to the carb). Then you will know if your getting enough fuel to the carb. The gauge doesn’t do you any good while driving, under load. Let me preface that I am not a mechanic. I would ditch the canister and put a regulator on. I have also read that people don’t use a regulator or return line with no problems. I did a lot of research on the fuel systems of these trucks. People are pulling their hair out trying to get their trucks to run. If you could get some proper fittings and rubber line to bypass the canister just to see if that’s the problem.
@@richardwilliam3757 if you don’t have the canister then you need to check other avenue’s. Carb, pumps( highly unlikely both pumps are weak), vent tubes, gas caps(venting), charcoal canister, etc. good luck my friend
Awesome thank you I'm having the same issue with my 87 mallard going up hills I get no fuel
Glad to help👍
I just got an 87 with a boom on it. Had to tow it home, I’ve found an in tank fuel pump in the rear tank (which is dry), and a mess of wiring that doesn’t have power yet. I’ll get to that next. Does that sound like yours? I haven’t a clue what it should look like, have the generator to deal with also. Guess I don’t really know what to ask other than is the pump normal because I’m having problems finding the right three pin plug. Sorry I’ve been under it for two days, any help?
I believe in 87 they switched to fuel injection halfway through the year. Carbureted or fuel injected it will have an in the tank fuel pump. I don’t think wiring etc is similar to the 85. People have had major wiring headaches with the 84-6. You should be able to get a pump wiring harness from Napa or maybe LMC truck. I know nothing about the 87 and newer fords. Sorry, good luck
Thank you it helped 1000% some on put a home made one on mine i bypassed it thanks
ueo stevens no problem, happy it helped!
Trying this on my E 350 Econoline 460. How do I know what setting to put my new pressure regulator?
Dan Atkeson 5 should be just fine, if it surges going up hill than turn up to 6....
I love your video.😂
Mr Murray did you ever have any issues with fuel going into the oil on that F-250
No sir, atrocious gas mileage though
@@zmurray9499 maybe you can help me with an issue I'm having there's fuel in my oil I have the same setup as you the fuel pump is in the tank but there's just fuel in my oil do you think that a return line will help this
@@rey9584 there are other reasons but the truck would probably be running crappy. Worn rings and or cylinder dilutes the oil with gasoline. It wouldn’t necessarily run crappy with worn rings, Maybe smoke
If you were getting too much fuel via the carburetor it would be running super rich.
You do have a regulator in line before the carburetor. Set at about 7 pounds
Will this make it more fuel efficient
Can't get any worse🤦♂️!! 7mpg going downhill
Hey man so my 84 250 with the 460 has the ford separator in it and I’m having big pro a should I replace that bad boy
Ben Copeland I would just put a regulator on it. Probably less expensive and adjustable.
Z Murray so regulate the feed line to the carb after the while separator non sense
Ben Copeland eliminate separator
I just got a old MOTORHOME 1997 Winnebago Ford F53 460 V8 7.5 starving for gas too I dropped the fuel tank an replaced the fuel sending unit put a new fuel filter an a new fuel regulator an I still have the same problem any ideas ??
A 1997 is a whole new ball game. Fuel injection is out of my technology wheel house. Google 97 ford 460fuel starvation problem. There are about four other issues besides your basic pump, filter, switcher/valve. Good luck
Hey do you know how I can recalibrate my 84 f250? I bought it with bigger tires and speedometer is off
I’ve never done it on a C6. Pull the speedo cable out of the transmission. There should be a little plastic gear on the end of it. You can replace the gears with different ratios
@@zmurray9499 Thankyou
Geez. That. Motor is great ,
What did you set the Mr gasket at ?
Autolight= 4.5 to 6.5, Holley=5.5 to 7.5, Edelbrock= 5.5 to 6.5. I had mine set at seven and it was fine.
@@zmurray9499 Thanks I am about to try it on my 83..
On another problem..I can hear my front fuel tank pump run when I turn on the key...but when I switch to the back tank no sound..??
@@markrosencutter1709 I never heard the front or rear pump run. If it still runs and don’t worry about it. I have a fuel pump replacement video as well. If I had any more problems with the fuel system I was gonna pull it out and put an oversized single tank in. LMC truck has a bronco fuel tank kit. The fuel systems on these trucks are ridiculously complicated.
Do a step up like yours going to find out in the morning if it worked
Take that part off and trash it. Then buy a Holley fuel regulator (or any for that matter) that has a return to the tank port. Hook it up in place and adjust it to 6psi. Problem solved.
@@Joe2-rg4lc I'm pretty sure that was the point of my video🤔
How to fix a good idle but bad acceleration, ie barly goes 25 mph. Wide open ( 600 Motorcraft) carb.?
Has nothing to do with the regulator. If you have the regulator set at the proper pressure ( and it’s still a dog)then you have issues with something else.
Can't read original part on the box or manufacturer.
Mr gasket 9710, if your talking about the original ford part I don’t know(truck sold).
You can stop the video for the fuel vapor separator #
OMG yes! Starvation is exactly the word. Do you think that the original carb word benefit from this mod?
ZeroZeroOne yes, then you eliminate one possible reason for poor performance. The original carb is actually tuned to work best with the emissions stuff though. That’s why I changed the carb. The canister is there to help with vapor lock.
You have no idea how long iv been trying to find out what that is in my motor home that keeps choking out my motorhome. Not gay but wanna find you and kiss you! No parts store could figure it out!
Thank you kind sir, I think🤔😃!! Make sure you wrap your fuel lines with something, I actually used the foam that you wrap your pipes with the previous truck. Vapor lock is big with that era of Ford trucks. Probably even a bigger deal because you have that cab over motorhome situation.
dont know why they went away from mechanical fuel pump on these overcomplicating the simple
Exactly!!! I got rid of that truck along time ago. I now have an 84 Chevrolet with a mechanical fuel pump.
@@zmurray9499 kinda funny cause the port is there on the block for 1 but doesnt have the ticker inside to spin it
@zmurray9499 where would this part be on a 351 85 ? Is it the one that has 3 other connections on it running water thru it?
@Redbody77 craters no, that's vacuum lines. Just follow the inlet hose that goes into your carburetor. And if that fuel line leads down to a small canister with flare fittings, that's it. I believe that the anti-vapor lock was only on 460's.
Mine is at 10 and my doors aren't happy.
Hey