I love this guy cant stop finding more about him. 😍 The people who dont remember Jaron Lanier and his ilk for their contributions to A.I and Software Development. We ordinary people take for granted are the ones who will blindly be subservient to the Overlords who control them for Economic gains all whilst completely losing our Freedom to be Human!
@@vinceofyork Well, it's not about owning your thoughts like you own a car or a house. The meaning is slightly different here. It means that certain thoughts (in the form of expressed knowledge, perceptions and associations) are particular to this individual, to *his* way of thinking. As long as it is true (and it is, unequivocally) that only certain people can come up with certain ideas and associations, it's practical to say that these ideas are theirs.
I think it was actually cool, the music didn't suit my taste, but so the hell what!!!!! Who do we think we are as people that everything a person does has to be pleasing to us? He seemed to enjoy playing, and at the end of the day, that's all any of us want....freedom to do and be whatever we want.....
A very special Man, nice song …… sounds like peak hour traffic !!!!! I have always enjoyed “ industrial noises and sounds created by human endeavours, usually cacophonous but rearranged to a unique reflection of human evolution. Eccentric above and beyond the scale , got to love the boundary pushers !!!!! For some there are no boundaries
I wish i would've known of Jaron sooner. Here it is March 22, 2020. If only we could have been seeing things as he did 10 years ago, how would we all, as a human race be responding and reacting to this terrible time with the COVID-19 outbreak?
I don't think one should necessarily respect people who disagree with one, but rather appreciate that profound difference in opinion is often fruitful, and some difference in opinion is almost always productive.
I've always found it very valuable to find someone you have great respect for that disagrees with you profoundly. Kudos to Mr Lanier for pointing it out and for making intelligent arguments against ideas I believe in strongly.
a month ago i got to experience true VR using the oculus rift, and i had a meeting with over 10 others in minecraft, we all met with microphones with positional audio. it is amazing.
I liked the music! Never heard of this instrument! Sounds like it’s in some gamelan tuning maybe. Reminds me a bit of Terry Riley’s album ‘Shri Camel’.
10:30 that is actually damn cool. That we can learn to move a virtual lobster like that. Can you imagine 100 years from now, the artistic types that are gifted in how they can dance or play sports - they could learn to pilot some insanely complex robotics people are so damn cool this guy is optimistic and it makes me so happy to hear him
I thought it was a collection of wonderful contrasting textured sounds. Your ears just aren't accustomed to it. But be open, rid the conventions and just do some listening.
The whole thing is worth watching, especially if you aren't familiar with Jaron Lanier. But 16:40-20:00 of this clip is just fantastic--a little dense maybe, but food for thought for anyone these days that has become mixed up in all of this.
xinezito I thought the same, sounded like car horns and an analogy to traffic to give way and talk about people stuck on the internet but he didn’t say that lol
19:46 I know that the original internet was a project to connect military research facilities, nothing more. For sure it was not intended as a place where middle class people could sell each other stuff. It partly became that when it was opened to more people in the 80s.
High level summary & thoughts about what he's working on (as Comp Sci researcher), thinking about, writing about. Main topic is the human experience of controlling Avatars (eg Kinect), including our use of sub-conscious brain programs (such as when playing a music intsrument). At very end he goes on brief tangent about distaste for common online business model. Eg make everything free, & have some huge company (facebook google etc) get most of the $ & power via spying for targeted advertising.
yeh, and some nonsense about how voluntary organization is corrupt compared to present day big business? how the fck did he come to that conclusion despite the rather thin piece of proposed "evidence"
in greek they are pan pipes.... the name differs in different countries. they do not appear to stem from one source of invention or nationality.. but appear to have been "discovered" in a few parts of the world independently.
REGARDLESS OF IT´S DEPARTURE FROM OUR OWN CONCEPT OF MUSIC, THIS INSTRUMENT IS A NOISE MAKER WHICH STILL EXISTS AS ON NEW YEARS EVE. BUT THE MAN FRIGHTENS ME. HE MAKES ME INSECURE ABOUT WHAT A HUMAN IS, AND I DON´T KNOW HOW TO ASSIMILATE HIM.
Avatars, the evolution of technology, the way that the internet should be...... Am I missing something? I didn't hear a comprehensive message, what was "the point" of this?
I too, thought it was painful. I'm convinced that the instrument itself can produce some great sounding music, however, Lanier just doesn't have the musical comprehension to make that happen. There were a couple of occasions wherein he NEARLY manages to do a basic 7->8ve resolve, and fails due to his lack of musical knowledge.
Why is the intro narrated by a synthesized voice instead of just having a real person do it? That's totally unnecessary and extremely ironic considering the kind of stuff that Lanier is criticizing.
Perhaps I AM being elitist, but is it somehow worse than being pretentious? (that's what it's called when you pretend to be able to play an instrument)
i love this gentlemen and wish him to be with us for a long time ;however unless he has a medical cause , how can a high thinker like he, who speaks of dopamine and addiction to technology and such a thought leader ; someone whom we look to for the guidance on moving into the future and of knowing our true selves .. when he seems to have a serious problem with his weight ?? i don’t mean just over weight ;he appears to have serious serious abdominal obesity his demeanour dress and hair indicate a natural approach to life .. yet his body cries out out food addiction , processed food obsession , blood sugar rollercoaster insulin resistance and liver adiposity i hope someone shames me and explains that he has some serious case of cushing disease or ?? someone please ? or pray for us
No one really acts entirely rationally. He probably knows it affects his health negatively, but I doubt he cares about the social aspects, like judgments. Quite a few people with original ideas don't care much about social judgment, and have often thought themselves into rather unconventional values. He just has things that interest him more than his health, ultimately.
Mr. Jaron Lanier A brilliant, down to Earth and Truthful man . Informs all about what is going on with Technology. 😎👍
This guy belongs in the galactic bar in Star Wars with this instrument.
yes
I love this guy cant stop finding more about him. 😍 The people who dont remember Jaron Lanier and his ilk for their contributions to A.I and Software Development. We ordinary people take for granted are the ones who will blindly be subservient to the Overlords who control them for Economic gains all whilst completely losing our Freedom to be Human!
im watching this in 2021, just bought my first Virtual Reality today. Thank you Jaron, you were right.
I really like this guy, what a brilliant mind!
His books are very good too!
The world needs to listen to this prophet.
He is a brilliant human being. Jaron has a beautiful Soul. i am grateful.
When you see his eyes, it's like he's gazing into this wide space in front of him that nobody else can see, which is his mind.
Not 'his' mind but our mind. We don't own anything. Ownership is a thought story trying to measure and make it it's own.
@@vinceofyork Well, it's not about owning your thoughts like you own a car or a house. The meaning is slightly different here. It means that certain thoughts (in the form of expressed knowledge, perceptions and associations) are particular to this individual, to *his* way of thinking. As long as it is true (and it is, unequivocally) that only certain people can come up with certain ideas and associations, it's practical to say that these ideas are theirs.
@@cassianowogel I see what you're saying. The word 'mind' is used differently in various circles and disciplines.
I think it was actually cool, the music didn't suit my taste, but so the hell what!!!!! Who do we think we are as people that everything a person does has to be pleasing to us? He seemed to enjoy playing, and at the end of the day, that's all any of us want....freedom to do and be whatever we want.....
A very special Man, nice song …… sounds like peak hour traffic !!!!!
I have always enjoyed “ industrial noises and sounds created by human endeavours, usually cacophonous but rearranged to a unique reflection of human evolution. Eccentric above and beyond the scale , got to love the boundary pushers !!!!!
For some there are no boundaries
I wish i would've known of Jaron sooner. Here it is March 22, 2020. If only we could have been seeing things as he did 10 years ago, how would we all, as a human race be responding and reacting to this terrible time with the COVID-19 outbreak?
I don't think one should necessarily respect people who disagree with one, but rather appreciate that profound difference in opinion is often fruitful, and some difference in opinion is almost always productive.
EclecticSceptic gghhjkh
I've always found it very valuable to find someone you have great respect for that disagrees with you profoundly. Kudos to Mr Lanier for pointing it out and for making intelligent arguments against ideas I believe in strongly.
a month ago i got to experience true VR using the oculus rift, and i had a meeting with over 10 others in minecraft, we all met with microphones with positional audio. it is amazing.
I liked the music! Never heard of this instrument! Sounds like it’s in some gamelan tuning maybe. Reminds me a bit of Terry Riley’s album ‘Shri Camel’.
Shri Camel vibes for sure
10:30 that is actually damn cool. That we can learn to move a virtual lobster like that.
Can you imagine 100 years from now, the artistic types that are gifted in how they can dance or play sports - they could learn to pilot some insanely complex robotics
people are so damn cool
this guy is optimistic and it makes me so happy to hear him
"homunculer flexibility"
well that should make anyone smile
12:30
is it me or does that instrument remind u of the sound dial up makes
freedom from wearing business suits, his artistic prowess, his incredible mind.
That instrument was LA traffic.
that music in the beginning ... sounds like DMT ;)
2024 Apple Vision- prophetic dude
The piece is called "Traffic jam"
And his opening is his music work called Harmonic Gridlock!
I thought it was a collection of wonderful contrasting textured sounds. Your ears just aren't accustomed to it. But be open, rid the conventions and just do some listening.
The whole thing is worth watching, especially if you aren't familiar with Jaron Lanier.
But 16:40-20:00 of this clip is just fantastic--a little dense maybe, but food for thought for anyone these days that has become mixed up in all of this.
1:34 is like a traffic jam in New York
xinezito I thought the same, sounded like car horns and an analogy to traffic to give way and talk about people stuck on the internet but he didn’t say that lol
For those who are still wondering what was the musical instrument that he played (and definitely not written as 'can'):
Wikipedia and /wiki/Khene
This is awesome. The potential and vision hes got is amazing. We are turning into Wall=E. Watch that movie and you can see what we are heading into.
2020. Mad respect, still.
Weird that a robot is reading the text for the opening intro. Seems to contradict what Lanier is saying.
Not weird at all. Lanier is awfully incoherent.
Antonio Lopez thatsthejoke.jpg
Bryan Alexander and Chernobyl Coleslaw: it's been transcribed for the visually impaired, you twits.
GGirl99 ok no need to be snarky.
I actually really liked the music!
That song sounds like an LA traffic jam.
19:46 I know that the original internet was a project to connect military research facilities, nothing more. For sure it was not intended as a place where middle class people could sell each other stuff. It partly became that when it was opened to more people in the 80s.
@Margatroid
Did you even listen to the lecture? He not only supports technology, but is a major contributor to advances in technology.
I love this guy!!
High level summary & thoughts about what he's working on (as Comp Sci researcher), thinking about, writing about. Main topic is the human experience of controlling Avatars (eg Kinect), including our use of sub-conscious brain programs (such as when playing a music intsrument). At very end he goes on brief tangent about distaste for common online business model. Eg make everything free, & have some huge company (facebook google etc) get most of the $ & power via spying for targeted advertising.
yeh, and some nonsense about how voluntary organization is corrupt compared to present day big business? how the fck did he come to that conclusion despite the rather thin piece of proposed "evidence"
Its sounds like loads of cars at a junction when the traffic lights aren’t working 🙉
Jaron在演讲开始时演奏了一种有8000年历史的老挝乐器 "坎"（Can），并断言这是第一个二进制代码技术：一排有序的物体，要么打开要么关闭。他开始讲述自己实验室发明虚拟形象的第一手资料，以及它们可能的发展方向。 他坚持他30年来的预测，即虚拟现实将在2020或2025年成熟。在演讲的最后，他对凯文·凯利的作品《技术想要什么》进行了深刻的反驳--他说他非常尊重凯文的工作，但他自己的论点与凯利的论点是相反的。他分享了对算法使我们彼此脱节的担忧，对我们在网上彼此合作的模式的担忧，以及对社会规则的重写。
This actually sounds like the modem I had in the 90s
Yes he is indeed a brilliant mind. but the music was... wow.... it was like watching ross playing bagpipe...
Onur Kaya :))))))))))))))))));
that's what pop culture has been basically about.... the recording of who we are , then becoming that definition. The abstraction, as in an Avatar.
also why didn't he just put the instrument down?
18:00 onwards. Is. SO. AMazing. Computers and Humanism.
the Instrument is a Khaen
in greek they are pan pipes.... the name differs in different countries.
they do not appear to stem from one source of invention or nationality..
but appear to have been "discovered" in a few parts of the world independently.
For a transcript of Jaron's Lanier's talk, see:
glamour-and-discourse.blogspot.com/p/jaron-lanier-you-are-not-gadget-ted-x.html
That pipe instrument sounds like a dial up tone
REGARDLESS OF IT´S DEPARTURE FROM OUR OWN CONCEPT OF MUSIC, THIS INSTRUMENT IS A NOISE MAKER WHICH STILL EXISTS AS ON NEW YEARS EVE. BUT THE MAN FRIGHTENS ME. HE MAKES ME INSECURE ABOUT WHAT A HUMAN IS, AND I DON´T KNOW HOW TO ASSIMILATE HIM.
his music sounds like a bunch of angry new yorkers honking the car horns
9:52 jordan peterson likes that
That instrument sounds like an old messed up vhs tape lol
The Koch brothers are like evil villains in a James Bond movie.
The instrument sounds like a train honking as its colliding with an aliens spaceship. Interesting instrument.
Awesome
It's year 2020...and still we are not hit VR as common thing. Only rich Western countries have them.
2020. No VR simulated world yet, but the epidemic really is and will be, making things faster speaking about technology.
Recording who we are, unless the artist got it wrong then you already are that 'definition' and there isn't anything to become.
Beautiful intro Jaron:)
2020 was a pretty good guess
Way cool. I love how Jaron's mouth doesn't move when he laughs. Kinda creepy
@Margatroid I think that's the point
The universe is music Kevin. I call it..the cosmic key.
Jaron on Big Data in Music ! soundcloud.com/diggart/jaron-lanier-big-data
Profound for people who don't read books. I don't get it. Meandering around in circles.
A Role Model!
Sirus Das *roll
Avatars, the evolution of technology, the way that the internet should be...... Am I missing something? I didn't hear a comprehensive message, what was "the point" of this?
sounded good to me, what was wrong with it?
My Thai husband has his hair, but I play the kaen :D
good video
Where can I find a transcript?
Ted lost me when they stoped that one about capitalism. They guy was right about it.
Mike Oxsbigg what are you referring to? Sounds interesting
LISAN AL GAIB
Sounds like traffic in New York.
Matt Donaldson AHAHAHAA I feel bad for laughing but LOL 🤣
Brilliant but the instrument sounds like traffic.
I bet he made the Dial up Tune too. lol
BTW. Moon Dust for Commodore 64 roxx! :}
I too, thought it was painful. I'm convinced that the instrument itself can produce some great sounding music, however, Lanier just doesn't have the musical comprehension to make that happen. There were a couple of occasions wherein he NEARLY manages to do a basic 7->8ve resolve, and fails due to his lack of musical knowledge.
19:17 yes most of us are familiar with socialism
What do the dreadlocks symbolize?
sooooooooooooo interesting!
Tooltime anybody?
Jaron
What one about capitalism?
Why is the intro narrated by a synthesized voice instead of just having a real person do it? That's totally unnecessary and extremely ironic considering the kind of stuff that Lanier is criticizing.
Margatroid I think something flew over your head- oh wait it was the point!
This guy... He didn't invent avatars........................................................
my ears are bleeding
The essential difference between myself and Mr. Lanier, apart from the obvious difference in age, is that Mr. Lanier is a public figure :))
it's too bad you have to be so hateful
Interesting how thats what you take away from this video lol
He's great but I can't help but think his labored breathing needs some real world exercise.
here i am again
settle down crown...sheesh
He better stick to talking about internet and now "music".
Why is he breathing so heavily?
There is nothing slavelike about welfare. You mean salaries in Germany are too low?
Perhaps I AM being elitist, but is it somehow worse than being pretentious? (that's what it's called when you pretend to be able to play an instrument)
I know other Jewish guys just like him.
i love this gentlemen and wish him to be with us for a long time ;however unless he has a medical cause , how can a high thinker like he, who speaks of dopamine and addiction to technology and such a thought leader ; someone whom we look to for the guidance on moving into the future and of knowing our true selves .. when he seems to have a serious problem with his weight ??
i don’t mean just over weight ;he appears to have serious serious abdominal obesity
his demeanour dress and hair indicate a natural approach to life .. yet his body cries out out food addiction , processed food obsession , blood sugar rollercoaster insulin resistance and liver adiposity
i hope someone shames me
and explains that he has some serious case of cushing disease or ??
someone please ?
or pray
for us
Nobody is or can be perfect in every aspect of life.
No one really acts entirely rationally. He probably knows it affects his health negatively, but I doubt he cares about the social aspects, like judgments. Quite a few people with original ideas don't care much about social judgment, and have often thought themselves into rather unconventional values. He just has things that interest him more than his health, ultimately.
Lobsters again? not you too…
bath-time, anyone?
You clearly have no idea what he's talking about.