Leica D-Lux 8 Review: Your Questions Answered (It's All in the Details!)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
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My Full Leica D-LUX 8 Review, also known as the "Baby Q."
How similar and how different is it to the Leica D-Lux 7?
Would you get this over the Ricoh GRIII and Fujifilm X100VI?
Check out this hands on video.
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Where is the Camera Made?
01:47 Will There be a Panasonic Version?
02:24 Are the Sensor and Lens the Same as the D-Lux 7
04:22 Autofocus: Phase Detect or Contrast
05:04 Video Performance
06:02 Image Stabilisation
06:28 EVF & Display
07:15 Flash
07:52 USB-C Charging
07:59 Accessories
09:28 4/3" Good Enough?
10:43 Image Quality
12: 13 One Issue I had
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I’m buying this! I’ve wanted a quality photo-centric compact with a zoom lens for ages. This is it!
Congrats!
I have the D-Lux7 and it is a lovely camera, although the Lumix GX80 or 9 are actually ‘better’ cameras with a choice of interchangeable lenses and tilting screens. The Leica is perfectly good though and it undoubtedly has a quality feel and look to it that makes it a pleasure to use and the new Q-style menu on the 8 only improves it. Yes I also have a Q2, a couple of Panasonics and Olympus and Sony cameras. You will surely not regret purchasing a D-Lux 8 camera.
@@hedydd2 Thanks for your insights. I currently use a Hasselblad X2D for my ‘serious’ landscape and car photography, and an R6 MKII for action photography and video, but I’ve wanted a good compact camera for random walk around photography for ages. I tried the X100 twice, but the limits of its fixed focal length frustrated me. I’m hoping this will be the camera I’ve been searching for. I’m rather excited about it, actually. 🙂
@@peterfritzphoto do you think Zf with a 28-400mm will be too much for everyday camera? How about RX100 series? By the way, is your X2D fun because some say modern SLR camera take picture like a computer and those with dedicated shutter and ISO dials and aperture ring is more fun to shoot with, what do you think of this, is X2D just a more refined of that computer shooting experience?
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@@NetvoTV It depends on your definition of ‘everyday camera’. I’d have thought it too big and heavy for that. The X2D is a simpler, purer photography experience than modern full-frame cameras - at least for me. I don’t need a new logo, thank you.
No-one - least of all me - and I am a Pro - is complaining that my 3 Hass Cameras and 4 Hass Lenses are not only made in China but Hass is mostly Chinese owned since DJI hold a majority share in the company - without that investment Hass would have gone a while back.Fuji XT-3/4/5 are made in China - Fujifilm is also said to resume negative color film production in Nanning, China. The first films to go in production will be the Fujifilm C200 and Fujifilm C400 and made by Yes!Star, which is known for making medical film.The Fuji X100VI is made in China too
Agree. It’s not a big deal anymore and the quality of products coming out of China are good!
i'm surprised how narrow minded some people are just because its "made in China" or "its a LX100ii repackaged".
Look at the world guys, Made in China is so common nowadays (i'm looking at you, X100VI) and i'm sorry, but Made in China does not mean poor quality (surprise surprise!). Yes, it's made in China but honestly i feel that the price is reflective of this man.
You know just by the brand that you are paying a premium for the branding, so don't look at the D-Lux and expect a Panasonic pricing. If you cant justify the branding premium, just go and buy a Panasonic, no one is stopping you.
Sure, you want a Made in Germany/Japan camera, then when they do that, don't come and complain why so expensive. The D-Lux is comparatively cheaply priced and it's a good entry into the color profiles of Leicas.
Well said
for other things maybe, but people pay premium pricing for Lecia as you might be aware, i think its ok to expect that its build in Germany
if they are build in china, drop the premium pricing
@@user-sf5bt8eb4y for Leica this is affordable:)
Well, it is a LX100ii repackaged. It's got the same exact lens at 5:38 as mine LX100II. Why is it no one bothers to compare the 2 cameras. I would pay for a Leica Made in China, but I would not pay for this scam.
We are all spoiled by the camera specs these days. I took some of my best photos on a D-Lux 2 with an 8 megapixel sensor (some cropped massively). The D-Lux 8 sensor is more than adequate. My problem is convincing myself not to buy the camera. I’ve had a look at the DNGs from the camera and they’re really very good up to 1600 ISO and modern noise reduction software means that above that is also easy to get excellent pictures. Of course, my M11 blows it away in comparison - its 10,000 ISO is roughly the same as 1,600 ISO on the D-Lux. Still, easier to stuff a D-Lux in a pocket!
M11 and D-Lux 8 are slightly different :) yes software can help out a lot when it comes to ISO
The cost difference between those two cameras! 🤯
I've been using m43 professionally, for over a decade now. I've even had photos taken with a 16mp m43 sensor blown up to billboard size. and with no issues. APS-C and FF isn't everything it is cracked up to be. I've taken pictures of Lords inside the HoL, Parliament, London with m43, shot images of Rolls Royce cars at the very prestigious International Property Awards in Mayfair, London, all using 16mp m43 (Olympus). If you really believe m43 isn't enough, then you aren't really a photographer, or at best, just an amateur. That may sound arrogant, but it's totally correct/true. I think most will be blown away by what the D-Lux 8 will deliver for them. It's a bargain.
This is why I had to retract my thoughts on M43 after using this camera :)
You should be reviewing mirco 4/3rds cameras. I was an early adopter and bought the original Panasonic mirrorless camera when Panasonic and Olympus pioneered the format and system 12-13 years ago. Since then lenses are usable across those two manufacturers, I've bounced between bodies from the two makers over the years. I have exhibited work with images from these cameras and I think they are grossly under-estimated.
@@kurtkramer4706 it’s a bit challenging where I’m at as Panasonic isn’t really strong in SE Asia and OM is hard to find.
Leica D-lux 7, Lumix LX100 M2 is the same. They are 5-year-old models and you can hardly find them on the market, which means that they are still excellent. D-Lux8 is only a cosmetic treatment, but a very successful one. Now the menu is beautifully simplified. Personally, I would accept: skip the motor and have the zoom manual - that would be great. The motor is the weakest part of the camera - it is too slow. The video function didn't even have to be there - the iPhone will do a better job. Minus: Slow zoom motor, lack of grip is questionable, significantly higher noise compared to FullFrame, M43 sensor is prone to make purple artifacts in strong backlight, body is not wather resistant. Everything else is amazing - currently the only camera of its kind in the world.
Amazing video as always!! I’m sooo curious about using this camera for Portraits, studio and outdoors since now we can shoot DNG, have you tried anything like that? Or maybe a future video about it?
Keep with the amazing work Bobby, you’re awesome!!
@@ricomarques thanks! I haven’t tried studio work but yes can use for that. Don’t see why not.
If I get the camera back perhaps but I’ll need to ask Leica
This lens is like all the Pana-Leicas. They're all engineered by Leica and then manufactured by Panasonic. This cooperation has a long tradition and has given us some super nice glas over more then a decade now.
Agree 👍
Video is early 2000s Digicam vibes :)
People are paying good money for that look now 😂
Let's go! I cannot wait to get my own D-Lux 8!
@@GINOxRED awesome! You will enjoy it
Great review, probably the best technical review I've seen.
Thank you 🙏
I turned touch off on the rear screen of my Leica cameras to stop the focus box from moving. My nose touched the screen when looking through the viewfinder and moved the box. Give that a try.
Will try that next time it’s available to test again
Thanks for addressing a lot of the questions around the camera. I also wanted to say you nailed the look and audio in your videos!
Did Leicia improve the weather / dust resistance versus the Panasonic LX100 series?
Thanks for the kind words.
While it’s better made than the D-Lux 7 it’s the same in terms of weather sealing
Very nice, thank you. I had an earlier version, which I used for work years ago. It was always reliable. This looks good, other than the 'sea creature' lens flaps, which may not resist dust or fluff.
@@crispin8888 thanks! yes I didn’t use that lens cap for this review
Well, this all made in Germany, 16 megapixel APS sensor with a beautiful pop up flash and a real Leica lens (created by Peter Karbe) camera already exists. It is the Leica X-Vario. It's just fantastic. If you want to go smaller, there's the Leica X-2. I think these cameras were ahead of their time, if they were released today - with the more advanced tech we have now - I am sure they would be absolutely killers. The DNG files are so, so good. I love them. You should review one!
@@jkfshdfjsh I have a lineup of Leica film cameras to get to for reviews but yes would be great to try.
My d-lux 6 is made in Japan. The thing I liked about it is the optional electronic viewfinder that is tiltable.
@@bngr_bngr yes in that era most of the Panasonic cameras were made there as well.
Spooky focus box problem. Simple swtch off touch screen, its your nose that does when you use the view finder! Drove me round the bend when I first got my XH1!
Thanks for the insight, Bobby! 👌🏽🎯📸💯
Thanks for watching!
A really nice one. I am fine with 17mp, enough to print (if you want) in a decent size. I wished (as the body has gotten a tad bigger compared to the 7) that they include some sensor stabilisation (pixel shift just in case one is out and needs some more mp) and maybe a new processor and a tillable screen (like the Q3). Thanks for your opinion, always very valuable for me
Thanks for watching. The grip helps in terms of size. Sensor stabilisation would have been ideal too.
Phase AF and no blackout would have been crazy for this.
Yes!
Yeah, still cheap panasonic
This is my dream LX100. That first gen Lumix was such a magic combination. I even like the imperfections of the early gen m4/3 sensor. Really punchy colours and sharp when it needed to be.
The D-Lux 8 will be perfect for someone who wants a single small camera that is very versatile and easy to travel with. No worry’s of changing lenses, using adapters etc. It could be someone’s primary camera but also a great secondary or EDC for someone who has heavier kits full frame or medium format, film etc.
@@malfunkt agree!
Just get the LX100 or the LX100ii then. No need to waste money on this low effort Leica crap. This camera is more about accessories than actual camera. Leica could've easily used the new 25mp M43 sensor and made a tiltable screen. Instead they just rehoused an LX100ii and called it a day... appalling
@@anasrida3454 thanks. I’ve owned the LX100 years back. The newer sensor would have been good, and Leica is not a value brand.
That said the used prices for point-and-shoots and many cameras almost makes the price point reasonable.
I won’t be buying either though, as I have a very capable MILC setup that is serving me well.
@@anasrida3454 the LX100ii is almost as expensive as the 8, so why not just get the 8? Latest tech + software.
Is there threading for a filter on the front of the lens?
Can the manual focus ring be reset to make it a manual zoom ring?
Happy Leica Q2 owner, intrigued by this new compact camera.
It’s a great supplemental camera for those that want something small and versatile
Thanks Bobby.
#LX100III or #LX200, #DLux9: Hope Leica/Panasonic Lumix will keep developing the LX100/D-Lux Line of advanced point and shoot. Keep the M43, probably a slightly bigger body to accommodate IBIS, Tilting screen, full M4/3 sensor size use (no physical aspect ratio of the sensor, probably software)
Smart move from Leica to capitalize on the sudden point and shoot hype.
Lumix has an history of building rangefinder cameras. I still believe Lumix could build a successful FF L mount rangefinder.
I’m sure this will continue as the popularity is really at a high point currently
movement of the box could be your nose, happened to be on the small e-series of fujifilm!
@@ryans_life I thought so too, but at times when my nose wasn’t touching the screen it had already moved
I pre ordered it on my local Leica Store in Italy… looking forward to test it on my own! Thank you for the video! I hope in the near future they add “Leica looks preset” and the progressive zoom function (24-28-35-50-75) . I remember I saw it in D Lux 7 and I hope it comes in the 8 too
Congrats! Yes hope to see the looks come to the D-Lux 8
I just jumped into the shop and tested a demo. I could make a decision right after several minutes. The built, the ease of control, and of course, the Leica tone of colour. Am a X2 user here.
@@joaquimvong indeed. It feels very good in the hands of
@@btonelli unfortunately I need to wait until Sept to get an unit in my region...
Any idea when it will ship to dealers? Various unconfirmed reports of delay. My dealer says months.
My x100f is made in Japan.
There already is a Panasonic Version and its called the LX100 II. Its just another skin for it.
X100F, yes, made in Japan. Newer model in China. Same with the XT range, older models were made in Japan then later ones in China.
Great review and very original from others I've seen. Just one thing....
Yes, bigger sensors matter. But most people, including photographers, won't see the difference. I can. But still love m43 and have used it for about 7 years. Used to work with Canon FF. For myself, I'd get FF (the rumored S1R II is on my lookout) just for me and maybe higher-paying/big fashion work. But for the most part, especially in the studio, m43 is totally fine.
This Leica is on my list. Done quite a bit of research and nothing else just didn't stack against it. You can basically throw it in just about any bag and not notice it's there. It's just too much effort to carry even an average m43 camera around everywhere. I think this thing is going to sell like crazy. My first Leica.
@@ricardorgomez thanks for watching.
Yes it’s really a solid compact that holds up even after all these years
I agree that the camera probably hits the sweet spot for many buyers, especially those who hanker after the Leica marque. But... Somehow Fuji and Ricoh can offer higher megapixel APS-C sensors at the same price point or, in the case of Ricoh, quite a bit less. What was needed, I think, was a fixed-lens, short zoom, Return of the Leica CL for $1500-2000, with the Maestro II processor,. A new design, all Leica. That would have really rocked the markett. I suspect Leica was worried that would somehow cannibalize sales of its Q line even though they are much more expensive.
@@RonScibilia Leica Cl2 is what we need right now. Even though Leica Cl still works like a champ. Cl2 will kill Q3 sales if it is available.
@@RonScibilia the Ricoh is good but also missing an EVF, variable zoom lens and it’s a bit small for some. The CL is good but with the lenses you get into Q pricing quickly
@@mohdfarizolabdulghani7208 they are very close in price when you start factoring lenses
@@btonelli I agree with that, but with the compactness of CL and selection of a lot M lens, we can't deny that CL give a lot of possibilities
@@btonelli Yes. I just meant the sensor.
Hope Leica will keep this type of camera around
@@user-ms8qg2rz5s based on the popularity I believe they will
The focus box moves to the corner is because you are touching the screen with the tip of your nose, it irritates me too, by the way D-lux 7 is an amazingly well built camera too with only two tiny plastic parts on the sides.
I thought so too so I tried it a couple times being aware of that and it still happens must be something I’m doing perhaps.
Yes the D-Lux 7 is well built. The 8 surprisingly even better
Hi Bobby, is it possible to set it to a certain focal length? Let's say 35mm, so it automatically goes to 35mm when I turn it on?
Thanks for the question. Don’t believe that’s possible as when the camera is turned off the lens resets.
Hey Bobby, thanks for the video. I have a Leica D-lux 109 (7) that I've used for the same purpose as yourself.... something light to take around with me as I want something that goes beyond my iPhone. Do you find that the 8 is a step forward beyond the 7 simply put? I"ve been waiting for this for years it seems. Btw, I'm glad to have found your YT Channel and subscribed.
Thanks for the support!
If you have the last version D-Lux 7, the 8 will only be a cosmetic and UI update. If you have older D-Lux cameras then yes this will be a good update. That’s probably the best way I can put it. Hope this helps
Nice follow-up review. I've one on order ;-)
Question: can you think of a (square) lenshood in combo with an UV filter that stays on the lens for protection, instead of the 'butterfly' lens clip?
Congrats and thanks for watching. Unfortunately I don’t have any options for that currently. I’m sure there must be something out there
I have used Leica digital cameras since Digilux 1, and D-lux 1, so if Leica DL8 was inspired by Q, it wouldn't make sense to me. I just wished Leica with their heritage followed the traditional design from the M series. Digilux 2 was a huge success and really wished Leica could bring that design back to the future Dlux series. Fuji understood their traditional identity early on with x100 series. And they do so well. Ricoh/Pentax the same.
Can you lock the zoom ? When you turn the camera on does the zoom return to its prior position ? How does the zoom behave with power saving ?
About the focus point moving around, when touch AF is disabled, the manual says that you still can move it by a double tap. That is what probably happened to you.
Question: Will this iteration of the Panasonic LX series of cameras suck in dust onto the sensor?
The camera is too new to know if there is a dust issue. These questions asked to us that review it are very hard to replicate as that takes using a camera for a long period of time.
It’s like asking a car reviewer how the car will perform at 50k miles when it was just released
A pass for me. I am more exicted about the new Pixii Max. Will you be reviewing it?
Would love to if they reach out to me. Looks interesting
Thanks for the video. I think you hit some key points, especially, this is probably targeting those who want to get on the Leica train and never had a Leica before.
Thank you. Agree, this is a good gateway for some and a solid supplemental camera for others
@@btonelli the question is dlux 8 or Ricoh GRiii x hdf
@@sadsack1981 for me D-Lux 8. More versatile
Can I please ask the group a novice/Leica virgin question. I’m not sure whether to go with this as a new camera or I have the opportunity to buy a second hand Leica CL Paul smith edition … any thoughts???
@@simbagabrielle5891 with the CL you will need to get lenses. They are no longer sold by Leica so you need to source them. Also the camera is no longer sold sk check the warranty. If you are okay with both of those things the CL is a great camera
Ordered mine - going to use as travel / mountain camera - will be in Nepal this fall for 3-1/2 weeks, see how it handles - my only concern is it’s not weather sealed- I’m just not keen to carry and use a heavy camera system - coming from Nikon F film, to Nikon Full Frame, to Fuji system , and now this … I’ll also try the Ricoh GR when I can get my hands on one … Thanks for the overview
Congrats
@@btonelliDoes it come with the retractable lens cap? Or do I need to order that separately? Thanks
@@namaste.tashidelek no you need to get that separately
fantastic review
Thank you 🙏
I already have that flash. It's the same flash that was issued with the Panasonic GM5 years ago.
Good sum up! I already have a Canon Powershot G1X Mark III. Should this camera die, with no available units left, the D-Lux 8 would be my only choice left for a large sensor compact camera with zoom lens.
My first choice for such a tool was the LX100II, but it had lens particle ingress issues. I’m imagining there’s no such thing on this camera. If only it had some form of weather resistance as well.
I wrote to you earlier that I have an order in with B&H for the Fuji 100VI since March. I put in my order for the Leica D-Lux 8 almost a week ago (with B&H) after watching your videos. You mentioned that you believed I was likely to receive the 8 sooner than the 100VI. Well, I hope you are right.
I just received an update from B&H (the first in many months) on my fuji order. They now say that they expect to ship the 100VI to me by December 10.
@@marketguy2 that’s crazy on the X100VI. Hope the D-Lux 8 comes sooner
Hello Sir …. I have been using Fujifilm XT30 ii for a while, for everyday shooting and for street photography. Should I go for Laica DL8 replacing Fujifilm ? Need your advice 🙏
One has a built in lens and M4/3 the other APS-C camera with options to change lenses.
It depends on your needs really and how you photograph. Just from a standpoint of flexibility the XT30 will give you more but for compact then the D-Lux 8
@12:12 I have the same issue with the M11, when using the EVF, where the zoom box randomly moves from the center to one of the four corners. Very frustrating, and the only way to fix it is to reboot the camera.
Will try that next time I have the camera
It looks like an amazing camera
@@johncain6225 it’s a good camera. Tech may be slightly older but still holds up to today’s photography requirements for a camera this size
This seems like a really nice pocket camera! A for the resolution, I’m thinking there’s software out there to increase the resolution…so 17mpx is no biggie
@@irutgers very true!
It would be nice as a travel companion to a film Leica M. The Lumix G100D adding the DG summilux 9,15 and 25mm lenses is a more flexible m43 option with same OLED VF. The focus box wander was one of the reasons I sold my Leica CL.
Yes that was another camera I also experienced that with
I really want it with a microphone jack
Me too
Any interval shooting mode?
To play devil’s advocate… the hand made, small- batch, German production is often touted as a reason for Leica’s price premium (I think more than any other camera brand I hear this argument to partly justify the price)- to pay the German workers a living wage, etc. Acknowledging you can get great quality from Chinese factories, to your point.
Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks and great point!
Excellent review/overview. My first 4/3 camera was a Panasonic G1 in -- what? -- 2011? Results always good. I have been enamored by the LX line since LX3, switched to it from Canon G9 after starting with the original Canon G1 in 2000. Last LX was the LX100 model 1. D-Lux 8 camera appears to be a kind of peak of what can be done with this design. Mine is back ordered at B&H (they have my $$$ but I don't have the camera yet) Will chime in after I've had it for a while. Thanks again (I subscribed). P.S. Why the cheesy name? D-Lux for the least expensive camera available new from Leica. Someone on another site said D-Lux 8 was like the name of a Pontiac from 1935. 🤣
Thanks for watching and appreciate the subscribe 🙏
Yes the name is a bit odd come to think of it haha
Yes I think we are at the peak of what can be done with this sensor and lens now. Hopefully you get yours soon. Let me know what you think of it when it arrives.
@@btonelli Yes. I think the D-Lux 8 hits a pinnacle for small P&S cameras with a large(r) lens. The LX100 got almost there -- this more refined design will be hard to beat. Altho it would be great if someone tried.
Can you change the function on one of the two buttons on the back to be a "back focus button"? With my Canon and Olympus cameras I use, and strongly prefer, a back focus button. It holds the focus distance through multiple exposures until you use the back focus button again to focus at a different distance. It eliminates the need to focus and re-frame with every exposure if you're using the halfway pressure on the exposure release button.
You can change function buttons on the back. To what settings I’m not sure as I don’t have the camera
Awesome review.
Thank you 🙏
What are the Monochrome profiles like? Panasonic had L.monoD which was quite lovely if you didnt want to shoot raw and edit. Leica have their own version?
@@jshanni2066 yes they have High Contrast BW and BW. Both are really nice and you see them here in the photos shown
17mp means that the coverage of the sensor is only 81%, so in effect, the sensor "size" is 19% smaller than Micro4Thirds. If they had done nothing else except increase the coverage of the existing sensor to 100% this would have been a significant improvement. I like everything here, but they needed to do more with the lens/sensor combination. I like the 'made in China' route for this line of cameras, as it lowers the price appropriately for this category. I would also like 14-bit raw files. However, I like this so much that I will probably buy one.
Its a really tempting price point at S$2450 for a leica camera but at the same time, its also really hard to convince people to buy into especially when you see competitor models such as the ricoh gr iii with a 24mp apsc sensor that only costs S$1400 brand new. Tough decision to make as I am tempted to get the gr iii until the release of this camera!!
I hear you. I have the GRIIIX with me, and while I love the image quality, due to my eyesight (hard to see close up on screens) it’s hard for me at times to use it, I prefer an EVF.
Best camera of the year! That year being 2019...
I still have the D-Lux Type 109 (LX100 original based). Also the same lens. Entire camera MADE IN JAPAN. Only 4MP less than the new D-Lux 8.
Hi Bobby, I have a couple of questions. I have mine on order for a week. Have they actually been released yet in the US? If not, when? I hear they are already backordered. Does Leica have any idea how long it might take to fulfill the orders and for people like me to receive the 8? Do you think it will be as bad as the 100VI. I've been waiting on the VI since March.
Do you think that Leica will have the Looks ready soon for the 8? I shoot Fuji mostly in JPG. For a JPG shooter, I imagine it will be quite a bummer if Looks doesn't come to the 8? Please. Your thoughts on this.
Thanks so much buddy.
Hi. From what I understand they are released but due to surprisingly high demand initial stocks are limited but I think you should see it sooner than the X100VI.
As far as Leica Looks the only one not really there is that eternal look. The rest of the colors are pretty much the same but Leica is looking at how to add them in.
Do you think that the 8 will be a good camera to shoot jpg's on. Or will I need to switch back to RAW to get great results?
Remember, I am spoiled on Fuji.
such a shame it doesn't have a tilting screen for shooting from the hip.
Yes that would have been nice
Have a d-lux typ 109, should I upgrade? Everything seems the same except the Mp 12 Vs 17; but at least the typ 109 is made in Japan
Significant differences in build and UI plus image quality I feel
#Question Will Leica Looks from Q3 and SL3 of the Fotos App be made accesible for the D Lux 8 aswell? Also: Is there an explantion from Leica as to why they did not implement a tilt screen? Was it just cost or is there some philosophical reason for that?
Currently no but I hear Leica is trying to work on that for a potential future upgrade but no definite timeline or details now
@@btonelli Thanks! It would look good on Leica to streamline such features over all their cameras IMHO. Like you get different iPhone models but all run the same OS.
The general public do not buy this kind of camera for professional video creation. In fact Leica cameras generally are not of that type but the D-Lux and Q models will take good enough video for casual and holiday fun use for recording places and events. Most more advanced video creators will want fully articulating screens and more advanced multi-purpose cameras but even so the vast majority are not interested in advanced codecs and confusing choices. These are the realm of professional film makers. If posting to RUclips, all that really matters is that the camera makes acceptable 1080 and maybe 4K videos. The rest is up to the shooter creating a story and their editing skills. Lots of very popular RUclips channels are shot using phones for the most part.
Yes agree, but I had some questions on video so I answered them here.
yes
@@tristandu1776 thanks for watching
I have a Q3 but I want this. I need a replacement for my GX9.
It’s a nice compliment to the Q3
The D-Lux 8 has only a 12 Bit Sensor - is that a photo-quality issue?
Not really. Most won’t even know the difference to be honest. Capturing great photos isn’t about 12 Bit or 14 Bit it’s about moments and composition, lighting and emotion.
Can you put a filter on the lens? For example, orange to darken the skies. Or a polarizer, that you must twist and view the effects to make it beneficial.
Not sure. I didn’t have such accessories.
Would love to see this compared to the ricoh gr iii
I have a Ricoh but I only had limited time with the D-Lux
This is a camera I really want to buy. Korea is too expensive. It costs approximately 1,900 US dollars. And it is said to be released in August. Nonetheless, I am worried that it will sell out.
So far two month back order from Leica
Right now, aside from the frisson you will get from the Q "cues" and menu derived from the Q and now a better OLED EVF and slightly better LCD (all of which alone would explain the jump in price) along with the same lens that Leica insisted (from previous reviews on standard met on previous DLux's and Lumix LX's made by Panasonic which is waist deep in its partnership with Leica still) if the processor is the same the output will be the same. But...if the processor is a modified version of the latest "Maestro" and not the previous processor THEN it would be a true enthusiasts Leica. Otherwise you have a nice showpiece to hold in your hand that the user may really want people to recognize.
@@PeterB-Dlux I asked about the processor but no response thus far. I’m guessing it’s probably mostly the same but I don’t want to assume.
the images are So Bright.. maybe brighter than other Leicas... anyone agree? However the video was blown out
I think it’s your device you are watching on.
Designed in Germany, but just a reskinned Lumix LX100ii
@@Readwandx some of the tech is similar but now more Leica DNA
Same lens, same sensor just like the Panasonic. Probably a newer processor however.
@@jonaskuprys2902 newer body, new UI, new EVF and display.
@@btonelli But the lens and sensor appear to be same as that old Panasonic.
@@jonaskuprys2902 yes you are correct but also take note that leica doesn’t allow anyone to put their name on a lens they aren’t involved with.
Just a rebadged Panasonic LX100 ii introduced in 2018. Same sensor, same controls, etc. And the Panasonic was at a MUCH lower price.
WAS, not NOW. Brand new it's similar price.
Does it have the “Leica colors” and B&W looks like the Q’s?
Yes
the flash has a dedicated power pin that draws power from the camera (doesn't have a internal battery) so unfortunately it won't work with any other cameras.......
@@wewuwewu thanks 👍 unfortunate as the size and power output is great!
There’s a tiny Olympus FL-LM3 flash that should be compatible too; I use it with my typ 109. The Olympus flash is marginally taller, but also tilts if you want bounce off a low ceiling.
@@AdamHouston is that the same as the flash that came with the EM-5 MkII? I have one somewhere but never used it.
@@ianforber I never owned an E-M5ii, but that is the same flash. I just checked online and the flash is still available.
However, I remembered the catch - the flash doesn’t fit on the D-Lux without adjustment. It won’t push in sufficiently to allow electrical connection unless you trim the plastic flange - five minute job that doesn’t change the function of the flash.
@@AdamHouston Very helpful, thank you. If I get a D-lux at least I won’t need to buy the flash!
Is it dust proof? My LX100ii is now garbage because of dust in the sensor that cannot be removed.
It’s the same as before. I know the build quality is improved though on the D-Lux 8
hey bobby, judging from your shots, are you based in Singapore?
Should organise a local shoot session sometime
Yes I am. Been here for 17 years :)
Sure can do that!
Well done, Bobby!
Thank you Hugh 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
nice light flares
Thanks. Going for the JJ Abrams feel 😊
I still think they should have fitted a prime 14mm/1.7 to go with the m4/3 sensor… the lens having remained the same is disappointing to me. Fitting the zoom makes it a bit too pedestrian, it doesn’t excite me in the same way a fixed focal length does.
Initially I thought that too but the zoom will allow you to fill the frame with the thing you’re photographing, eliminating the need for more megapixels if you need to crop. The downside of course is the lag in zooming rather than just taking the picture.
@@ianforber That would have been fine, were it a mechanically coupled zoom. This lens isn’t, so it will never be quick and precise enough to do what you want it to do.
No, I really stand by my opinion that they should have redesigned the lens from the ground up. Maybe a bit more inspiration from the Q3 would have been welcome, bump up the MP accommodate for ‘multiple focal lengths’.
@@HesselFolkertsma Fair point. It wouldn’t work on Street. I was thinking of landscape and maybe travel.
I heard from some leica sales folks that something else might be coming to the market this year. Have you heard anything?
@@thinkpadx60 I hear many things and I know nothing 😂
I bought it waiting for delivery
Congrats!
The consensus reviews… [paraphrased] ‘Excuse me for saying so… this camera is great.’ It is almost like no-one expected this D-Lux 8 to be anything worth considering. And, maybe I’m in that group , and maybe not. I bought a titanium D-Lux 4 when they came out…, the ‘same’ Panasonic camera at a higher cost, and it was all about the Leica branding everyone said. The Leica D-Lux 4 was used a lot, looked great, did what it needed to, here in Japan had an English menus and 3-year warranty (both the Panasonic didn’t have), and I enjoyed using it. Maybe I miss that D-Lux convenience, maybe the reason I’m even looking/considering the new D-Lux 8. The sensor size doesn’t bother me, even 17pm is plenty enough for larger prints and absolutely no issue with any computer screen size. Leica cleaned up the camera button and menu software, and the comparison to the Q3 is obvious. A still great lens with the most useful focal-length range. For a compact ‘point and shoot’ it clicks all the boxes. Its price is not cheap, or even in the midrange, but at the top of the premium compact cameras, and maybe that is where Leica is going to have a problem. I can’t imagine that production cost is up there in the stratosphere (being in China). They could have had a real winner here for the internet/social-media crowd and casual users, but with today’s world economy anyone considering this will have to think a few times to decide if a point and shoot with a Leica name and all that goes with that is worth the substantial purchase price.
@@Hektormydog with any product there will always be some that find value in some things and value in others. It’s not a one size fits all.
If we were to look at your example, Leica wouldn’t sell cameras and everyone would buy Sony, Fuji, Nikon etc for the performance to price ratio. However Leica falls under a different category. Some say luxury, history, craftsmanship etc.
Why no Leica Looks integration on this camera? Surely this is the most ideal camera for those filters.
I agree. I heard Leica is working on it
Hi Bobby. Thanks for all your work on this. I have three questions. 1. Does Leica plan to add Leica Looks? 2. How would you compare the D-Lux to the 100VI in terms of image quality, AF and anything else you'd like to add? Which one do you personally like better, the 100VI or the D-Lux? Meaning, which one would you rather own? And why? 3. Does Leica believe they will be able to fulfill demand/orders in a timely manner?
Again, many thanks.
Thanks for watching.
They are looking into a way to add Leica Looks but so far no definitive timeline.
The X100VI is a 40MP APS-C camera vs a 17MP
4/3” so there will be a difference.
With that said you will have more flexibility with the D-Lux 8 due to the zoom lens and I see no degradation of image quality from 24 to 75mm.
I think everyone was a bit shocked by the demand for the D-Lux 8 so I’m sure Leica is working hard to fulfill the demand.
As for which one I like? They are different cameras so hard to say. I feel the X100VI has better Video specs but I like the versatility of the D-Lux 8 more when it comes to focal range
@@btonelli Thanks so much for the reply. I just ordered one through your link. I included the grip you recommended.
I basically do photos with just a rare video if needed. I own the T5 and love it. I've never used a Leica and am excited to try it.
I have had an order at B&H for the VI since March. We'll see which ships first.
@@btonelliready to run for office with those answers
@@SteveJobIess lol!! 😂😂😂
@@marketguy2 thank you for the support greatly appreciated 🙏 hope you enjoy it!
What’s the minimum focus length?
It has a macro function
Hello Bobby from Russia. Thanks for your job. Can you answer me about quality photos of this camera versus photos from SL3. How much difference between photos of that's cameras? What is your opinion of my idea to change Leica SL3 + SL 24-90 on this compact camera Leica D-Lux 8 with zoom objective for shooting childs in the school?
This is an overpriced product from Leica and it’s one for the fan boys of the red dot 🔴 fraternity. This video is one of the best breakdowns on this camera on RUclips by a country mile. Great job Sir and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us all.
Thanks for the kind words on the video
I don't get how, say compared to the Ricoh GR III or the Fuji X100VI that the Leica is 'overpriced'? It's actually quite cheap! The aforementioned cameras have fixed focal length lenses. The Leica has a very capable zoom. If you were wanting two focal lengths to the GR, you'd have to get a GR IIIx and then all the tele and wide converters to get all the extra focal lengths, and then you'd be shelling out enough for TWO Leica's!!
It is, of course, outrageously overpriced, which is expected of Leica. If anyone is in doubt, check out the price of accessories and have a good laugh. However, the camera is certainly a good product and has an advantage or three over the fixed focal length Fuji X100 MkVI at a competitive price to that and the Ricoh which has no viewfinder or stabilisation if I remember correctly. Another good news is that batteries and many accessories for the Panasonic LX100 and GX80 do fit the Leica and are very reasonably priced. So check those out before spending silly money on Leica brand accessories.
@@hedydd2 Erm, we're not talking about accessories here. If you want to have a laugh, look at the outrageously overpriced pleather cases that Ricoh make. $100 each. The Ricoh however *does* have IS. I know as I used to own one. Unlike its predecessor the GR II, which didn't have IS, the GR III has 3-axis stabilisation. Viewfinders are a boon, but they really aren't as necessary or critical as most like to make out. I've worked for years with a Ricoh GRD 4 compact and I've never missed not having a viewfinder. The D-Lux isn't overpriced. In fact it's a bargain, especially if you compare its price to that which is the M11.
Maybe your nose or face is hitting the touchscreen when you’re looking through the viewfinder moving the focus point around?
@@seansavery1186 I thought so as well but it happened even when I was aware of my nose touching
Is it weather resistant?
Nice video btw.
@@jeffreyb.1657 thanks. It can handle light weather but don’t go into pouring rain with it :)
This is a decent camera but the price is way too high for a camera with a sensor that only has an effective 17mp. It’s close to a price point I would have expected if they revived the Leica X line. Fixed lens, APSC sensor (hopefully 21-24mp).
...and a 6 year old sensor at that...
i spoken with leica last year the said to me the will no longer make any d lux camera and here we are
Haha they will say or not say depending.
Can you show us also right-out-of-the-camera photos?
Let me see if I can put together some photos in a google drive folder. Give me a day or two
It is good that they are still building this camera and that is to be commended. The excitement, surprise and general gush over its reissue as though it is something never been seen before all seems rather forced.
I was talking to our Leica office and everyone is shocked. But this was how it was for the X100. It was liked but it didn’t explode like this till about a year plus ago. We are in a moment where people like retro inspired smaller cameras.