Beyond Good and Evil #8: Morality is a Tyrannical Impulse (V.186 - V.196)
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2023
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Finally getting into part five, The Natural History of Morals. We’re more than halfway through the text, and Nietzsche applies his psychological method to morality. Episode art is Satan overlooking Paradise by Gustave Dore.
I went to a heavy metal gig last night and the band just plugged this podcast into the speakers and looked down at us with firmness
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That’s insane. I brought my son to a movie under the lights event last weekend where they played Lilo and Stitch on a big projector screen outdoors. However, this podcast was playing over the audio.
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'Morality is a Tyrannical Impulse'
It does SOUND like a Metal album...🤟
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Pretty sure I’m going through my dark night of the soul, so much of my world view has changed and it’s very disorienting sometimes but it fills me with a sense of ease to try and see the world outside of my old views and see the world through as much objectivity as possible (not really possible is it?) anyways it feels very surreal. I’m excited for what is to come
(Edit): this path of discovery has thrown me so far into this dark night; each day is a day I know not where I am heading. A struggle between drives, my body rules but as I see this do I even fight these drives. Might it be I am holding so tightly to who I was? It is near psychosis at times, I do suffer from addiction with drugs and as I use them I delve deep into my own psyche; I see 2 distinct drives which are of equal strength. One drive that wishes to let go and lose myself and one which wishes to keep me afloat and to keep on living. Has my soul grown weary of this burden? Tho I would not give this life up for anything. This deep pain is a means I hope to rainbows I have yet to perceive. 09/11/23
I was just now in the gym very excited to go home and continue my reading of this book, rarely have I been this excited to go home and read. Thank you immensly for your fine work on the podcast!
00:00 📜 Nietzsche begins exploring the natural history of morals, emphasizing the contrast between moral sentiment and the science of morals.
02:15 🧪 Nietzsche introduces the idea of values as underlying impulses or desires, setting the stage for a science of morals rooted in psychology.
06:01 🤔 Philosophers have historically attempted to rationalize morality but ended up justifying existing moral norms rather than questioning morality itself.
10:12 🤯 Nietzsche criticizes Schopenhauer for holding onto morality despite denying God and the world, highlighting the deep-seated nature of moral sentiments.
16:53 🧠 Nietzsche explores various uses and functions of morality, emphasizing that it serves as a sign language for human affect or impulses.
22:22 ⚖ Nietzsche suggests that every morality is a form of tyranny against nature and reason, but whether this is objectionable depends on having an alternative morality to deem such tyranny impermissible.
22:47 🤔 Nietzsche argues that critiquing morality from an immoral standpoint is still a form of moralizing, as it involves asserting a certain moral perspective.
25:13 🎨 Nietzsche emphasizes that creative expression, like art and music, is often guided by strict and subtle laws that transcend conceptual formulation.
30:29 📜 Morality, according to Nietzsche, represents a drive that seeks to universalize itself and exert control over the psyche, making it a form of tyranny.
35:26 🌟 Nietzsche suggests that long-term obedience and single-direction focus have historically contributed to the development of virtues, art, and spiritual growth in European civilization.
41:25 🧠 Nietzsche argues that morality often teaches the need for limited horizons and the narrowing of perspective, which may involve a certain degree of "stupidity" as a condition of life and growth.
42:07 🌍 Nature's moral imperative, according to Nietzsche, is directed not at individuals but at peoples, races, ages, classes, and the whole human species. Individual life is transitory in the grand scheme of nature.
45:32 🤔 Nietzsche's philosophy emphasizes the need to withdraw into individuality to gain a perspective on morality, away from collective identifications.
46:58 🔄 Fasting during certain periods helps restrain and purify one's drives, introducing a rhythm and regularity into life, influencing moral values.
51:44 🧐 Nietzsche criticizes Socrates for the belief that bad actions are done involuntarily due to ignorance and that removing ignorance makes people good, arguing that this perspective represents a lower form of morality.
01:00:08 🤷♂ Nietzsche explores the ancient moral problem of faith and knowledge, highlighting the tension between instinct-driven valuation and reason-driven evaluation, with Socrates playing a key role in introducing this moral dilemma.
01:04:26 🤨 Nietzsche criticizes Socrates for initially siding with reason but later realizing his own difficulty in justifying actions and how he encouraged suppressing instincts with reason, which Nietzsche views as a form of self-deception.
01:08:20 🧠 Socrates had a divine spirit or daemon that acted as his moral conscience throughout his life, according to Nietzsche.
01:09:13 🤝 Plato and subsequent theologians and philosophers have aligned moral matters with instinct, faith, or the herd mentality.
01:10:09 💡 Descartes' focus on reason is seen by Nietzsche as superficial, as it merely translated religious superstitions into Enlightenment ideals.
01:13:12 🤔 Nietzsche suggests that consciousness, language, and reason tend to incline toward utilitarianism and the greatest good for the many.
01:14:46 🧐 Nietzsche argues that humans tend to simplify their perceptions, filling in gaps with familiar details, which can be deceptive.
01:21:00 🎭 Nietzsche highlights the human tendency to fabricate, deceive, and shape perceptions, blurring the line between truth and falsehood.
01:28:18 🚀 Nietzsche explores how dream experiences and habits can influence one's concept of happiness and desires in waking life.
01:29:27 🤔 Nietzsche discusses the idea of being untethered from moral constraints, allowing individuals to freely explore both noble and base aspects of life without judgment.
01:35:41 🤝 Nietzsche examines the various ways people seek to possess and control others, whether in love, charity, or power, highlighting the tyrannical aspects of these desires.
01:46:37 📜 Nietzsche comments on the Jews, using them as a lens to explore the origins of the slave revolt in morality and the inversion of values, where qualities like poverty were associated with holiness.
01:50:16 🌌 Nietzsche uses the concept of "dark bodies" in the universe as a metaphor to emphasize that moral interpretations and values are like interpreting the universe through signs and symbols, not direct empirical evidence.
01:52:09 🌟 Nietzsche mentions the idea of dark matter in the universe, highlighting that much of reality is inferred rather than directly observed, drawing a parallel to the interpretation of moral values as signs and symbols.
So glad you’re back. Can’t wait for this!
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🎉St. Paul, morality: spirit does good, flesh does bad. Socrates: ignorance is bad. Schopenhauer: good is preventing harm
I enjoyed your Barbie movie review on your Nietzsche podcast! Thank you!
Barbie and Nietzsche in the same sentence 😂😅
Are you familiar with JF Gariepy, his review of Barbie was great imo
@@paulatreides0777 - he reviewed Oppenheimer in the same podcast and used "Barbinheimer". No Barbie. ☺️
@@trickywoo5165 - not familiar but I will be skipping Barbie. My loss, I'm so sure. 😂
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@1:44:50 i feel called out
It's a false equivalence to call a desire for freedom a tyrannical impulse unless such freedom is at the expense of others which anarchists thoroughly oppose.
Anarchy will always lead to cruelty and a new hierarchie. It simply can never work on its own on a large scale, the will to power will always create new rulers and followers
Everything that is massively popular, doesn’t interest me anymore, including Nietzsche.
you must be a contrarian
be careful you might just be disagreeable for the sake of it.
@@Bl4zik3n I have read Whole canon of Nietzsche, I just Found Emil cioran better in the end. What i liked in Nietzsche was Aphorism and I found Aphorism of Emil cioran Better
Your so right. Cioran is much better and a much clearer writing style who doesn't choke out his point with useless jargon. Your the first person besides myself that likes Cioran. Cioran is obscure I guess
@@phillipjordan1010 many were Inspired by Nietzsche when it comes to Aphorisms including Cioran, But cioran was Exceptionally Brilliant at it, even French was not his language but he wrote in it.
Ok I'll check out cioron @@amorfati4096
One thing that sort of confuses me is that, if he goes to such lengths to say that our perceptions are not objective and that what "appears" is a mask, doesn't that mean that there is a real true world "out there"? Doesn't that notion conflict with his other ideas? Or is there a way to reconcile that?
What we see is a Fiction we have created to protect ourselves.
If we can become Strong enough to See the World we will see the world.
I like your observation, and I can see your point, it 'seems' as though Nietzsche 'could' make this point but I think he refrains from doing so. Nietzsche does not advocate for two world theories that posit that there exists a 'better' life after this one, he does not tolerate two world theories because he thinks that the people who invented them only did so out of spite for existence: only someone dissatisfied with life would imagine a place such as heaven or need to believe in it.
And so, although Nietzsche is aware that all sensation is subjective, unlike Hume he did not think this was an issue: these passions that pervert data are celebrated by Nietzsche. Beyond the data, passion is all that exists. And so Nietzsche becomes more concerned with the metaphysics of the passions and their functions: he was less so interested in the outcomes (the data) and more interested in the process by which data was extrapolated.
@isaacbarratt854 I'm not suggesting that there is a second better world, like in Christianity. Rather, that there is an objective reality that we cannot fully perceive due to subjective senses and experiences. I thought this was something nietzsche disagreed with, distinguishing himself from hegel and others. But then again, I'm not sure how one could make sense of that without suggesting solipsism. I don't think he would buy into that, considering his stance on nihilism.
@@andrewbowen2837 'there is an objective reality that we cannot fully perceive'
Kant seemed to thinks so, he was interested in the 'thing' in and of itself. In his example he would hold up an apple, he would say it was red, round, had a shimmer about its skin, yet, regardless of the detailed description he never gets closer to understanding the thing in and of itself.
beyond the senses there existed something to be described, a 'real world' so to speak.
the problem is this: if we try to consider this world beyond the senses we halt, how can we understand something that cant be related to an experience? And if the 'thing in itself' is beyond our understanding why ponder any further.
Kant seemed to think that we had a knowledge of mathematics prior to experiencing maths as a concept.
He thought that because mathematical principles preceded experience that perhaps all that exists beyond the senses is math and that this could provide a reliable enough foundation from which to build a science, which at the time was under scrutiny for being subjective
much rather watch these then the annoying band friends you have who are far away from reality in what they say.
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