Officers React #35 - 19-2 S 2, Ep. 1 "School"
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2023
- "School" is the first episode of the second season of 19-2 and the second episode overall.
After Nick and Ben catch an escaped snake they respond to a report of vandalism at a local high school. At arrival they hear gun shots and call in a school shooting. Station 19 responds in force and plays a cat-and-mouse game with the shooter 
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I'm currently a Police Officer, my peers and I have sat together and watched this episode over and over, and discussed all our schools layouts and how to approach so we never have any radio confusion. On day shift I go around and start just pulling on all the external doors to see if they are unlocked. Personally I believe all departments from Federal Agency's to school security guards should run threw drills in the schools in which they are close to, for this kind of situation. STOPPING THE THREAT AND PROTECTING THE CHILDREN IS OUR HIGHEST PRORITY.
That's great to hear! The kiddos under your protection are safer because of your efforts 🥰 thank you for your service homie!
How about instead of that, we actually pass stringent gun laws that European countries and literally everyone else has, because it’s the easy access to guns that cause this. Literally no where else in the world, are the issue of school shootings present. And how about we fund mental health facilities too? But no school shootings is the cost of “freedom,” but are you really “free” if for the first 18 years of your life, you’re living under imminent fear and danger that one day you’ll be killed in school? Is that an environment conducive to learning and producing functioning adults?
@@f-86zoomer37 wrong
That’s an extremely smart thing, you should discuss with superiors having this be a nationwide thing patrol officers do when they pass a school in their route
@@mattfox4549 “let children die and get cut up by assault rifles” is not a coherent policy
The cop who ran out with the girl and hesitated to take an open shot I feel is VERY accurate - not every cop, even with training, knows how they'll react in a lethal situation like this. He was a probably (like you said) a day-shift cop thrown into this high-stakes mess where his biggest threat is getting a papercut at the printer. I live in Canada - and a cop like this probably has never drawn his gun before on duty. Or dealt with screaming and piles of dead children. He froze, and understandably so.
I definitely think that it a lot to ask someone with no prior combat experience and someone who's worked in a high crime area, to try and step up in this situation. It's a tall order for anyone, but I do think that this is more of a failure in training than content of character.
@@OnlyCops In the series, the cop who got shot had a history of fighting his demons. As a young kid, he found a gun in his house, toyed with it and shot his sister while the parents were also somewhere else in the house.
In the show ,he starts as a good cop whose an alcoholic come sun down, all this shooting and bloodied kids puts him in this state and he struggles every step of his recovery (from killing his sister, alcohol withdrawal and letting the team down).
"Day shift cop" describes Jean-Marc Brouillard perfectly. I hated him every time he was on screen by the end of season 1, which god bless Dan Petronijevic for playing the role so freaking perfectly. JM was all bark and no bite, and it's a recurring theme that continuously agitates the other officers until it comes to a head in season 4 where he finally grows a pair at his lowest point.
I know it isn't as obvious when reacting like this: the beginning of the shooting is filmed in one extremely long shot (I think it's almost 10 minutes without any cuts). In my eyes that's an absolute masterpiece production-wise.
From a filming standpoint this is actually a pretty well produced show! Especially for it being TV.
It's closer to 13 minutes, and while there are some obvious times built into the take for hidden cuts (slow pans on lockers and the like) I don't think they used any. Either their editor is amazing or they truly managed it all in a single take, either way it's incredible.
This series is a remake, but for this episode they understood it was important to use the same director from the original and he captured it perfectly, despite a whole new location.
So yes, those 2 dudes are the main guys in the show - but the show is kinda all about the mental health and story of the division. So, a lot of the characters that acted strange, like the guy who carried out the girl, or the officer that got shot and hesitated, it was based around their fucked up mental state that was already established in the show. So they are known to the viewer to be a lil unstable already. It's also a Canadian show as you guys know. And quite frankly, these situations dont really happen in Canada. There's been maybe half a dozen like it in the past century. So a lot of the uniform officers will not have extensive training on active shooters. So the instances where they miss opportunities to neutralize the threat or make a weird move are actually kinda realistic. These aren't American cops. They don't have patrol rifles, or plate carriers to grab, and they don't have school shooting drills or training specific to that. So the mistakes are an intentional move by the writers.
That makes a whole lot of sense and adds a lot of context to the episode! I really appreciate you putting this here and it gives us a really good insight on the episode.
The original 19-2 dates back from 2011, so that scene was probably in 2012. It was inspired by the Dawson College shooting in Montreal in the early-mid 2000s.
If I recall correctly, following that shooting, Montreal police learned from their experience and instituted policy and training changes such that their officers would follow basically the same advice you gave: get in quickly, find the shooter and isolate/neutralize them.
Thanks for the insight! That make the scene make a lot more sense given when it was filmed and the training at the time
@@OnlyCopsIn the real life Dawson shooting there were two officers handling a marijuana case happened to be at the school’s entrance when the shooting happened so they rushed in. And yes, just according to your suggestions, they managed to shoot the perpetrator in the arm while at cafeteria. The shooter subsequently committed suicide, so the actual Dawson incident is way shorter than this.
The 2006 Dawson shooting was actually the first time Montreal police had to put those ROE/training changes in practice. The incident that had led to these changes was in fact the 1989 Polytechnique shooting, during which an active shooter killed 14 women then took his own life, while cops just surrounded the building waiting for SWAT to arrive.
@arousedyoda Which was policy pretty much world-wide until Columbine.
Some context not given here for you guys is that Tyler, the cop who got shot was frequently drinking on the job, hence the hesitation. And the sort of cowardly cop was..well he was a massive coward and a wifebeater so no one watching the show was shocked by what he did and didnt do.
That makes WAY more sense lol that actually makes it even more realistic then 🤣
@OnlyCops Great show though. Lots of character growth. I think you'd like it but not sure where it's streaming these days.
@@GhostEye31 all 4 seasons are available on youtube
@@OnlyCops Also, I might blurr the french and english version but he is also the union leader who is big on CYA. In the french version, there is a Scene where as solo patrol he always requests backup even on a wellness check.
It was J.M that was the wife beater not Tyler
I was in a situation like this in a school: police took forever to respond, wouldnt enter the building under fire, radio traffic gave dispatch away giving the shooter a chance to fully supress the first 4 cops that went in 2 of whom didnt have body armor, and one was hit in the leg. A shop teacher had his pickup parked between the cafeteria and the shop building to move some equipment, he grabbed a shotgun from the truck and put a slug in the kid from behind as everyone else cowered, nearly ripped his arm off and he bled out. The community kept it pretty hush as it all happened in about 8 mins and a cop and the assailant are the only ones that got hurt. Ironically not far from where we lived a principal did the same thing, simply getting a revolver from his truck when he saw a kid attempt to enter the building with a sporting rifle while he was sitting in the parking lot drinking his coffee. These incidents make me happy we live in the sort of place where its not frowned upon for teachers to have weapons on campus and following these encounters its now a policy at the school that teachers carry (voluntarily), half the district signed up and a young lady I went to school with is one of those very teachers.
If equipped and prepared, you will always be your best first responder. We were Texas cops and often times showed up after the victim had already saved themselves.
This premier of 19-2 is presented by having a functional security camera covering every single area of the School
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So, this scene was shot in early 2012. Protocols then were dictated mostly by Polytechnique and Columbine. Furthermore, this is based out of Montreal, Quebec. Most police officers in Canada don't have rifles, and a lot of them only wear level 2 soft armour. Furthermore, Montreal Police had a policy against earpieces for a long time. I'm not sure if that still applies, I left the city in 2016. Also, yes, Montreal used Walther PPQ's. So did the SPAL (Longueuil). They've switched to Sig's. SQ uses Glocks.
Thanks for all the insights! It really does give a more complete picture as to why it was filmed the way it was and how realistic it actually way given the time it was published!
It’s basically the exact same scene reshot from the original, which I think was in France, so the techniques may mirror French policing as well.
@@50pence59it wasn’t in France, it was still in Montreal but the french version of the show also called 19-2
Shoutout to the Cameraman for risking their life to get us the footage from the inside
BASED. 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
Yes
Can’t wait for this, I remember seeing the original French-Canadian version (pretty much the same shot for shot with different actors) and I almost forgot this was a show, I was k on n the edge of my seat the whole scene.
I hope you enjoyed it!
Although we got our own set of problems, we Canadians generally seem to do Police shows decently lol.
Absolutely, between Flashpoint, Rookie Blue and 19-2 we've got some good ones.
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Ya'll talk about Lt and Cpts getting out there seats.. I saw a body camera of a chief showing up on scene with a god damn revolver. I laughed my ass off when I saw that.
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As soon as you said you responded to Six Flags, I knew where you were talking about. I am a civilian worker (Records Clerk) for our local police department in SW OK and one of our officers was there with his family when that shooting happened. Per his significant other, he immediately went into cop mode from family man mode to get his family along with some other patrons safely out of the amusement park.
I believe those vests are stab vests like the British use. These are Canadian. Hence not stopping bullets.
That makes a lot of sense!
They’re bulletproof vests, it’s kevlar.
Ok. If that’s the case why was that kid shooting the cops through them? I just have a theory. But I have heard RCMP and other departments in Canada started using stab vests due to the lack of gun violence in Canada. Now. Flashpoint, they use Kevlar as they are going into volatile situations and may need them. So if you have evidence or proof that they are Kevlar then awesome. It then becomes either the TV show messed up, or they didn’t and were showing that even with Kevlar some rounds aren’t going to be stopped. Not sure there
We tend to issue NIJ Level 2 or Level 3A plates.
@@erycdamaso_613 ok so tv screw up. No worries. Like I said it was just a theory. I know this video is about 15 years old so I was thinking that at the time it would be appropriate
18:35 those are lights, not backpacks or instrument cases. Not great cover, but since they'd all be large dense masses of mostly metal its probably the best cover in the auditorium.
That makes a lot of sense, it's definitely far from an ideal tactical situation.
Honestly depending on the school layout and the position of windows, getting kids away from the school could be a deathtrap, if you were to move them away there is a chance they end up with the sightline of a window the shooter may decide to shoot out of.
Also you should react to the part where 19-2 returns to the school (Shows how the Officer who shot the guy is suffering from some PTSD/Flashbacks when he re-visits the school)
You are not wrong, building layout will definitely dictate tactics. We will add that episode to the list!
My former high school was torn down and rebuilt to be more protective of students in the event of an active shooter--
I freaking love these guys and all policemen that lay down their lives to save others.
I loved your commentarry onm this. This show seems really gnarly as well. I don't know how y ou guys popped in my algorythem but I'm glad you did!
Thanks for the support man! We have a TON of content on our channel. I hope you enjoy it!
When I was in highschool i used to get so pissed off because we would have up to like 6 or 7 fire drills a year and only have maybe 1 or 2 lockdown drills a year. And then some nutcase threatened to shoot up my school and as soon as the principal came over the loud speaker I could tell based on the fear in his voice that it was real. But no other students seemed to notice. They were laughing and joking and all kinds of shit. Eventually we get out of lockdown and we had state troopers inside the school rest of the day. But they caught up with the guy and as far as I heard they let him go. Haven't heard about him since tho. I'm only 17 years old and everywhere I go I refuse to have anything in my hands im completely aware of my surroundings and whenever i go to a restaurant or anything I make sure my seat is somewhere i can see all the doors and the exits and everything. Even my bed is in a Tactically good position. It's sad I have to do that
Staying prepared is always a good policy! As you get opportunities and depending on your local laws, you can even get emergency medical training and counter active shooter training which really puts you in another league of prepared
You're paranoid dude.
Nice to see some good shit still comes out of Canada. I'm gonna start binging this show
It appeared to be pretty awesome!
Canadian here, 19-2 is a quebec show. School shootings are rare in Canads, but, lockdowns are not automated. Most janitors and some teachers carry Alan keys. All staff carry ID card readers, those only exist at the front door or staff only doors. For student doors there is no "lockdown" button.
Why prepare for a problem you don't have, it honestly makes a lot of sense from a civics prospective, it's unfortunate when those shortcomings have such a negative effect.
The way departments get anal about attachments and uniformity is one of my biggest pet peeves. I was a reserve deputy for a decent sized county in Central Arkansas. We were allowed to have red dots or irons on our rifles. Magnified optics were not allowed unless you were on SRT (our SWAT equivalent). I asked our armorer and he said "magnification gives some shooters overconfidence. SRT can have magnification because they train more". This was back in 2016. I was prior military so i had years of experience with the ACOG 4x but couldn't use one because the armorer thought some people took bad shots when they could see things better. I went to a different department in 2019 which was a lot more lenient. While it is true some people try to substitute gear for training and skill there is this thing called qualification and in service training to put these theories to the test. Qualification isn't the real thing, but you can do this thing called an experiment where you give a pool of deputies a magnified or unmagnified optic and see what happens. But thats way too big brained an idea for admin.
Dude, policy around equipment is by far one of the most ass backwards things about modern agencies. "You can't have XYZ because (insert myth) and we won't give you an opportunity to qualify the use of XYZ equipment because we said so".
@@OnlyCops Yeah. It's frustrating. We had a policy that if you modified your duty handgun or rifle in any way (regardless of if it was a functional change or not) we would have to requalify with the weapon twice. Installed new night sights on your Glock? Qualify twice to prove you can qualify and it's not a fluke. Install a weapon light on a Glock? Get to qual day early you're going twice. New trigger group on your rifle? Well either lie and say it was that way last year or guess what? Fire twice and like it. Added a new pistol grip, handguard, stock, or vertical foregrip to your AR? You guessed it qual twice. Change what brand of weapon light you use? Ah shit better go 2x to make sure you didn't forget fundamentals of marksmanship in the interim. State standards for Arkansas has no requirement or guidance on this. It was just a policy put in place to discourage modification of weapons from stock. At the time the Sheriff's office I worked for didn't have a range of their own. So the armorer straight up told us that he wouldn't go and just rent any of the municipal ranges for just one person to get a new configuration on paper. We would have to wait until it was annual qualification to install any changes.
I'm circling back to this months later and I'm thinking about the radio thing. I imagine the only reason they aren't using ear pieces is so we get to hear the radio traffic, call it rule of cool or whatever but this is clearly just for audience benefit.
That actually makes a lot fo sense thematically speaking. It doesn't make it a random sound insert and allows for better immersion into the show. Great observation!
This scene plus the fact it has Jared Keeso in it (Letterkenny) got me to start watching the series as a whole and I can't recommend you check it out enough. Idk that it has enough "action" for it to be something you put on the channel but still very much worth a watch.
Thanks for the suggestion! We will add it to the list!
Multiple Letterkenny actors in this episode
@@andream.9983 Yeah, Keeso of course, McMurray, the guy the plays Nick was in a couple of episodes. The series as a whole has its share. The actress that plays Tanis was in a couple episodes, and the actress that plays Audrey was in a few episodes of Shoresy.
I really want to watch this but Google says I need Paramount Plus! Love all those actors, this would be an excellent watch
Loved the video! Second time watching this exact video lol. You deserve more subs. Subed ❤
Thank you so much for the support! We have a pretty big catalog of videos if you liked this one 😊
This is the only episode of this show I've seen, and I've gone back to watch it at least half a dozen times. Sometimes, a guy just wants to see tension on screen. The extraction/bridge scene in Sicario is the same way.
There's a locker room scene later in this episode where they're discussing having to turn in their firearms as part of the investigation, and the officer who grabbed the girl and ran says he didn't have to give his up because he never fired, *clearly* upset that he'd let down the team by getting scared. I would have loved to have seen you react to the aftermath part of the episode too.
We can definitely add it to this list! I appreciate the inquiry 😁
So it’s been said before but this is based on an actual shooting that happened in Montreal. Shooting took place at a college campus and it was just as chaotic. I was in high school when it happened and my teachers were pretty stressed listening to it on the radio. The end result was that the local police basically were retrained for these scenarios where a lot of the things you were pointing out are actually done. Incidentally, when my school was threatened to be shot up we had a few cops show up as “security” but not much else happened. My parents were pretty pissed too because they found out about the threat on the radio and not from school administrators 🤷🏽♂️
It's incredibly sad that we even have to worry about this type of stuff, but it's worse when the people we are trusting to protect us don't step up. I'm glad your incident didn't materialize into something more, and shame on that school for not keeping the parents informed.
I like the real-life commentary with you guys, since this was an line of work for you and at the very least, you pointed out what would happen in an real-life scenario vs in an tv show. Secondly, this might be the most lowkey high tension scene for an tv series in the entire history of tv series in the world, ever. That 12 minute one shot was evenly chaotic, especially whey you as the viewer is in awe of what's happening around the environment and the total madness that is the school shootings. Hope to see more of your stuff regarding more cop TV series and also your commentary as well because you are well-spoken and well- disclipined in the way you guys point out certain things in this clip.
Thanks for the support! We appreciate your kind words. We have a lot of similar reaction videos to movies and other TV shows. We also go live twice a week (Tuesday and Thursdays at 7:30 CST) if you care to see us breakdown real bodycam footage 😁
Can’t wait for this
I hope you enjoyed it!
@@OnlyCops I loved it
Loved this reaction next should be "we own this city"
I got a chance to watch that and it made my blood boil. I'm glad those assholes are in prison.
I'll see if we can do a condensed version of that here!
I sometimes think that kid with the headphone is an idiot, then I remembered I spent 30 minutes of a code red inside of a piano room within the choir room, only to come out and see everyone was still sitting there cause I had eaten lunch with my headphones on. It was a nearly soundproof room. Thankfully the incident was not at the school, but a hostage situation at the loan shark place down the street.
Headphones can definitely take out of your environment. Which can be a nice relief at time, but definitely dangerous in the wrong set of circumstances 😬
How are there no cops on the first floor securing the area and securing every stairwell entrance once unit 19-2 is chasing and engaging the suspect on the second floor? They’re having a whole Benny Hill chase all through the first and second floor.
No kidding, and a billion cops outside the building and don't do anything to help the guys inside 🤣
im not a cop but i agree with the black hat guy when i watched this show i was like why isn't he mag dumping this foo
It definitely didn't require tactical training to make that call 😅
I know that they do have Paramedics, that do train with the Police Tactical Operations Unit in New South Wales , Australia. The Paramedics aren't armed but do know what to do in a situation where armed assailants are about. They also carry the protective gear like body armour and a helmet. Special operations Paramedics I think that they're called.
We have something very similar in the US that comes out of ALERT training where Paramedics have roles in responding to a crisis like this. It's great training and a critical asset to live saving.
my biggest thought about this show is how fuckin massive this school was. My school had like 600+ students which isn't super large, but compared to the size of this school, its like comparing a Wawa / Seven Eleven to a Walmart in terms of size.
My high school had around 4 thousand students so this was pretty representative of that size of facility.
The scene where they go back to the school after the shooting and as they walk around and you just hear the screams echoing and the gunshots…..😢
Yeah, these types of scenes are hard. I saw a lot of gang violence and domestic violence scenes that were brutal and it makes some of this stuff harder for me to watch at times
We watched this as part of our training program for my service in Canada
I'm glad they included this! It's critical to be prepared for everything
Not a cop, but curious what your or other cops’ takes would be, when they first hear the rounds and go in, do you think it would be a bad idea to go back to the car real quick to grab a rifle? You’re sacrificing an extra 15-20 seconds yes, but you’re also now armed with a more precise weapon so you can smoke this guy faster…
The logic is very sound so you're not wrong that you will be better equipped that way. Josh got a chance this past year to take an active shooter response class with Kyle Morgan (Delta Force) and his response to this question was "do the victims have that time? You have a gun and a vest, learn how to make a difference with skills not gear because nothing you fo will give you back the time you lose when trying to stop evil".
I read that most "mass shootings" have been stopped prematurely by friends, family, and school "reporting" and that the ones that actually get that far are pretty rare statistically. That's scary. Perhaps more training on what and when to report would be helpful at and more productive than focusing on finger-pointing or which laws to change after the fact?
I think it's actually an issue WAY before then. I think having resources for parents, kids, and teachers/community leader to provide safer spaces for kids to grow up insolated from issues or concepts they are not ready to handle or divert kids and young adults out of environments that aren't conducive to healthy coping skills would prevent more than just mass shootings. I think it could reduce domestic violence, single parent house holds, and violent crime associated by gang culture/operations.
Fun fact, this is actually a redo episode from a French series
No way? I wonder what the difference is between this and the French version.
Exactly the same, but with mostly different actors. Tyler, the cop that got shot part, is played by the same actor in the French version.
Important information: Canada does mot have standard rifle training. Most officers train with pistols and shotguns, sometimes rifles, but most officers don't carry rifles. Not even in the car
Rcmp (Federal Police) got rifle training as standard/required training, in the last 20 years
OPP (My province's provincial police like state police) has had it before RCMP.
If your looking for Canadian content look up the Mayerthorpe tragedy, Nova Scotia mass casualty shooting, moncton shooting,
All of these are Shootings where cops were killed because of Command failures.
Moncton - 3 constables dead 2 constables shot.
Mayerthorpe- 4 federal constables dead.
Nova socita mass casualty shooting, 1 constables dead, 21 civilans dead, plus a constable almost murdered by SWAT when guarding a fire hall
That is really good insight! Those events are horrible and I'm sorry for those effected. I hope officers in Canada begin to be better equipped/prepared to meet these types of challenges (God forbid) if they happen in the future
@@OnlyCopsI always get a little annoyed when you guys talk about your lieutenant or your captains making mistakes, but here in Canada our police fuck up so often, and it costs so many lives...
And I hate to be the pessimist, but it really seems like they need to learn.
They literally suspended rifle training for federal constables, because somebody died by a taser. And that's one of the main factors that allowed the Moncton tragedy to happen because the only rifle for that entire Detachment / station was an hour away or something. Training other officers with the rifle use.
Nowadays, all the shotguns have been replaced by rifles and a lot of officers are trained to have a rifle, there’s nearly one per car, at least in Québec.
"if this were real we would never enter the building its too dangerous!"
That is the Uvalde special lol fortunately there are plenty of examples of police departments not being cowardly assholes
Guy goes back to help the girl for Tyler.... Leaves gut shot kid there. Some of that sort of thing really can't slip through the writers. It's beyond stupid.
10,000% agree
"they have walthers in Canada..." lmao
Had* Montreal police have since moved to using Glocks
26:07 i mean they figured they were looking for a way to quickly narrow down the current area
37:36 whyy would he-- i guess you keep it in the back of your head when youre turning
Cause i don't assume he has a compass
When i was in highschool the halls were color coded ie light blu=english yellow= math maroon=government/social studies the science and industrial arts part was off the cafeteria the schools been renovated since i graduated and i probably wont be in that school again till my kids are old enough and hopefully i wont have to go in there as an officer but because the halls are color coded it should be easier to navigate
That is a really smart system! My school looked more like a prison 🤣
@@OnlyCops again back in highschool we had lockdown drills which in reality the staff used as an excuse to let our local departments run drills in said school and do dog sniffs for drugs this was all done during the school day while everyone is in class during this time all i did was play poker in the back of the class with some friends XD good times
Just realized thats Jared Keeso from Letterkenny
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I just start to watch your channel yesterday and i enjoy in your videos, country i live Croatia in Europe, response / patrol officers would not go inside school to take shooter / shooters, they would wait for firearms tactical unit, response officers in Croatia have long firearms and bulletproof vests in trunk and they would take this to secure the scene.
Thank you for the support and for explaining what would happen in Croatia. I'm always curious about how the government would handle stuff like this in other places in the world.
43:10 hit hard...and you're not wrong.
It's the hardest thing talkative you can't recruit for or train for, either you have it or you don't.
What were all those kids doing still next to the building???
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING! It was definitely a weird creative choice
The "first kid that helped him escape" comment is shitty.
1. The two kids were killed. You can see the same orange shirt on one of them after they talk to the lunch lady.
2. The kid is a kid and probably doesn't have training. They just wanted to live.
I am not blaming the victims here (even though he is completely a fictional character), I'm explaining the psychology of the situation. Do you trust a dude running around a school shooting people to help you or spare you if you comply? The more you let a situation like that play itself out you realize it never ends well. Once someone is committed to violence, whether it's something as small as an assault or large as this scenario, you have to be realistic about your expectations for safety. "Run, Hide, Fight" is taught in a ton of general safety classes and is an easy principle to adhere to. Our reactions to this type of media is informed by real life experiences and training and our hope to to help educate people on misconceptions and or how to safety navigate these scenarios if (God forbid) they are ever presented with them. Our knee jerk reaction comes from us knowing the consequences of that characters failure to act against what the shooter was asking them to do, and it played itself out as it likely would in reality....
Violence of action is 0/10😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 for sure
16 people were critically injured or killed in the shooting from my count, including the shooter.
It's a horrible incident (even if it's just a show). Being exposed to that kind of violence in real life has very long lasting emotional, spiritual, and psychological scars.
The rest of the show is pretty good to but the French version is a lot more dark than the English remake
The english remake is a travesty. The french version is a thousand times better.
Honestly for these situations, I believe every police officer with a gaming pc at their disposal needs to play escape from tarkov.
That honestly not terrible advice 🤣 you learn a lot of about self preservation in that game lol
You should check out the original french one if you liked this one its much better despite having mostly the same composition (the english one essentially a shot for shot remake of the french one with minor differences) I find it much more real and impactful
I'll see if we can find it!
Do you think at 13:00, those other cops should have announced themselves in some way before coming up behind their colleagues? I don"t know the protocol, but since this is such a high-pressure situation, even if the main guys are expecting the shooter to be in front of them, being startled by something behind them probably isn't the best thing to have happen (although another "shout out" to their calmness), even if the people startling them are their colleagues. I mean, a quick look behind that door would have shown that the main cops were standing their, and then they could have knocked or said something before stepping out. Thoughts?
Great question and observation! It's never good to surprise people under stress. We would typically yell something like "blue on blue" to give them a heads up if we got into a cross fire situation or were approaching each other in a lethal force situation.
There are some tactical advantages to staying quiet while moving in this environment when there is still an at large bad guy, but that only matters to whomever is in direct contact or pursuit.
For all you say, what about Uvalde. Aren't Texans meant to be the roughest, toughest Americans? They cowered in the the corridor even though they had assault rifles and bulletproof shields. Or am I mistaken?
I'm not sure broad generalizations are ever an appropriate lens to look at any group of people. I do however understand that some people in this world aren't afforded the opportunity or education to see past bias or political talking points. With that in mind, yes Uvalde PD failed in their dudy and were cowards, no they don't represent Texans or the broader LEO community. Enjoy the rest of your day and God bless you!
@@OnlyCops Thank you for your considered comment. I think you 2 are making considered comments from experience I don't have. I served in the Australian Army but not the police. Still, I just thought you were being like "armchair quarterbacks". That's the American expression, right? Also, you might want to edit your comment "failed in their dudy"
Intense
Very much so!
A lot of this is hard to decipher because I'm not quite sure about the differences in lethal force in Canada vs the USA
I'm born and raised Canadian, and I've only heard of maybe two or three shootings here, one was a mass shooter dressed as police in Nova Scotia, the other was a shooting on a farm, the owner thought the guy was trespassing for malicious reasons, but he was supposedly just cutting the yard. for NS, the guns weren't legal, I'm not sure about the farmer, but standing ground with lethal force isn't legal as a civilian here, you can get charged for hitting someone in self-defense, and forget about it if you're armed in any way. As for cops, I don't know the stance, I haven't heard of any OIS here, either taking fire or giving it
It is definitely a mixed bag here in America. There are places in the US where you can be taken to jail for improperly evicting a squatter from your house, and theirs others where you can used deadly force to prevent theft in certain circumstances. Depending on the state/jurisdiction, it could be a very different legal conversation, LEO or not.
Before i comment on your reaction i'd like to know if what kind of training you got as a leo and if you got one of those asinine "warrior mindset" trainings. We had two muppets trying those on us as part of the Atlas trainings back in the day and 90% of people rightfully walked out.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 fortunately we hear about this training and we're pretty lucky to not have that be what we were taught lol. Arlington PD in 2017 still taught actual room clearing, BJJ, and that if you're having to use a taser, you're probably doing it wrong 🤣
@@OnlyCops Glad to know you were trained proper. Whenever i see those "be the alpha", "warrior mindset" or "everyone is out to get you"-idiots i want to ralph.
And wanted to ask if they knew Dylan and Eric was in the library couldn't they of sent in multiple officers in the school from both sides of the same school hall way that Dylan and Eric was at while Dylan and Eric was still shooting back in forth with the other officers outside while the other officers went in and shoot them in the library while they knew Dylan and Eric would be distracted due to the other cops outside exchanging fire with them and plus could of saved the shoot kids and teacher ...
There was definitely a lot of ways this could have been stopped sooner with better tactics from other officers and better weapons
What you gonna do with the rest of the school? Send more S.W.A.T in the other way. Princess gate incident involved around 35 troopers
nahhh y'all had me till the "i don't see bodycams" bit idc what situation it is gtfoh
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These guys worried about the radio giving their positions away, what about the cameraman following the officer around, hmmm?? xD
This is true! Maybe they have a cloak of invisibility or it's against the rules to see them 🤣
Ask command why they are stuck outside, look at what happened to Uvalde Texas.
It's universally accepted that Uvalde was a failure. Though this is a fictional event, this does demonstrate officers going in and engaging the suspect (as they should) which has been done by law enforcement plenty of times before and since (Nashville TN as the most recent example that made national news here in the states).
You guys said they had a few opportunities to stop the threat unfortunately the threat had multiple hostages during most of those encounters if they had rifles id say yeah take the shot cause theres a slimmer chance of missing the target and hitting the hostage by accident but with pistols at the distance they were in the cafeteria with multiple hostages and concealment i can see why they didnt take the shot
I'm 100% with you on that, you have to only take the shots you're willing to be held accountable for. My reason for bringing it up is if (and that's a big if) they had the capability to do so, they absolutely could have saved lives. This is why hands on skills, marksmanship in shooting, interpersonal skills and whatnot are so critical for police officers to have. As this scene demonstrated, not having them can and will cost lives.
dead bodies attract dead bodies.
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You should watch the French version of this, it’s the original a lot more real and engaging, this version is meh, but the other with Real Bossé and Claude Legault feels less Hollywood and more real, in the French version you feel like it’s the real deal and not some rehearse thing! Just saying!
We will add it to the list!
@@OnlyCops Before the terrible event that inspired this scene, school shootings weren't something anyone in Montreal would think of, at any time. In my opinion, the main difference between the two versions is that the first one (French-Canadian) really plunges you into the chaos that's going on; the students, staff and the policemen are all barely keeping it together. You feel this as soon as they open the door and see the first body.
@@julesdum that makes a lot of sense. Violence on any scale is awful, but I think these types of incidents are just unreal/ inexcusable.
So, a couple shows, SWAT (Sounds like you both are knowledgable on it), and Blue Bloods.
We will add it to the list!
I don’t see body cams 😂
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Did better than the ones in columbine .... And parkland...... And have you guys watched the movie run hide and fight by daily wire
19-2 did WAY better than all those you mentioned AND Uvalde PD lol it's also fictional though 😅
this is from 2014 Just FYI.
That makes sense! Thanks for the info and feedback!
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The frequency they’d written the officers leaving themselves vulnerable is insane. Concealment is not cover; both ways. Jiggling doors while standing full in the threshold is a bad idea + Discussions when someone can shoot through walls is a bad idea. Windows are death ports. Unchecked rooms/hallways in an area the shooter fled to are equally dangerous. Few trailers to set security on cleared areas, retain rear security (there were quickly enough LE on scene for this). Unsuppressed close quarters peeping without a raised weapon towards a shooter having a bead on your position. The hesitation and audible discussion over dropping an exposed shooter. The abject inability to even try to physically assist your dying partner. Flagging open areas with body/limb exposure and bad angles. The idiocy of deconsolidating an additional asset to your fireteam multiple times to lone wolf themselves (just on an errantly misplaced principle of a partner system) increasing their own risk of confliction with other units. Etc. Dramatically - Very sobering for people all the same.
It really demonstrates the difference between trained and untrained as well as shows vs reality. Great comments!
@@OnlyCops I’m a civilian, and Canadian at that, so would say it’d be distressing if average LE officers aren’t aware of basic CQB matters. Be safe out there trying to mitigate the failures of society to dispose people to law abidance.
This show is also like ten years old where cqb training and all that was not the hotness. And trust me you'll find plenty of cops everywhere that knows fuck all about cqb and all that
LOL most of the time the real victim is the kid with the gun. Just sad they don't have more training.
How so?
Meanwhile I'm just over here in Sweden in complete awe that you guys even have to have this much knowledge about school shootings. To a point where you can watch a fictional clip like this and draw real parallels to situations you've actually been in. Now, I understand that in America specifically there's a lot of pride in being able to own a gun, and protect your family and your home and all that jazz. I get that most likely that's never going to change. But here's a novel idea: You. Don't. Need. An. Assault. Rifle. For. That! Want to own a handgun that you're trained to use and keep safely in your home in case of an emergency? Fine. But you don't need to have access to anything as high powered as a rifle. I usually see people argue that "well, even if they just have a handgun they can still murder people" and while this is true in a general sense, a handgun does not compare to an assault rifle. The damage you can do with one does not compare to the damage you can do with the other.
And some people are just so gosh dang insistent on owning guns that you want to rip your hair out. There's an older episode of Dr. Phil (yuck over that guy, but I digress) where a mum's on the show because she's concerned that her young son might actually be a budding school shooter. Dr. Phil is like "so ya'll got any guns in your home" and the mum replies "oh, yes, about fifty of them". THE HECK?! Who on earth needs that many guns?! And in a home with someone you actually suspect might take them and go out and murder kids?! Where would you even store that many guns? Like, in ten gun safe's tucked against a wall? In bowls around the house like violent pot-puri? Dear lord, make it make sense!
Sorry for the absolute rant, you guys were actually very informative and I did appreciate this video, it's just so baffling to me. When I was in school as a kid the most I had to worry about were if I'd accidentally call the teacher mum, or if Jessica had told Anna that I had said her birthday party was boring, or if the guy I had a crush on would talk to me that day... I never went to school wondering if that would be the day I would be murdered. I wish videos like this didn't need to exist because no one would ever need to have this knowledge, whether you're a cop or just a civilian.
I totally appreciate your passion and prospective on the subject. To be fair, Bi and I were police officer in a very bad part of a very bad city that was far from representative of America as a whole it's actually incredibly rare for officers to respond to a call like this even if they have a 20 year career.
We are an incredibly large and diverse country and unique issues from one country to the next. Places like Chicago and Los Angeles have FAR more violent crime than 99% of our country, but we are often treated like a monolith in memes/political conversations.
It would be like combining the violence in Ukraine or Syria to Sweden's and saying "Europe is such a dangerous place to live". America, despite what the internet would like you to think is an incredibly safe place and we have fewer guns and more gun restrictions now than ever in our nation's history. The uptick in "gun violence is indicative more from the current trend of political divisiveness and news sensationalizing what's happening here rather than our daily reality.
I'm in marketing, if someone you are watching or reading is causing you to have a strong emotional response, it's likely trying to bias you. It's why we do this show 😊
@@OnlyCops I definitely get what you're saying. Obviously not being American and never having lived there I'm not going to pretend that I *get* it completely. I simply can't, and as you say the information I do have access to is largely biased, regardless of which direction it's biased towards.
And I do appreciate that there are channels like yours that do talk frankly about subjects like this from personal experience and not with a specific political agenda or anything. Just sharing your thoughts and feelings based on actual things you've seen and gone through - regardless of what the subject matter is or what country someone's from I think this is extremely important.
I guess in a sense it just saddens me that this channel and videos like this are even needed. Like, for example when you guys talked about how in this situation there's no talking to the kid with a gun it's just about taking him out to protect the other innocent kids in the school - it saddens me that this is a reality. I agree with it, in a situation like this there is no de-escalating there is only stopping the perpetrator by any means necessary even if it means taking their life. But at the same time it's sad that that's how it has to be handled, you know?
I appreciate the answer and I'm absolutely not trying to paint America as the worst country ever (because let's face it, it's not, even I know that) but when it comes to school shootings and such it does get the most world wide coverage and the information is way more accessible (although of course not always accurate).
Thank you for the reply and for a further explanation. I do take pride in the fact that I do want to know the truth regardless of whether it aligns with what I'd previously thought or not, and I don't just swallow everything and anything I see/read as absolute fact without questioning the validity of the information.
So these guys just proved that every scene in Hollywood might have some facts in it but is romanticized to some extent that it just doesn't look real. Here you go internet, you got your answer. Now, can everyone please stop wanking over this scene? Have you watched the rest of the show? It's shit!
I’ve seen the show in French and it’s done a lot better in my opinion, if you have the chance you should react to it
I guess we could use subtitles 😅 is it completely different or just in a different language?
@@OnlyCops the show is filmed in a darker tone and the episode with more emotion, like you can tell that they are afraid and some of the scenes are shot a bit differently with a bit more focus on the two protagonists (Berroff and Chartier) and less jumping around. If you have time I recommend watching it
Nice video!! but stop saying its rare calculated 38 mass killings in usa in 2023 its not rare lol
Thanks for the comment 😊
When it comes to America, we are collectively the most complex populations in the world, not to mention among the biggest. Though our issues are definitely unique, when you look at crime overall (even including violent crime like shootings) it's incredibly rare to see events like what was depicted here. Though 1 is far too many, when we share the world with both individuals, gangs, and governments; there is unfortunately the unavoidable reality of human nature. We are pretty far from have anyone follow a universal moral code that we can all agree on and I would hate to be in a world where a small group of people get to decide that for us all. Individual sovereignty, bodily autonomy, and self determinism unfortunately create suffering
And they need to train kids especially and teachers to find a way to take down the shooters .. but also if they do would the cops know the kids that took down the shooters aren't the shooters right off hand or do they automatically shoot or investigate or arrest ?
Sorry you want kids to be trained to take down an active shooter? Who has a gun and can easily blow their brains out?
@@hufflepuffler2575it’s called self defense training and run hide fight u dingbat
"I'd put one more just to be sure."
"Yeah, I don't see bodycams.
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Acts of terrorism are pretty sinister
ik ofc its the right thing its just pretty funny👹@@OnlyCops
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We keep it real here 😅
Amend your gun laws for Christ's sake, surley your childrens right to survive a school year is more important than a 2nd amendment
This is a pretty limited prospective on what's really a more complicated issue. More guns won't help the same way less guns won't help prevent these situations.
As someone who has actually saved childrens lives (and have been at ground zero when it's too late) there are WAY more than just laws or lack there of dropping the ball when these awful situations play themselves out.
Guns are by far one of the most legislated against items a person can own here in America and it's done nothing to curb the overall issue we have with violence.
These scenarios are often utilized on both sides of the argument because it's either sell more guns or take them away. Gain votes or lose votes for which ever party is your flavor. But nobody ever wants to talk about the underlying issues around the senseless violence or what wasn't done to prevent it. Instead then pounce on it as an opportunity to get political brownie points while those of us who have actually been victimized are left holding the bag.
The actual solution to this issue is somewhere between where you and I sit on this politically, but it's unfortunate that today's culture surrounding discourse likely will prevent us as a society to get there.
@@OnlyCops surely you see the disbelief that other 1st world countries have where atrocities like this do not happen and where firearms are not illegal, only the laws to get one are very strict. Unfortunately the US will always have its school children taken from their schools in body bags every year until your gun laws are amended. Every US school child's death since Sandyhook has regrettably been in vain and meaningless if the lessons to save just 1 child after every shooting is ignored 😔
so , this reminds me of the 1st time my bestfriend caught up in some shooting when he was a rookie officer and in the middle of the shooting he sends me a voice message where he asks me to take care of his parents if he never returns . To be honest , I was scared too. those were the hardest 30 mins of my life . after 30 mins we get a call stating officer Murphy is shot and is in surgery right now . Me whole panicked and all goes to the hospital finding out that he is out of danger and that dog was shot in his butt. I laughed so hard even the nurse couldn't resist , I know I am a terrible friend LOL . And to a fair coincidence , the episode of Brooklyn 99 when Detective Boyle gets shot in his butt was aired. We streamed that episode in his hospital room and that's how that show became our favourite LOL . Its Season 1 , ep 11 I guess , HAHAHA .....Hey , you can react to that too , it's a funny episode . I used to make fun of him asking if his buttholes are okay🤣. Sadly he passed away from pancreatic cancer at just 26 , I still miss his beautiful smile❤🩹
Thank you for sharing that with us. His memory will now living with a few more people. God bless you and I hope he's smiling on us 🥰
@@OnlyCops thanks 🥹🤗
Just carry some mini bolt cutters. "Padlocked CANNOT ENTER" is a pussy excuse.
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It's definitely an intense moment