OK. So the difference in the springs. The performance springs are a near stock height spring designed for those who want to maintain that height but with a little lowering while improving performance drastically. We stayed with linear springs as if we increased the rates further with a linear rate spring, it would be extremely stiff, not something that many would think is comfortable, plus we may run out of shock. So, the Performance springs are around 35-40% stiffer than than the Stock springs and likely around 15-20% stiffer than GTA springs. To achieve a higher rate spring than the Performance Spring we needed to go with a Dual rate. This allowed us to lower the car more, hence the CORSA name too. It's really suited for the track but easily used on the street. We could increase the rate much higher using a dual rate. The highest rate is when it is really compressed a lot, the rate almost triples the Performance springs. So again as noted, it is really suited for track, aggressive driving use or those who want the highest rate without rattling teeth out of their head. With the GTAm suspension software both springs are far better. Calibrations are much better and work well with our springs. This is the reason for have 2 styles of springs. ;) As noted the CORSA can be almost as soft as stock GTA springs but when pushed become very stiff. So undulations you can feel a little more with the CORSA driving down the road not doing much, but in turns it will stick to the corners and keep the car planted. Many track guys use them and love them but the performance spring is really very good at what it does over any other spring on the market. I hope the helps explain a little more about both. They are very different. I wanted to have 2 different ones as they really do different things. Although the CORSA is softer initially then super stiff compressed they can be great for road use, the Performance one rate all the time so same stiffness but depends on shock Mode too. Thanks for the review! Ciao!
I'm so glad you ported this vid. I installed the ST spring on my QV and unfortunately they feel extremely soft. I'm looking forward to get those Alfissimo Performance Springs. I hope you can make another video where you be able to do some good pulls and share how they do performance wide.
The Alfissimo springs are incredible you’ll be very happy with them. The ST sit lower but if that isn’t a priority for you these are the best springs to get
Extremely beautiful colour. If you want to tune your car, Manhart in Germany upgrades the turbos with hybrids plus a couple other mods and the car reaches 650 ps.
Sick car. You should do a Squadra tune from Alfissimo. I just installed the tune on my 2.0 and im impressed. I know the quad will be a monster with the tune
I did the alfissimo Squadra estrema tune on my stelvio and it’s insane . A gearbox tune is also part of it. Night and day from stock . I just baught a 2024 stelvio and most likely tune it as well. Also you get dual mode exhaust valves in dynamic mode.
Always love the content Phil and look forward to upcoming content as well. I see you went back to the dark 5 hole wheels. I'm still partial to those myself. My Misano Blue Alfa Nero edition just rounds out the contrast with the dark 5 hole wheels rather than the Custom Forged Wheels you had. They did look good on your Etna Rosso though.
I kept the OEM springs on my Veloce with Eibach springs and while the cornering and general ride was really great, the bounce going over any road bumps was embarrassing…
Good review. I installed these springs on my ‘19 QV and really love the ride quality. I also did the GTAm CDCM update and GMS caster/camber kit and it completely transformed the car. I do wish it lowered the car a little more. I’m wondering if Jason changed the rear spring length since I purchased mine in 2023 since your car doesn’t seem to have as big a gap in the rear as mine?
The gap on my car is weird it almost looks different where I park. Since my tires are physically smaller even though there oem sized i put aggressive spacers on the car to make it look better so maybe thats why i seems lower but what are the measurements front and back of your car?
@@autofanaticcarsI’ve never measured it but the passenger rear has about 1 3/4” gap, driver’s side is about 1 1/4” gap. Again, ride quality is very good. Just wanna close the gaps up and obviously get them even side to side! Waiting to see what Jason comes up with regarding coilovers. When I saw you in traffic in Tarrytown last fall your car’s stance was PERFECT. You must’ve had the KWs on then?
yes when you saw my car it was on the KW DDC kit with my summer wheels and tires, find a donor steering wheel and send it in for me to customize for you it is a night and day feel every time you drive the car versus the stock wheel
@@autofanaticcars My experience with Alfa Romeo spans 11 years (147, GT, 159), also tried other models. However, I've never had a hot Alfa version, like QV or similar. Happy for you.
You said you didn't understand the point of version of lowering springs by Alfissimo. Isn't the Corsa version going to be more comfortable over bumps compared to the performance version? How exactly does the 'dual rate' feel compared to the single-rate OEM springs? Is the Corsa both more comfortable over bumps and stiffer and handle better when pushing it?
On NY bumpy roads the Corsa springs oscillated up and down too much for my taste because the car was riding on the softer single rate all the time on local roads, the Performance spring is way better all around now after testing and comparing them both. I am not sure why he developed two versions of springs maybe Jason will comment on that in this video below
Are there any updates on when hyper gloss will be back in stock? I've been waiting on it for a few months. Right now, I'm using the 007 gloss enhancer, but I really want the hyper gloss.
Do the suspension software upgrade from alfissimo please. I condlsider buying boath (springs and soft upgrade) and I am very curios how they perform. I am curious about the proxi alignment as well, maybe you can help with that because it is a pretty popular topic in forums as well. Thanks
What would you recommend for me, I have a 2018 and it sits like a lifted f150, should I get a set of the 2017 oem springs, the ST springs or these you have in the video?
get these Performance springs but you also need to get the upgraded software for the suspension module since your car is a 2018 the earlier cars software is terrible the newer cars are vastly improved in software.
the software that controls the shock tuning is too floaty and soft and it makes the car bounce no matter what springs you use. If you did not want to do the software then the only other expensive option is the KW DDC Coilover kit which I did on my 2018 and liked it a lot. I have videos on all of this on this channel for years ago.
Interesting video indeed! I’m from Sweden and I just bought my dream car a Giulia Quadrifoglio from 2020 (in Sweden they are not called QV but just Q). I’m very interested in the performance springs. As I understand they are produced in Italy so I would rather buy them directly from Italy than from US. It simply doesn’t make sense. (Fast delivery and no tax) Do you or anyone else possibly know where to buy them in Italy/Europe? Do I need to update the suspension settings or software on a 2020 model?
@autofanaticcars great advise...I'm looking for little lower. Normal spirited drives with local clubs but she sits too high. So altissimo would be best for linear springs?
I will be lowering my new 2025 Stelvio Tributo Italiano soon once I receive the springs from Alfissimo I will post a video on the channel on this maybe next month, the new Stelvio has the adaptive shocks like the QV FYI
Strange, i have a 2024 Quad. But on normal roads i use mid in Race mode and it is fine. If i use the hard mode sometimes the car just spins wheels when the road is bumpy.
where do you live and drive? NY roads are horrible and very uneven and bumpy where as race mode chatters your body on many roads but mid mode with these springs feels perfectly tuned and balanced.
@@autofanaticcars Interesting, I remember you was positive about quality. Did you post somewhere your feedback? I'm considering buying it as this this the only track focused coilovers available
KW is a proven brand with worldwide support and they even work with OEM manufactures. These smaller brands can never offer such support or have the money to develop like major brands like Ohlins, KW etc.,
A little confused as it seems every video you make claims that suspension is the best. 😂 Just ordered a set of used ST springs off the forum for $200 and now I’m questioning whether I should sell them before installing and getting these.
Depends what year your car is honestly, the ST stance i feel is perfect but the pairing to the factory shocks is not perfect because the rates are a bit softer than I would like. The ST work better on a 21-24 QV versus the 17-20 models from my testing. If you have an earlier QV get these Performance springs with the upgraded software Alfissimo sells and you will be thrilled overall. It really depends what your goal is with the car. if you have a newer QV you can try the springs first and i bet youll be happy as heck.
I think madness rebrand HR but not 100% sure. Ive done the labor so many times it takes me an honest 2.5 hours now. How is the bouncy effect on bumpy roads with your car and what year is it
@autofanaticcars Mines a 2018 Giulia Quadrifoglio, so i had to lower it, it had way too much wheel gap i don't notice a bouncy effect at all but i do scratch the bottom of the car depending on driveway or entrance i drive through.
surprised you do not feel the bounce but if you drove on the NYC roads I do it would feel like an unsettled roller coaster ride because the stock shocks just can not keep up around here.
The moment u said it took out bump steer effect u got my attention. Got my 24 QV in December. Driven 300km in it so far and bump steer is driving me mad. For context I came from a Golf R
what I was trying to show is on bad bumps with these springs it does not toss the car around, now if your car is stock then your alignment can be a culprit or that but when you lower the front and dial in the caster and camber it eliminates this completely. if the springs were excessively stiff it would cause the car to bounce badly which these do not do. If you have ST springs or other brand that are too soft it will cause the front of the car to bounce and feel unsettled on bad roads.
Yes my car is stock. In the highly urbanised setting of Singapore it'd be difficult for me to lower the front any further without scrapping those multi story carpark ramps and humps. Guessed I might just play around with spacers...
OK. So the difference in the springs.
The performance springs are a near stock height spring designed for those who want to maintain that height but with a little lowering while improving performance drastically. We stayed with linear springs as if we increased the rates further with a linear rate spring, it would be extremely stiff, not something that many would think is comfortable, plus we may run out of shock. So, the Performance springs are around 35-40% stiffer than than the Stock springs and likely around 15-20% stiffer than GTA springs.
To achieve a higher rate spring than the Performance Spring we needed to go with a Dual rate. This allowed us to lower the car more, hence the CORSA name too. It's really suited for the track but easily used on the street. We could increase the rate much higher using a dual rate. The highest rate is when it is really compressed a lot, the rate almost triples the Performance springs. So again as noted, it is really suited for track, aggressive driving use or those who want the highest rate without rattling teeth out of their head. With the GTAm suspension software both springs are far better. Calibrations are much better and work well with our springs. This is the reason for have 2 styles of springs. ;) As noted the CORSA can be almost as soft as stock GTA springs but when pushed become very stiff. So undulations you can feel a little more with the CORSA driving down the road not doing much, but in turns it will stick to the corners and keep the car planted. Many track guys use them and love them but the performance spring is really very good at what it does over any other spring on the market.
I hope the helps explain a little more about both. They are very different. I wanted to have 2 different ones as they really do different things. Although the CORSA is softer initially then super stiff compressed they can be great for road use, the Performance one rate all the time so same stiffness but depends on shock Mode too. Thanks for the review! Ciao!
I'm so glad you ported this vid. I installed the ST spring on my QV and unfortunately they feel extremely soft. I'm looking forward to get those Alfissimo Performance Springs. I hope you can make another video where you be able to do some good pulls and share how they do performance wide.
The Alfissimo springs are incredible you’ll be very happy with them. The ST sit lower but if that isn’t a priority for you these are the best springs to get
Extremely beautiful colour. If you want to tune your car, Manhart in Germany upgrades the turbos with hybrids plus a couple other mods and the car reaches 650 ps.
Sick car. You should do a Squadra tune from Alfissimo. I just installed the tune on my 2.0 and im impressed. I know the quad will be a monster with the tune
I am seriously considering this in the spring summer months to do
I highly recommend it. It really wakes the car up
I did the alfissimo Squadra estrema tune on my stelvio and it’s insane . A gearbox tune is also part of it. Night and day from stock . I just baught a 2024 stelvio and most likely tune it as well. Also you get dual mode exhaust valves in dynamic mode.
Always love the content Phil and look forward to upcoming content as well. I see you went back to the dark 5 hole wheels. I'm still partial to those myself. My Misano Blue Alfa Nero edition just rounds out the contrast with the dark 5 hole wheels rather than the Custom Forged Wheels you had. They did look good on your Etna Rosso though.
These are my winter wheels and tires for now I cannot wait for winter to be over the cold and mess is annoying
I kept the OEM springs on my Veloce with Eibach springs and while the cornering and general ride was really great, the bounce going over any road bumps was embarrassing…
The Eibach are terrible for these cars thats why
Good review. I installed these springs on my ‘19 QV and really love the ride quality. I also did the GTAm CDCM update and GMS caster/camber kit and it completely transformed the car. I do wish it lowered the car a little more. I’m wondering if Jason changed the rear spring length since I purchased mine in 2023 since your car doesn’t seem to have as big a gap in the rear as mine?
The gap on my car is weird it almost looks different where I park. Since my tires are physically smaller even though there oem sized i put aggressive spacers on the car to make it look better so maybe thats why i seems lower but what are the measurements front and back of your car?
@@autofanaticcarsI’ve never measured it but the passenger rear has about 1 3/4” gap, driver’s side is about 1 1/4” gap. Again, ride quality is very good. Just wanna close the gaps up and obviously get them even side to side! Waiting to see what Jason comes up with regarding coilovers. When I saw you in traffic in Tarrytown last fall your car’s stance was PERFECT. You must’ve had the KWs on then?
@@autofanaticcarsalso, that damn steering wheel looks phenomenal! Gotta find one for you to wrap…
yes when you saw my car it was on the KW DDC kit with my summer wheels and tires, find a donor steering wheel and send it in for me to customize for you it is a night and day feel every time you drive the car versus the stock wheel
email me some photos of your car id like to compare it sounds like my car definitely is sitting lower than yours.
What size spacers are you running in this video?
The best looking and best handling sedan of all time. I have nothing more to add.
Still thrills every-time I drive it after owning several over the last 7 years
@@autofanaticcars My experience with Alfa Romeo spans 11 years (147, GT, 159), also tried other models. However, I've never had a hot Alfa version, like QV or similar. Happy for you.
You said you didn't understand the point of version of lowering springs by Alfissimo. Isn't the Corsa version going to be more comfortable over bumps compared to the performance version? How exactly does the 'dual rate' feel compared to the single-rate OEM springs? Is the Corsa both more comfortable over bumps and stiffer and handle better when pushing it?
On NY bumpy roads the Corsa springs oscillated up and down too much for my taste because the car was riding on the softer single rate all the time on local roads, the Performance spring is way better all around now after testing and comparing them both. I am not sure why he developed two versions of springs maybe Jason will comment on that in this video below
Are there any updates on when hyper gloss will be back in stock? I've been waiting on it for a few months. Right now, I'm using the 007 gloss enhancer, but I really want the hyper gloss.
Contact us directly 👍
@autofanaticcars Will do.
Do the suspension software upgrade from alfissimo please. I condlsider buying boath (springs and soft upgrade) and I am very curios how they perform. I am curious about the proxi alignment as well, maybe you can help with that because it is a pretty popular topic in forums as well. Thanks
FYi i tested the suspension module on my car and there was no difference it appears the newer cars have updated software already/
Some many of these I have driven and got c,lose buying, but just couldn’t pull the trigger
What would you recommend for me, I have a 2018 and it sits like a lifted f150, should I get a set of the 2017 oem springs, the ST springs or these you have in the video?
get these Performance springs but you also need to get the upgraded software for the suspension module since your car is a 2018 the earlier cars software is terrible the newer cars are vastly improved in software.
@ just curious, what is so terrible about it?
the software that controls the shock tuning is too floaty and soft and it makes the car bounce no matter what springs you use. If you did not want to do the software then the only other expensive option is the KW DDC Coilover kit which I did on my 2018 and liked it a lot. I have videos on all of this on this channel for years ago.
@ got it, thanks for your help boss
Interesting video indeed!
I’m from Sweden and I just bought my dream car a Giulia Quadrifoglio from 2020 (in Sweden they are not called QV but just Q).
I’m very interested in the performance springs. As I understand they are produced in Italy so I would rather buy them directly from Italy than from US. It simply doesn’t make sense. (Fast delivery and no tax)
Do you or anyone else possibly know where to buy them in Italy/Europe?
Do I need to update the suspension settings or software on a 2020 model?
Gonna go and look up what he has for the Stelvio QV, i almost got the H and R before i saw this video.
Hr Will destroy your Stelvio QV it crashes on front bump stop badly and feels terrible
@autofanaticcars great advise...I'm looking for little lower. Normal spirited drives with local clubs but she sits too high. So altissimo would be best for linear springs?
@autofanaticcars ok great to know. I need something, hope the alfissimo springs will be great for the stelvio
I will be lowering my new 2025 Stelvio Tributo Italiano soon once I receive the springs from Alfissimo I will post a video on the channel on this maybe next month, the new Stelvio has the adaptive shocks like the QV FYI
Strange, i have a 2024 Quad. But on normal roads i use mid in Race mode and it is fine. If i use the hard mode sometimes the car just spins wheels when the road is bumpy.
where do you live and drive? NY roads are horrible and very uneven and bumpy where as race mode chatters your body on many roads but mid mode with these springs feels perfectly tuned and balanced.
@ hi, i live in Germany. Race mode and dampers in „mid“ is perfect for most backroads. Sometimes even the hard setting is fine.
Did you tried Nitron coilovers?
Absolute disaster will not discuss further
@@autofanaticcarsOh wow, I did not expect that. Would you say KW DDC is better than Nitron in a case one would go the coilovers route?
@@autofanaticcars Interesting, I remember you was positive about quality. Did you post somewhere your feedback? I'm considering buying it as this this the only track focused coilovers available
KW is a proven brand with worldwide support and they even work with OEM manufactures. These smaller brands can never offer such support or have the money to develop like major brands like Ohlins, KW etc.,
Why you haven’t make any more videos? You stop posting for a while
Extremely busy restoring multiple cars at once and weather is horrible right now snow and ice and freezing temperatures but will resume videos soon
@ post something about rinsless washes is the hyper right now
A little confused as it seems every video you make claims that suspension is the best. 😂
Just ordered a set of used ST springs off the forum for $200 and now I’m questioning whether I should sell them before installing and getting these.
Depends what year your car is honestly, the ST stance i feel is perfect but the pairing to the factory shocks is not perfect because the rates are a bit softer than I would like. The ST work better on a 21-24 QV versus the 17-20 models from my testing. If you have an earlier QV get these Performance springs with the upgraded software Alfissimo sells and you will be thrilled overall. It really depends what your goal is with the car. if you have a newer QV you can try the springs first and i bet youll be happy as heck.
I'll stick with my madness springs, they have been awesome. Atleast for now, taking these springs off and putting new ones on gives me anxiety.
I think madness rebrand HR but not 100% sure. Ive done the labor so many times it takes me an honest 2.5 hours now. How is the bouncy effect on bumpy roads with your car and what year is it
@autofanaticcars Mines a 2018 Giulia Quadrifoglio, so i had to lower it, it had way too much wheel gap i don't notice a bouncy effect at all but i do scratch the bottom of the car depending on driveway or entrance i drive through.
surprised you do not feel the bounce but if you drove on the NYC roads I do it would feel like an unsettled roller coaster ride because the stock shocks just can not keep up around here.
The moment u said it took out bump steer effect u got my attention. Got my 24 QV in December. Driven 300km in it so far and bump steer is driving me mad. For context I came from a Golf R
what I was trying to show is on bad bumps with these springs it does not toss the car around, now if your car is stock then your alignment can be a culprit or that but when you lower the front and dial in the caster and camber it eliminates this completely. if the springs were excessively stiff it would cause the car to bounce badly which these do not do. If you have ST springs or other brand that are too soft it will cause the front of the car to bounce and feel unsettled on bad roads.
Yes my car is stock. In the highly urbanised setting of Singapore it'd be difficult for me to lower the front any further without scrapping those multi story carpark ramps and humps. Guessed I might just play around with spacers...