Trees vs Water - What Makes A Good Emergency Landing Site? Day 9 of the 31 Day Safer Pilot Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- Welcome to Day 9 of the Safer Pilot Challenge 2024.
In this video we look at how to choose the best landing site in an emergency and import factors to consider.
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9 for 9 - I play “the game” on every flight. One thing not mentioned is wind on emergency landings. As I play “the game”, I try to take wind into account as well …
So smart!!!
9 for 9, I have always been on the lookout for an off airport landing site and had to use a farmers field in the past with no incident to anything and was able to fly it out of the same field with no incident. Additionally the farmer was super nice!! Of course my elderly grandmother that was with me wanted to know why the cows were that close to the runway!!
I remember going with my son and his instructor on a flight. He covered this, and I wont ever forget it. Keep scanning.
9:9-Playing the game was hammered into me by my instructors and I am grateful. I have also talked my family through this, not to freak them out, but to take the “scary mystery” out of flying and let them know we always have options. Of course, I also stress that the game is very unlikely to manifest in a real emergency but that I will handle it on the odd chance it does.
So good!
9/9. Excellent! As you mentioned at the end of the video, the critical thing is to be able to decelerate as slowly as possible. "Leave a long skidmark" as they say. The more G's you can dissipate during the stop, the better chance you have to survive. Every extra foot makes a difference.
One more point: aircraft owners sometimes try to save their plane. Don't even consider this. When that aircraft fails, it's only job is to protect the occupants (and those on the ground). Once the engine fails, the insurance company owns the plane!
Skin first, then tin!
9 of 9... I've played the "where would I land?" game since my instructor drilled that into me 30 years ago. One of the most important lessons I hope never to use.
9 for 9 really interesting statistics. Love “the game” to make sure you’re always aware.
Thanks 9 x 9. I played that game even more flying across the ocean. Even multi engines can quit. Always have a plan.
9 for 9. I am doing this with every flight. "where would I land" My wife helps play the game, and I always enlist any others pilots with me do the same.
Foreflight's glide rings are a great aid!
9 for 9! Always playing the game on every flight. Best to have an emergency landing site and not need it than to suddenly need one and not have it.
9 for 9. Sometimes my instructor likes to point out “that looks like a good place to land if we had an engine failure,” so I prep myself for a mock engine failure. Sometimes I point out spots before she gets to it so that she knows I’m looking also. It’s a good “game” to play
Twenty - five years ago, next month, was taking a time building flight with a fellow commercial ground school chum. Three hour flight suddenly went silent, over an ocean bay ( Nova Scotia ), and we became a glider at 1500 ft. ( was passenger, so, NOT PIC ) Not a lot of time. Best option - peninsula ahead 1.5 miles. CRM used - aimed for two huge trees. Ripped wings off to decelerate. Fell maybe 10 ft. Six hours in hospital. PIC had cut to head. I had broken tailbone, a few cuts, and wicked bruising.
Your comments on boots rings very loud with me. Fortunately, that didn’t happen. Location was someone’s backyard, so care was almost instant. EMS was on scene within minutes. Came to with military C130 overhead - had been training less than 10 minutes away.
Every word you spoke, is gospel !!!!!
Being vigilant is key, but as you say / never tell your passengers what you are thinking, unless they wonder, out loud, why you’re so curious about ‘What’s down there ?’
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I asked a pilot friend of mine when I was in flight school the question 'how often do you look for places to land when you're flying?'. His response was 'always'. Nine for nine.
At first I was surprised by the low fatality rates cited, then I remembered this is about forced landings and not CFIT and inadvertent VFR into IMC. Thanks for the stats!
9 of 9. Excellent analysis! My old instructor started "The Game" with me from day one. Also talked of "Following the Jolly Green Giant's footsteps" (open pastures in and amongst the wooded areas) on cross countries. Have ridden through on forced landing when we suffered a propellor blade failure in cruise on our way home from Oshkosh. Father-in-law did a wonderful job of putting us down on a rural Iowa highway in his Long EZ. The late summer cornfields weren't a good option as they were mature and 6' tall. Trailered the plane to the town's airport (where we were gliding towards), checked everything out, made some minor repairs, put on a new prop and we flew it home 3 days later. Met a lot of nice people... :)
9 for 9……I made the mistake of playing the game with my CFI out loud: “If the engine quit right now, I would land in that parking lot”. They didn’t take too kindly and said they were superstitious. Even though they didn’t like it, they did say “Good job for keeping that in mind though”.
9/9! Love these videos!
9 of 9 done. Really good information here but one thing that is not mentioned is the altitude factor. I personally like to fly as high as possible, especially if it's a cross-country flight. The way I see it the higher you are in the event of an engine failure you have altitude on your side to help you scan for a suitable area and having the longest glide time possible to find the best landing site and reach it. Planning can also help. Along with flying at a high altitude I also like to plan my route so I can fly over or nearby any airfields depicted in the charts.
9 for 9 another great video with some facts. Thank you!
9 for 9. In south Florida, my CFI mentioned to look for the white roads - either roads with traffic or shell rock canal roads. The fields unfortunately are likely muck and not going to be a smooth landing. Great video and thank you for the statistics.
Nine for nine!! Great videos, keep them coming…all good reminders and always new nuggets to take away! Thank you Jason.
Great video, thank you! 9/9
Wonderful data and discussion! Thank you!
9/9! Thanks for pushing the comfort zone a bit… I like that you’re talking worst case scenarios.
9 for 9, had to catch up on the last 2 videos
Thank you Jason!
GREAT conversation. Thank you.
9 for 9, great stuff thanks!
9/9. Thanks Jason for the great insights that you are providing!
9 FOR 9 Jason - a great video series - Thanks !
8 for 8! I’m going to start practicing this with my students again. Simulating an emergency over an airport and getting them to get us on the ground. See what it takes to actually hit your spot when you really need to! Great video!
9 for 9 Great info and great teaching!!! Thank you Jason!!!
9 for 9. Great info, thanks!
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Great as always!
THANK YOU Jason!
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9 for 9!!! Always great videos!!
9 for 9 Jason. Loving the videos. What I love is your dedication, concern contributions towards the teaching fellow pilots to be safe. You are not out there to make a quick buck. I am trying out your online ground school and I think it’s fantastic. I am sure many more feel the same way as me. Keep doing the great work you’re doing!
9/9 this video is so valuable!
9:9!!!!! Loving this content
9 of 9! This bad weather we're having in NE Illinois/SE Wisconsin has me grounded, but your videos keep me learning. Thanks, Jason!
9 for 9. Great information with useful statistics that I hadn’t heard! Thank you for keeping the great content coming!
9 for 9! What great information-thank you!
9 for 9. Great video, and great statistics to keep in mind while flying!
9-9. Great info
9 for 9 - Great data! Thanks for the insights!
Catching up after the weekend.
9 for 9. good stuff Jason.
9-9. thanks for the content and all the work that goes into it- in the plane and behind the cameras
9 for 9. Thanks for this Jason
9 for 9! Thank you! Great information
9 for 9 - Great information!
9/9... thanks for the stats!
Yep, I play this game too. I always wondered trees vs water, since I live near mountainous terrain with frequent lakes.
9 for 9! Interesting stats. We have "played the game" since we started flying in 1997. My husband and I are both pilots, so we frequently have the conversation out loud. We fly on the west coast, so every flight is a mountain flight. There's a lot of unforgiving land, but looking for the best option is important. Thank you again!
9 for 9, thank you Jason. Thank you for the tip on using a shoe as a door wedge.
9 for 9 Thanks man.
#9. Lot to consider,
9 for 9, always on the lookout for a emergency landing spots. Great tips Jason.
9/9 ..sound advice and great food for thought…
9 for 9. Excellent video and good statistical information. Thanks!
9 for 9 !!! Absolutely love these videos …especially the great advice that you offer Jason…THANK YOU!!!👍
9 for 9 loving the information
9 for 9. Important game for sure, always looking for possibilities.
9 for 9. For mountain flying besides watching for the open field, we want to land in the lower terrain... because you will likely be there at least overnight, it is warmer in the lower terrain, there are more people down low, and you will likely be found sooner because the ground search and rescue teams can get to you sooner. Mountain Flying Aviation in Colorado. Jer/ Eberhard
9 for 9. the recent new intro is awesome
9 for 9! Thanks! MZeroA!
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Great hearing the data, some of it is surprising.
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9 for 9!! Roger That! Thanks Jason !
9 of 9 ! Have to say Jason this is the Aviator channel that just keeps giving. More CFI tips would be great .
Thank you my friend!!!
9 for 9. Thanks to you Jason, we are " Always Learning " Bob
9 for 9. I listened to a Canadian bush pilot explain if it is choice between trees or water choose the trees. Landing on water could be like landing on concrete and you could be knocked unconscious and if the plane sinks your dead.
9 for 9. This was a good one for me since I fly over Lake Michigan sometimes between Northern Michigan and Wisconsin. I always play that game also...looking for my best landing location. I recently installed SmartGlide on my Archer and it adds more peace of mind while flying. Thanks for these Jason. FYI just had the chicken and waffles at Albert Whitted in St Pete...not too shabby.
I live in Wisconsin. The pilot examiner for my checkride specifically talked about not flying over lake Michigan because of engine failure and being in the middle of the lake. He said you freeze to death in lake Michigan in a matter of minutes. He told me if you value your life you will fly around it. Something to consider.
For sure, totally understand and I typically do it in the summer. Asked an instructor once about twin vs single and he said either one can have an engine failure and it's still risky. Even in my Archer, at 11,000 feet I'm in 10-15 miles of the point of no return halfway over so he suggested in the summer, aim for a boat and circle to land so I'm constantly watching for boats. In addition, I actually wear my lifevest on the trip. Thanks for the reply.@@BoardsofCapital
9 for 9, I don’t mind a longer video when it covers this type of flying information great job!!
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9 of 9 … great aviation safety info. With each lesson I become a better pilot.
9 for 9! Great video to give your input on where to land in an engine failure scenario!
Great comment about the stats potentially being skewed for roads, because we only hear about the incidents where there was injury/damage and not the successes. There is a famous story of World War II bomber survivability where analysts plotted the areas on returning bombers which had the most bullet holes, and decision-makers wanted to reinforce those areas...UNTIL someone noted that the areas where the returning bombers WEREN'T hit were the more vulnerable areas, because bombers that were hit there didn't make it back.
Personally, in the event of an engine failure I'm going for a major (multi-lane) road where available, especially at night, because they're more likely to be illuminated so I can better gauge my touchdown vs. setting a descent rate into pitch-black terrain and continuously bracing for impact.
9 for 9. Good stuff
9 for 9. All caught up. Enjoyed every video.
9 of 9 and interesting stats!
9/9 my instructor always puts this in out thinking when we fly, and now anytime I'm up with other pilots I always think the same . Thank you for the amazing videos MzeroA team!!!!
9 for 9, Thanks Jason
9 for 9. Ver y informative and useful.
9 for 9! One of the best investments in upgrading to dual GI-275s is getting real time wind aloft data and synthetic vision. I got my PPL in 1990 pre-GPS/ iPads/etc. While I believe in having a strong core in basic airmanship, I think its pure ignorance to not embrace all tech and tools in today's flying environment.
9/9. Great videos. Since most of my flying was in the plains states (KS, OK, NE) I looked mostly for open fields of which there were plenty.
9 for 9. We always play the “where would we land” game! I’ve been looking forward to this video. I’ve often wondered which options were better than others. Thank you!
9 for 9. I also play “the game” on every flight. Thanks for the statistics, I was surprised with water landings as I have always put that at the bottom of my list of places to land.
9 for 9. My “written” exam contained a question regarding the differences between minor and serious injuries. I had completely forgotten the details, so I appreciate the refresher in case the subject arises in my upcoming checkride. Great video as usual Jason.
9 for 9 Sir 👍😇👌OUTSTANDING INFORMATIVE VIDEO SIR Cheers 👌👌😇😇👍👍🍻🍻
9 for 9! Always looking for the next spot!
9/9 really good video. So many decisions to make, having to decide the best in an emergency is hard but key. I play the best place to land game allllll the time. Thanks Jason!!!!
9/9. Missed a coupla',days - catching up now. This was a really good one.
9 for 9 baby!!
9 for 9, Jason!
9 for 9. Also my favorite game to plane on XC. But water for me 100%, less risk to injure others.
9 for 9. Things are going great. Cant wait for good flying weather.
9 for 9. Been struggling with emergencies lately so this really helped!!
9 for 9. Terrific summary analysis. I’m always playing the game. My G1000 has a “nearest” feature that you can keep displayed and watch your nearest airports change inflight.
9 for 9! .. I am always looking where I am and my surroundings just in case.
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