Flywoo Firefly Baby Nano 1s vs. iFlight Baby Nazgul 1s 73mm (Flight Experiences)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- 🚁 Flywoo Firefly Baby Nano 1s
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** This is the newer version, because the one in this video is not sold anymore.
#flywoo #iflight #drone
─── Table of Contents ───
- Intro to Flywoo 1s & iFlight 1s: 0:00
- Flywoo Firefly Baby Nano 1s Flight : 0:38
- iFlight Baby Nazgul 1s 73mm Flight: 6:38
- Conclusions; Which One?!: 14:29
─── Disclosure ───
I’ve received the iFlight Nazgul product courtesy of a vendor. The Flywoo Nano was purchased by me. This video description contains sponsored affiliate links, which means that if you click on one of the product links, it will support the channel. 
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This was awesome John. I was looking a that baby nazgul. So glad you did this video. Thanks brother.I’ll be getting the baby Nazgul 👍
Try a 600mah LiHV battery for the Nazgul. Will be a little heavier but should be more flight time.
Always good stuff John!! Make me want to get one lol
I think you would love these, either of them really you can't go wrong. They're so capable, man. Every year I've been amazed at the improvements in the micro brushless drone category. Thanks bud!
Great video, John! Fantastic freestyle.
Many thanks!
Very informative , thanks , I clicked both links to help your channel 👍
Wow, thanks I really appreciate it! If you ever need something and can only find or get it from there, using the link for that that helps me out too! 🤘
These both look like fun quads, thanks for sharing John
I definitely recommend either of them if you wanna review some fpv stuff 👀
I gotta get me one of these little guys!! great flying Cuppster!!!
Yessss they rip so good and you can take either of these anywhere. Thanks man.
Great job my friend, thank you.
You too!! Thanks!
Nice flight John. Great little 1s Models.....I am big fan of the Firefly Nano, I did change to an XT30 to get the best current flow. Seems the iFlight is nice too but a bit more weight. Both killer buys.
You’re right the iFlight baby nazgul is heavier, mine weighs 25.88 grams. The flywoo weighs 21.42 grams. An xt30 seems to me like it would be overkill on this quad … but, there’s far better battery availability and choice on xt30. Still think the iFlight quad despite its weight and +1000kv in motor rev is being held back by that non solid pin connector. Don’t know what they were thinking!!!
@@JohnCuppi Yep agreed....the connector is holding back the baby Nazgul for sure. Any change you make to that should be an improvement.
Very good doctor!
That flywoo is in the mail to me currently and I cannot wait. I got the ELRS version and a few batteries to go ham. This was a solid review. I hope the baby nazgul gets some improvements battery-wise because I wouldn't mind nabbing one of those either down the line.
Thanks! ✌️The nazgul definitely needs a new connector, I will do an experiment at some point and swap one in. But the nazgul is a heavier micro than the flywoo as well, so I think it will always have less flight time. Durability wise the flywoo concerns me a bit compared to the nazgul - but, I’ve crashed it a few times so far since this, and no damage. 🤷♂️
@@JohnCuppi the flywoo looks less sturdy, but it has tumbled both indoors and outdoors....no damage and the propellers are not fragile. The propellers look scuffed, but not bent, cracked or even nicked. Kinda impressed. Nazgul has the same props!!!!
@@ericcoker8784 I have also had no major problems with my flywoo including taking multiple indoor tumbles and crashes, I've used it to do some filming in tight spaces. :) Indeed, both have the same props.
@@ericcoker8784 Unfortunately as far as the baby nazgul -- I gave it to a friend of mine since I didn't want it. And it got stuck in a tree. It then it fell out at some point and got run over or crushed by something, we think maybe a lawn mower. 😢 But somehow the flight controller survived, so he bought a new frame and it still does fly today!
@@JohnCuppi Awww shucks.
Visually I like the Nazgul it appears a little more robust and could take a little more punishment. It does seem like the Baby Nano is a little more miserly on the battery. Great vid as always.
Agree my friend! The flywoo doesn’t seem to be as well protected. iFlight went for a very traditional 5” frame type and literally minified it. It’s super cool. The flight performance consistency and obviously time on the ‘woo is def better though.
Thanks, i have the nano baby and was wondering about the Nazgul.
Glad this was useful! I went out again with the Baby Nazgul and put a 600mah LiHV battery on it. I was able to achieve around 4 minutes of decent flight time with that size pack, but it did add more weight to it and felt heavier. I feel like the Nazgul one might be the more durable unit in the long term but the flywoo baby nano is seriously optimized for flight time. iFlight also made such a stupid, simple mistake putting a non solid pin connector on it! 😔 It's still a lot of fun, but that connector has got to go.
Both seem pretty nice. Looks like it really down to flight time. Except for the antenna on Flywoo. I wonder if that’s my friend can only flys his Flywoo right in front of him? 🤔 great review John👍🏼👍🏼
Have him check! That’s probably exactly why. I’ve came across a number of people with the exact same problem. I think all the frsky receivers in the recent batch have an incorrect antenna size. The flight time yes, and - consistency of the flywoo too. I noticed going back and looking at the DVR the woo is just sipping that battery in terms of amp draw but the nazgul is really pumping it. Probably a combination of more efficient + better connector. I would love to fit a solid pin ph 2.0 or GNB27 connector.
It's perfect with express lrs :)
@@FireN2k9 Definitely! Still, shame on flywoo for using an incorrect antenna for the frsky SPI version. Some people can't upgrade to ELRS at the moment, and are stuck with FrSky. But I still do love how it flies and the flight time compared to the iFlight.
I like my Nano 2S. Thinking about getting the 1S as well. The Baby Nano 2S is too fast to fly in my house.😁 Subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
I think the baby nano 1s is not really great for the house, though, something ducted would be best for indoors.
Great head to head. Been wondering about this 2
It was a tough call. I can tell you that I finally decided to sell the iflight baby nazgul and kept the firefly baby nano 1s. Since that time, I have crashed the baby nano 1s with the insta360go2 on it in more ways than one, and mine has survived. I did take some extra precautions and added a little protection to the back of the camera electronics, though, but other than that it's stock. I also now have the new flywoo firefly baby nano x, a lot of fun and power but not near as much flight time as the original.
What did you use to add protection
Having the Flywoo for a few months and all the crap with the ELRS, I almost gave up. It would not bind and I felt dumb. Thank goodness for the ELRS discord and the brilliant people behind ELRS. Apparently the two tiny capacitors needed to be removed!!! The ELRS peeps talked me through fixing the damn thing, for which I am very happy and those guys are solid. After all that and the many bumps, the Flywoo is tough and flight is good. (Not a fan boy...but I now own both flywoo hex 'copters....firefly and venom).
The Baby Nazgul 73 is new to me. The only changes to ALL my quads is: 80% power max and some expo on the throttle (40-50) if it *feels* too twitchy @ mid stick. It has more power for sure. Ran 3 packs of the 450 mah Flywoo HV's so far. It tends to drift backwards, just like the firefly, so it needs a recalibration, just like the firefly did...lol more to come. Side note: the video is better in the Nazgul, even with 50 me limitations. The Flywoo is at 100 MW. They both have ELRS stock. "Born to be Powerful" is no lie.
Yeah flywoo makes piece of crap “unapproved” ELRS hardware. I bought a flywoo receiver and have used it without any issues but I am apparently just lucky.
@@JohnCuppi Honestly, that Firefly was on its way back to Banggood! Banggood tech was outmatched, as usual. BUT, the ELRS support discord whatever is tha BOMB. The tech talk and stuff was a lil over my head. But they were VERY patient with my dumbass as I was with Flywoo. If it wasn't those guys, I would never own a Flywoo anything again. But it has great flight times, just as smooth as the Emax Nano Hawk, and pretty tough.
The Baby Nazgul 73 was a breeze to set up. From Betaflight setup with the bind in the setup (no quick 3x power taps for bind mode or finding the tiny bind button, lol). The video seems better, antenna separation is way better in the Nazgul or something else?
Hallo. Can i fly the flywoo 1s with the Cetus pro RTF Kit? Thanks
love the flywoo!
Yeah, that is my choice right now too. The amount of flight time and consistency in performance because it isn't starving for power is insane!
@@JohnCuppi well, if you're looking to pass off the baby nazgul... 😉
My iflight baby fc is dead. Can I replace it with goku fc? Does it fit the baby frame?
Fun flights & good narration. Looking forward to the update videos. It’s almost 2022, can we please put ph 2.0 in the rear view mirror?
I believe the big hold up has been licensing issues… GNB and other battery vendors have not wanted to pay for a license to use BT 2.0. Then, GNB comes out with GNB27 and it isn’t that great. Issues with it being too tight, and breaking. Now they’ve made GNB27 V2 which is on the flywoo, fixing those issues. And I believe the licensing cost almost nothing to use, GNB benefits because they are a battery company. I think we may see GNB27V2 slowly replace PH 2.0. Eachine has also put out a branded connector exactly like GNB27 called the “ET 2.0” as well. I always figured a battery company like GNB were in the best position in the market to make a connector to overtake PH 2.0
I got both the 63mm and the 73mm baby nazgul.. I swapped the crossfire nano rx for tracer 😂 it was interesting getting the 2 antennas into that little guy. It looks so cool how I did it though
Do you have a picture or video up of what you did? Might be useful to see! I’d be interested. I’m likely to put ELRS 2.4gh, or CrossFire in both of them eventually.
@@JohnCuppi I can upload a quick clip of how it looks! I'm proud of the front antenna, the rear was difficult and janky
@@PkwyDrive13 Sounds good, I checked your channel so I’ll be notified whenever you do. Thanks for stopping by.
Uploaded video of it!
@@PkwyDrive13 Thanks I just saw it! Perfect and looks like a great solution! I have to ask did you change much on the tune to run those tri blade props? And what kind of flight time are you getting? I was gonna leave a comment but it said the video was made for kids and wouldn’t let me.
The Nano Baby rarely pulls over 7 amps while the Naugul is pulling beyond 11 amps, I think that is the reason for the extended battery life of the Flywoo but is the punch of the Nazgul worth the +- 100% extra
amp draw? What are the motor specs? Size? KV?
Yes, correct - the flywoo nano is just sipping off that battery in terms of amp draw but the iFlight is pushing it. The iFlight is 17000kv and the flywoo is 16000kv and both are 0802 motors. So the nano does have a bit more punch and also weighs more, but I almost guarantee more flight time and less battery voltage sag / amp draw would be achieved with at bare minimum a solid pin ph connector or a proper one like bt 2.0 or the GNB27. The rolled pin connector is absolutely _horrible_ for current flow and more amps are being drawn because of that crappy connector than would need to be. The flywoo is probably always going to be the winner in flight time regardless since it’s lighter and has 1000kv less.
Hello I have a question,
What remote control do you have ??? I have flysky i6 is good with this drone?
FlySky i6 won't work with this one, sorry. You need a controller that supports the FrSky protocol.
Hi John! How u fix the bad spi frsky signal? I tried cut antenna to 31.2 mm and got 20m length. Cut to the 27.6mm and got same result
The signal still wasn't that great even with my 'fixed' antenna. I think this is another crappy frsky receiver implementation.
@@JohnCuppi today I tried 27-27.2mm and got 100m distance on free field. Very sensual length - for 27.6mm the signal level drops
Can you link to the tattu batteries? All I can find in 1s are fatter, shorter batteries.
Which of these drones are you looking for batteries for? The flywoo with the GNB27 connector or the iFlight? I use AU-Line batteries for the iFlight. I can get links up for both drones in a bit.
The crossfire and elrs both have great range but the frsky seems to lack
Yes, frsky spi is always not great unfortunately. The flywoo is available in ELRS though and the nazgul is not.
First! I got 3 1s birds and they are all crap.. flip and they hit the ground... and a powerloop... heck no!.. looked like you were able to pull it all off with ease.. hmmm maybe the 1s world is improving.. always wanted a small quad to rip around.. Thanks COOP!
Things have drastically improved in the last couple of years with 1s quads. These new micros are really like flying downsized 5" quads around!
@@JohnCuppi i got the first 1s tiny hawk and that metal one the snapper.. both fly like turds
Are your 1S brushed or brushless motors? Brushless is a HUGE difference for this sort of stuff. Also, the two in this video freestyle much better than the whoops that you typically see as 1S quads. Also, as John mentions at the end of the video, tune makes a big difference with feel as well.
@@mr.j-rcs822 The metal snapper7 I've flown before many years ago and that was a bad quad. I thought it was super cool at the time that they made something brushless that small, but metal?! The handling was awful to fly fpv. I liked the the first 1s tinyhawk. But it can be greatly improved with a better tune and props -- night and day difference. Project mockingbird distributes a great tune for the tinyhawk 1s if you're ever bored and want to revive it.
I have 4 batteries and when one is discharged change but it does not fail that I connect the battery and disconnect it ???? that is, not to damage the chip because it is turned on for 6 minutes while a battery is running and then I turn it off and then it starts again for 6 minutes. It's ok ?? Didn't it spoil you?
Sorry, I am not sure what you’re asking here.
If you are asking about flying batteries back-to-back, in a row, then no. This doesn’t cause any damage.
In the time that it takes to change a battery out, the flight controller already cools down a bit, and it is also being cooled while flying due to constant air flow.
@@JohnCuppi I mean if the drone breaks down I keep changing the batteries every 6 minutes! that is, it flies for 6 minutes and after me I stop it and so on until I run out of batteries!
@@JohnCuppi and now I realized that inside the black wire from the antenna there was another long antenna to remove and I managed
The antena on my flywoo nano got chopped off. Flywoo told me it's an IPEX3 connector with I can't source anywhere. Anyone know some antennas for it that work?
This is a really great question. I did some research into this and I think I found what you need. When searching for IPEX3 connectors I had issues sourcing them as well. I came across a thread on intofpv message board where a user was seeking a replacement SPI receiver antenna for a different drone -- the HappyModel Moblite7 whoop. The Moblite7 uses the Happymodel Diamond F4 FC and the connector is specified as using an IPEX-MHF3 (IPEX-3) connector. Guess what, HappyModel sells replacement antennas for that model -- which must only be IPEX3! Here is where I found them: www.banggood.com/Happymodel-Moblite6-Moblite7-Spare-Part-5PCS-2_4G-DSMX-DSM2-Receiver-Antenna-for-Diamond-F4-Flight-Controller-FPV-Racing-RC-Drone-p-1820235.html?p=G814221249561201502U&custlinkid=1711362
@@JohnCuppi damn dude you really made my day! I know flywoo sells the replacement but with shipping its very expensive. IDK why I didn't think of it, but I have a moblite7 hahah I will use the antena from that!
@@zidviziouz Great! If it works and fits for sure - which I am 99% sure it will - could you let me know? This would be great knowledge to add to my video description. I have the moblite7 as well but don’t feel like taking apart my flywoo to try to lol.
What remote do you need to buy for this to work ???? And will you be able to connect camera to your phone and will it be good?????
Hi, it depends on which version you get as far as remote. This drone will not connect to a phone at all. You will need analog fpv goggles. Something like these cheap ones will
Work great: m.ruclips.net/video/_Pi0815ZR0o/видео.html
@@JohnCuppi thank you very very much for your response here. Its very helpful!
Hello, I also have this drone with SPI Frsky receiver and it really has a decent signal but my problem is that the antenna broke and I glued it with a soldering gun is it ok? how do i know if it beats the normal signal?
Where did it break? If the antenna was fully broken and glued together, then, no. These antennas can’t be fixed that way.
@@JohnCuppi the tip is broken but believe me the signal works the same as yours 50 then 30 then 40 and I can do freestyle nearby
@@kxdmotovlog6898 yes I believe it works in that way- but as you noted, will have reduced range. these antennas have to be measured out correctly. I would try to cut the end off that you glued and then expose more of the antenna that’s shielded in the gray heatshrink.
@@JohnCuppi with a soldering gun I glued the transparent antenna to the black one and then the tip of the white antenna to take it out harder?
@@JohnCuppi Is it heat shrinkable black and has a white tip and I glued that white tip to the black one and do I have to strip the white wire to have a normal signal?
So I found voth of these for like 180$ each, but its without controller. Is that a good price? And what conteollee should I buy to use with it???
$180 US? That’s a bit overpriced. Links in my video description are less than that, but if you don’t want to buy from there I would at least shop around (if we are talking US dollars.)
@@JohnCuppi thank you! I will look into your provided links!
Does this come pre loaded for flight ? Also is it just bind and fly
Bind and fly 100% factory tuned ✌️ both are tuned well!
@@JohnCuppi shame they don’t do a dsm or dsmx version now I have to buy a radio as well
it doesn't take much to update the iFlight Baby Nazgul connector, and Project Mockingbird has a tune out for the Flywoo Firefly. just to make the decision even harder! :-)
I have got to check out the PMB tune for the flywoo! Thanks for the info. Yeah, it doesn’t take that much to change the connector, but the product is sold as-is this way unfortunatey, so 🤷♂️ I am surprised that PH 2.0 not even solid pin was used on this model. Just a poor/cheap decision by iFlight.
@@JohnCuppi also, watch out, apparently the number of magnets is set up incorrectly in the default configuration. check out this video: ruclips.net/video/dWbUxTzQ7A0/видео.html
@@pgabrieli I checked mine and it is set up correctly, mine shipped in very late October so I am guessing flywoo saw that video and corrected them.
I love these quads, but in small size I just like prop guards and you can really just send it through gaps n crash, turtle repeat without bending props and blowing esc.
I prefer to go up to 2inch or 3inch when I go open prop quads.
Love the videos man, they always have a comfort feeling and are entertaining.
Thanks for commenting my friend, and the great chats! 👋
@@JohnCuppi always for one of the rare genuine guys in FPV!! You and NickBurns are both gems of the committee
Hey! New to the fpv drone world. Would you mind helping me find a good setup? Not break the bank lol
Sure! If you are looking for some budget goggles, I recommend these, they'll work just fine with the flywoo baby nano 1s. ruclips.net/video/_Pi0815ZR0o/видео.html
Hallo. Is IT possible to fly this little drone with one 18650 Battery Like Sony vtc4? Is it for beginners? Thanks
I don’t see how it would work well. A Sony VTC4 18650 weighs far too much for either of these. Doubtful it would even get off the ground really, and even if it did, would just be for straight cruising. ☹️
I would say these drones are not best for beginners. It’s more of an intermediate level drone. A beginner will be crashing - a lot. And both of these have completely open props, and open motors. That’s not good for someone who will be crashing a lot while they learn.
Something ducted like whoop that provides more protection in crashes would be a better choice. If you need a recommendation, let me know!
@@JohnCuppi Thanks for answer. Yes i am looking Something for beginners. What do you Thing about DJI Mini Mavic se or Xiaomi Fimi x8 Mini?
@@dortmunder27xxx I’d recommend just getting the DJI Mini SE; here was my experience with the FIMI Mini x8 ruclips.net/video/s--1jrLnc6U/видео.html
@@JohnCuppi OK thanks. The big issue from DJI Mini SE in Germany is the Range of 2000 Meters with ce. The Xiaomi Fimi x8 Mini has a range of 8000 Meters and tdma and Not WiFi.
@@dortmunder27xxx Personally I'd rather have a more reliable drone with a solid camera limited to 2000m.
I can't recommend FIMI products anymore due to the quality control issues with FIMI's products and bad software development (gimbal horizon tilt issues, etc). You might get a perfect FIMI Mini, but if you don't, it will be a huge hassle to get support from them.
Hiyeeeeeeeeeee!
Hiyooooooo
If only you took the ELRS version, that would be perfect nano drones
I did not have ELRS and that version was not in stock at the time I placed my order, due to the chip shortage. But I’ll add an EP2 receiver later now that I have it. 👍 still, flywoo should have used the correct antenna length for their frsky spi.
@@JohnCuppi yep, there is a reason the frsky version is the one on sale in Banggood. They probably all got QC fail.
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Thank you! 👍
very good your content, congratulations!
where i need to cut for a god signal?
plz say me
Alright, I'll do the best I can but it's difficult to explain in a comment. The 'white part' of a receiver antenna is called the 'active element.' That is the exposed part of the coax that receives the signal. The black part of the antenna is insulation, but there is also a very small wire mesh that shields the coax inside of it. Because it is very important to get as close to 32.8mm on the exposed active element part of the antenna.... let me give you what may be an easier solution. HappyModel sells replacement IPEX3 connector antenna models, which is what the Flywoo Baby Nano 1s frsky version uses. Here is where I found them, you can get a pack of these and repair it a lot easier if don't have any more to cut left: www.banggood.com/Happymodel-Moblite6-Moblite7-Spare-Part-5PCS-2_4G-DSMX-DSM2-Receiver-Antenna-for-Diamond-F4-Flight-Controller-FPV-Racing-RC-Drone-p-1820235.html?p=G814221249561201502U&custlinkid=1711362
@@JohnCuppi on me signal make like this : ruclips.net/video/MY_3uvPAwJE/видео.html
@@JohnCuppi So? I can try to switch fs-s14x receiver antena ?
@@kxdmotovlog6898 I don't know anything about that receiver, sorry. I gave you advice to the best of my knowledge above. Best of luck.
@@JohnCuppi Ok i buy Flywoo original antena and i fly normal
how can i bind my flywoo baby nano with my frsky taranis x9d plus
Set taranis x9d+ protocol to D8 mode. Then in betaflight setup for the flywoo baby nano frsky version, set the receiver to FRSKY_D. Go to the CLI tab, and type bind_rx, then press enter. Now on the Taranis, press the [bind] and it should link.
@@JohnCuppi so i have to buy d8 module, or can i just set it on my taranis?
It depends on when your taranis x9d+ was made. If it was made before 2017, then frsky d8 is built in. Otherwise, past that, no d8. In that, case I would try setting the receiver type to FRSKY_X on the baby nano instead, which will put it into d16 mode. Then bind in d16.
@@JohnCuppi I don't know how to know if it's from 2017
@@jonnyjaaz3102 I would just see if you can select d8, it should not let you if the radio doesn't have it.
What is the price range on the firefly?
They're like $150 now. A newer version has come out since I made this video, I have not been able to try it.
@@JohnCuppi Thanks, i have the avata, and i just ordered the fpv remote controller 2, and i was wondering if you have any tips on how to do like flips.
@@kiwi_vr-tl6xu If you want to do flips in full manual mode, the very first thing I recommend to anyone is to get comfortable with the drone being upside down.
Go really high, make sure you know where the normal mode switch is / brake mode and just flip over, and then flip yourself back.
With some altitude you will have plenty of time to catch your fall and just get comfortable doing basic flips.
I see people often start too low to the ground and end up crashing.
@JohnCuppi Thanks, i will do that. I will be getting the controller in my hands on the 13-14.
What you put on Flywoo baby antena ?
I put a zip tie on it and heat shrink it. But, I'm changing it soon finally to an ELRS receiver. 🤘
@@JohnCuppi and you change remote control ? I have literadio 2Se with frsky protocol and what remote I need for elrs for flywoo??? Wires where I need to glue ? Gnd what wire and sbus what wire ?
@@kxdmotovlog6898 Nope. I didn't have to change my controller. I use the happymodel slim pro module with my Tango 2 for ExpressLRS, just buy a module: bit.ly/3oQ73hh then buy an ELRS receiver and solder to the existing rx/tx pads on the board. ELRS uses a dedicated rx/tx port, no sbus.
@@JohnCuppi yes and I have literadio 2 Se remote control and what protocol I need ? I don t buy another remote
@@JohnCuppi and all micro receiver wire where on witch area to stick the red thread the yellow thread ?
flies nice. i still dont know why people fly around their heads LOL
🤷♂️ it's something to orbit and zip past, and it's fun to watch you orbit yourself. I've been bitten before doing it (whoops getting stuck in my facial hair and hair on my head, paper-cutting my lip, etc) but I'll probably never stop, haha.
Don't scream. Other than that. Sweet vid
Lol it's hard not to when doing this live! But in future videos I'm trying to equalize and lower any loud volume instances going forward. Thanks.
too bad you didnt have the Nanohawk X.
I would like to check that out at some point. Honestly though it wouldn’t be a good comparison to these. That’s a 3” 1s model, these are tiny! So same battery type but not quite the same class. If there’s interest in seeing Nanohawk X vs something like the NBD Mosquito I could consider doing that though!