Security Guards Assault Innocent Vet at the VA-and Claim Immunity

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • What should have been a routine dental appointment at his local VA took a frightening turn for 70-year-old Jose Oliva when security guards tackled him and threw him to the ground, injuring and humiliating him. When he sought to hold them accountable for their outrageous behavior, he found that the law protected those who abused their power-not him. In this episode, we dig into his story and what it means for millions of Americans.
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  • @InstituteForJustice
    @InstituteForJustice  3 года назад +11

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    • @roomwithapointofview
      @roomwithapointofview 3 года назад +4

      I wonder if the Nazi's *_ALSO_* thought they were acting righteously for a righteous cause or did they understand the evil they were doing and just did it for the paycheque, pension and privileges?
      *No* _people_ , _culture_ , _nation_ , _country_ or _empire_ , has ever survived, " *_Do as I say not as I do_* ".

    • @tedphillips2501
      @tedphillips2501 3 года назад +3

      This sounds like a racial hate crime - an Hispanic assaulted by 4 racist "good old boys" and a "good old boy" malfeasant racist District Attorney. How can "qualified Immunity" apply when it is clear the officers took just enough time off from their jobs, which means they were not government actors, to commit an undeserved hate crime against an Hispanic not engaged in criminal activity ?

    • @antonioreyes2692
      @antonioreyes2692 3 года назад +1

      What about deprivation of rights under color of law???🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @Donnie-cj8tg
      @Donnie-cj8tg 2 месяца назад

      ​@@antonioreyes2692 Most folks don't know what ACTOR'S Working "under color of law/color of office in this country really means. You are correct but if a prosecutor doesn't bring charges then they get off scot free

  • @eyespy1415
    @eyespy1415 3 года назад +299

    Remove Qualified Immunity, The Constitution was written to protect us from governments and their departments, NO IFS OR BUTS

    • @jefflong7568
      @jefflong7568 3 года назад +4

      Check out the decision 1794 zylstra v corporation Charleston South Carolina judge wiest gives a definition of exactly what due process of law and the law of the land is in state constitutions and also Federal Constitution and including the seventh amendment administrative agencies do not have the ability authority under no circumstances to judge the law all cases for life liberty property are at stake with the government you have a right to ensure your peers and that jury has the final say no advance but the way judge wished spelled this out in 1794 is beautiful no argument against it the man new here study done his research he knew what the magna Carta was and he knew what time in memorial and the birthright of all Americans to due process of law and luxury of your peers without accepting that was the standard when it was written that was the standard prior to it being written and that standard has not changed our civil liberties are ours the Constitution is a contract between the people we the people and the government we put in place to do our business if they cannot do our business correctly we've automatic or if they try to abuse us violate our constitutional rights we have immediate action through the power of the jury and that is why it was put there the Constitution would not have been ratified if it had not been put there no his answer but

    • @eyespy1415
      @eyespy1415 3 года назад +7

      @@jefflong7568 Does it come with commas and the odd full stop or exclamation mark?

    • @d.j.9961
      @d.j.9961 3 года назад +5

      If the Supreme Court does not hear this case and, Rule in favor of Mr. Jose Luis Oliva, I believe that will be the line in the sand! The powers that be are doing everything they can to violate every aspect of the Constitution! Look at the second amendment & how many infringements are in place, violating the second amendment! Over 20,000 law's/ infringements, violating the second most important right that We the people have & arguably the single most right we have once communication has broke down & when & if communication breaks down & the Supreme Court does not rule in favor of Mr.Oliva's unalienable rights then, truly all is lost...People. end to wake up to what is really going on & how law's are passed vacating Constitutional rights.

    • @bubbasmith179
      @bubbasmith179 3 года назад +2

      Hahahahaha your living in a dreamland . You have no rights .

    • @bubbasmith179
      @bubbasmith179 3 года назад +3

      @@eyespy1415 lol , you went the full troll . I love it 😆🤣🤣🤣

  • @cgn2570
    @cgn2570 3 года назад +422

    This is why the Constitution should be taught in grade school up. Qualified immunity has got to go.

    • @kidwave1
      @kidwave1 3 года назад +17

      To busy teaching our kids to be gay and trans, and that we are descendants of Aliens! Yes, they ARE actually teaching children discovery channel alien conspiracies as TRUTH now! Humanity is doomed!

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад +9

      @@kidwave1 no one is teaching our kids how to be gay or trans. Schools are, though, teaching kids or should that gay and trans people *exist.*
      But the lunatic Discovery Channel conspiracy theory that we're descended from aliens??? That's no more lunatic than teaching them that the first male human Adam was created whole cloth from the dust of the ground and that the firstvfemale human Eve was created from Adam's spare rib.

    • @zenwizard42
      @zenwizard42 3 года назад +6

      @@edwardmiessner6502 Did somebody say Spareribs????????

    • @christinekelly8766
      @christinekelly8766 3 года назад +6

      Oh. Yes. Bring back civics class. Start it on the 7th grade..and a minute of silent prayer. Bring back the flag also. I'm 65 and I love my country taught by my mother and classmates

    • @christinekelly8766
      @christinekelly8766 3 года назад +2

      Can you tell be my picture ?

  • @motorhomemac
    @motorhomemac 3 года назад +214

    Put the tyrants face's on the internet, TV and billboards.

    • @juanvaldez5422
      @juanvaldez5422 3 года назад +15

      They won't even give their names out. Same with p eds, chomos...they protect their anonymity to...its a system hijacked by demons

    • @nicholasmitchell9570
      @nicholasmitchell9570 3 года назад +1

      Yeah what’s his name? What faculty?

    • @eddarby469
      @eddarby469 3 года назад

      They should all be fired for cause and denied benefits along with the members of the board that initially found no basis for his complaint.

    • @eddarby469
      @eddarby469 3 года назад

      @Tom austin They certainly deserve to be punished, but no prosecutor could get to even a 20yr prison sentence much less a death sentence. I'd be interested to hear what Jose thinks they should be charged with.

    • @johndelmar9148
      @johndelmar9148 3 года назад +1

      I'm sure they got promoted

  • @CenterpointConnect
    @CenterpointConnect 3 года назад +101

    I worked at the VA financial center in Texas for 6 months and HATED going through their security checkpoints... a few guards were cool but some of them act like they have a vendetta. I ended up quitting because I just couldn't work for the government and its bureaucracy.

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +22

      I dont know how you tolerated it. I am a school teacher on distance learning and just found out my school installed facial recognition scanners while we were out. I am right up to the line being crossed for me to be able to keep working there. I cannot abide with the direction our nation is headed.

    • @justinrachal3301
      @justinrachal3301 3 года назад +11

      You should have seen them backpedal after they tried to take my father's pocket knife from him when i took him in for his chemo treatment in the Houston va hospital. They tried to confiscate his and my knives then i asked if i needed to call the JAG since im active duty navy.

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад +2

      Anyone who joins the military is doing exactly that, working for the government

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад +2

      @@r0xjo0 Straight to Hell, that is where our nation is headed.

    • @Blackhawk-ur4vx
      @Blackhawk-ur4vx 3 года назад +6

      I worked for the VA in northern California for a total of 5 days it was the worst job I have had and I am a dual service Veteran and served with the mariines,I sorry that I only know how to work not how to f"""k off all day

  • @mississippispider
    @mississippispider 3 года назад +189

    That's the problem with our justice system. Politicians and our own government pass laws to protect themselves under the same laws they put us in jail for.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад +4

      And when they don't, SCOTUS frequently covers for them. Watch Brownback v King! The Supremes by the FTCA law, by their own precedents, and by rights they should rule for the kid. Doesn't necessarily mean they will tho'

    • @jtw2055
      @jtw2055 3 года назад +11

      That's the problem with qualified immunity , it was never legislated on , it was made up by the Supreme Court out of thin air .

    • @toneduke
      @toneduke 3 года назад +6

      This is nuts. What if they shot the guy for no reason? This in my mind has nothing to do with the constitution or "rights" and everything to do with right and wrong..

    • @wesleyhuffman1417
      @wesleyhuffman1417 3 года назад +3

      JUSTUS FOR JOSEY !!

    • @danthemansmail
      @danthemansmail 3 года назад +3

      The purpose of the police is to protect the rich....FROM YOU.

  • @robinjohnson9915
    @robinjohnson9915 3 года назад +106

    This is appalling! Anyone with any common sense can see those officers were clearly in the wrong! God Bless Jose and Sir, thank you for your service to our Country!

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад +2

      But the cops are serving their country too, no?
      That is sarcasm, but there is a point to it.

    • @blazesona12
      @blazesona12 3 года назад +3

      @@babydriver8134 but can they truely be said to be "surving the country" when they do somthing clearly unlawfull and also badly misreporting things (both in actions and reports) and r likely to get away with it

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад

      @@blazesona12
      ??

  • @annegonzalez7939
    @annegonzalez7939 3 года назад +111

    Did they pick him because they knew he was to old to put up a fight and they wouldn't be held accountable. The entire situation is an outrage.

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +17

      They don't care about age, sex, social class, etc. When you are immune, and with power, you do whatever you want.

    • @annegonzalez7939
      @annegonzalez7939 3 года назад +5

      @@r0xjo0 THEY WENT AFTER 'HIM', there HAS TO BE A REASON.!🤬😡

    • @jessewilson8676
      @jessewilson8676 3 года назад +5

      It was likely a bet from the night before drinking that they would kick the ass of the ___# patient to walk into the hospital knowing they would get away with it.

    • @larrybond5258
      @larrybond5258 3 года назад +1

      It looks to me as if they were scared an old (75) man was going to break out with some kung fu stuff and hurt 3 or 4 young fat out of shape officers so they jumped him before he could get in a crane stance and almost couldn't hold him down but I could be wrong maybe it was the camera angles just saying

    • @jeffharper9703
      @jeffharper9703 3 года назад +4

      @@r0xjo0 BUT HE WAS GUILTY OF GOING TO THE DENTIST, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THOSE OFFICERS

  • @curlywurly70
    @curlywurly70 3 года назад +162

    Abolish qualified immunity.

    • @zenwizard42
      @zenwizard42 3 года назад +4

      It's gone in Colorado.....

    • @moray2
      @moray2 3 года назад +2

      Kirk. Amen

    • @curlywurly70
      @curlywurly70 3 года назад +8

      @@zenwizard42 1 down, 49 to go.

  • @swa_peeters
    @swa_peeters 3 года назад +62

    If you want to kill someone without being punished, get a federal job.

    • @spritemon98
      @spritemon98 3 года назад +3

      Heres a scary thought.
      I wonder if cops can get away with mass murder while on the job?

    • @shivasirons6159
      @shivasirons6159 3 года назад

      Just have the police do a welfare check on someone, good chance they wind up dead., At least beaten.

    • @Playingwithproxies
      @Playingwithproxies 3 месяца назад +4

      @@spritemon98in the 5th circuit they very well could

  • @SnarkNSass
    @SnarkNSass 3 года назад +127

    They Lie! They do whatever they want to whomever they want. Disgusting.

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +9

      Welcome to the world of zero accountability. A broken system where the cops, DA, judge, city council, mayor, etc, all work for themselves, and for big business, and do not work for WE THE PEOPLE.

    • @SnarkNSass
      @SnarkNSass 3 года назад +3

      @@r0xjo0 zactly

    • @fordsilver3181
      @fordsilver3181 3 года назад +10

      Our police and courts are not just corrupt but rotten to the core.

    • @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut
      @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut 3 года назад +3

      @@r0xjo0 A lot of government agencies are not held accountable really. Intelligence, military and security agencies are some of them. Some of them are probably spying on us at this very moment. Whenever you use your phone, your laptop, your computer. What are we gonna do about it?

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад +1

      @@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut whatever we *can* do about it which is squat.

  • @whyareyousoangry7322
    @whyareyousoangry7322 3 года назад +99

    The VA has some dangerous federal agents, this happens a lot at various VA’s

    • @beep-beep
      @beep-beep 2 года назад +2

      You just know they probably “would have joined the military, but…”

  • @TheClearchoice18
    @TheClearchoice18 3 года назад +112

    Those aggressive officers should go to jail for that kind of tyranny

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад +4

      Of course.
      But they wont.

    • @brianjacobsen5762
      @brianjacobsen5762 3 года назад +5

      Smart thing to do. Do some intelligence find out where there by themselves. 10 big MF with ski mask gloves. Take care business.

    • @mikhellen3267
      @mikhellen3267 3 года назад +4

      Obviously you are not paying attention, that is not going to happen-ever-for any action. People WILL take matters into their own hands and fed and state officials WILL die. Then their families will whine that they were “ only doing there jobs”, when in reality they were high on “authority”, and joined some form of mob or gang mentality.

  • @erleclaire
    @erleclaire 3 года назад +86

    I wanted to talk to the business office to discus a billing issue. The clerk ( I think had mental issues) for no reason started to call security. The people around me were puzzled, and I realized it was time to get out..... When you go to VA say nothing, do not look at anybody, admit to nothing, and most important realize that what you say can and will be used against you. Think not? They ask personal questions, then later you will find that you are singled out for special treatment (have fear!) You are a SLAVE and PROPERTY to the state and they OWN you! Game is rigged folks!

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +10

      Indeed. Land of the free? Get it straight. You are a slave.

    • @Dave-ty2qp
      @Dave-ty2qp 3 года назад +6

      i retired in 87, after 20 years, and 3 1/2 years in combat zone, 12 years overseas, Never went to a VA hospital, because I lost my brother, and two brothers in law in those slum jails. I'd die before I went to one, or maybe it would be more accurate to say I'd die if i did go to one.

    • @zenwizard42
      @zenwizard42 3 года назад +4

      @@Dave-ty2qp Right on Brother.. I agree.

    • @ch1673
      @ch1673 3 года назад +5

      well spoken I assume you are a veteran and worthy of respect I believe that all people that protect this country are worthy of respect and a security guard has no business beating up an old man that protected us hell he protected the security guards right to get a job God damn it

    • @brainpaint
      @brainpaint 3 года назад +3

      I hate hearing other vets having terrible exp with the VA. My father in law also had a bad exp with the VA in Virginia. However the VA clinic and hospital I go to in WV has been really good to me. I am lucky to have a good VA clinic and Hospital. We don't even have security stations we have to go through. They do have covid protocols now but I have never went through a metal detector, never have had to put my items in a bin to go through an Xray. Heck I think I have only seen 3 va police over the number of years I have been going and they were actually helping an older vet who accidentally locked his keys in his truck. Again...I know there are many with terrible exp in some VAs that are in terrible shape and provide bad services...however I have been lucky so far. I guess being in the middle of nowhere has it's perks from time to time.

  • @onefodderunit
    @onefodderunit 3 года назад +187

    Police contempt for Americans is deadly.

    • @policestate4879
      @policestate4879 3 года назад +4

      "We thought they were White" by Walter White answers Who brought slaves to America. Wake up!

    • @onefodderunit
      @onefodderunit 3 года назад +3

      @@policestate4879
      Leaders of police train in Zionist Israel then come back and pervert the rank & file into seeing Americans as a nuisance population of suspected terrorists.

    • @beckyyoung2173
      @beckyyoung2173 3 года назад +3

      Literally. And this is where the Democrats really fucked up.
      They HAD everyone on board with Police Brutality, regardless of color...
      and they SAW that...
      and THAT was when they decided to USE IT as a way to DIVIDE the Country...
      BY RACE.
      Did you know that MORE WHITE PEOPLE are killed by Police than Blacks?
      It's true.
      And yet, look where we are now.

    • @cdreid99999
      @cdreid99999 3 года назад +3

      @@CHI-Town_WhiteBread f u traitor. Say your bullshit in public

    • @cousin_ifs_q_music5466
      @cousin_ifs_q_music5466 3 года назад

      @@cdreid99999 .. Watch Tom Macdonald. Fake woke.

  • @LadyDi49Diana2.0
    @LadyDi49Diana2.0 3 года назад +26

    End qualified immunity! End absolute immunity so that the DA can be charged and prosecuted with the officers that broke the law! Let the judicial system be held fully accountable just like we the people are!

  • @rickypage9879
    @rickypage9879 3 года назад +153

    The FBI needs to be cleaned out

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +18

      So does the CIA, DEA, FDA, and about 1000 other alphabet agencies that continue to add regulation upon regulation. Free??? Pffftt. Not with 10000s of bosses making law after law to enslave you. Free people don't need a permit (permission) for everything.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад

      @Ricky Page & r0xjo0: To do that would require lawfully revoking the Constitution and abolishing the Government. You sure you want to do that?

    • @beckyyoung2173
      @beckyyoung2173 3 года назад +3

      ABOLISHED. We don't need them anyway. Put all the resources at the disposal of local & state police instead. And give THEM the training they need, instead of putting it in the hands of a small, intolerant elite force used as a weapon against citizens, instead of working to protect them, the way they used to, that has no rules to what they can do, and can be used by the Govt for whatever they want to use it for.
      Also, GET POLITICIANS OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT!
      For example, WHY DO GOVERNORS HAVE CONTROL OF LOCAL POLICE?
      Or ... have control over what Police can & can't do for enforcing the law?
      Or ... have control over WHO gets hired as Police Captain, Police Commissioners, etc?
      Politicians shouldn't have ANY control over how law enforcement does it's job!

    • @Tom-hz9oc
      @Tom-hz9oc 3 года назад +5

      @@edwardmiessner6502 The FBI isn’t mentioned anywhere in the Constitution or in the Amendments. It was created by Congress and can be abolished by Congress.

    • @joshweickum
      @joshweickum 3 года назад

      I HIGHLY DISAGREE

  • @ardevenuta37
    @ardevenuta37 3 года назад +45

    Judges & prosecutor's should never have, no one, should have "absolute immunity."

  • @kidwave1
    @kidwave1 3 года назад +16

    The starkest and darkest statement I've ever heard @ 3:55 "He spent years in a deadly war, and suffered greater injuries from trying to visit the dentist at the VA!"
    Imagine signing up, and taking an oath, to fight for your country, to protect your fellow citizens and their way of life, knowing that it could possibly cost you your life, ...and THIS is the thanks you get, the treatment you're given! Sickening!
    And after having, just yesterday, watched this incredibly emotional story from a Veteran D-day soldier that was at Omaha Beach, I am disgusted! ruclips.net/video/5Zx3X08saO8/видео.html

  • @timmack2415
    @timmack2415 3 года назад +182

    "We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong. "

    • @flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577
      @flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577 3 года назад +2

      Nice we have the right to investigate ourselves.

    • @timmack2415
      @timmack2415 3 года назад +5

      @@flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577 Equal justice and accountibility?
      When I screw up, I think a bunch of my buddies should decide my fate.
      When I violate the law, or speed, or drive recklessly, they need to write a letter and complain to my friends.

    • @flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577
      @flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577 3 года назад +2

      @@timmack2415 well I don't think it is fair. It would be conflict of interest and an outsider should investigate. They claimed an exception because they are authority but in this case the video speaks for itself. We can say some laws are built to oppress a specific group of people. For instance doctors in rural areas were not hold to the national standards of care only local. In my opinion that was a way government protected themselves not only from negligence/ malpractice but maybe even experiments that were being done to the people. My point of view. In this case because they are authority it is the Plaintiff that would have to prove he didn't do anything to have the police commit battery on him. Jose was not given that opportunity because they knew he would automatically win.

    • @larrybond5258
      @larrybond5258 3 года назад +4

      @@flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577 guilty until proven innocent and you are NOT allowed to speak or put up any defense for yourself

    • @flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577
      @flowersfromh-evanlakshmi7577 3 года назад +3

      @@larrybond5258 yes you are right. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty

  • @patrickdecambra2219
    @patrickdecambra2219 3 года назад +32

    Abolish qualified immunity

  • @stealth48nurse
    @stealth48nurse 3 года назад +53

    Unfortunately we're going to see more of this

  • @copblocker4654
    @copblocker4654 3 года назад +62

    justice in the land of the "free" is non-existent

    • @ch1673
      @ch1673 3 года назад

      Cop blocker that's the coolest name ever thanks to your comment by the way it's also a very true statement

  • @skippylippy547
    @skippylippy547 3 года назад +49

    I don't understand why these federal agents felt the need to use force on this man?
    Is there anything that came out of the proceeding which details why these officers felt this man was a threat?
    Were there offending "words" exchanged?
    Surely there must be something that caused this escalation?
    We should all be very, very afraid. What stops these officers from doing this again?

    • @canucanoe2861
      @canucanoe2861 3 года назад +4

      I'm thinking he said to the cop something like, "ID? What are you, stupid? I just put my wallet in the bin."

    • @skippylippy547
      @skippylippy547 3 года назад +1

      @@canucanoe2861 Perhaps.
      But do you think that would warrant such a violent reaction? Something isn't quite right with this story. I'm thinking there must be more to this story than we are told.

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад

      Nothing.

    • @skippylippy547
      @skippylippy547 3 года назад

      @@babydriver8134 Nothing?

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 3 года назад +5

      @@skippylippy547
      Quote: What stops these officers from doing this again?
      Reply: Nothing.

  • @videomaniac108
    @videomaniac108 3 года назад +6

    Federal Law Enforcement: "We have investigated ourselves and have found that we did nothing wrong."

  • @ByRenegadeAngel
    @ByRenegadeAngel 3 года назад +40

    I LOVE USA ... so much freedom ...
    Disgusting

  • @lookingbehind6335
    @lookingbehind6335 3 года назад +54

    Since it’s almost impossible to beat any kind of LEO in a criminal court, you have no option but to go civil.
    He needs to go after their bonds.

    • @georgecraytin9838
      @georgecraytin9838 3 года назад +3

      They have immunity , What part of that do you not get.

    • @dwbertrand
      @dwbertrand 3 года назад +2

      @@georgecraytin9838 Did you view the video?

    • @georgecraytin9838
      @georgecraytin9838 3 года назад +3

      @@dwbertrand Yes and my question stands. You can not go after them because they have immunity from both legal and civil ramifications .As James Bond would say they have a license to kill

    • @jessewilson8676
      @jessewilson8676 3 года назад +3

      @@georgecraytin9838 give them a Covid injection of pB that they are not immune to.

    • @shootingbricks8554
      @shootingbricks8554 3 года назад +2

      Cops are all unionize. Unions protect bad cops.

  • @halldorhalldorsson3986
    @halldorhalldorsson3986 3 года назад +24

    What this tells me is that federal employees can always get scot-free after committing certain crimes!? Which again tells me, and justifiably so, that innocent victims of said crimes SHOULD take matters into their own hands and DISH OUT JUSTICE on the criminals!!!

    • @hudson8865
      @hudson8865 3 года назад +2

      Agreed

    • @TomOrman
      @TomOrman 3 года назад +2

      Sadly, that is what it seems to be coming to...

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад

      Not just the victims but any and all witnesses.

  • @markchip1
    @markchip1 3 года назад +25

    This has to be one of the most egregious and asinine abuses of authority I've ever seen on any RUclips channel!!!
    It's beyond words & I hope they get sued beyond bankruptcy!!!

    • @alb12345672
      @alb12345672 3 года назад +5

      Yes, assaulting innocent VETERANS? Even street thug criminals may think twice about that.

  • @dougdorrer4622
    @dougdorrer4622 3 года назад +6

    I hope he filed a Section 1983 action. Also the Supreme Court recently ruled on qualified immunity claims. Complainants no longer have to provide a precedence case. This will end up at SCOTUS.

  • @berniegiannoni4086
    @berniegiannoni4086 3 года назад +8

    This department has no respect for US veterans. What a disgrace

  • @notwoke22
    @notwoke22 3 года назад +13

    And we wonder why people don't trust cops? Come on, man.

  • @lanmarknetworking3034
    @lanmarknetworking3034 3 года назад +44

    The only thing left to do is the thing everyone claims to be against and can't talk about.

    • @mohamedsaleh5049
      @mohamedsaleh5049 3 года назад +3

      Yes

    • @mohamedsaleh5049
      @mohamedsaleh5049 3 года назад +2

      You fight fire with fire. Violence with violence. Terrorism with terrorism when justice is absent.

    • @lanmarknetworking3034
      @lanmarknetworking3034 3 года назад +1

      @@mohamedsaleh5049 but every group claims they abhor and decry violence... 😉 😉

    • @blazesona12
      @blazesona12 3 года назад +2

      violence and revolution....... such things should never mix but guess they should if anyone is going to fix the usa

    • @lanmarknetworking3034
      @lanmarknetworking3034 3 года назад +2

      @@blazesona12 have there ever been any successful "soft" revolutions???

  • @mourningwarbler
    @mourningwarbler 3 года назад +25

    Maybe his Senator could do something? Federal employees? Didn't they swear to uphold the Constitution? Isn't violating that oath perjury? Shouldn't their superiors take disciplinary action?

    • @regdornamerof7670
      @regdornamerof7670 3 года назад +2

      Unions control everything

    • @TomOrman
      @TomOrman 3 года назад +3

      In order: Probably not, Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes... But, sadly nothing will happen, in fact it will probably just get worse and worse...

    • @mourningwarbler
      @mourningwarbler 3 года назад +1

      @@TomOrman That's what we're all observing on every level.

  • @skysoldier1127
    @skysoldier1127 3 года назад +43

    Making a second post to this video I would say those law enforcement individuals at the VA should not only be held accountable, meaning they should lose their jobs with the VA but they should also be banned from holding any law enforcement position in the country. They should be ordered by a judge to provide a public apology to this gentleman and they should do at least 300 community service hours to learn some humility. Most law enforcement officers do the right thing but there is a growing number and that percentage is getting higher each year who are both mentally unfit to hold the position as a law enforcement officer and they feel not that they are above the law but they are the law themselves we need to hold these people accountable the VA is a mess all across the board and has been for decades. It's a good example of why the federal government should not be involved in healthcare.

    • @revenevan11
      @revenevan11 3 года назад +8

      It is a major problem that even when there is some small iota of accountability for a law enforcement officer and they, for example, get fired or something... they just get a job at another police department a few towns or a state over. It's disgusting and I agree that there needs to be a ban from people with certain kinds of behaviors or violations ever getting in such a position of authority again. Dangers to the public they're supposed to protect. I think it's much more common than you think though, but we both agree that the percentage is unfortunately growing who should NOT be in a law enforcement job.

    • @skysoldier1127
      @skysoldier1127 3 года назад +1

      @@revenevan11 being that we are speaking in general terms I would agree with your follow-up comment to my original post saying that I want people to understand I support law enforcement agencies completely because I understand that they themselves are under attack by a radical media lying political parties and a liberal establishment that is trying to demonize all law enforcement officers at local state and even Federal level they have a tremendously hard job to do one just like the military that very few people in our country are willing to do so let's ensure that when we discuss something like this we acknowledge that the vast majority of cops are doing the right things, thank you.

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +10

      They should serve jail time, just like any average person would do, if they brutally assaulted a person without cause.

    • @admthrawnuru
      @admthrawnuru 3 года назад +4

      @@skysoldier1127 the vast majority of the police look the other way when the bad officers do things like this. A sizable plurality regularly commit minor crimes such as simple battery and perjury. Police only have a hard job when they do it right (and it's not even close to the military if you mean actual deployment rather than cushy desk jobs), and I give them no credit when they fail to do this. As in this case, the internal investigation was clearly faulty, so where are the good cops?
      The liberal media lies about this because the government propoganda pushes the other way. It's not right if then to do that, but it doesn't excuse police misconduct, and you need to see through that.

    • @skysoldier1127
      @skysoldier1127 3 года назад

      @@admthrawnuru I have no idea what your background is I myself never served a day as a law enforcement officer but again for my previous posts as I explained I served over 25 years of the United States Army airborne paratrooper I understand there are times when in the military you do things that other people may view as not correct they may view as being harsh until you live in that reality you'll never understand or a person will never understand that you have to stick together. I do not support or advocate that anyone supports criminals who wear a badge, there are actions that a police officer can do that my mind turns them into a criminal and not a law enforcement officer I will stick with my original post that the vast majority of cops do the right thing and there are times when cops look the other way that goes back also to my above statement that there are times when you need to stick together even though others May view it as the wrong thing to do. It's easy standing on the outside telling people in law enforcement how wrong they are and how they need to do this or that. Until you walk in someone's shoes who puts their life at stake everyday when they conduct traffic stop, or engage someone in a criminal activity I ask that you not judge them. For those occasions when officers commit actual crimes while in the line of duty then I support 100% convicting those individuals but what the liberal media has shown in the past several years is they create a false agenda, the vast majority of shootings where you see an officer shooting an individual typically the media only shows them shooting a black individual they create a false agenda in a false narrative and when someone actually looks into what happened you see that stereotypically the police officer acted correctly. but you never see the final result because the media doesn't want you to see that they want you to only acknowledge white man bad, cop bad, the perpetrator actually gets turned into the victim when the media deals with it

  • @jjbud3124
    @jjbud3124 3 года назад +7

    This actually gives federal cops the absolute right to do anything they want to you with no fear of consequences. Gestapo anyone?

  • @missinglink7709
    @missinglink7709 3 года назад +17

    wow, they need to be put in jail and lose their jobs.

    • @JustMe-mg6vw
      @JustMe-mg6vw 3 года назад

      Lose their jobs and retirements. And be barred rom working anywhere in LE again.

  • @phackqu
    @phackqu 3 года назад +15

    Welcome to a police state, now survive !

  • @ramblinralph7609
    @ramblinralph7609 3 года назад +5

    THey need to fire the whole "security" staff at that facility and prosecute those "cops" who attacked that man.
    Where is the director of that facility? Who is in charge of that disgraceful hell hole? He/she should be sacked, too.

  • @seattlesix9953
    @seattlesix9953 3 года назад +23

    A different constitution based on geography sounds like what happens in third world countries

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад +1

      And the Supremes will resolve that issue on Bivens but probably not in the way that's favorable to us.

  • @azaguero8170
    @azaguero8170 3 года назад +5

    Of all the gall to claim “equal justice under the law” and then claim such a thing as qualified immunity-that is awful!

  • @lydiasinclair1126
    @lydiasinclair1126 3 года назад +2

    Any judges that actually apply immunity to officers or state actors that clearly abuse their authority. Because they know they will never be held accountable, should be ashamed. The level of corruption that has been exposed in the past 4 years has been disgusting. We as tax payers have no option but to pay to be abused. I can't just tell my employer not to deduct taxes from my payroll. Even as a business owner you could say no not sending any money to the government.. You would get locked up. So you are forced to pay your abusers and you have no way to hold them accountable. What a joke!! From the Supreme Court, FBI, CIA, local Judges, DA, Attorney General, Chief, Sheriff etc. All corrupt!!

  • @regdornamerof7670
    @regdornamerof7670 3 года назад +4

    Vet here I've been treated in Similar fashion by the VA for the past 15 years. Good luck with finding a lawyer to represent you against the federal government.

  • @greggthunderburg7294
    @greggthunderburg7294 3 года назад +6

    The federal courts aren't going to go after their own.

  • @NETWizzJbirk
    @NETWizzJbirk 3 года назад +9

    Wait a minute... the 5th circuit ruled on an appellate issue that wasn’t before the trial court? WTF? Talk about an activist court! Should have immediately ruled they don’t get to raise the issue on appeal regarding if federal officers can be sued because they didn’t bring it up in the trial court.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад +3

      They should have at least remanded it the way the Supremes do

  • @johndeesmith183
    @johndeesmith183 3 года назад +4

    Where was his fellow veterans ? I thought we had each other's back.... there should have been a goddamn riot !

  • @upaiaq
    @upaiaq 3 года назад +6

    This is scary!

  • @kittykat717
    @kittykat717 3 года назад +5

    Thank you for what you do and never ever stop.

  • @NETWizzJbirk
    @NETWizzJbirk 3 года назад +5

    Why doesn’t a prosecutor just prosecute these cops? If I were a prosecutor in that area, these cops would be looking at jail time with no plea offer

    • @5400bowen
      @5400bowen Год назад +1

      And that’s why you are NOT a prosecutor! They keep all honest sincere people OUT of any position of power.

  • @dennisd.cherrysr.3326
    @dennisd.cherrysr.3326 3 года назад +3

    Sue them under 18 USC 241 and 242 as they obviously conspired against him. They can't skirt around it. You can the WTF look on his face.

  • @axw016
    @axw016 3 года назад +7

    How is it possible that government can violate your rights with no consequence? That means there is nothing such as rights there are only privileges. Privileges that can be withdrawn by the state at any time. How did the land of the free and the home of the brave evolve to this point? Has tyranny been installed over decades by stealth? What ever happened to the bill of rights and the constitution? Did we loose these rights when America signed the treaty of Paris in 1875??

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +7

      "Has tyrrany been installed over decades by stealth".
      YEP, but to be totally honest, they haven't even been that stealthy. They are so powerful that they don't even try to hide it.

    • @axw016
      @axw016 3 года назад +4

      @@r0xjo0 America has been sold to the multi national corporations by the elected senators and representatives for their own personal gain.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад

      YEP, the tyranny started with The War Between the States. Lincoln should have just said, "Don't forget to close the screen door in your submarine!"
      Yes I do understand that they seceded to preserve their racist and *disgusting* 🤮 "peculiar institution"!!! But they eventually would have been required to give it up anyway if they wanted to be welcomed in the polite company of nations.

    • @5400bowen
      @5400bowen Год назад

      Russia won the Cold War.

  • @NGMonocrom
    @NGMonocrom 3 года назад +1

    As a Security Officer, I'm absolutely disgusted by their behavior. Clearly these individuals were no where remotely properly trained on how to do their jobs in an even mildly professional manner.

  • @davidgrossman7965
    @davidgrossman7965 3 года назад +4

    And why aren't you lawyers bringing bar complaints against prosecutors? Lawyers never answer this question.

    • @5400bowen
      @5400bowen Год назад

      Same as the cops, they never go after their own. Noam Chomsky said there is only enough dissent allowed in the US to give the appearance that dissent is allowed…is IJ part of the whole deception? Trying to make it appear that legal action against law enforcement is allowed? The depth of the deceit in this country has reached new lows.

  • @ghostshadow9046
    @ghostshadow9046 3 года назад +2

    Need to sue the department and the INDIVIDUAL officers and their supervisors.

  • @jackyandell2489
    @jackyandell2489 3 года назад +3

    Qualified Immunity must be dealt with, this is unjust and illegal. The 5th District Court is a joke.

  • @kitsiewr
    @kitsiewr 3 года назад +1

    They pulled this same trick -ripping out an arm socket- on a 73 yr old lady with dementia...a new fun trick of theirs.

  • @SABOARITI
    @SABOARITI 3 года назад +4

    Thanks for this information. It is disgusting that our rights are being violated with great frequency. This could happen in any VA hospital. Poor man.

  • @ianbattles7290
    @ianbattles7290 2 месяца назад +1

    Our rights aren't worth the paper they are written on *if cops are not held accountable for violating them.*

  • @donnafreedle5506
    @donnafreedle5506 3 года назад +4

    Yes the cops should be charged to the fullest extent, come on... he has protected our coutry when these guy were babies. No respect

  • @TheClearchoice18
    @TheClearchoice18 3 года назад +15

    We need to votto the immunity crap that they always use

  • @sherrienale9974
    @sherrienale9974 3 года назад +4

    Horrific...That man served the country and gets treated like this!! This makes me ill..The officers pictures need posted as a danger and public should stay clear of them if possible at the least

  • @upaiaq
    @upaiaq 3 года назад +13

    I guess if you live where the 5th circuit presides, all the local law enforcement have to do is send in the feds for illegal searches even if its out of their jurisdiction there are no consequences.

  • @sclark3097
    @sclark3097 3 года назад +5

    How much is this going to cost the tax payers isn't it time the police should pay the law suit s since it's them that are breaking the law.

  • @cmcer1995
    @cmcer1995 3 года назад +1

    I wrote my Rep Lamborn about this assault demanding something be done to these thugs that assaulted him. I was appalled by their behaviors. After being in law enforcement for over 12-years and being a Vietnam Vet I could not believe my eyes. I am trusting the Lamborn is following-up on this and that the individuals will receive maximum punishment. That is an assault on the elderly, and second degree assault, and unlawful arrest. I wrote Lamborn just last month. Nail these Thugs too the wall.

  • @charliepiland3285
    @charliepiland3285 3 года назад +4

    So the highest level of law enforcement actually has the lowest requirement to actually follow the Constitution? Wow, only in America!

  • @michaelbradley7529
    @michaelbradley7529 3 года назад +2

    Well this video was more depressing than expected. My take away from this is the judicial system in this country is broken especially when it comes to protecting the rights of it's citizens vs the government.

  • @OldWalkingCrow
    @OldWalkingCrow 3 года назад +4

    How is it possible that courts can circumvent the clearly stated intent of the Declaration of Independence which describes rights as being unalienable? To arrive at a position that carves out exclusions for any group and especially government agents is evidently contrary to the nation's founding document. Qualified Immunity appears to directly contradict the documented reason for the United States to exist.

    • @5400bowen
      @5400bowen Год назад

      It’s all in the book “Animal Farm”. It’s also strewn across history repeatedly.

  • @mtw1234
    @mtw1234 3 года назад +1

    This is absolutely ridiculous. I thought we lived in the United States!

  • @mafosa8519
    @mafosa8519 3 года назад +3

    This made my blood boil!!!!!
    We need to rework the entire justice system!!
    Larry

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад

      Not just the whole justice system but the whole entire system in general!

  • @DallasBryant-rw1oh
    @DallasBryant-rw1oh 3 года назад +1

    They should be charged with attempted murder & put in prison!!!!!!! 777

  • @stevejh69
    @stevejh69 3 года назад +4

    Qualified immunity has to go. But regardless these crooks faces and names need to be published. Some crazy will deal with them.

  • @lizzsaubert7046
    @lizzsaubert7046 3 года назад +1

    Why should federal officers be allowed to violate your rights. That is just wrong!!

  • @robertbutler8004
    @robertbutler8004 3 года назад +2

    It's a pity that a lot of US lawyers do not adopt a no win no pay system for those that can't pay upfront.

  • @roomwithapointofview
    @roomwithapointofview 3 года назад +2

    The courts believe and argue they are above the law and cannot be sued?
    It's no wonder the U.S. is losing it's mind. Cognitive dissonance.
    Built upon the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but the courts believe that grievous behaviour against the people by the state grants the state more rights than the people, mired in Qualified Immunity.
    The fact that constitutional rights and qualified immunity exist in the same place is asking for corruption and failure.

  • @Tom_Losh
    @Tom_Losh 3 года назад +3

    "People in the United States are now in more danger from their law enforcement than they are from any foreign army. THIS MUST STOP! It is up to us to stop it."
    --Tomas

  • @bkub1234
    @bkub1234 3 года назад +1

    70 years old VETERAN gets his ass kicked on his way to a dentist appointment for no reason. Prosecutor refuses to do his job. Legal system really needs to be upgraded! Thank you for your service Sir and keep fighting!

  • @AMERICANPATRIOT1945
    @AMERICANPATRIOT1945 3 года назад +3

    It is time for We The People to force an end to qualified immunity for government officials when they abuse their powers.

  • @chuert85
    @chuert85 3 года назад +1

    No one who have faithfully served their country should ever assume they will be beaten at a VA hospital.

  • @bobreil7464
    @bobreil7464 3 года назад +1

    The fact that these were Federal officers assaulting an American hero is disgusting the only thing that makes this worse is that the agents in question suffered no repercussions for their actions thereby telling them that assaulting a 70-year-old disabled veteran is perfectly acceptable is that the message we want to send.

  • @law4nyc
    @law4nyc 3 года назад +7

    I thought the US Constitution was put in place SPECIFICALLY to protect people from the FEDERAL Gov't. The 14th amendment then added the protections from actions by the States. I guess I am all wrong and need to start packing.

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +7

      They have violated the constitution time and time again. Time to take matters into our own hands, since they are so thoroughly corrupt that even the courts won't help.

    • @kidwave1
      @kidwave1 3 года назад +3

      Just as George W Bush said, about the Constitution, "its just a piece of paper".
      The Constitution IS, and HAS ALWAYS BEEN a total deception. It was created by the elite, to fool us that we were free and have rights, but was only meant to have "legitimacy" until it wasnt needed anymore, at which time it would no longer be followed, WHICH IS NOW! Listen up folks, you are NOT in LOCKDOWN, ...YOU ARE LOCKED UP!

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +3

      @@kidwave1 The real shit of it, is how indoctrinated people are. They not only tolerate it, but will violently defend their masters. Most people have no clue they are enslaved, you couldn't convince them if you tried, and even if you could convince them, they wouldn't mind. They are just happy to get their daily dose of FDA approved mcdonalds, followed by a weekend binge session of Netflix propofanda entertainment.

    • @ipsurvivor
      @ipsurvivor 3 года назад

      Congress is the one that limits causes of actions against federal officers. There is no cause of action for the specific claims he made. The Supreme Court has limited the judicially crafted “Bivens” action to only a few claims.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 3 года назад

      They've been violating the Constitution ever since the War Between the States. Had the Confederates stopped their transatlantic slave trade the UK would have intervened and we'd be a smaller nation today.

  • @mikhellen3267
    @mikhellen3267 3 года назад +2

    ALL security at V.A.hospitals should be former servicemen. A nice kick to the head of these officers while they are down sounds wonderful.

  • @DavNicWil
    @DavNicWil 3 года назад +3

    Get rid of the “Qualified Immunity” , problem solved !!!!
    Need to get a petition signed and sent to Supreme Court to quash the Qualified Immunity statute and start upholding the CONSTITUTION of the United States which all of the local, state AND federal employees took an oath to uphold !!!!

  • @lindac6416
    @lindac6416 Год назад

    Thank you for this !

  • @chrismichael1841
    @chrismichael1841 3 года назад +3

    If that happened to me and they got off Scott free, these want to be cops would find out what cowboy justice is

  • @matthewgalati1870
    @matthewgalati1870 3 года назад +2

    Nice way to help our Veterans to overcome PTSD!!!! Nobody should work for the VA unless they are themselves a Veteran and understand Veterans.

  • @steveriley5610
    @steveriley5610 3 года назад +3

    I come from a long line of Vigilantes! Time to take matters into our own hands!

  • @edwardspan396
    @edwardspan396 3 года назад +1

    Immunity, they claim that there was nothing wrong with what they had done.

  • @alexs470
    @alexs470 3 года назад +3

    Wow so how are we free again...

  • @MexicoAdventurer
    @MexicoAdventurer Год назад +2

    That says it all... the United States told Jose he assumed the risk of being beaten just by visiting the VA. And the VA is treating this case as they would a disability claim, as they go down a winding twisty highway where you must prove every step and they still deny you.

  • @freechurchpress3571
    @freechurchpress3571 3 года назад +9

    Stop being a U.S. citizen... There is no remedy as such. They wrote the rules to beat you all day. Start revoking signatures off of all their contracts. Give them back their privileges.

  • @cajunncanada3913
    @cajunncanada3913 3 года назад +1

    This is part of the problem that exists with justice in the US. Immunity for certain government actors, inconsistent application of constitutional law and a system filled with tyrants who know they can get away with pretty much anything. Serious reform at all levels need to be undertaken.

  • @MissionaryInMexico
    @MissionaryInMexico 3 года назад +3

    The VA tried to murder me twice, I have no trust in them. I befriended a VA police officer 7 years ago because he was a Christian. But, 2 years ago he started sharing what we talked about to my primary care doctor. I broke from him, and have been suffering greatly at the hands of my primary care doctor. If I was not a disabled vet, I would have NOTHING to do with them. The doctor called me a "liar" and started acting very, very stupidly toward me so I'm in process of finding a civil rights attorney. No luck yet.

  • @flick22601
    @flick22601 3 года назад +2

    Qualified immunity isn't even a law. The Supreme Court came up with it without even ruling in a case nor did they write up the basis of their decision. The Constitution forbids the court from making laws. That is the function of the Legislature. So, I ask, where are the checks and balances.

  • @Stonegoal
    @Stonegoal 3 года назад +8

    1984

  • @miepski
    @miepski 3 года назад +2

    Those officers acted like professional thugs. They should be persecuted as such.

  • @skylee5029
    @skylee5029 3 года назад +8

    Socialized Healthcare for all!

    • @r0xjo0
      @r0xjo0 3 года назад +6

      Uh, no. Government ruins everything. Get them completely out of Healthcare. Make it 100% free market, and see prices drop. Too many regulations drive up prices. Socialized hc will only add other problems like piss poor service, and major wait times.

    • @susannahwhite7561
      @susannahwhite7561 3 года назад +2

      @@r0xjo0 Truth!

    • @phillygirl52jax44
      @phillygirl52jax44 3 года назад +1

      No thanks to Socialized Healthcare.

    • @annegonzalez7939
      @annegonzalez7939 3 года назад

      This must change.

    • @rightsdontcomewithpermits7073
      @rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 3 года назад +1

      @@r0xjo0 only if it is free market for everyone. No one should have social Healthcare in that case.

  • @writereducator
    @writereducator 3 года назад +1

    Wait! If Federal officers are absolutely immune from violating Constitutional rights, then we are DOOMED.

  • @KidCity1985
    @KidCity1985 3 года назад +4

    I would like to hear their side, what was their motivation? This is crazy.

    • @nco_gets_it
      @nco_gets_it 3 года назад +5

      Frankly, I don't care what their motivation was. Fire them. Fire their bosses. Fire the VA facility security chief, administrator, and staff.

    • @KidCity1985
      @KidCity1985 3 года назад +1

      @@nco_gets_it you aren't curious? I sure am. I'd like that never to happen to me

  • @Sarge395
    @Sarge395 3 года назад +1

    Government investigated themselves and....no consequences. And if the veteran was not charged with anything why was he assaulted and battered?

  • @majestystudio3567
    @majestystudio3567 3 года назад +3

    American officers need proper training, we still love our men in and out of uniforms

    • @AaronHorrocks
      @AaronHorrocks 3 года назад

      This is not a matter of training. You can not fix this with training.