I ordered 13600K after returning 13500 and i can tell anyone if you are buying this CPU for gaming with high end GPU 4080/90 then you don't want 13500 under any circumstances. Let me explain in detail. I have tested several games on all 3 CPU: 12400 - 13500 - 13500 Power Limit Unlocked - 13600K these are results from max settings 1440p the numbers are average fps: 12400 13500 13500(PLU) 13600K Cinebench Multi Core 11000 14646 19449 22432 Total War Warhammer 2 - Skaven 87.3 87.4 87.9 104.8 AC: Odyssey 116 121 124 133 Far Cry 5 161 175 174 191 Cyberpunk 91.92 94.28 96.51 99.85
I chose those 4 games as they have inbuild benchmark and they show precise measurments. Now from those numbers the jump seems useless right?? Why pay extra $ for such a tiny improvment you may ask? Well those benchmarks don't show full picture there are several extra things to consider: 1.First of all RT performance - If you got 4080/90/7900XTX you will no doubt use RT (why wouldn't you with such powerfull cards?) and this right here flips the performace board over, these are rough numbers since there is no in-build benchmarks but: -13500 had roughly same performance as 12400 (13500 had 7% lead over 12400 at most) in Witcher 3 on max settings and Hogwarts Legacy. Well let me tell you that 13600K had around 20% more performance under those conditions than those other 2 CPU: Witcher 3 12400/13500 had around 100fps with 13600k i saw like 120-125 in novigrad Hogwarts Legacy - Hogsmeade tells preety much same tale also without RT performance in this game was also much higher and completelly maxed out GPU with RT on there was still some bottleneck but GPU sat at around 90% on average with the amount of fps it pumped out it's alright. - Spider-man Remastered also saw big improvment. There is still some bottleneck even with Frame Generation but the game gives out around 15-20% more fps. -And finally Last Of Us there was big CPU bottleneck with 12400 at 4K i saw GPU usage drop even to 70% in certain scenes (i did not test 13500 in this resolution sadly) with 13600K there is no CPU bottleneck at all. At 4K with DLSS Quality (max setting) game gives solid 100fps never saw a drop below 85 and it fluctuates from 85-120 (which is my fps cap) 2. The second part is 1% lows now i did not do some comprehensive testing for this just regular game playing but i can tell you there is massive improvment here compared to 12400 i would say that 20% improvment at least in 1% maybe more depending on title, in last of us i would say that 1% lows went up by 30%.
So why is 13600K so much better than 12400/13500 in certain situations? I believe the answer lies in the specs: 1.Frequency 12400 - 4.4 GHz / 13500 - 4.8 GHz / 13600K - 5.2Ghz - Helps a bit no doubt but does not rly explain extra performance of the 13600K 2.Is obvious core count: 12400 - 6 core / 13500 6P Core 8E Core / 13600K 6P Core 8E Core: It is fairly obvious why 12400 would lag behind however E cores don't do that much in gaming from my understanding 3. This i believe is an answer to 13600K huge improvment (in certain situations): CACHE 12400 13500 13600K L1: 480KB, L2: 7.5MB, L3: 18MB L1: 1,248KB, L2: 11.5MB, L3: 24MB L1: 1,248KB, L2: 20.0MB, L3: 24MB The 13600K has almost DOUBLE of L2 Cache than 13500. Now i'm not an engineer or any hardware guru but that cache has to be doing something because those extra fps didn't come out of nowhere.
So to conclude this if you are after high lvl experience don't buy 13500. The 13600K is like 50$ more expensive and that extra price IS WORTH every damn dolar. There is also the fact that 13600K is a CPU which we can OC those numbers above are basic stock settings and can be further improved by raising clocks. The only downsides to 13600K are temperatures and power draw in Cinebench with power unlocked in ate around 180W however in CPU intensive games it ate around 95-100W which is still more than 65-70W which 12400/13500 got but not a disaster. The temperatures are signifficantly higher too but if my shitty 20$ cooler can get it to 86 celcius MAX with 180W power draw in cinebench then it's NOT terrible and there's also undervolting to consider. In games i saw around 70 celcius max. And finally there's one final thing to consider i'm still using DDR4 i have no doubt that when pairing those CPU with DDR5 the gap between them would widen even more. I hope this helps anyone, just thought i would put this out there 😉
"13600K had around 20% more performance under those conditions (12400 & 13500)" - so like, should i pay 100% more for 20% performance then? :D I mean, 12400 worth only half the price of 13600k, and also has two times lower tdp? 13600k sounds like overpayment for not so big difference in some games.
@@ravioli-ravioli Why are you even looking at 13600K if your looking for budget CPU? This is a CPU for owners of cards like 4080/90/7900XTX, for ppl who use RT, or just for ppl that play at extremely high fps in 1080p and want top tier performance and are not afraid to pay a little extra, it is also nice upgrade for futureproffing your system. Can you get a better CPU when comparing cost/per frame obviously yes,but you can do a lot worse too 13700k/7800x3d are even more expensive then this one. And i got nothing but good things to say about it especially after UV which i recommend everyone do i got temps from 86-88 to 70 max in cinebench, and power usage likewise went down by about 30W which is 25% with 0 loss in performance in games i got like 80-90W and 60 celcius which is cooler then my 12400 lol. 12400 is not bad CPU but if you want top tier performance then 13600k is the way to go and honestly someone that got over a 1000$ GPU in system is not going to want to have CPU that is lacking in performance and not giving them top-tier experience. There's nothing wrong about budget gaming i used to play like that for years but this CPU is not targeted for that market, unlocked CPU has always been more for enthusiasts then regular Joe.
@@ravioli-ravioli I was doing the same as author i just provided ppl with actual numbers. I mean author has 4090 obviously this is not a video for budget oriented gamers. You want budget CPU then just go with AM4 and down the line you can upgrade to 5800x3d.
Thank you for making this video mate! Really helped me a lot on making decision as I’m running a 12400 at the moment and thinking of upgrading my GPU. Btw your English is great! I can understand everything issue free
Thanks mate. I was wondering if I should change my 12400f to use a 4090. Thanks to you, it looks like I must buy both gpu and cpu. Keep going, you video is clear and simple. Good work.
As a person with the Silencio S400 case, i5 12400 with stock cooler, rtx 3060 TI and 32GB ram DDR4 and Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX motherboard the benchmarks were helpful for a planned future i5 - 13600k upgrade in 2023. Currently I have the same noise levels as well.
how it helped u? its really interesting for me =) u are not seeing any big difference here in benchmarks bc he is playing at 4k+ resolution. I am sure that your monitor is 1080p or 2 k maximum. And in that case 13600k will be much much stronger.
Произношение хорошее, так что за это не волнуйтесь. Видео хорошее - как раз задумывался о замене ЦП, но только у меня 12400 с разгоном по шине через тактовый генератор, а таких тестов почти нет.
@@trysometech52 К сожалению, к какому-то конкретному решению пока не пришёл, так как 12400 использую для собственного энтузиазма, а новые процессоры такой разгон сейчас не поддерживают. Если ситуация изменится - думаю, что 13500 будет интересным вариантом.
@dirty2162 интересно штота про разгон 12400f слышл, но там нужна спец мать плата Z690 или как? (на B660 возможно?) пожалуйста может поделишься по какой инструкции сделал - линком
man I remember using an open case for years, those were the days, never though i would see someone with an open case with an op setup as yours. I think the case is draging down the setup, a cooler master case with the 2 big fans in front would be much better for cooling. love the content and ur english is very good!
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THANK YOU for maxing out the settings. All the reviews with low settings are absolutely useless for gamers because nobody is gaming at 1080p. What does the CPU actually do in 1440p and 4K, let's say when FPS is around 70-80 where it starts to feel a little less smooth. Thanks man fort showing the ACTUAL performance gains for a normal guy who just want to play games!!
I actually am looking for the opposite, I dont care about the hihgest settings performance, all I car about is can this cpu run 240 + fps at the lowest graphic settings possible. If all I cared for was its performance at max frams even my I7 7700 will max out my gtx 1070 at max settings 1080p, but i play on low settings to get 240 fps and the quad core I7 7700 aint cutting it no more.
Although I’ve never had any problems with my 12400f, it’s almost always at 100% utilization in the last of us and also very high usage in hogwarts legacy with ray tracing. The last of us constantly crashes because of this so I’m planning on getting a 13600k. Thanks for the video and sick build! Also your English is great keep up the hard work!
Can confirm this 12400f is not a problem I have same cpu (12400f+GTX1080ti+DDR4 32GB 3600MHZ). Have walked though entire game with recent updates about a month ago without a single crash so it's not a CPU fault. Yeah fps still lower than expected so u need to adjust lower graphics settings accordingly and then it was all fine to me (~100 fps 1440p as I remember) . As first measure update game with recent patches.
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2:14 You should have bought a better case. I have a similar NZXT H500 - front completely blocked. The temps are so bad at times. On my old Zalman Z3 with a similar setup i was getting 8-9° lower temps. Rtx 3080/5800x3d
ty for video. my old pc was i5 4440 and gtx 645 2 gb, yeah. I build my first pc last summer 13600k and 3060 ti. I recently found out my cpu uses the 4080 fully and does not cause bottleneck. I think I might upgrade to it. Will see.
Do you game with some other windows open? E.g.: chrome? I am using 12400 and usually have my other work stuff opened in the background, consuming some cpu load. I was wondering if upgrading to something with efficiency core would help improve the experience.
I think about buying 12400 or 13600K. Would you recognize a speed difference at full hd video cut in davinci resolve? Or would you notice a speed difference in normal desktop use like opening programs?
Never worked with DaVinci Resolve, sorry. And yeah, you will not notice any difference in opening programs and etc. I'd say go for 13400 or 13500. They have already released, and it seems like they are best at their price point on this socket.
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I have multiple stutters and drops with this 12400. With a monster 4070ti, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well,should i upgrade to the 36000 or a i7 I wanna keep my cpu for awhile
Great video, I had a feeling the modern low end CPU's (because of the Memory bandwidth is so high) 12th gen 76 GB/s 13th gen 89.6GB/s (11th gen 50GB/s) could handle moderate to higher end GPU's with no real problems. I plugged a EVGA RTX 3050 into a 2009 Intel (model #950) first 4 core8 thread (3.33ghz) cpu with 10 gigs of mismatched ram that the mother board down clocked to 1033Mhz. Games like world of warships max setting 1080P 110 fps with. the frames dropped in heavy battles when lots of ships/ players in close, probably from the low ram speed and not the PCI3 bus. I ordered 2400Mhz ram that never showed for the review but could not add that part to the review. the 12400f with 3.2Ghz ram and the 3050 same game floats about 20-25 frames higher and has a very stable frame rate no matter the battle and or player base. Been using a 46" sony for a display since then 60Htz. it has basic up scaling and anti tearing tech in the PC mode on the TV so all games have Vsync on. World of war ships the GPU is 40% and the cpu is 10%. been trying that demo of enshrouded on high 1080p GPU load 95% ish cpu 30% ish Vsync on. Planning on getting a new TV for a display.. even the budget ones have gaming upscaling and anti tearing chips that add crazy performance/ sharpen the picture. It's kind of like compound Boost engines that have super chargers and turbos but on the cheap for video games.
I want to do the B660 + i5-13600K combo. - Are you seeing any underperformance because voltage issues? (Motherboard not delivering enough?) - Did you do custom setup from bios? (Undervolting?) - How are the temps under HEAVY load? (I see it goes above 85C at one point even though you have a great cooler, is that an issue?) Thank you mate.
Hi, that's a good idea since there is no sense in overclocking 13600k. There were no performance issues, and the CPU was working at full power. Stable 5.1GHz on P-cores. But yeah, temps are terrible, but the reason for that was a small case with 4090, which had little space for air intake, so she was very hot as well. And Dark Rock Pro 4 had just one cooler out of two. So with a normal case and cooler, that will not be an issue. I tried to explain this in first part of video, check it in case you missed it. If you buy B660 MB, make sure it has some radiators, don't take the cheapest one. Regarding undervolting - I did not find a CPU offset voltage on my MB, but i found another solution for that - 06:43
I use undervolting for 13600K on my MSI B660 Tomahawk. Here are the steps to undervolt it on B660 (saw this in another video comment section). 1. Make sure your UEFI is updated to the latest version. 2. Boot into your UEFI > "Advanced (F7)" > "Overclocking" (OC) 2. Change "Microcode selection" to "No UVP" 3. In "Advanced CPU Configuration" change "CPU Lite Load " to "Mode 1" (optional, as it may just tank your performance even with no uvp enabled, at least for me it did) 4. Go back into "Overclocking" and change "CPU Core Voltage Offset Mode " to "- By CPU" and "CPU Core Voltage Offset" to "0.180" mine is stable at this value, or any other value that is stable for your system. Make sure to test stability with cinebench or other benchmarking software 5. Go to "DigitAll Power". Change "CPU Loadline Calibration Control" to "Mode 1" 60 degrees max with Tower cooler in Cyberpunk 2077 on ultra with RTX on.
Спасибо за видос. Почти такая же сборка 12400 + rtx 3080. Моник на 3.5К. Думаю из-за 10 фпс не буду переходить на новый проц. А это нормально, что у тебя 13600 до 80 градусов греется с таким кулером мощным? И ещё, спайдер мен ремастер не очень хорошо оптимизирована для работы с многопоточностью. Я в биосе отключил Hyper Threading и в игре стало 100+ fps.
И верно, 12400 ещё ого-го) Касательно температур - в Dark Pro 4 должно стоять 2 кулера, а я смог только один подключить, этот момент я в видео показывал. Так что можно сказать, что кулер в пол силы работал) Но потом же я новый комп собрал в другом корпусе, теперь нет таких проблем с температурами) У меня если что есть видосы про это
Привет, crowbar! А как твой 12400 справляется в процессоро-зависимых играх? Например бф 42, тарков, и т.д.? Сколько кадров в среднем показывает? Разумеется, если у тебя есть такие данные. :D Если нет, то ладно. Просто, я думаю свой 10400 обновить на 12400 (видеокарта 3070), но сколько тестов не смотрел, они выдают почти идентичный результат и упор в видеокарту... Вот и думаю, может проще видеокарту сменить, чтобы получить сразу прирост, пускай и с небольшим боттлнеком. Потому что вываливать 50к на апгрейд платформы ради мизерного прироста (или вообще его отсутствия) не очень-то и хочется. Столько тестов уже пересмотрел, и так и не решил ничего. :D
@@ravioli-ravioli Хелло! У меня таких игр нет. Только Рдр2 и киберпанк проходил, 70фпс+ это 1440p и все на ультра. Мне кажется 10400 для 3070 маловат как будто бы. Попробуй на 13400 поменять и докинуть оперативы. Также можешь потестить свои игры с выключенным HT в биосе.
@@Crowbar402 у меня 2к монитор, так что мне наоборот 3070 не хватает для 10400. :D Про 13400 что-то много неприятностей слышал, хз насколько он выгоден. Надо будет посмотреть эту тему. Спасибо за ответ, в любом случае)
13400f actually does so much better then the 12400f it gets much closer to the 13600k in real world performance at 1440p ultra and 4k. Using a 13400f with a 4080 super mostly in 4k. And im happy af with it and feel no need to upgrade my cpu. The 4090 really is to powerful for any cpu but the 4080 super handles thede cpus pretty well. I meant the 13400f and up that is. Again though I play 4k on pretty much everything. I will def be upgrading in the future not to long from noe.
@trysometech52 ive been telling everyone this. I hate the scewed results from mainstream media. They sit here acting like a high end cpu is giving you 30fps in 4k. No joke idk how thwy test or get rhe numbers but they are always false imo. People then run to there affiliate links and boom. People fall for it all the time. Just like the 7800x3d vs 14900k I'm sry the 7800x3d isn't getting 15 or 20fps more then the 14900k I've never seen it in person do that and never will. But as we all know amd pays content creators more then anybody else once you get om there list. No joke absurd amounts for reviews and not only that but they don't just send test samples they allow them to keep it. So yeah just something I always think about. I don't mind it people should get stuff for doing things but the bias should not be in play and you shouldn't be scewing results. Its disguisting and so false. I watch real world users compare these cpus all the time and they are much much different then places like hardware unboxed.
Oh man, then you gonna like it - ruclips.net/video/CRvw-JxhOiU/видео.html I never had 7800x3d to make my own benchmarks, but at least it cost way less than 14900k
Привет: совет - нужны графики после каждого теста, где наглядно видно цифры и сравнение, без этого сложно отследить реальную разницу и разобраться нормально
Absolutely not. I was calm because in most cases 4090 consumes way less power, check my other video on this topic. But even in a peak load i never had any issues
Great video and nice english 😇 I have a i5 12400f and rtx 4080 mostly play at 3440x1440 and some at 4k60, but was wondering if it Would be better something like 13600k or i7 12700f to get an extra fps boost and longevity, should I go for it?
Thank you! I'd say it depends on your budget. But honestly, don't even think about 12700f :D It's the same gen, and the difference will not be that noticeable, especially on your resolution. Maybe you should wait for a little and save some money? I mean, CPUs drop in price very well. Now we can buy 13700k for the starting price of 13600k. New Ryzen 7xxx3D is coming out soon, maybe they will also affect the price. So if you don't have patience like me, go and grab 13600k, and it will be a good solution for you
I think that depends on your budget and monitor refresh rate. If you need more stable FPS in an online heavy shooter like Battlefield 42, then I would say upgrade the CPU, but overall, 12400f should be enough, if you don't mind sometimes seeing ~80FPS in single games. Anyway in games like Witcher 3, Spiderman and Cyberpunk you can use Frame Generation, so you'll be fine :)
you are doing a test on a power supply that does not reach the permissible voltage for your connection because of this video card of yours it works at 65-90%, but maybe of course I’m wrong and you know better)
If I were you, I wouldn't bother and keep the current CPU :) Of course, it depends on the games you play and the resolution of your monitor. More resolution - less CPU dependency
I would say yes, 13400f is a great option. But if you're aiming for high refresh rate at 4k, you might be better off with 13600k. Do you want to combine it with 4090?
@@zi2106zo actually it sounds like a plan. If I were you, I would try it. Maybe sometimes 13600k will get +5-10% more fps, but it cost more\drains more watts eed better cooling
currently on 12400f and rtx 3060ti. I will never buy something like a 4090, so the 10-20 FPS will melt more and more with a slower GPU. Maybe I will go for Ryzen 9600X in the future, to be ready for GTA 6 and Monsterhunter Wilds, coming in 2025/26
Hi I would like to know if you have stuttering with rtx 4090 and i5 12400f , because i'm having stuttering with i5 12400 and rtx 4070super my specs are: i5 12400 rtx 4070 super asrock phantom gaming 4 z690 2x8gb 2666 mhz ssd nvme m.2 500gb psu corsair 650w bronze plus
Then i guess you can have bottleneck in games like Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Battlefield 2042. But how important is that for you? Sometimes you'll get (for example) ~90 fps in single games, is that a problem to you? Obviously 13600k is better, but it's really up to you and your budget. I'd say keep it for a while, check fps in games that you usually play and compare it to someone other's test, and then decide you need it or not
Приветствую, сам играю в warzone 2, играю на full hd "10400f rtx 3060ti", фпс дропается до 70 бывает, (карточка нагружена 40-60℅, мне нужно хотя бы 110-120 кадров из-за частоты монитора. Стоит ли переходить на 12400? Даст ли он буст?) Спасибо за ранее
Привет! Я практически уверен, что да, буст будет, ведь видяха у тебя, судя по всему, прохлаждается. 12400 хорош, он даже почти с 4090 справился, но также рекомендую посмотреть 13400, только я хз как в РФ сейчас c ценами и доступностью. Так как это уже другой сокет, соответственно и другая материнка, можно ещё посмотреть на 5600X (говоря о долгосроке - тут обновляться уже разве что на 5800X3D, в то время как на интеле можно обновляться вплоть до 13900к). АМ5 не предлагаю, ибо это уже совсем другая ценовая категория) Ну а пока не обновился, попробуй найти процессорозависимые настройки и скрутить их, вдруг хоть немного поможет. Обнови БИОС на материнке (мне как-то на 12400 это дало неплохой буст), может быть оперативку можно немного разогнать получится и тоже несколько кадров выжать
@@trysometech52 частоту гнал на оперативке, не особо помогло, 13400 смотрел, типа этот 12600к переодетый, но если 12400ф бустануть, он не сильно отстаёт от 13 поколения
To be honest, I don't think so. But it depends on what games you play and how important 1% fps is to you. The 13600k warms up a lot, so you will probably need a more powerful cooling system. Is it worth it? It looks like Intel's 14th generation will be with the 1700 socket too, maybe there will be some better processor out there? I'd say wait for a better offer.
главное отличие этих процов это стабильность фпс и количество статтеров-просадок. для этого нужно выводить график фпс и сравнивать 0.1%. в целом, в нынешних играх 12400 еще вывозит
Very nice i actually ordered 13600K today upgrading from 12400 :) I got 4080 and 12400 is just not enough for it. What is shocking is that CPU bottleneck is possible at 4K lol it just shows how powerful those new nvidia cards are, 4080/90 are beasts though their pricetag could be lower ;)
@@trysometech52 I've already found 6 cores to be lacking.Change my mind! depends upon the game of course but 6 cores is for yesterday and today. 8 at least buys us a year or two
Yes, I tested in 4k and saw the difference in the minimum and average fps. Not in all games, but we are talking about 60+ fps anyway. So if you have 4k@60, then you will not notice the difference. For example, in God of War average will be around 100fps, and on 13600k - ~120fps (as far as I remember)
Really? I'd like to see some benchmarks that will prove their same performance. I mean, I'd like to believe that but even 12600k lose sometimes at 4k to 13600k . And again, this is valid only if you target 120+ fps at 4k. To play 4k@60 you don't even need to OC 12400
@@trysometech52 yeah by oclk 12400 you got the same fps for 2 3 fps difference for me that i get the 4070 is obligatory in some game but yeah 4k 60 is the minimum
Yes "BIG"diffference 10-15 FPS all well above 60... You realise that your eye can't register anything above 60 fps for most people anything above 40 fps is the same. If someone tells you he can register some difference between 60 and 120 fps he is lying to you. Thank you that you practicaly confirmed that for gaming you need 12400f and nothing more.
Only need a 12400F, maybe. It's the chip I have and it's awesome, and STILL the best budget gaming CPU. As for smoothness above 60fps, there's a huge difference. Have you ever compared a 60hz to 90hz to 120hz phone? Night and day. In my personal gaming tests since getting a 120hz OLED, I have found somewhere between 90-100fps to be the sweet spot, and while I'm hard pressed to "see" much difference above 100, I can "feel" it all the way up to the 120 maximum. Monitor tests in fast action scenes are even showing improvements above the 240hz "holy grail", though I don't have specs to test this far personally.
@@FlyingAlexey в большинстве игр его будет достаточно, но иногда будет проседать, как с Ведьмаком 3 в моём видео. Если ты не гонишься за 100+ фпс в каждой игре как я, то можно смело его оставлять. Хотя в том же Ведьмаке если включить Frame Generation, то сразу улетит за 100фпс. Лично я с ним всю игру прошёл)
@@FlyingAlexey ты в 3х разных комментах упоминаешь 3 разные видеокарты, о какой из них идёт речь то?) Но в целом, если мы говорим про батлу, то да, лучше обновить проц. Будут более стабильные 100+ фпс, а на 12400 фпс иногда падает до 80
@@user-j9ki7r nah i tested few games without recording at 2k and "3k" and there was almost the same picture, 4090 is beast. Sometimes even at 4k we can see CPU bottleneck. And it's hard to imagine a guy, who's gonna buy 4090 for 2k monitor, right? Even 3080 should be enough for that
Thank you for the video! Unfortunately the 12400 could not truly be bottlenecked during your test there. In my opinion you don't benefit enought from the update to 13600K. Instead you could OC the 12400 and surpass performance of the next gen 13400: ruclips.net/video/Lk94Mre1V2c/видео.html
I don't know how fair that comparison was. Did he also use OC 13600K or not? How will games like The Witcher 3 or Battlefield 2024 behave? They are really demanding on the CPU. Also, I used to not believe benchmarks without a hardware demo or captured gameplay. But at the same time I know that overclocked 12400 can show way better result :) Now the sweet spot for me is 13500.
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I ordered 13600K after returning 13500 and i can tell anyone if you are buying this CPU for gaming with high end GPU 4080/90 then you don't want 13500 under any circumstances. Let me explain in detail. I have tested several games on all 3 CPU: 12400 - 13500 - 13500 Power Limit Unlocked - 13600K these are results from max settings 1440p the numbers are average fps:
12400 13500 13500(PLU) 13600K
Cinebench Multi Core 11000 14646 19449 22432
Total War Warhammer 2 - Skaven 87.3 87.4 87.9 104.8
AC: Odyssey 116 121 124 133
Far Cry 5 161 175 174 191
Cyberpunk 91.92 94.28 96.51 99.85
I chose those 4 games as they have inbuild benchmark and they show precise measurments. Now from those numbers the jump seems useless right?? Why pay extra $ for such a tiny improvment you may ask? Well those benchmarks don't show full picture there are several extra things to consider:
1.First of all RT performance - If you got 4080/90/7900XTX you will no doubt use RT (why wouldn't you with such powerfull cards?) and this right here flips the performace board over, these are rough numbers since there is no in-build benchmarks but:
-13500 had roughly same performance as 12400 (13500 had 7% lead over 12400 at most) in Witcher 3 on max settings and Hogwarts Legacy. Well let me tell you that 13600K had around 20% more performance under those conditions than those other 2 CPU:
Witcher 3 12400/13500 had around 100fps with 13600k i saw like 120-125 in novigrad
Hogwarts Legacy - Hogsmeade tells preety much same tale also without RT performance in this game was also much higher and completelly maxed out GPU with RT on there was still some bottleneck but GPU sat at around 90% on average with the amount of fps it pumped out it's alright.
- Spider-man Remastered also saw big improvment. There is still some bottleneck even with Frame Generation but the game gives out around 15-20% more fps.
-And finally Last Of Us there was big CPU bottleneck with 12400 at 4K i saw GPU usage drop even to 70% in certain scenes (i did not test 13500 in this resolution sadly) with 13600K there is no CPU bottleneck at all. At 4K with DLSS Quality (max setting) game gives solid 100fps never saw a drop below 85 and it fluctuates from 85-120 (which is my fps cap)
2. The second part is 1% lows now i did not do some comprehensive testing for this just regular game playing but i can tell you there is massive improvment here compared to 12400 i would say that 20% improvment at least in 1% maybe more depending on title, in last of us i would say that 1% lows went up by 30%.
So why is 13600K so much better than 12400/13500 in certain situations? I believe the answer lies in the specs:
1.Frequency 12400 - 4.4 GHz / 13500 - 4.8 GHz / 13600K - 5.2Ghz - Helps a bit no doubt but does not rly explain extra performance of the 13600K
2.Is obvious core count: 12400 - 6 core / 13500 6P Core 8E Core / 13600K 6P Core 8E Core:
It is fairly obvious why 12400 would lag behind however E cores don't do that much in gaming from my understanding
3. This i believe is an answer to 13600K huge improvment (in certain situations): CACHE
12400 13500 13600K
L1: 480KB, L2: 7.5MB, L3: 18MB L1: 1,248KB, L2: 11.5MB, L3: 24MB L1: 1,248KB, L2: 20.0MB, L3: 24MB
The 13600K has almost DOUBLE of L2 Cache than 13500. Now i'm not an engineer or any hardware guru but that cache has to be doing something because those extra fps didn't come out of nowhere.
So to conclude this if you are after high lvl experience don't buy 13500. The 13600K is like 50$ more expensive and that extra price IS WORTH every damn dolar. There is also the fact that 13600K is a CPU which we can OC those numbers above are basic stock settings and can be further improved by raising clocks. The only downsides to 13600K are temperatures and power draw in Cinebench with power unlocked in ate around 180W however in CPU intensive games it ate around 95-100W which is still more than 65-70W which 12400/13500 got but not a disaster. The temperatures are signifficantly higher too but if my shitty 20$ cooler can get it to 86 celcius MAX with 180W power draw in cinebench then it's NOT terrible and there's also undervolting to consider. In games i saw around 70 celcius max. And finally there's one final thing to consider i'm still using DDR4 i have no doubt that when pairing those CPU with DDR5 the gap between them would widen even more. I hope this helps anyone, just thought i would put this out there 😉
Thanks for sharing! Might be useful for someone :)
"13600K had around 20% more performance under those conditions (12400 & 13500)" - so like, should i pay 100% more for 20% performance then? :D I mean, 12400 worth only half the price of 13600k, and also has two times lower tdp? 13600k sounds like overpayment for not so big difference in some games.
@@ravioli-ravioli Why are you even looking at 13600K if your looking for budget CPU? This is a CPU for owners of cards like 4080/90/7900XTX, for ppl who use RT, or just for ppl that play at extremely high fps in 1080p and want top tier performance and are not afraid to pay a little extra, it is also nice upgrade for futureproffing your system. Can you get a better CPU when comparing cost/per frame obviously yes,but you can do a lot worse too 13700k/7800x3d are even more expensive then this one. And i got nothing but good things to say about it especially after UV which i recommend everyone do i got temps from 86-88 to 70 max in cinebench, and power usage likewise went down by about 30W which is 25% with 0 loss in performance in games i got like 80-90W and 60 celcius which is cooler then my 12400 lol. 12400 is not bad CPU but if you want top tier performance then 13600k is the way to go and honestly someone that got over a 1000$ GPU in system is not going to want to have CPU that is lacking in performance and not giving them top-tier experience. There's nothing wrong about budget gaming i used to play like that for years but this CPU is not targeted for that market, unlocked CPU has always been more for enthusiasts then regular Joe.
@@Adrian-is6qn i looked at 13600k because you were directly comparing it to 12400, which seems odd so that's why i tell that.
@@ravioli-ravioli I was doing the same as author i just provided ppl with actual numbers. I mean author has 4090 obviously this is not a video for budget oriented gamers. You want budget CPU then just go with AM4 and down the line you can upgrade to 5800x3d.
Thank you for making this video mate! Really helped me a lot on making decision as I’m running a 12400 at the moment and thinking of upgrading my GPU. Btw your English is great! I can understand everything issue free
Thank you for you kind words. Motivates me a lot :)
Great video!! Doing the same upgrade shortly, pairing the cpu with a 280mm aio from be quiet! (Pure loop fx) with a 4070ti
Thanks mate. I was wondering if I should change my 12400f to use a 4090. Thanks to you, it looks like I must buy both gpu and cpu.
Keep going, you video is clear and simple. Good work.
As a person with the Silencio S400 case, i5 12400 with stock cooler, rtx 3060 TI and 32GB ram DDR4 and Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX motherboard the benchmarks were helpful for a planned future i5 - 13600k upgrade in 2023. Currently I have the same noise levels as well.
I am glad that it was helpful!
Just don't buy a big tower cooler for that case if you don't want to suffer as I did :D
how it helped u? its really interesting for me =) u are not seeing any big difference here in benchmarks bc he is playing at 4k+ resolution. I am sure that your monitor is 1080p or 2 k maximum. And in that case 13600k will be much much stronger.
Stock cooler wtf..... You can't afford a 13600k
Произношение хорошее, так что за это не волнуйтесь.
Видео хорошее - как раз задумывался о замене ЦП, но только у меня 12400 с разгоном по шине через тактовый генератор, а таких тестов почти нет.
Спасибо!)
Там ещё на рынке появились 13400 и 13500, что может немного расширить выбор)
К какому выводу пришли?
@@trysometech52 К сожалению, к какому-то конкретному решению пока не пришёл, так как 12400 использую для собственного энтузиазма, а новые процессоры такой разгон сейчас не поддерживают. Если ситуация изменится - думаю, что 13500 будет интересным вариантом.
@@dirty21 точно такая же проблема, не могу определиться, продать 12400(5.1) и купить 13600к или оно того не стоит))
@dirty2162 интересно штота про разгон 12400f слышл, но там нужна спец мать плата Z690 или как? (на B660 возможно?) пожалуйста может поделишься по какой инструкции сделал - линком
@@Alexey_Opachki приветствую , тоже сижу на 12400f 5.0 и 4070ti , играю на 4k60 . Тоже думаю о 13600k . Вы случайно не обновились ? Есть прирост ?
man I remember using an open case for years, those were the days, never though i would see someone with an open case with an op setup as yours. I think the case is draging down the setup, a cooler master case with the 2 big fans in front would be much better for cooling. love the content and ur english is very good!
Hey, thanks! :)
It's been a while. I already updated PC case 2 times, one of them you can notice in my other videos
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nice video man, love your format and you speak really well.
THANK YOU for maxing out the settings. All the reviews with low settings are absolutely useless for gamers because nobody is gaming at 1080p. What does the CPU actually do in 1440p and 4K, let's say when FPS is around 70-80 where it starts to feel a little less smooth. Thanks man fort showing the ACTUAL performance gains for a normal guy who just want to play games!!
I actually am looking for the opposite, I dont care about the hihgest settings performance, all I car about is can this cpu run 240 + fps at the lowest graphic settings possible. If all I cared for was its performance at max frams even my I7 7700 will max out my gtx 1070 at max settings 1080p, but i play on low settings to get 240 fps and the quad core I7 7700 aint cutting it no more.
@@uranium3111 what game you wanna test? I can do that for you, but I have only 13600k left
@@trysometech52 Don't worry about it man, but thanks for offering your help. Subbed.
Most of us still game at 1080p
Look at the steam stats bro, everybody game at 1080p
Although I’ve never had any problems with my 12400f, it’s almost always at 100% utilization in the last of us and also very high usage in hogwarts legacy with ray tracing. The last of us constantly crashes because of this so I’m planning on getting a 13600k. Thanks for the video and sick build! Also your English is great keep up the hard work!
I have the same CPU and I'm telling you that The Last of Us is the real problem not your CPU
Can confirm this 12400f is not a problem I have same cpu (12400f+GTX1080ti+DDR4 32GB 3600MHZ). Have walked though entire game with recent updates about a month ago without a single crash so it's not a CPU fault. Yeah fps still lower than expected so u need to adjust lower graphics settings accordingly and then it was all fine to me (~100 fps 1440p as I remember) . As first measure update game with recent patches.
I5 12400f here, just purchased 7900XT and wondering if I should upgrade CPU. Decided to wait for next gen CPU. Great video!
Agree, 12400f is still good enough
@@trysometech52 No, it's crap... want mine? it's been downgraded to television streaming only cpu.
@@bullyakker what is wrong with it? I'm at 5600X.
@@korosoid Add a 7900xtx and you'll quickly see bottlenecks at 1440p. Stutters..ack!
@@bullyakker are you sure it's not an SSD issue or pci-e limitation (rebar is off)? Or maybe just the game engine is outdated.
the 12700kf is at just 189dls right now, cheaper than the 13600k and shouuld have similar performance but i dont know if upgrade.
12800k/f is worse then 13600k/f
Познавательно для меня! Единственный кто снял 12400ф с 4090)
P.S. немного практики и будешь лучше говорить)
Рад это слышать) Мне кажется, что в последнем ролике уже есть небольшой прогресс в говоре, но ещё много работы предстоит в этом плане)
@@trysometech52 много, факт) я слушаю и частенько русский акцент дает о себе знать. Для практики рекомендую читать стихотворения с тяжелым произношением и слушать говор англичан. Ох уж эта практика, с ней как раз всегда и беда))) не хватает ее всегда.
@@cheerevermore оу, с этом проблем нет) 80% контента на английском у меня уже давно)
Based on the System Report, I personally think It will be just fine with 16G Ram and 12G VRam in most case.
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You should have bought a better case. I have a similar NZXT H500 - front completely blocked. The temps are so bad at times. On my old Zalman Z3 with a similar setup i was getting 8-9° lower temps. Rtx 3080/5800x3d
ty for video. my old pc was i5 4440 and gtx 645 2 gb, yeah. I build my first pc last summer 13600k and 3060 ti. I recently found out my cpu uses the 4080 fully and does not cause bottleneck. I think I might upgrade to it. Will see.
Yeah, 13600k will handle, don't even doubt it :)
Do you game with some other windows open? E.g.: chrome?
I am using 12400 and usually have my other work stuff opened in the background, consuming some cpu load. I was wondering if upgrading to something with efficiency core would help improve the experience.
Usually I have 10-15 tabs in a Chrome, but that's just a RAM usage. With 32 gigs never had issues with that
I think about buying 12400 or 13600K. Would you recognize a speed difference at full hd video cut in davinci resolve? Or would you notice a speed difference in normal desktop use like opening programs?
Never worked with DaVinci Resolve, sorry.
And yeah, you will not notice any difference in opening programs and etc.
I'd say go for 13400 or 13500. They have already released, and it seems like they are best at their price point on this socket.
@@trysometech52 Thanks alot! The 13500 is available for 250! means i save 100 euro.. For almost the same power. I go for it
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I have multiple stutters and drops with this 12400. With a monster 4070ti, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well,should i upgrade to the 36000 or a i7
I wanna keep my cpu for awhile
so useful that you used real settings - is this with ddr5 or ddr4?
DDR4, you can see specs in video description
Great video, I had a feeling the modern low end CPU's (because of the Memory bandwidth is so high) 12th gen 76 GB/s 13th gen 89.6GB/s (11th gen 50GB/s) could handle moderate to higher end GPU's with no real problems. I plugged a EVGA RTX 3050 into a 2009 Intel (model #950) first 4 core8 thread (3.33ghz) cpu with 10 gigs of mismatched ram that the mother board down clocked to 1033Mhz. Games like world of warships max setting 1080P 110 fps with. the frames dropped in heavy battles when lots of ships/ players in close, probably from the low ram speed and not the PCI3 bus. I ordered 2400Mhz ram that never showed for the review but could not add that part to the review. the 12400f with 3.2Ghz ram and the 3050 same game floats about 20-25 frames higher and has a very stable frame rate no matter the battle and or player base. Been using a 46" sony for a display since then 60Htz. it has basic up scaling and anti tearing tech in the PC mode on the TV so all games have Vsync on. World of war ships the GPU is 40% and the cpu is 10%. been trying that demo of enshrouded on high 1080p GPU load 95% ish cpu 30% ish Vsync on. Planning on getting a new TV for a display.. even the budget ones have gaming upscaling and anti tearing chips that add crazy performance/ sharpen the picture. It's kind of like compound Boost engines that have super chargers and turbos but on the cheap for video games.
I want to do the B660 + i5-13600K combo.
- Are you seeing any underperformance because voltage issues? (Motherboard not delivering enough?)
- Did you do custom setup from bios? (Undervolting?)
- How are the temps under HEAVY load? (I see it goes above 85C at one point even though you have a great cooler, is that an issue?)
Thank you mate.
Hi, that's a good idea since there is no sense in overclocking 13600k.
There were no performance issues, and the CPU was working at full power. Stable 5.1GHz on P-cores. But yeah, temps are terrible, but the reason for that was a small case with 4090, which had little space for air intake, so she was very hot as well. And Dark Rock Pro 4 had just one cooler out of two. So with a normal case and cooler, that will not be an issue. I tried to explain this in first part of video, check it in case you missed it.
If you buy B660 MB, make sure it has some radiators, don't take the cheapest one.
Regarding undervolting - I did not find a CPU offset voltage on my MB, but i found another solution for that - 06:43
I use undervolting for 13600K on my MSI B660 Tomahawk. Here are the steps to undervolt it on B660 (saw this in another video comment section).
1. Make sure your UEFI is updated to the latest version.
2. Boot into your UEFI > "Advanced (F7)" > "Overclocking" (OC)
2. Change "Microcode selection" to "No UVP"
3. In "Advanced CPU Configuration" change "CPU Lite Load " to "Mode 1" (optional, as it may just tank your performance even with no uvp enabled, at least for me it did)
4. Go back into "Overclocking" and change "CPU Core Voltage Offset Mode " to "- By CPU" and "CPU Core Voltage Offset" to "0.180" mine is stable at this value, or any other value that is stable for your system. Make sure to test stability with cinebench or other benchmarking software
5. Go to "DigitAll Power". Change "CPU Loadline Calibration Control" to "Mode 1"
60 degrees max with Tower cooler in Cyberpunk 2077 on ultra with RTX on.
i have a 12600kf and wanna upgrade to a 4070 ti super, will there be a bottleneck. playing on a 170 hz 1440p monitor ? hope you can help me :)
Nah, I think you should be fine. Keep it :)
You need the GPU to be 95 to 99% to rule out the other components as bottleneck.
So if I build new pc with i5-12400 and rtx 4080 and in the future i will go to at least for the 13600k,that will be good?
Yeah, of course. Go for it :)
At 4K, 12400 performance will be practically similar to 13600K though.
Most of the time - yes, but if you aim for 4k@120 and a more stable 1% fps, then you still need this upgrade for some games.
@@trysometech52 Right. For the moment though, my 4K TV is only 60Hz, so the non-K i5 should be fine.
Спасибо за видос. Почти такая же сборка 12400 + rtx 3080. Моник на 3.5К. Думаю из-за 10 фпс не буду переходить на новый проц.
А это нормально, что у тебя 13600 до 80 градусов греется с таким кулером мощным?
И ещё, спайдер мен ремастер не очень хорошо оптимизирована для работы с многопоточностью. Я в биосе отключил Hyper Threading и в игре стало 100+ fps.
И верно, 12400 ещё ого-го)
Касательно температур - в Dark Pro 4 должно стоять 2 кулера, а я смог только один подключить, этот момент я в видео показывал. Так что можно сказать, что кулер в пол силы работал) Но потом же я новый комп собрал в другом корпусе, теперь нет таких проблем с температурами) У меня если что есть видосы про это
Привет, crowbar! А как твой 12400 справляется в процессоро-зависимых играх? Например бф 42, тарков, и т.д.? Сколько кадров в среднем показывает? Разумеется, если у тебя есть такие данные. :D Если нет, то ладно.
Просто, я думаю свой 10400 обновить на 12400 (видеокарта 3070), но сколько тестов не смотрел, они выдают почти идентичный результат и упор в видеокарту...
Вот и думаю, может проще видеокарту сменить, чтобы получить сразу прирост, пускай и с небольшим боттлнеком. Потому что вываливать 50к на апгрейд платформы ради мизерного прироста (или вообще его отсутствия) не очень-то и хочется.
Столько тестов уже пересмотрел, и так и не решил ничего. :D
@@ravioli-ravioli Хелло!
У меня таких игр нет. Только Рдр2 и киберпанк проходил, 70фпс+ это 1440p и все на ультра.
Мне кажется 10400 для 3070 маловат как будто бы. Попробуй на 13400 поменять и докинуть оперативы.
Также можешь потестить свои игры с выключенным HT в биосе.
@@Crowbar402 у меня 2к монитор, так что мне наоборот 3070 не хватает для 10400. :D
Про 13400 что-то много неприятностей слышал, хз насколько он выгоден. Надо будет посмотреть эту тему.
Спасибо за ответ, в любом случае)
13400f actually does so much better then the 12400f it gets much closer to the 13600k in real world performance at 1440p ultra and 4k. Using a 13400f with a 4080 super mostly in 4k. And im happy af with it and feel no need to upgrade my cpu. The 4090 really is to powerful for any cpu but the 4080 super handles thede cpus pretty well. I meant the 13400f and up that is.
Again though I play 4k on pretty much everything. I will def be upgrading in the future not to long from noe.
Yeah for sure that a good CPU. I have a video where I compared 13500 and 14900K in 4K. Try to guess the result, lol
@trysometech52 ive been telling everyone this. I hate the scewed results from mainstream media. They sit here acting like a high end cpu is giving you 30fps in 4k. No joke idk how thwy test or get rhe numbers but they are always false imo. People then run to there affiliate links and boom. People fall for it all the time.
Just like the 7800x3d vs 14900k I'm sry the 7800x3d isn't getting 15 or 20fps more then the 14900k I've never seen it in person do that and never will. But as we all know amd pays content creators more then anybody else once you get om there list. No joke absurd amounts for reviews and not only that but they don't just send test samples they allow them to keep it. So yeah just something I always think about.
I don't mind it people should get stuff for doing things but the bias should not be in play and you shouldn't be scewing results. Its disguisting and so false. I watch real world users compare these cpus all the time and they are much much different then places like hardware unboxed.
Oh man, then you gonna like it - ruclips.net/video/CRvw-JxhOiU/видео.html
I never had 7800x3d to make my own benchmarks, but at least it cost way less than 14900k
@trysometech52 I like the cpu alpt but alot of false benchmarks especially showing it in 4k thats all.
But yeah I liked your video! No worries.
Nice.tired of all benchmark with i9 and ryzen 7 7800X3D.
Привет: совет - нужны графики после каждого теста, где наглядно видно цифры и сравнение, без этого сложно отследить реальную разницу и разобраться нормально
В самом первом видео трудно сделать всё идеально, но я старался) А в целом согласен
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@@trysometech52офигенно к произношение, я даже и не понял, что ты русскоговорящий 😅
@@shbdh1 (:
Was the 700w psu an issue at any point in time?
Absolutely not. I was calm because in most cases 4090 consumes way less power, check my other video on this topic. But even in a peak load i never had any issues
Great video and nice english 😇 I have a i5 12400f and rtx 4080 mostly play at 3440x1440 and some at 4k60, but was wondering if it Would be better something like 13600k or i7 12700f to get an extra fps boost and longevity, should I go for it?
Thank you!
I'd say it depends on your budget. But honestly, don't even think about 12700f :D It's the same gen, and the difference will not be that noticeable, especially on your resolution.
Maybe you should wait for a little and save some money? I mean, CPUs drop in price very well. Now we can buy 13700k for the starting price of 13600k. New Ryzen 7xxx3D is coming out soon, maybe they will also affect the price.
So if you don't have patience like me, go and grab 13600k, and it will be a good solution for you
Dont buy 12700k or 12700f!! 13600K is better and cheaper. Better Single Core Performance and better Cache.
dude you have 4090 money but no cash for a bigger case with more volume?
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@@trysometech52 I stand corrected.
I got the 12400f and think about getting the RTX 4080. What is your opinion on that? I want to play games at 1440p.
I think that depends on your budget and monitor refresh rate. If you need more stable FPS in an online heavy shooter like Battlefield 42, then I would say upgrade the CPU, but overall, 12400f should be enough, if you don't mind sometimes seeing ~80FPS in single games. Anyway in games like Witcher 3, Spiderman and Cyberpunk you can use Frame Generation, so you'll be fine :)
you are doing a test on a power supply that does not reach the permissible voltage for your connection because of this video card of yours it works at 65-90%, but maybe of course I’m wrong and you know better)
Ah okay. So for my current setup 12400F & 3200Mhz DRAM is enough for my next plan upgrade rtx 4070?
If I were you, I wouldn't bother and keep the current CPU :)
Of course, it depends on the games you play and the resolution of your monitor. More resolution - less CPU dependency
What about the 13400f? Would it be a good choice if only you're planning to game on nothing but 4K?
I would say yes, 13400f is a great option. But if you're aiming for high refresh rate at 4k, you might be better off with 13600k. Do you want to combine it with 4090?
@@trysometech52 yeah 13400f + 4090 +b660+DDR4 32GB 3600MHZ. for my 120hz 4K TV
@@zi2106zo actually it sounds like a plan. If I were you, I would try it.
Maybe sometimes 13600k will get +5-10% more fps, but it cost more\drains more watts
eed better cooling
@@trysometech52 really? 😮 Do you believe the build he mentioned is viable if no 1440p no 1080p?
@@ZiZo34344 yep, totally. He build it for 4K, so it should be fine
Thanks for this awesome comparison, 13600k it is.
currently on 12400f and rtx 3060ti. I will never buy something like a 4090, so the 10-20 FPS will melt more and more with a slower GPU. Maybe I will go for Ryzen 9600X in the future, to be ready for GTA 6 and Monsterhunter Wilds, coming in 2025/26
привет, какую материнку посоветуешь для i5 12400 ?
Привет! Возьми за основу материнку на B660 сокете. Её размер, тип памяти, наличие Wifi&Bluetooth и так далее уже зависят от твоих потребностей
i have a 12600kf and idk if i should upgrade or not to 13th gen. planing on buying a 4080 or 4090. great video
I would say it's better to keep your current CPU and save some money. Maybe next year?
@@trysometech52 yea probably
@@MrTurko64 Why you even consider an upgrade? The 12600kf should be fast enough for everything for many many years.
@@teeaymusik9811 unfortunatly its bottlenecking both of the 40 cards
@@MrTurko64 hmm, depending on the monitor I guess? It might be a bottleneck at FullHD, but I am not sure about 4k
Hi I would like to know if you have stuttering with rtx 4090 and i5 12400f , because i'm having stuttering with i5 12400 and rtx 4070super
my specs are:
i5 12400
rtx 4070 super
asrock phantom gaming 4 z690
2x8gb 2666 mhz
ssd nvme m.2 500gb
psu corsair 650w bronze plus
No, it was pretty good for me. Problem might be somewhere else
Hello! nice video!
I have a 3070 and will change it to 4070ti, do you recommend change my i5-12400f for the 13600kf?
Thank you!!
Hey, thanks!
I think it depends on the resolution and refresh rate of your monitor. What monitor do you have?
@@trysometech52 I will have 1440p 144/165hz, that is my upgrade
Then i guess you can have bottleneck in games like Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Battlefield 2042. But how important is that for you? Sometimes you'll get (for example) ~90 fps in single games, is that a problem to you? Obviously 13600k is better, but it's really up to you and your budget. I'd say keep it for a while, check fps in games that you usually play and compare it to someone other's test, and then decide you need it or not
@@trysometech52 thank you very much!!
Приветствую, сам играю в warzone 2, играю на full hd "10400f rtx 3060ti", фпс дропается до 70 бывает, (карточка нагружена 40-60℅, мне нужно хотя бы 110-120 кадров из-за частоты монитора. Стоит ли переходить на 12400? Даст ли он буст?)
Спасибо за ранее
Привет! Я практически уверен, что да, буст будет, ведь видяха у тебя, судя по всему, прохлаждается. 12400 хорош, он даже почти с 4090 справился, но также рекомендую посмотреть 13400, только я хз как в РФ сейчас c ценами и доступностью. Так как это уже другой сокет, соответственно и другая материнка, можно ещё посмотреть на 5600X (говоря о долгосроке - тут обновляться уже разве что на 5800X3D, в то время как на интеле можно обновляться вплоть до 13900к). АМ5 не предлагаю, ибо это уже совсем другая ценовая категория)
Ну а пока не обновился, попробуй найти процессорозависимые настройки и скрутить их, вдруг хоть немного поможет. Обнови БИОС на материнке (мне как-то на 12400 это дало неплохой буст), может быть оперативку можно немного разогнать получится и тоже несколько кадров выжать
@@trysometech52 частоту гнал на оперативке, не особо помогло, 13400 смотрел, типа этот 12600к переодетый, но если 12400ф бустануть, он не сильно отстаёт от 13 поколения
look at ur temp not only it is expensive its nearly spitting fire
What keyboard is that?
Keychron K8
I mentioned it in another video - ruclips.net/video/MvyFG8OyEn4/видео.html
those temps are acceptable xD 77 on gpu and 85 on cpu is a little toasty but still fine
well yeah :D
was fine for testing, but i fixed that problem later
I play 3440x1440 4070ti i512400f should i upgrade to 13600k ?
To be honest, I don't think so. But it depends on what games you play and how important 1% fps is to you.
The 13600k warms up a lot, so you will probably need a more powerful cooling system. Is it worth it?
It looks like Intel's 14th generation will be with the 1700 socket too, maybe there will be some better processor out there? I'd say wait for a better offer.
главное отличие этих процов это стабильность фпс и количество статтеров-просадок. для этого нужно выводить график фпс и сравнивать 0.1%. в целом, в нынешних играх 12400 еще вывозит
Пишу из будущего, в Starfield 12400 всё.
will i5 12400 bottleneck a 4090 rtx? at 1440p all stock?
Yes in some games it will be a bottleneck for sure
@@trysometech52 What is bottleneck anyways ? as long as cpu wont take damage Im Good right ?
@@Bubuu66 No damage at all, just your CPU can generate not enough frames for the GPU, and you GPU will not perform on 100% of its capabilities
@@trysometech52 i only have 144 hz monitor and will play on 1440p at max so I guess It doesn’t matter
Well, maybe you won't achieve 144 fps in some CPU demanding games. But in most of them you're fine
Very nice i actually ordered 13600K today upgrading from 12400 :) I got 4080 and 12400 is just not enough for it. What is shocking is that CPU bottleneck is possible at 4K lol it just shows how powerful those new nvidia cards are, 4080/90 are beasts though their pricetag could be lower ;)
True, it's unusual to see such powerful GPUs. And congratz with update, pretty good combo you got there :)
buys a 4090 buy cheaps out on a cpu....LOL
@@bullyakker 13600k works the same in 4k as any other CPU. Change my mind
@@trysometech52 I've already found 6 cores to be lacking.Change my mind! depends upon the game of course but 6 cores is for yesterday and today. 8 at least buys us a year or two
@@bullyakker 13600k has 14 cores / 20 threads
Would you see any difference at4k ?
Yes, I tested in 4k and saw the difference in the minimum and average fps. Not in all games, but we are talking about 60+ fps anyway. So if you have 4k@60, then you will not notice the difference. For example, in God of War average will be around 100fps, and on 13600k - ~120fps (as far as I remember)
@@trysometech52but you just have to oclc your 12400 to get same performance bro
Really? I'd like to see some benchmarks that will prove their same performance. I mean, I'd like to believe that but even 12600k lose sometimes at 4k to 13600k . And again, this is valid only if you target 120+ fps at 4k. To play 4k@60 you don't even need to OC 12400
@@trysometech52 yeah by oclk 12400 you got the same fps for 2 3 fps difference for me that i get the 4070 is obligatory in some game but yeah 4k 60 is the minimum
@@trysometech52 What are you guys talking about???, you can't overclock the 12400
Yes "BIG"diffference 10-15 FPS all well above 60... You realise that your eye can't register anything above 60 fps for most people anything above 40 fps is the same. If someone tells you he can register some difference between 60 and 120 fps he is lying to you. Thank you that you practicaly confirmed that for gaming you need 12400f and nothing more.
Only need a 12400F, maybe. It's the chip I have and it's awesome, and STILL the best budget gaming CPU. As for smoothness above 60fps, there's a huge difference. Have you ever compared a 60hz to 90hz to 120hz phone? Night and day. In my personal gaming tests since getting a 120hz OLED, I have found somewhere between 90-100fps to be the sweet spot, and while I'm hard pressed to "see" much difference above 100, I can "feel" it all the way up to the 120 maximum. Monitor tests in fast action scenes are even showing improvements above the 240hz "holy grail", though I don't have specs to test this far personally.
Когда нужно меньше 5 секунд, чтобы понять, что автор - русскоговорящий =)
(это не критика, если что ;)
:D
Зато если сравнить с последними видео, то можно даже заметить прогресс)
how about 4k gaming?
You're not the first who ask this. Long story short - if you target 4k@60, then you can stay with 12400
Good video man!
Привет! Как ты думаешь, сколько будет фпс если i5 12400f + rtx 3070ti ? UWQHD (3440x1440)
Привет! Ты имеешь в виду, справится ли 12400f с 3070ti? Да, наверняка.
@@trysometech52а что думаешь по поводу 4080
С i5 процессором?
@@FlyingAlexey в большинстве игр его будет достаточно, но иногда будет проседать, как с Ведьмаком 3 в моём видео. Если ты не гонишься за 100+ фпс в каждой игре как я, то можно смело его оставлять. Хотя в том же Ведьмаке если включить Frame Generation, то сразу улетит за 100фпс. Лично я с ним всю игру прошёл)
@@trysometech52 играть хочу только в бф 2042, и переживаю что с конфигурацией процессора i5 12400f не раскроет потенциал rtx 4070
@@FlyingAlexey ты в 3х разных комментах упоминаешь 3 разные видеокарты, о какой из них идёт речь то?)
Но в целом, если мы говорим про батлу, то да, лучше обновить проц. Будут более стабильные 100+ фпс, а на 12400 фпс иногда падает до 80
Good video
My new PC build was finished - ruclips.net/video/NAcAGLOJxXY/видео.html
U had to write in the title of the video that this video is actual only for 4k+ monitors.
It's UWQHD, meaning somewhere between 2k and 4k. But maybe you're right about the title
@@trysometech52 in 2k there also will be huge difference between 12400f and 13600k. Only in 4k the difference is not big
@@user-j9ki7r nah i tested few games without recording at 2k and "3k" and there was almost the same picture, 4090 is beast. Sometimes even at 4k we can see CPU bottleneck.
And it's hard to imagine a guy, who's gonna buy 4090 for 2k monitor, right? Even 3080 should be enough for that
@@trysometech52 i am waiting 4070 for 2k with 13600k stock
there's no way you went from 3050 to 4090 holy shit bro...
:D Yeah I know, it's crazy
at 4k 60 its the same?
Difference will be a bit less, but yeah, 13600k still wins there in some games
Thank you for the video! Unfortunately the 12400 could not truly be bottlenecked during your test there. In my opinion you don't benefit enought from the update to 13600K. Instead you could OC the 12400 and surpass performance of the next gen 13400: ruclips.net/video/Lk94Mre1V2c/видео.html
I don't know how fair that comparison was. Did he also use OC 13600K or not? How will games like The Witcher 3 or Battlefield 2024 behave? They are really demanding on the CPU.
Also, I used to not believe benchmarks without a hardware demo or captured gameplay. But at the same time I know that overclocked 12400 can show way better result :)
Now the sweet spot for me is 13500.
Why did this come up as an ad
I ask myself the same question :D
Just wanted to test, i guess
видосу год помогает до сих пор
Silent my ass, a had box cooler and that little shit was loud, bough bigger one for 30 euros, night and day diference
Man look at the low utilization for the gpu. This cpu isnt fast enough to feed the data to the gpu, bad combo.
13600K?
A ó kis magyar forint befigyel 0:54
шум 36 дб
Интереснее было бы в разгоне протестировать 12400