Adding HUGE Tires to Our Hummer EV Is SHOCKINGLY Expensive! But Do They Make It Better or Worse?
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The $195 technicians fee for them to learn how to perform their job should NEVER be a cost paid for by the customer. I would have fought that fee. I learned this by watching a YAA video on RUclips.
when GM has the benefit of putting out a Hummer dealership and every part of the country, I really feel it's on them to figure out how to get them properly trained. trained. I'm not for you to have to subsidize whether they're staff. anywhere you go in the country is probably trained to help you do this. you should definitely fight that. fee
@@salocin911 💯
Agreed 💯
Exactly what he said. 💯 That's ridiculous 😒 🙄
While I agree with you, we pay "professional fees" all the time. When you hire a lawyer, for example, part of your payment goes to pay off his or her student loan debt and any other professional classes taken. I *would* prefer they instead increase the price of everything slightly and not actually put a line item stating that you're paying for them to learn how to do it as well!!! 😂
I can't believe the dealership charged you to call the GM techline so they could figure out how to perform factory approved service/upgrades on the vehicle. That's on them if they don't know. I wouldn't have paid the $195.00. Did they want ya to pay the mechanic's tech school tuition too?
thats what happens when you go to the dealer.
The GM shakedown, they love making fees from not knowing how to do their job.
I don't know if this is relevant, but I come from electric RC airplanes. When you overprop a motor it will try to spin the motor up to RPM come hell or high water. If that means pulling so much juice that it fries your speed controller, electronics that control your motor, that's what its going to do. Bigger prop means its going to draw more current, might be bigger tires means that the motor on your hummer is going to draw more current then the engineers planned.
@@jeffk464 I'm sure you're right, but that doesn't mean the dealership should pass that techline fee onto the customer. Especially since it's advertised as being capable from factory to do it. Now that the dealership knows how to do it, they don't need to call the techline anymore to do the service. Essentially TFL paid for the mechanics continuing education
Indeed - this is out of line! It makes us not want to go back to this dealership.
$200 in fees because they didn't know how to do their job GM/Chevy are a joke 🤣🤣🤣
Literally, professionals shouldn’t charge you for a consultation when they don’t know how to do their job.
Right? That was ridiculous
Probably because it's there first time doing it,,if it was (professional)they would love had to send it back to were they built it🤔
@@CAPSTONE. doesn't matter they need to learn how to do it. It's not the customers fault there shouldn't be a learning fee
@@theblunden2 bruh gm probably thought ,,anyone was gonna hardly buy it that's y,,,they probably like just wait for awhile and c what happens 🤷♂️
New wheel setup looks 👌 gold/bronze color looks good on the white Hummer
Those look so much better for the size of the truck. They need to have those as an option right from the dealer so you aren't having to pay for them to learn how to code.
Yes, we think the new Hummer EV Edition 1 should come with 37s directly from the get go.
The rims should be larger too, for that cool concept sketch look.
$40 a sensor for TPMS is pretty cheap for dealer cost, but they could have moved the original ones to the new wheels.
Any one who wants the old wheels will need the sensors. Might as well keep them together.
bolt in ones can, some are attached to the rubber schraeder valves and have to be replaced when the valve is replaced. it depends which type yopu have
@@jamesengland7461 Anyone buying used wheels pretty much should expect to buy or supply their own sensors, they gotta be programmed anyway.
@@justintarvid Some makes and models will auto learn sensors. They just need to be the correct frequency and be compatible. Simply drive and the vehicle will learn the sensors in a few miles.
We kept the old wheels and tires intact.
$195 for the tech to call a tech and they pass that onto the customer. Shame on the GM dealer
Agreed!
When I got my Ridge Grapplers this past summer they were over $400 a piece. Multiply that by five tires, add tax and mount and balance... ouch.
Those BFG Mud terrains looks really good, but will be slick on wet/icy/snowy roads since they don't have any sipes. Might be a cool video to show how siping is done and have the new tires siped! You could do a before and after performance test on wet//icy/snow roads to show the difference.
they are too soft, i wouldn't sipe BFG MT's.
Wait... So because the dealership wasn't properly trained and had to call Techline, they charged you for that? That's BS. I was a Nissan Master Tech for 4 years and NEVER charged any customers for having to call my tech support. I even had engineers come to the dealership and look at cars without charging the customer. As the dealer tech, it's MY responsibility to know the product I'm working on. If I need to be educated, that's at my (the dealership's) expense.
100 percent! 💯
Agreed! This is insane. I wouldn’t have paid that!
Wheel/tire combination looks amazing... but the lack of negotiation on that fee is just painful, dealership shouldn't be passing that fee down to the customers
I'd love to see an efficiency/acceleration test with a street tire swap.
Love that you guys are doing real transparent cost of vehicles 👍👍
Those things look amazing, I've never really liked the looks of the original rim's and tires on that hummer
Re-Programming Fee = Another way to steal your money.
5k for wheels and tires. Let that sink in.
That’s pretty much standard for trucks. Forged wheels and name brand tires.
It's a writeoff for them.
I work at a Ford dealership in Southern California. I'm the tech who would perform that type of programming. Normally, I would charge a flat $210.00 programming fee. I can contact Ford technical line anytime for no charge to me or the customer. The interesting issue is, most late model Fords and other car/truck manufactures will no longer allow reprogramming the ABS computer for a larger tire size. This is because it can negatively affect emissions since EPA measures emissions in grams per mile.
Off topic question Alan - maybe you can IM me off line. About a PowerBoost and how long I can reasonably expect to have it last ie how many miles, assuming I drive a HUGE amount each year. What is the best F150 powerplant/config for true 250K miles! Thanks.
I'd hate to be the mechanic responsible for putting a 10,000 pound SUV on a lift. Bravery
alignment rack can handle it. if they have a pit at least.
Great video! Could you guys do a decibel comparison from the factory tires to the new 37s? Stands to reason with that tread pattern, the new tires are making more noise than the old ones, but how much would be interesting to know. Thanks!
We will!
Tires look good but they will be a little slick on snow and ice.
MTs are good for deep snow but light snow and rain are definite weaknesses. I chose Ridge Grapplers because they're basically a super aggressive AT tire. Not quite 3 peak mountain snow rated but have a good amount of sipping for snow and rain.
looks spectacular much better with the 37's...nt wait for the test result. Thanks guys great videos..
Thanks for the info! Glad to see y’all got a same size spare!
Heck yea!
Wheel and tyres look great but I would have thought that all terrains with the 3peak rating would have been better for your needs and possibly be better on range than the M/T's will be interesting to see what effect they have on the range over the 35 stock tyres.
Not gonna lie the fee you get charged because the local tech doesn’t know how to do it seems a bit wrong to me if you take a gmc product to a gmc service center😅
Looks good but charging you a fee because they had to call someone because they didn’t know how to program a vehicle they sold you is some bs in my opinion
time for aux pump and tank for the suspension. Maybe an auxiliary fan on the pump would do it? a pair of spal fans
Looks really good on 37's I can't wait to see how much better it performs off road!!!
What is the app you are using to measure speed and altitude? I have 37’s on my 2017 Ford F250 Black Ops Edition, but I’m wondering how accurate my speedometer is reading with the bigger tires.
Lets see you use that spare and change a tire when you go back to Moab..😁
An unfortunate bounce is all it takes
What happened to the old tires and rims .... Did the dealer keep them??
We kept them.
Love that BF Goodrich gave you the tire's. Now your ready for the mud at the Ranch.
Other than some YT reviewers, these will never be in the dirt. Like the original Hummer, it's only purpose is driving around to be noticed.
Happy Monday ...HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
There are a bunch of guys with 37’s already, even one on 38’s. Can’t wait to swap mine out.
Did you get an extra rim and tire for back up when you get a flat / spear ?
Did you keep the old "like new rims and tyers" ?
Hello, WHY new rubber? wont larger mean less range for battery?
It's raided for it,,with new update
He explained that they had clearance issues in Moab. They wanted to see if it helps much. It's not about the range etc.
Looks way better than standard.
Do you think you will get wheel well rub when the tires articulate?
I’m curious how much more these wheels/tires weigh compared to the stock! Load range E are very beefy tires.
What gps app do you have? Anyone recommend one for phone use?
what was difference in watts per mile ? from the 35"s .
the next day... wow, I had 37's on my H2 in about 30 minutes including the spare. only gain a little over 1" in ride height with 37's but they look better.
Im surprised the rails for the spare, arent mounted towards the back, and have some sort of a slider mechanism... I mean if you're already taking up half th ebed with the frame, why not have it go the long way...
Also 37s just give you an inch lift... not sure it's worth the 5K+ price tag
Looks good! If your worried about cost why did you change the wheels? Tires would be the same for any vehicle. Can other vehicles even be recalibrated to correct for tire size?
Calibrating for the correct size tires can be done for any vehicle. It may require a dealer to do the reprogram.
@@wade7959 Not any vehicle. Ford couldn't/didn't want to do it on mine.
Don't expect a dealer to do this, you may have to search for alternatives.
Who said they were worried? They simply told us what the costs were. Tires and wheels were given to them.
Rhe original wheels cost more to replace if damaged. When they sell the hummer back they'll have non scratched up original equipment. So they don't have to worry about them when they go off road. 1 is already scratched
because this vehicle has Ride adjustable air suspension. and crap walk and so many other adjustments that the computer would need to know. when I suggesting the height I think that it probably would have to be calibrated if there's going to be new wheels and tires
Looks amazing.
Could you explain the air suspension in more detail? We’re you raising and lowering the truck over and over? Why not leave it raised? Or does leaving it raised overheat the compressor?
Watch the Moab video.
@@bonustimeslots I did. They didn’t specifically say.
Leaving it fully raised leaves essentially no travel in the suspension. So at max extract mode the ride is super stiff.
This car wrapped in a desert tan color with those Wheels would look freaking amazing
What if you did the reverse and put on a more EV friendly Low Rolling Resistant tires on the Hummer, would it improve the range and if so by how much?
Hope you guys kept the 35’s, so that you can resell them.
We kept them in case we want to put them back.
@@TFLEV - The Hummer Looks really good with the 37’s and the Rims… would say that is the way to go.
$195 to call GM and ask a question?
Is that the dealer ripping you off or is that reflective of GM charging their own dealers for tech support?
Not a good look either way, and makes me think that buying a GM product in its first 2-3 years of product cycle could be a very expensive mistake.
It's just going to get worse - they all are now charging to use certain options!
I won’t buy a GM. Just another reason right here.
Very cool! Looks great. Can I have your old tires? Lol
Guy in Indiana put 26inch forgiatos on his not sure what tire size he went with though looked good though. I love these EV mods!
Awesome upgrade, glad GM gave you guys that credit.
You would think GM would have waived the Tech fee. HAHA. & those wheels are pricey. Considering BFG took care of you, GM should have as well. Great review!, especially on something that very very few will ever own or drive. Looking forward to the next review from you all
Need to have the matching 5th wheel though something tells me it won't fit.
The new fitment fills out the wheel well nicely.
The spare tire carrier can fit a 37" tire. It was designed that way, just like the truck.
Did you watch the video? We put the new 37-inch BFG onto the spare wheel and mounted it back inside the bed.
It looks so badass
wish i could see a side by side comparison...i am watching this video and looking at my hummer ev outside and i am not seeing the "oh my gosh i need to get 37s", when they need to replaced. I certainly like the idea of a bigger tire, i just can't get that wow factor. Rims are sweet.
Cant wait untill i get one
Someone needs to make a custom Cartier for the spare. The old H2 had it and it even protected the vehicle backing up.
Could you have taken it to an independent tire shop or are you stuck going to the dealer?The programming and tech consulting fee sounds like a rip off tbh.
Tire look matches truck well, but I wonder if 39" will be next? How big a tire is too big?
Thought you were talking about the range loss.
Then you should definitely do an off-roading video with those new 37s
Is there before and after pics?
What altimeter app are you using?
It's an older version of that App.
Did you guys measure ride height before and after?
Rolling radius would be informative.
Well they went from 35 to 37 so I’m going to go out on a limb and say it went up 1 inch. They didn’t do a lift.
@@pryme2013 Recalibrating the suspension to keep from bottoming out on the wheel probably added close to another inch...to the minimum height. Basically, they gained an inch of lift at the top and lost two inches of drop at the bottom.
No, since the truck has heigh-adjustable air suspension.
@@TFLEV But is the ride height the same? or did the 37's lift it almost an inch?
Looks great!!!! Really beefy..
Just think after a year or two how much that compressor is gonna have to work. Living in Montana and working in the Auto Parts industry, I see a lot of failed compressors during the winter due to the compressor getting hot then creating condensation inside and then that freezes. Then they fail in the summer due to the hot weather. I wish they would go back to the shock and strut. Air on an every day driver is just asking for failure.
Would have been MUCH more interesting to switch to slightly smaller all-seasons and tested how much efficiency and range increased.
Interesting maybe but it would look terrible
I don't think it's fair to pass on the technician fee, and maybe also the reprogram fee.
It does look good through. Should have weighed one wheel+tire before mounting
Technician fee is pretty common when they have to spend time to consult with the manufacturer same with reprograming or flashing.
@@fastfreeks commonly bushit*
@@andrewsbbq Do you own an automotive shop or dealership or work at one?
@@fastfreeks I understand what is a fair cost to relay to the customer. Calling the help line to service a product from the same manufacturer should not be a customer cost to bare. Should the dealership be compensated for that time, the manufacturer should reimburse, similar to recalls
@@andrewsbbq If you think that's bad imagine being a technician and having to supply your own tools generally have to be grade A tools as well (name brand). Techs don't get paid very much and the business doesn't supply tools (maybe some specialty tools) but the tech has to have 50k in tools to even apply for a job at most shops, some of the toolboxes cost 30k+. I would still like to see a sit down with a dealership and an independent shop as well as a couple techs and get their side of the story. They also got $2,500 in credit from GM so the dealer probably didn't get any money from the wheels or maybe they did. Manufactures don't work as closely with dealers as one might assume. Also some of the software/hardware that shops have to purchase can be in the thousands.
I’m (4:00) into the video and it DEFINITELY LOOKS RIGHT!?!😳👍🏻🇺🇸
Ok. Now change the tire. At the ranch. In the dirt. How many hernia operations for the TFL boys will it take to change the tire on a Hummer EV?
Those are a good looking wheel. They look much better than the stock wheels. And I think the 37’s are a good look proportionally with the style, size and shape of the Hummer. Looks like a good fit.
But. Dang, those are huge tires and wheels!
cool. One of the 1,000,000 advantages of a 4x4 EV is not needing a $4,000 differential (front / rear) re-gear to keep your power RPM speed with bigger tires. Also cool you don’t need to have lockers . Also cool no fumbling with 2H / 4H / 4L t case like a caveman.
I made it into a TFL video @7:45
I wish you made a before and after photo shhot out for us to see the difference with our own eyes 😉
Love it. Why not put 50’s on it though?
They sure won't fit with this stock suspension.
GM should have got the hummer EV on 37s from the market
Gm needs to figure where to put the spare!
I could tell theme where to put a Tech Fee. They make YOU pay them for their learning!! I bet they nail the next 30 Hummers that come in for the same work!! 😂😂. Fees for everything. Not every dealership is like this though,,,,. Fortunately.
so basically its a $5k upgrade to get a couple of more inches of ground clearance. I think my last rough country wrangler 1.75" lift cost me $179 and a few hours of labor.
It's not a couple inches though. They went from 35 to 37s. Only 1 in of that is below the axle the other is above the axle not adding any kind of lift.
If the Hummer EV is already almost more expensive to run than the original Hummer, now imagine with such a big tires.
what's the basis of your claim, that the EV is almost more expensive than the original one to run?
@@USUG0 exactly. Check how much is spent to charge it on a supercharger, it efficiency, plus other expendable items as tires ans suspension part. Add in the more complexity to service and repair.
@@RogerM88 I dont think people are buying a 100k hummer expecting it to be cheap to run....
@@RogerM88 A 2022 hummer V8 would cost as much as the EV in any aspect (the new ford raptor is priced well above 100k). With the difference that it gets 30-50mpge vs 10-15mpg of the V8. And thus, probably cheaper to recharge on fastchargers than refueling the V8. Surely much cheaper, if you do it at home.
@@USUG0 don't use mpge. Use miles per KWH. Hummer EV gets 1.5m per kwh. So to go 100 miles it uses 66Kw. Prices vary but right now we are looking at around 32 cents per kwh. That gives you $21 to go 100 miles. If it were gas getting 20mpg, we would have to be over $4 a gallon. This thing is the biggest gas guzzler of the EV world.
Lol @ first to have 37s on one. There has been plenty with 38s on the forums
Ouch, those tire sell on 4WP for ~$550ea, so $2750+$3146=$5896 😮
now that's the best off-roader money can buy, those tires were holding the hummer back.
3K and not even the cost of tires.....
I remember watching a Model S drag race channel that would put taller rims / tires to improve their 1/4 mile time. I would assume the same would apply here.
It's the opposite actually. Smaller overall diameter increases acceleration and decreases top speed.
@@aussie2uGA Yes, from a total gear ratio standpoint of course. I think it had to do with the fact that the electric motors have so much torque they can't effectively put all of it down off the line so they increase tire and wheel height to gain traction off the start and top speed at the finish line.
I think you are on to something, with the MONSTER torque available I am guessing it will post a better time.
Theres a guy with a trx that has a smaller set of tires for racing too
You swapped out 4 tires, with 37's, but you left the spare tire OEM rim! You should've swapped that out in the bed tire as well. Looks odd. Great channels.
You should put that tank on 44’s.
11 minute vid that could have been 60 seconds, lol! Wake me up when you're back in Moab. :D
Wait… the dealer charged you to send a technician to service school 🤣
Yes - not good!
They gave you a scuffed up wheel lol
It cost just as much as any other car to put tires on. You just wanted new wheels which required new sensors and if you didn't want to pay for the recalibration all you had to do was read the owners manual it tells you how to " recalibrate " the system the bigger tires size in the settings on the center display.
What sensors be you talking about? TPMS can be moved from wheel to wheel.
@@justintarvid true but if you want to be able to swap the wheels back and forth without changing sensors it's easier to get new ones. Like having a set of winter beaters
But even the dealer tech didn't know how to do that.
@@ThunderCat19D I didn't get the impression they were gonna be swapping wheels. Maybe when they sell it.
@James England they knew just wanted to charge.
BFGoodrich are always smaller then they say. That “37” is more of a 35.5”. Go with TOYO or NITTO if you want a true 37”
Did you have to lower the truck to get it out of the workshop?
Beast
Considering the wheels our a GMC part the consultant fee seems WRONG
I’m surprised that they didn’t or don’t have a fix for the air compressor. That price tag ~5.5k to off-road in that type of car seems totally unacceptable especially since it’s not a cheap car
Those bfg’s are $600 per tire. I definitely wish they were $400. So just add another mellow 3k for tires.
Load Range E means nothing. Use the number rating. I have seen E from 117 up to 126. The ones you got are load rating 123. There is a better one with load rating 128. I only run the 126 or greater on my Ram 2500. I tow heavy with mine. And that is something you cannot do.
definitely more proportionate