Hey Dave, we talked a bit on the FB Group. I had a P15K. Hated it. Your P18 is in seriously sanitary shape. I'm still a Capri 18 fan, but yours is surely a gem.
Many thanks!! From what I’ve heard from people who have sailed both the Catalina and the Precision…the Capri 18 has a more solid feel. Which totally makes sense given the 75 lbs more ballast, slightly deeper wing keel and a lower sail area to displacement (SA/disp) ratio. Since I trailer to some pretty remote places with primitive ramps, I think the lower draft Precision 18 was the right boat for me. Would love to try out a Capri 18 one day though!! ⛵️
The O’Day 192 is another really great small boat. I’m such a big fan of the whole 17’-19’ class of trailerable sailboats…so many options. It’s a very versatile and fun size. Happy sailing… ⛵️
That's a fine looking boat, and big features for 18'. Been looking at similar-sized skiffs and Welsfords, a cabin like that would make all the difference.
I'm loving your content on the P18 Dave. I'm just getting into sailing and researching trailer sailors. Your videos on rigging, reefing, and sailing your beautiful boat have been a huge help. Thank you!
My Dad owned a P18 as well as 2 P21's (At different times, not at the same time, LOL) and a P23. They are well built, well designed little cruisers with some creative and clever design elements. He added extra ballast in the form of lead plugs in the keel area to make them a bit stiffer (more stable) to sail, which he did single handed most of the time. I do wish they would figure out a better main sheet system!
Nice little boat! I just upgraded from a Catalina 14.2 dinghy to a Catalina 22 swing keel for lake sailing with my young children. If I knew this boat existed, I probably would have chosen it over the Catalina 22! Perfect size for day sailing with the family and easy trailering without a large truck.
There’s actually a really nice group of boats of this size with similar characteristics including the Catalina Capri 18, Potter 19, Sannibel 18, Voyager 20, Montgomery 17 and Sage 17. But, there’s a reason why Catalina has sold over 15,000 Catalina 22s!
I like that the mast doesn't go through the cabin and the keel contains the daggerboard.i hope it's as strong as the traditional setup I can imagine how the cabin would be with the new blunt bow designs and a shroud free junk rigged sail
The very earliest P-21s (circa late 1980s) had an issue with the cabin roof sagging because it was too wide for the amount of structural support it had underneath. Issue was identified and Precision sent an additional steel roof support beam to affected owners (unfortunately, too late for some boats which developed cracks above the hatchway). The P-21 design was changed and future boats had a beefed up cabin roof and bulkheads. The P-18s are a bit more compact and have not had this issue.
Great review, thanks. Former owner of a Wayfarer 16, Precision 21, and now with a Com-Pac Eclipse 21. All great boats, but still wondering if the P18 may not be THE perfect sailboat!
Funny…I’ve long felt the Precision 21 is probably the “perfect” boat. More comfortable and larger cabin than a P18, but still small enough to trailer and launch easily!
It depends on the age and condition. A 1980s boat in good condition can be found for US $4,000-$6,000. The 2010 or newer boats are generally $9,000-$13,000.
Good boat but my only gripes with the design is small sail area and the water line could be longer. I really like the anchor locker ! The uncluttered cabin looks practical.
Actually, I would argue she is over canvassed for her size. The more important measure than just total sail area is the sail area to displacement (SA/disp) ratio. The Precision 18 has a high SA/disp ratio of 21.81. For comparison, the popular Catalina 22 has a SA/disp ratio of 19.8…the Potter 19 is only 16.1. This makes the P18 an excellent light-air performer…but she needs to be reefed early as the winds pick up.
I like your channel because I just bought a used P-21. I had it out in 10-15 kt winds and was surprised how it heeled over more than I expected with the full mainsail deployed. I'm still learning about sailing in general so i look forward to more of your videos.@@ColoradoSailing
@@joecraven2034 Thanks! Yes, all the Precision boats are typically a bit lighter than other boats of the same length and have a lot of sail area for their displacement (high SA/disp ratio). So they typically need to be reefed early and/or crew weight on the boat needs to be moved out to the rail. It also helps to really tighten the outhaul, halyards and backstay to get those sails as flat as possible. Pulling the centerboard fully up will also reduce heel by about 5 degrees. I’ve sailed my P-18 in 30 kts with a double reef and 80% jib…so they are capable boats when properly canvassed for the conditions.
Many of the same reasons I got a 2006 P-18. Appreciate your videos. One concern: sinking. While I learned from your more recent videos options to prevent capsizing and getting water into the cabin, etc, I am wondering if you have found any options for enhancing its floatation once (heaven help us) we are flooded. Such as: a sealed storage box that can be efficiently used in the starboard stern lazarette along with sealing its hatch to retard water in-flow, etc.?. Thanks again!
I did create a seal for my starboard locker to prevent water entry. I also carry a Nebulus floatation device which is a self-inflating life raft that provides 1,000 lbs of floatation. Although, if the boat was sinking, I’d probably use the life raft to save myself and any crew over the boat. I’ve been in some pretty high winds and I’ve never felt worried about capsizing or sinking. Just need to keep your wits about you. ⛵️
Great tour! This was on my shortlist when I was in the market but I ended up getting SJ21 (fully retractable keel for beaching, huge flat deck that I can completely stretch out on). If I wanted more cabin this would have been great. My SJ21 has no anchor locker, I really wish it did. Is that Dillon at the end?
I’m looking at a Starwind 19 at the moment. I think it’s the older version of a Precision 18. The headroom isn’t great but other than that I hear good things…..how’s the headroom in the P18?
The P18 would be appropriate for inland waterways (lakes and rivers) or coastal cruising (bays and offshore). Basically places where if the weather gets bad…you can head back in for protection. It is definitely not built for transoceanic crossings.
Precision Boat Works shut down in August 2018 after 40 years of production. The founders, Bill and Richard Porter, retired. Richard passed away shortly after, but Bill still sells parts for the boats.
When they last sold new factory boats in 2018 they started at $29,900 for the basic boat (no roller fuller, no sail covers, etc). The newer boats (2000+) definitely go for more than the 80s-90s boats. I paid $13,500 for my used 2010. If the boat is in “like-new” condition and has additional equipment like depth sounder, auto-tiller, radio, bimini then it I’ve seen asking prices as high as $31,000. If it’s a basic boat, then I’d guess $24-26K.
It totally depends on the age and condition. They retailed new for $29,000 when they stopped making them in 2018. I paid $13,000 for my 2010 model. Here’s a 2000 listed for $10,995: strictlysailinc.com/collections/used-sailboats/products/2000-precision-18. The late 1980s models can get really cheap.
@@Silverback1969MoonLandingLies I use the Torqeedo Travel 1103C electric outboard (3 hp equivalent). I’ve done two videos on it…here’s a link to one of them: ruclips.net/video/hUa7ZSFr0_c/видео.html
I believe so. The pricelist says just shy of $22k with options pushing it to just about $25k. Hope this helps. www.precisionboatworks.com/boats/p18/index.php
OK, but a cl 16 is exciting to sail and then going into at least a 26 foot keel boat for week long trips is ....nice, safe, dry. 18 foot keel boat? Slow. 18 inch draft, very tender. Does it plane down wind? I mean you wouldn't want to take it out into open water with over 20 knots of wind....would you?
Remember the old adage: “Every boat is a compromise.” The key to happiness is to find the right boat that does the things YOU need it to do. If you are looking for a speedy racer or a blue-water boat…the P-18 is not a good fit. If you are looking for a fun, versatile, cabin sailboat that fits in your garage and is easy to trailer and launch…the P-18 is a great choice.
@@ColoradoSailing yeah its actually a really nice looking boat. honestly I would really love to own of those. my grandfather has a toon 19 that he built himself, and I have done a lot sailing in it. although its 1 foot longer, the cabin is ver short, and its a shallow water boat so a precision 18 would probably be more spacious.
Very nice boat, lots of great design features.
That's a seriously nice boat for 18' Lots of space and a proper keel.
Hey Dave, we talked a bit on the FB Group. I had a P15K. Hated it. Your P18 is in seriously sanitary shape. I'm still a Capri 18 fan, but yours is surely a gem.
Many thanks!! From what I’ve heard from people who have sailed both the Catalina and the Precision…the Capri 18 has a more solid feel. Which totally makes sense given the 75 lbs more ballast, slightly deeper wing keel and a lower sail area to displacement (SA/disp) ratio. Since I trailer to some pretty remote places with primitive ramps, I think the lower draft Precision 18 was the right boat for me. Would love to try out a Capri 18 one day though!! ⛵️
Love that boat as well Dave! Enjoy her!
It’s a modern day Investigator 563!!! I knew mirror had a version but this is much closer. Looks a great boat.
Very nice! I’ve owned an O’Day 192 since 1985. Still sailing.
The O’Day 192 is another really great small boat. I’m such a big fan of the whole 17’-19’ class of trailerable sailboats…so many options. It’s a very versatile and fun size. Happy sailing… ⛵️
That's a fine looking boat, and big features for 18'. Been looking at similar-sized skiffs and Welsfords, a cabin like that would make all the difference.
Smart looking boat. Well designed.
I'm loving your content on the P18 Dave. I'm just getting into sailing and researching trailer sailors. Your videos on rigging, reefing, and sailing your beautiful boat have been a huge help. Thank you!
Thank you! I also struggled getting good info when I was starting out…so trying to provide content I wish I had access to. 🙂
An intelligently designed boat. She looks good! Perfect!!
My Dad owned a P18 as well as 2 P21's (At different times, not at the same time, LOL) and a P23. They are well built, well designed little cruisers with some creative and clever design elements. He added extra ballast in the form of lead plugs in the keel area to make them a bit stiffer (more stable) to sail, which he did single handed most of the time. I do wish they would figure out a better main sheet system!
The whole family of Precision boats are really nice. I’m a big fan of the P21 especially…the few extra feet makes a big difference in cabin comfort.
Looks good Dave!
Nice little boat! I just upgraded from a Catalina 14.2 dinghy to a Catalina 22 swing keel for lake sailing with my young children. If I knew this boat existed, I probably would have chosen it over the Catalina 22! Perfect size for day sailing with the family and easy trailering without a large truck.
There’s actually a really nice group of boats of this size with similar characteristics including the Catalina Capri 18, Potter 19, Sannibel 18, Voyager 20, Montgomery 17 and Sage 17. But, there’s a reason why Catalina has sold over 15,000 Catalina 22s!
Great video. Thanks for sharing. This would be a perfect boat for me. Trailer and easier to launch.
I like that the mast doesn't go through the cabin and the keel contains the daggerboard.i hope it's as strong as the traditional setup I can imagine how the cabin would be with the new blunt bow designs and a shroud free junk rigged sail
The very earliest P-21s (circa late 1980s) had an issue with the cabin roof sagging because it was too wide for the amount of structural support it had underneath. Issue was identified and Precision sent an additional steel roof support beam to affected owners (unfortunately, too late for some boats which developed cracks above the hatchway). The P-21 design was changed and future boats had a beefed up cabin roof and bulkheads. The P-18s are a bit more compact and have not had this issue.
Great review of the features, thank you. Could you tell me if you have completed a review of the sailing characteristics?
Here’s my review of the Precision 18’s sailing characteristics: ruclips.net/video/UzoO7BU2344/видео.html
Great review, thanks. Former owner of a Wayfarer 16, Precision 21, and now with a Com-Pac Eclipse 21. All great boats, but still wondering if the P18 may not be THE perfect sailboat!
Funny…I’ve long felt the Precision 21 is probably the “perfect” boat. More comfortable and larger cabin than a P18, but still small enough to trailer and launch easily!
Amazing sailboat. How much can be one of this on the second hand market?
It depends on the age and condition. A 1980s boat in good condition can be found for US $4,000-$6,000. The 2010 or newer boats are generally $9,000-$13,000.
Lovely boat
It’s a good looking boat.
Good boat but my only gripes with the design is small sail area and the water line could be longer. I really like the anchor locker ! The uncluttered cabin looks practical.
Actually, I would argue she is over canvassed for her size. The more important measure than just total sail area is the sail area to displacement (SA/disp) ratio. The Precision 18 has a high SA/disp ratio of 21.81. For comparison, the popular Catalina 22 has a SA/disp ratio of 19.8…the Potter 19 is only 16.1. This makes the P18 an excellent light-air performer…but she needs to be reefed early as the winds pick up.
I like your channel because I just bought a used P-21. I had it out in 10-15 kt winds and was surprised how it heeled over more than I expected with the full mainsail deployed. I'm still learning about sailing in general so i look forward to more of your videos.@@ColoradoSailing
@@joecraven2034 Thanks! Yes, all the Precision boats are typically a bit lighter than other boats of the same length and have a lot of sail area for their displacement (high SA/disp ratio). So they typically need to be reefed early and/or crew weight on the boat needs to be moved out to the rail. It also helps to really tighten the outhaul, halyards and backstay to get those sails as flat as possible. Pulling the centerboard fully up will also reduce heel by about 5 degrees. I’ve sailed my P-18 in 30 kts with a double reef and 80% jib…so they are capable boats when properly canvassed for the conditions.
Nice boat
Many of the same reasons I got a 2006 P-18. Appreciate your videos.
One concern: sinking. While I learned from your more recent videos options to prevent capsizing and getting water into the cabin, etc, I am wondering if you have found any options for enhancing its floatation once (heaven help us) we are flooded.
Such as: a sealed storage box that can be efficiently used in the starboard stern lazarette along with sealing its hatch to retard water in-flow, etc.?.
Thanks again!
I did create a seal for my starboard locker to prevent water entry. I also carry a Nebulus floatation device which is a self-inflating life raft that provides 1,000 lbs of floatation. Although, if the boat was sinking, I’d probably use the life raft to save myself and any crew over the boat. I’ve been in some pretty high winds and I’ve never felt worried about capsizing or sinking. Just need to keep your wits about you. ⛵️
Great tour! This was on my shortlist when I was in the market but I ended up getting SJ21 (fully retractable keel for beaching, huge flat deck that I can completely stretch out on). If I wanted more cabin this would have been great. My SJ21 has no anchor locker, I really wish it did. Is that Dillon at the end?
Elk Creek marina at Blue Mesa Reservoir
I’m looking at a Starwind 19 at the moment. I think it’s the older version of a Precision 18. The headroom isn’t great but other than that I hear good things…..how’s the headroom in the P18?
Only good if you are sitting down! 😂
Works for me! That doggie looks like a black mouth cur….
Would a boat like yours be used for small bodies of water or could you cross a ocean or maybe Lake Superior with it?
The P18 would be appropriate for inland waterways (lakes and rivers) or coastal cruising (bays and offshore). Basically places where if the weather gets bad…you can head back in for protection. It is definitely not built for transoceanic crossings.
Are they still making these boats?
Precision Boat Works shut down in August 2018 after 40 years of production. The founders, Bill and Richard Porter, retired. Richard passed away shortly after, but Bill still sells parts for the boats.
I’m looking at a 2017 that I’m thinking of buying. Do you have any idea how much one is worth in general??
When they last sold new factory boats in 2018 they started at $29,900 for the basic boat (no roller fuller, no sail covers, etc). The newer boats (2000+) definitely go for more than the 80s-90s boats. I paid $13,500 for my used 2010. If the boat is in “like-new” condition and has additional equipment like depth sounder, auto-tiller, radio, bimini then it I’ve seen asking prices as high as $31,000. If it’s a basic boat, then I’d guess $24-26K.
@@ColoradoSailing I have a couple other questions? can you email??
@@randomairplaneguy8849 I have a helpful used Precision 18 inspection video here: ruclips.net/video/1aQeMW3l1LA/видео.html
??? A construção do barco terminou ???
Good video, great boat! How much is a Precision 18?
It totally depends on the age and condition. They retailed new for $29,000 when they stopped making them in 2018. I paid $13,000 for my 2010 model. Here’s a 2000 listed for $10,995: strictlysailinc.com/collections/used-sailboats/products/2000-precision-18. The late 1980s models can get really cheap.
@@ColoradoSailing It's a great looking boat, I love the videos, have you done one on the engine?
@@Silverback1969MoonLandingLies I use the Torqeedo Travel 1103C electric outboard (3 hp equivalent). I’ve done two videos on it…here’s a link to one of them: ruclips.net/video/hUa7ZSFr0_c/видео.html
What year is this boat? Do they still make them?
I believe so. The pricelist says just shy of $22k with options pushing it to just about $25k. Hope this helps.
www.precisionboatworks.com/boats/p18/index.php
Precision Boat Works shut down production in 2018 after 40 years…
OK, but a cl 16 is exciting to sail and then going into at least a 26 foot keel boat for week long trips is ....nice, safe, dry.
18 foot keel boat? Slow. 18 inch draft, very tender. Does it plane down wind? I mean you wouldn't want to take it out into open water with over 20 knots of wind....would you?
Remember the old adage: “Every boat is a compromise.” The key to happiness is to find the right boat that does the things YOU need it to do. If you are looking for a speedy racer or a blue-water boat…the P-18 is not a good fit. If you are looking for a fun, versatile, cabin sailboat that fits in your garage and is easy to trailer and launch…the P-18 is a great choice.
@@ColoradoSailing
If you like it, and enjoy yourself it's all good.
what year is this boat?
It’s a 2010. Hull #620.
what is the deck material you used ?
The non-skid deck material was standard on the boats. It’s very similar to “awl grip”
The non-skid deck material came standard on the boats. It’s similar to “awl grip”
Can you give us a rough figure how much one of these would cost Me ???
New they retailed for $29,000. I picked up my 2010 for $13,000. Older boats (80s-99s) go for much less…
Pristine!
ur boat looks like its never been used
Thanks. The previous owner kept it indoors and it was his second boat…so not much use. I’ve also kept it garaged through the winter which helps a lot!
@@ColoradoSailing yeah its actually a really nice looking boat. honestly I would really love to own of those. my grandfather has a toon 19 that he built himself, and I have done a lot sailing in it. although its 1 foot longer, the cabin is ver short, and its a shallow water boat so a precision 18 would probably be more spacious.
by shallow water sailboat, I mean 6 inch draft. it has a leeboard instead of any kind of keel
Oooooooogiveit!