Lost Scriptures: The Book of the Watchers (1 Enoch, Nephilim) - Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Some believe the ancient Book of Enoch is a book of Scripture and so Jimmy Akin and Dom Bettinelli continue their discussion of the book, focusing on the first known as the Book of the Watchers, which focuses on angels, fallen angels and demons.
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Further Resources:
• The Watchers in Jewish and Christian Traditions (essay book): amzn.to/4dddwJZ
• 1 Enoch (Hermeneia translation): amzn.to/3ylhEIW
• Michael Heiser’s book A Companion to the Book of Enoch, vol. 1: amzn.to/4dcw5OB
• Michael Heiser’s book A Companion to the Book of Enoch, vol. 2: amzn.to/4cjx5PJ
• Philip Long’s book The Book of Enoch for Beginners: amzn.to/3AfPaAQ
• Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible: amzn.to/46B2zzk
• Hermeneia Commentary on Enoch, vol. 1: amzn.to/4dxRJfX
• Hermeneia Commentary on Enoch, vol. 2: amzn.to/4dpIz58
• Bruk Ayele Asale’s book 1 Enoch as Christian Scripture: A Study in the Reception and Appropriation of 1 Enoch and Jude and the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Canon: amzn.to/4fDrqqk
The nephilim are so interesting to me. It’s strange that so many cultures have similar stories. The Nephilim, the annanuki, the titans. Seems like many different people believed in spiritual/man hybrids
Had to leap over from X just now, where I got notification your new episode is just up online,; because, RUclips notifications-system failed to notify me (even though I am subscribed with the bell rung to be notified.) This show is one of the highlights of every week for me. Thank you Jimmy, Dom and crew!
@JimmyAkins Can Catholics believe that Demons are nephellim spirits as different type of demon while accepting Doctrine of Catholic Church that Demons are also Fallen Angels??????
IDK if I truly believe that all UFO/UAP are "fallen angels" but I have to admit if they are that its a 5D chess move.
First plays "gods" like sumarian annunaki then play ETs with advanced knowledge to a secular society
It doesn’t seem to me that Enoch describes the evil watchers repentant - it seems more like crocodile tears. I can be sad that I will be punished without being repentant for my sin.
I agree. Sort of like Sauron after the War of Wrath, or Saruman's spirit looking West, before being turned away.
The Watchers, angels and demons can't repent or change their minds, they are either good or bad; they don't develop thru time like us humans.
Yes, but who watches the Watchers? 😮
Doing the Jimmy Akin thing: Liking, Commenting, and Subscribed!
Not mentioned, but I found the podcast on Spotify, which I prefer so I can listen while driving.
This episode was thoroughly enjoyable! Thanks Jimmy and Dom!
I’m pretty sure I learned somewhere (either an etymology podcast like The History of English or a random trivia night in university 😅) that in Old English, “apple” originally just meant fruit, like any fruit in general. So you might have a tomato apple, or a peach apple, or a berry apple. When the Bible stories got translated into Old English with St Augustine of Canterbury, they just used “apple” because it could mean any fruit, and Genesis doesn’t say what fruit it was. “Deer” and “corn” worked similarly: “deer” meant any creature you can hunt, and “corn” meant any grain…. I could be mistaken, but that’s what I recall, at any rate. God bless.
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Pretty much every fruit we eat today is engeneered and didn't exist then. Even an apple which comes from china wouldnt even resemble our apples today so you may be right
Jimmy would you ever consider debating Tovia Singer on OT prophecies of the messiah (especially the “two powers in heaven” mentioned in the Prophet Daniel, and also the suffering servant of Isaiah)?
I love that you mentioned the agrapha, can you do an episode on them?
Angels are a challenge/contradiction to some Protestant sects that pound the "one mediator" drum against intercession and overemphasize God's sovereignty to the exclusion of His court.
I love learning about ancient Jewish mythology and beliefs! I've been using it for world building in d&d campaign to set the groundwork for the world’s morality and beliefs, then to have more Catholic ideas evolve out of them. It’s a great way to teach my players about theology!
Great show!! Looking forward to next weeks mysterious episode!
Thanks Jimmy. This is very important for us for understanding scripture, especially the book of revelation.
The way you explain things is so clear, thank you 🙏
Jimmy & Dom, thanks for this series on lost scriptures. I have not had the opportunity to read the lost scriptures but having your in depth survey has been interesting and informative. Thanks!
Fantastic episode Jimmy!! I read the (well I listened to someone else read it on YT) a few years ago, and I REALLY enjoyed it. I immediately saw all the parallels with Revelations (so I was super glad you confirmed that!!) IMO, more Catholics should read the book of the Watchers. It helps give you a fuller picture.
Thanks for the lost scripture series. It is a lot to take in, your explanations are very helpful.
Thank you Jimmy and Dom for a great episode!
Truly a great video, fascinating topic. 😊
I used to get very scrupulous about this book because of some scary implications. The giants, for instance, seemed incapable of being godly from the moment of their existence. I know now that God gives enough grace for all creatures of reason to choose Him. But at the time it made me wonder if I could be doomed no matter what - sort of like in the Calvinist sense.
Jimmy akins Can Catholics freely believe Demons are nephellim spirits while accepting Doctrine that Fallen Angels are also Demons amd they are different types of Demons????????
Amazing
This should be made into a movie.
Wasn’t stuff from the Book of Enoch incorporated into Darren Afronsky’s 2014 Noah film?
They did. It sucked.
Well here’s what SQPN says about the next episode: Coming in August on Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World: Lost Scriptures: The Book of Enoch and The Book of the Watchers; Guardian angels (next episode); A Remote Viewing Experiment; and Neanderthals in Genesis and More Weird Questions.
BuxWV 51, the cantata “Ihr liben Christen, freut euch nun” by Dietrich Buxtehude, includes a charming setting of the verse from Jude, in German of course, “Siehe, siehe, der Herr kommt mit viel tausend Heiligen…”
Well now I'm in the mood for some Fields of the Nephilim.
Thanks, guys! Very well done.
Brilliant! This is one of my favourites!
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Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich talks about this. She said that when the angel’s fell God cast them down but a few of them had a tiny bit of regret so God banished them to a mountain top for a time before banishing them to hell. When Cain was banished he also moved toward this same mountain. The women of Cains tribe went up the mountain and became possessed by the fallen angels. They were taught spells, sexual depravity, and witchcraft. Either they mated with the fallen angels or the women were so possessed that when they mated with their spouses the result was evil giants. These are the people who walked the earth with Noah. They were so evil and abundant that God wanted to destroy the earth. During the flood the people died and the fallen angels took to the sky.
Can you provide a citation for where she discusses this (book and chapter or page number)?
@@JimmyAkinMystical City of God!! Talk about that one Jimmy!!
What are the chances that the oldest heaviest megalithic structures on earth were built by Nephilim?
We started the episodes on Enoch because there weren't many scripts in the cue. Now this is the last one. Should we be worried?
I've written scripts for 9 more episodes . . . so far. 😊
@@JimmyAkin …in the mid-90’s there was a Denzel Washington movie called FALLEN that featured the angel/demon Azezale, but they pronounced it “Uh-zay-zul ”. Good movie.
Enoch sounds very similar to the Greek story of the titans & Zeus. So which came 1st? The Watchers or the Titans?
In my ignorant opinion I think the history & legends of Israel are much older than the myths of the Greeks.
Please correct me if I’m in error.
That asks the question how far back do the stories in the books of Enoch go? Jimmy goes with Shcolars dating this text to the second temple and Maccabean period. This time period puts the jews in contact with the greeks. That does open the possibility the stories in the books of Enoch being inspired by contact with greek myths.
It really depends on your idea of the origins of mythology.
It could be that the War of the Giants happened and the Greeks (and pretty much all near-eastern cultures) took that story and interpreted it as the Gigantomachy myth.
@@jeremysmith7176That's an interesting theory.
That seems to be when it was written, but in many cultures non written works are much older. The Celtic myth weren’t written down until quite late in their history.
Jimmy 👍🏻
Would it be safe to assume the flood lasted so long so it could wipe out the giants? I should probably finish this video before asking but, I'm impatient lol. Thanks for your awesome videos Jimmy!
So this is just super dank gnostic mythology with a Judeo-Christian twist. Hm, intriguing and neat book, but should not be taken literally, like greek mythology. Gotcha, nice video Jimmy, hope you're doing well! God bless!
Amen!
Do you have an episode on/ would you do an episode on the 2nd incursion (when the angels came down to mate with human woman for the 2nd time (post flood I think))?
Why do some bibles: not have Azazel in Leviticus 16:10… some translations just have scapegoat but never mention Azazel
Personally my guess is that Enoch received private revelation and some of the things that he received were preserved through oral tradition. Over time, human authors added to this tradition and embellished, drawing from mythology.
While he may not have known that the Book of Enoch was not inspired scripture, the Holy Spirit protected Jude and prevented him from recording anything false into his own book.
The task that God gave Enoch-- and again this is my personal speculation-- was probably not meant to Aid in our salvation and therefore was not meant to be recorded as scripture. There may be true things or nearly true things within the Book of Enoch but for example if his task was to reprimand the demons and be an instrument to God to show them that their crocodile tears won't prevail, that "truth" shouldn't tri k you into believing the myths in the bookand it's probably not useful to us as Christians.
Thank you ❤
I have lots of questions about the Nephilim - but don't want to add here. I have been waiting for someone with authority - others in which I and other view as reputable Catholic scholars - to explain a lot of your mysterious world topics. Most of them don't, won't, or are uncomfortable with these topics. So many Catholics who do content don't necessarily know their Catholicism well enough to be applying Catholicism "faith and reason" to such topics or any other topics. I go to referrals by the people I know are.
let’s go!
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The problem with interpreting “Sons of God” as angels is that angels are not sexual beings and cannot reproduce with humans, that is a crude understanding of angels
In near-eastern cultures, you would have a temple prostitute who would mate with the king. Before that mating, one of them would preform a ritual inviting one of their gods to possess them. If the mating resulted in a pregnancy, they would attribute the child to the god as the parent.
Jimmy covered that aspect in episodes covering demons - basically they can manipulate matter that already exists and then go from there to impregnate the victim.
I believe Aquinas' angelology is lacking because he didn't have access to texts like Enoch.
Does Jimmy sound extra Texan?
the nephilim always brought a very interesting question I haven't yet found a satisfactory answer to. it's short and simple but seems to be very hard to answer. why did God make the watcher angels anatomically correct?
According to this episode, it's likely just a metaphor.
They would have taken the form they wanted. Apparently they can also take the form of beasts.
With that sort of crop yield, I hope heaven has an equally fruitful weight loss pill!
What happened to Jimmy's accent? Now he has a southern accent all a sudden
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Take the like button out on a first date. LOL.
The world is flat.
Someone is impersonating Jimmy Akin and is asking for money, beware.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And y'all say that the Book of Enoch is about the Watchers and destruction and wrath. I question y'alls mental capacity. It should not be in the Bible. According to the verse written above, do you think after the books were written way back ago that it could go any other way than the way they describe it? Who was Enoch?
Genesis_4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Both Enochs came from Cain. Which one wrote the book?
The life of Cain can go no other way than what is written. Enoch (both) came from a line of violence. They themselves can go no other way, their DNA.
Who was Lamech?
Genesis_4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
Genesis_4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
Genesis_4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Noah came from Lamech. Our races ascended from Noah. There is no departing from the violence that plagues us.
Who was Moses?
Exo 2:11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
Exo 2:12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
Exo 2:13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
Exo 2:14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
The DNA of Cain. Do y'all believe in this whole panorama drama being a simulation of our interpretation of the DNA of Cain? Not that it is false, but a re-presentation from long long ago. It can go no other way. God does not change.
Why would an omniscient God need squads of earthly observers?
He doesn't need them, but he gives a purpose for each of his Creatures.
@@Bel1964inda doing work that doesn't need to be done isn't purpose, it's just tasking. Make-work to keep someone busy.
He doesn’t need us either, but here we are.
@@lordwife equally without purpose, similarly tasked with make-work until we die, then the real suffering begins.
@@leoncaruthers maybe for you? I’m sorry you have no hope in your life.
Jimmy akins are full of pride
Linda, when you have the skill and understanding to support it pride is not bad, just as desiring your husband is not bad.
It becomes bad if it is unjustified or directed improperly.
Be more humble
Because you are better and also have the decades of study of ancient hebrew and the earliest surviving biblical texts?
I can't stand listening to the rhythm of Dawn's voice. It's so fake and forced painful to listen to.
That’s very much your problem and a rude thing to say
I really hope you learn to be more kind, less rude and mean spirited. Did your mother never tell you; "if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything?"
No one forces you to watch.
Maybe you could start your own show and we’ll all listen to it!
I never noticed any such thing.
He uses a measured and precise speaking voice for the show so nothing is misunderstood