Pros/Cons of Owner Training

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  • @2infinitynbeond
    @2infinitynbeond 9 лет назад +20

    I'm a veteran with ptsd, and every place I've contacted about a service dog has a 2 year or more waiting list. I am now self training my lab Katie.

    • @MsPoprouge
      @MsPoprouge 7 лет назад +5

      I'm a 100% service connected disabled veteran. I do NOT have PTSD but have other service connected disabilities that definitely benefit from a service dog, medical, mobility & mental. I haven't found one organization catering to disabled veterans unless it was a PTSD dog, and many from 911 post. I'm a dessert storm vet. Because of this I too decided on the owner trained route. Mainly because I can specifically tailor my SDiT to meet my particular needs vs a dog that is tasked trained for one or the other. Good luck with Katie.

    • @laurac5451
      @laurac5451 7 лет назад +2

      I have wicked PTSD thank god the government allows us to train our dogs.

  • @misshelloareyouthere
    @misshelloareyouthere 8 лет назад +30

    COST, People train their own dog because of HIGH service dog training cost.

  • @dogtraininginthedark
    @dogtraininginthedark 8 лет назад +6

    I am currently training my third service dog. My first was an English Shepherd named buddy. My second dog was an Anatolian shepherd named Dewey. He was born on the day buddy died. I lost him in February of this year. It was Friday the 13th to be exact. My current prospect is a six month old black cross of everything named onyx. Although buddy and I had an intense bond it was nothing like the bond Dewey and I had. I miss him every day. He was such an ambassador for the service dog community and dogs in general. He was a dog I rescued from the pound that everyone told me would have to be euthanized because he was too big, too dangerous, etc. When people saw me in my local community without him, and they asked where he was, and I told them that he had passed away, many cried. There is a saying that goes something like once you've had a wonderful dog a life without him is diminished. That is so true. I keep telling Onyx that he has big pause to fill, but he just wags his tail and licks me. He so young and so eager. I am for owner training all the way!

  • @riddicksraven
    @riddicksraven 6 лет назад +1

    My daughter's is being owner trained, and I would highly recomend a trainer. We are blessed with our trainer Abigayle from Petco. She's worked with dogs her whole life and is also a SD trainer. She is amazing and funny! She has helped us go to whole other levels that we wouldn't have been able to go with on our own. Don't be afraid to ask for help. It does take a huge amount of time. My daughter's dog in a few weeks is about to get a huge test, the hospital. He does wonderful and flawless in dr. offices and the staff always love to see him.

  • @kaylaoyen2774
    @kaylaoyen2774 9 лет назад +6

    I am so happy you mentioned that most organizations that train PTSD service dogs will not place them with someone who is not a veteran. I have debilitating PTSD and was unable to find any organization that would place a dog with me let alone any kind of funding since I am not a vet. I suffer from hypoglycemia as well and like you said an organization for diabetics alert will not cross train. In the end I have a 5 month old lab mix who is wonderful that is part owner/ private party trained.

    • @dogtraininginthedark
      @dogtraininginthedark 8 лет назад +1

      Try possibility dogs Inc. I think they might be able to help you. By the way, I am in no way affiliated with this organization. I do know it's founder, we used to be on a search and rescue team together. But I'm not affiliated with her organization now. I'm a Lonewolf in the training department. I like to do my own thing and be my own boss.

    • @shannagilpin2514
      @shannagilpin2514 6 лет назад

      Think PAWsitive when looking into getting my PTSD service animal no one was willing to even interview for me because I’m not a veteran. That’s why we have chosen to self train

  • @lisahendrix6610
    @lisahendrix6610 6 лет назад

    I have a Psychiatric and Medical Alert Service Dog. I have blood pressure problems and a hyperactive panic disorder. Both mix with each other. Panic attacks make it go sky high and it can drop really low. I owner trained my dog and she’s perfect! It was definitely hard and discouraging at times but it was all worth it!

  • @longtail4711
    @longtail4711 9 лет назад +12

    Definitely going to have to owner train. We're working on raising the funds and I'm just really hoping I can find a trainer to ask questions with. For now I'm practicing with our pet dog (who we already know is not SD material and isn't in consideration for becoming one).

    • @MsPoprouge
      @MsPoprouge 7 лет назад +6

      Some really good Facebook groups under owner trained. Everyone there has been super helpful in answering questions and providing information for the tasks I need to train in.

  • @MsStormkitty
    @MsStormkitty 9 лет назад +1

    Awesome information Thanks for sharing ... I am owner training with the help of a program 2 states away I can at least ask questions when bad days happen .They do happen and that is something to be prepared for some times it can feel insurmountable The best part is my girl knows me almost as well as my hubby..

  • @eldavey74
    @eldavey74 9 лет назад +1

    Well said!!
    From and EDSer with owner trained SD. If there were other options for me I would have gone another way but that is not the case.
    There are NO ADI schools with mobility dogs for balance that could help. The ADI needs to invest in trainers not just schools or organizations.

  • @celticrose9145
    @celticrose9145 9 лет назад

    Totally loved this video. Well needed! I shared this in the Psychiatric Service Dogs group on FB. Thank you for this wonderful video. All your videos are truly awesome. My SD is owner trained. My daughter's SD is also owner trained. I hear plenty about the lack of family support, which someone also listed here, but ya know that is one thing I can't ever accept. My husband is gone for 3 to 4 weeks at a time now. It's just my daughter's, our dogs and myself. We have no family at all near us to help with anything. I feel the lack of family support is just an excuse.

  • @kmelodyg
    @kmelodyg 7 лет назад +2

    Thank you for sharing this. I have several chronic illnesses that are complicated. I would need to train my dog for many different things because of it. I'm considering this now. I'm glad that you said EDS. Not many people are aware of that condition.

    • @likeabunnie
      @likeabunnie 6 лет назад

      Kathryn Argiro I got so excited that she said EDS! I have TBI and PTSD (not from military) but EDS and autonomic dysfunction (potentially POTS) are my main current struggles... But I'm tickled pink that she mentioned EDS, and I feel so much better about my choice to self train... My dog picked me, anyways, and I don't have the money to do otherwise, but this discussion was SO HELPFUL at reaffirming to me and making me realize significant reasons why it makes so much sense for me to train my boy (I already have been anyways, but now it makes me glad that I am, even if money weren't such a huge reason (and if I didn't have a dog who just started naturally picking up on things and halfway training himself with several helpful tasks... It's a bit ironic that he's learned to do several tasks to mitigate my disabilities, and he's brilliant, I just need to work more on basic obedience type stuff before we can get close to public access... For now he's my service dog when I'm home... I definately wish I had more energy etc to work with him outside the house more, I'm hopefully getting a wheelchair soon though so that opens so many more possibilities (for me to be able to do more ;))
      :)

  • @darkwisteria9120
    @darkwisteria9120 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you for mentioning EDS!

  • @KittyTvvlogs
    @KittyTvvlogs 8 лет назад +1

    I loved your video, I am owner training my own service dog. I know for a fact I can do it though because my dog is doing very good. She just learned sit and I just got her a month ago on November 21st. I have quite a bit experience training dogs . When I was a teenager I tough our family dogs some basic obedience stuff and they learned very well and turned out to be great dogs. Also, when I was still living in the house I lived in for 10 years I trained my dog which I'm not sure which of our dogs it was it was either Sally or Eby (short for Ebony) to open the garden gate and that was not easy. I showed her with my hand how to open the garden gate by showing her how I would open it as if my hand was a paw and she learned it extremely fast and I was only like 12 or 13 years old. So for a kid that young I think I was just blessed with a gift of being able to train dogs. Either way, I fully support owner training dogs because yes it does form a strong bond between the handler and the dog. If you get one trained for you agree the bond is not as strong as a dog whose owner trained. I'm just glad I found your video it cleared up the pros and the cons of owner training so thank you. I needed a little pat on the back so I'm glad I found this video because I was having doubts about owner training because it is very frustrating. But apparently I'm doing a good job with it because she learn sit in such a short period of time. She actually sits within like 5 seconds after I say "sit. And I am very proud of my accomplishment.

    • @infuzionacademyofmusic9916
      @infuzionacademyofmusic9916 8 лет назад +2

      I am currently training my daughter's service dog. I know the law states that service dogs are not required to be ID'd or wear vests, but I am curious to know what you do with your dogs once they are trained (and even as they are training) when it comes to access issues. We are already running into this a bit.

    • @larylindsay6640
      @larylindsay6640 7 лет назад +1

      Federal law does not provide any public access rights for dogs in training. Some states may, check your state law. Federal law may not require you to have your dog wear a vest or other service dog identification, but you will find life easier if your dog does wear some identifying gear. For access while in training, you will have to obtain permission from the places you want to train in. Pet stores can be a good place to start, as they usually permit pets. However, I would aim to go when they are not busy, as some of the other pets and their owners can be quite rude, and you don't want your dog to have a bad experience.

  • @RoseFang
    @RoseFang 9 лет назад +1

    I'm about to start training a new puppy to retire my old boy (don't tell him he's retiring). I always get so terrified when a new dog comes into my house but it's so worth it =)

  • @wheeeliegirl
    @wheeeliegirl 9 лет назад +1

    I choose program training from a local program. Simply because I dont have the family support needed for that much owner training. But I have added my own taks. So I guess I kinda did both

  • @georgeweber8067
    @georgeweber8067 9 лет назад

    Tatyana,
    I stumbled across your channel this week and love it. You are a very good speaker and give a lot of educational information. I am self training my dog. You had mentioned in one of your blogs about how you never get to be with others with service dogs. I would love to meet sometime and talk about training and anything else. I live in China and come to Waterville to shop all the time. Keep up the good work!

  • @00Kal00
    @00Kal00 9 лет назад +1

    I owner trained my rescue boy who is my mobility dog, all by chance and luck actually. My diseases set in a few months after he was adopted and his training more formal training started almost a year later(he was always training, but not SD training, just general dog training). He is no longer in training, but in three years he will be too old for mobility work. We have been looking at breeders for the past two years, and breeds, and have finally settled on a samoyed for my next mobility dog. It took me forever but I finally found the perfect breeder. She have five generations of health testing, she has placed service dogs before, the puppies are introduced to stimulus before they go to their new homes... we chose samoyeds because of their temperament, size, and if he washes out he would still be a breed we would like as a pet. I've worked with training animals(horses and dogs) my whole life and despite our precautions I still always fear a wash out, especially with how much the puppy will be costing. He is in the process of being made right now :P Should be here by July, and then three years before he is ready for full duty, hopefully it all goes according to plan.
    We have an entire puppy training and desensitizing room in construction right now, already have training schedules and plans for places to go for socializing and desensitizing. I have a seizure disorder and multiple autoimmune diseases, so owner training, like you said, allows me to cross train in several directions. So excited for our boy!

    • @dogtraininginthedark
      @dogtraininginthedark 8 лет назад +2

      It sounds like you were doing the right thing. You sound like me, with lists in plans and places and things to go and do and see. I have been training dogs for 25 years now and have trained them for service work, search and rescue, police work, explosives detection, and many other things. I can say though that the one thing I haven't done really ever is train A persons pet in basic obedience. Although I think that's more training the person that it is training the dog. I have lupus, multiple sclerosis, asked burgers syndrome, and many other things. You can make training a challenge. Every day is a training experience. In my case, there is a saying that applies. Old trainers don't die they just drop on recall. I should also mention, that if there are any spelling or typing errors in this post, it's my iPhone's fault not mine. I am having a low vision day, optic neuritis, and I am using the dictation feature on my iPhone. For those others of you who use iPhones, have you noticed that she doesn't hear very well ? Maybe my iPhone needs a hearing dog?

    • @DedraAmbroseandSnow
      @DedraAmbroseandSnow 7 лет назад +1

      Jordan Bennett lol maybe it would help your i phone.

    • @renleanne3804
      @renleanne3804 7 лет назад +1

      Jordan Bennet I know what you mean about the iPhone and dictation. I have a German and Southern U.S accents and the iPhone very seldom understands a word I say. They need to do a serious upgrade and make the speech recognition more accurate and able to understand better.

  • @Dinopoodles
    @Dinopoodles 9 лет назад +1

    In Concordia ks there is a place called cares inc. That trains for pets even if you are non military and many other disabilities.

  • @tiannadogs
    @tiannadogs 9 лет назад +13

    Hi Tatyana,
    I love your videos, I have panic attacks and other issues as well, and watching your vids actually helps calm me down. I have a question: I was staying at a hotel recently, with my task trained and very well behaved service dog, and the manager told me I had to stay in the cordoned off pet area of the hotel, even though my dog was a service dog. I told them he is not a PET, but they said because of people's allege is we weren't allowed to stay in another room. I live in the US and thought this was discrimination and against ADA law. Am I correct?

    • @jillpeters8509
      @jillpeters8509 9 лет назад +7

      Under the ADA laws a person with a disability has the same rights to go into public establishments with their trained service dog as a non disabled person does. If it were me I would have taken out one of my ADA cards and given it to him. If he still tried to segregate you and your service dog I would call the local police Non - emergency number and have an officer come out. Remind the hotel manager that he is breaking a FEDERAL law. I would get the managers name and contact info and file a complaint with the department of Justice. I travel frequently for dog trials and I've never had an access issue with my service dog at a hotel. A lot of it is when you have a service dog you must ooze confidence that you know the law is on your side. . Was your dog wearing a vest? I know it's not required by law, but it definitely reduces access issues. Btw, was the manager indian? I've only had 3 access issues in over 20 years with my service dogs, one at dunkin donuts, one at 7-11, and another convenience store, all those trying to deny access were from India. I guess there's something in their culture that they don't like dogs...

    • @razzleberrycat
      @razzleberrycat 9 лет назад +8

      Tianna Roar Neither allergies nor fear of dogs is a legitimate reason to deny access to a public area for a service dog team. In cases where someone with allergies will be occupying the same space as a service dog, reasonable efforts must be made to accommodate BOTH parties (for example, having them on opposite sides of a room). Service dogs have access to non pet friendly areas of hotels, but you might be asked to sit on one side of the breakfast room, for example, while allergic guests would be asked to stay to the other side to avoid an allergic flare-up.

    • @misfitspartancak
      @misfitspartancak 9 лет назад +7

      Tianna Roar You are correct. This is illegal. ADA Law: www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
      exerpt: People with disabilities who use service animals cannot be isolated from other patrons, treated less favorably than other patrons, or charged fees that are not charged to other patrons without animals. In addition, if a business requires a deposit or fee to be paid by patrons with pets, it must waive the charge for service animals.

    • @dogtraininginthedark
      @dogtraininginthedark 8 лет назад +12

      One time, my lupus brought me to the emergency room. I of course had my dog with me. During the physical exam, I noticed that the doctor was sniffling and sneezing a lot. I remarked upon this because it was the middle of flu season. The doctor told me that she was allergic to dogs. I offered to have my mother who had accompanied me, take Dewey outside the room. The doctor told me no, she said that even though she was allergic to dogs, I needed to have my dog with me. She said she would take A Benadryl. I still felt horrible though. She ended up having to take a breathing treatment in addition to that Benadryl.

  • @carolinedoherty7479
    @carolinedoherty7479 9 лет назад +3

    Just started training my dog on my own and so far so good! Fingers crossed that she will be able to help me :)

  • @janadams3868
    @janadams3868 9 лет назад

    Excellent, informative, thank you!!!

  • @reneecopeland1095
    @reneecopeland1095 6 лет назад

    Thanks again! Very informative!

  • @MegaBonzie
    @MegaBonzie 9 лет назад +1

    1 agree but I have autism but I'm 23 and I'm mobility imparted and I have a labradoodle service dog in training

  • @ariannapflederer
    @ariannapflederer 9 лет назад

    Yes organizations for non-veteran PTSD is hard is find. But, Levi is one of the few. However, he is retiring and my new SD we are self-training. I also had another veteran PTSD organization offer to place one of theirs with me if self-train didn't work out. They do exist but both of those I came across by complete chance! There needs to be more awareness of non-veteran PTSD so this option opens up to more people who just don't have the knowledge to self-train.

    • @ellietheanagirl4982
      @ellietheanagirl4982 9 лет назад

      I agree with you, I have PTSD from trauma from when I was little and various situations, I am currently self training because I can't find anywhere that do non veteran PTSD

    • @chelseasteber399
      @chelseasteber399 9 лет назад

      Hi Arianna Pflederer small world! I'm subscribed to your channel.

    • @dogtraininginthedark
      @dogtraininginthedark 8 лет назад

      For those with psych issues like myself, with PTSD or other mental illnesses, you might check out possibility dogs Inc. It is a nonprofit in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that helps people owner train their own dogs. I believe they also do train dogs, but I think that's more for assistive therapy. I know that they help owner trainers though. You might also enjoy the book possibility dogs what a handful of unadoptable stop me about service hope and healing by Susanna Charlson.

  • @laurac5451
    @laurac5451 7 лет назад +1

    I found working with the dog 5 times a day is the best for training.

  • @Dinopoodles
    @Dinopoodles 9 лет назад +1

    Cares inc can train p.t.s.d. for anyone. Also cross train but there is some cost. I was not able to train my own dog.

  • @Techrideretc.6793
    @Techrideretc.6793 2 года назад

    I am 13-14 in the beginning I was thinking to myself things like am I to young? Do I not know enough? But now after a while I felt better and more confident I can train my dog to be a service dog

  • @aliciajo4618
    @aliciajo4618 9 лет назад

    Up til now I have relied on my parents for assistance and care with my illness. However i hope to be able to go to college within the next few years, and have been looking into getting a service dog to help me with gaining my independence and not needing my parents as much. How did you go about getting/training Bugsie? I have thought about having him/her go to obedience classes to cover the basics like potty-training/sitting/ staying on command, then training him myself with the specific service tasks (alerting me if i am going to pass out, and responding properly when i do)
    Was insurance much help?
    Did you need to have him take any tests that deemed he was acceptable for public access?
    (sorry if i worded this badly)

  • @shauntucker5145
    @shauntucker5145 9 лет назад +1

    how do you train an alert dog when symptoms come and go like ms?

  • @juno9607
    @juno9607 7 лет назад +2

    I'm 13 and I have extreme anxiety. I already know the tasks I need and I'm talking to my therapist. However, in Canada a service dog needs to be pro trained from what I've read. I have an Aussie Shepard who is already trained in basic obedience. I want to make him a PSD because we are really bonded so I've started training heel, block, and cover. In Canada your dog needs to be verified so I'm at a lost. Anyone please help.

  • @cloudmonkey2686
    @cloudmonkey2686 7 лет назад

    Odd question but can two ppl have one service dog that is cross trained?
    Like my wife has diabetes and I have ptsd.
    We work diff schedules so while I'm at work she's at home or at the store and when she's at work I'm at home or the store.
    I can see how cross training could be exhausting.
    I just wondered if my dog was capable to let her know her sugar was low/high if she could claim her as her service dog as well

  • @MindfullyMindy
    @MindfullyMindy 6 лет назад

    Should I work on obedience and tasks before I start training for and taking the dog in public? Or should I start getting the dog used to public sooner, like after obedience training? I am looking at a dog to adopt from the pound that was owner surrendered. It is a Border Collie Mix, and he has some, only some, basic training. I would be embarrassed to take him in public before any basic training was laid in place, but should I worry about task training before I take a potential service dog in public?

  • @workingdogheretic
    @workingdogheretic 8 лет назад

    I suggest fostering for awhile.

  • @hb5542
    @hb5542 9 лет назад

    Hi Tatyana! I am in the very early stages of getting a service dog. My family does not really have the money to go to classes so I want to do owner-training on my own. If you see this, please shoot me a message and hopefully we can talk. I really need advice. Love your videos. Thank you for doing what you do and thanks in advance for your help.

  • @candyandacurrantbun
    @candyandacurrantbun 8 лет назад

    I've been thinking of doing half and half. I would send my dog to be trained in advanced obedience, maybe even public access, and then train the tasks myself. I'm not so sure on how this would work out. What do you think?

    • @raindriver3227
      @raindriver3227 8 лет назад

      madison ma I was thinking that would be a good idea

    • @cloudmonkey2686
      @cloudmonkey2686 7 лет назад

      madison ma I haven't watched the video yet but read your comment. I'm new to service dogs and my service dog is a psychiatric service dog.
      I dont know your situation but I know personally for me I want to self train.
      I adopted my dog from the humane society who had one owner her whole life and abruptly gave her away (I still can't figure out why cuz she's the best dog anyone could ever ask for) and we just have this bond. An emotional bond and connection there that I can't explain. I've had dogs my whole life and there's something diff about this dog and why I want her to be my first service animal.
      For me I do not want to risk breaking that bond we already have as well risk hurting her emotionally by making her think I gave her away too.
      Also I just simply can't afford the training from anyone else.
      While I understand 50/50 on self training and by a trainer or even 100% having someone else train cuz of time and money etc it just simply isn't for me.
      I hope how ever it does work out for you

  • @cdc1566
    @cdc1566 9 лет назад

    I want to train my own dogs as service dogs. Any tips?

  • @DinaRansom
    @DinaRansom 9 лет назад

    Hello. I was wondering if there is a way i can email you some questions I have?

  • @workingdog6511
    @workingdog6511 9 лет назад +2

    I live in ontario and a ptsd service dog for a non veteran costs over 16,000 dollars i dont have that kind of money

    • @Jurneekins
      @Jurneekins 7 лет назад +2

      i live in Ontario too, that's why i will be owner training service dog

    • @larylindsay6640
      @larylindsay6640 7 лет назад +2

      Where in Ontario are you? I train dogs professionally, and have previously successfully trained one of my own dogs for mobility assistance behaviours. She died last year, shortly before her 15th birthday, and I will be bringing home a new puppy to train as my next service dog next Tuesday (July 2017). I am in southwestern Ontario, it might be possible for me to coach you, or get together occasionally for joint training sessions.

  • @tiannadogs
    @tiannadogs 9 лет назад

    Whoops, I meant allergies.**

  • @herbertmacomber8516
    @herbertmacomber8516 9 лет назад

    Is there a way to find out all the info you have got. Was it hard to get Bugsie Registered as a Service Dog

    • @Rotsuoy
      @Rotsuoy 9 лет назад +2

      There is no actual registration for service dogs. You should look for her video on fake service dog registration for more information.

  • @InspirationEmPire25
    @InspirationEmPire25 5 лет назад

    I have a Service Dog in training named Weston, he’s a French bulldog, he is 18 months old. We are training him to by my service dog. I have Oppositional Defiant Disorder and other dis@bilities, I also am legally blind. I want to train him to be a psychiatric service dog, and to help with my ODD.

  • @Dinopoodles
    @Dinopoodles 9 лет назад

    I meant service dog not pet sorry.

  • @melody040105
    @melody040105 6 лет назад

    this poopery commercial is funny I mean seriously who has time to spray a bowl before a dump

  • @margosiggins1492
    @margosiggins1492 6 лет назад

    I realized a lot of OT don't wash their dog

  • @richardbooze6460
    @richardbooze6460 7 лет назад

    If you are going to self train a service dog, get 2 different breed dogs. Train them separately so they dont pickup each others bad habits. That way you have a choice of which is better for you, then sell or donate the other dog that could better suit somebody else.

  • @journey.of.aservicedog3732
    @journey.of.aservicedog3732 9 лет назад +1

    I have a ptsd dog in training and I belong to a great organization I will put the link down, they have provided me with lots of support on how to train tasks I need Sera to do. www.psychdogpartners.org