I pay a lot of money to do these videos and I pay a lot of money to have the testing done so the least you guys can do is every single person that watches this video give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down I don't really care to show some kind of support instead of flying by and not doing anything at all
What I think your doing Rich is opening a lot of people’s eyes of what’s out there. And I think it’s awesome👍🏼. Keep up the great videos and thank you for doing what you do.
Schaeffer recommends: Use 132 Moly EP Oil Treatment to pre-lube cams and lifters along with Break-In Oil for maximum flat- tappet break-in performance.
I use MolyEP in my 7.7qt coyote. 1pint for the whole 7.7 instead of mixing at the higher treat ratio they suggest. Basically turns the 5w30 into a 5w40. The base they use is extremely high quality. For having moly on the bottle it’s only in about the 50ppm range but what you won’t see with Blackstone is that it also contains 40-50ppm of antimony.
I've heard some owners of 28-20 F150 5L owners who experience noticeable oil burnoff have fixed it with a couple oil changes using a moly treatment. Basically the theory is the moly gets into the imperfections and pits in the factory plasma spray on lining and helps fill which keeps oil from escaping, and allowing the rings to seal properly. IDK my 18 5L doesn't experience noticeable oil burn off, but if yours does why not give it a shot. I've put this stuff in my 03 Lightning with 210K, and that engine still runs as smooth as my 18 5L. The only noise I don't like is I think one of the auxilary idler pulleys has a bearing that's starting to get a little noisy when cold. It happens occasionally, and a $10-$15 bearing replacement fixes the problem.
You are correct that Moly EP is best used in worn engines. Thats its design. An engine without a bunch of wear would be best served with just the oil. We did a cement mixer Cummins that leaked and had terrible blow by. We treated 1 pint to every 3 gallons of oil. It dried up in 1 week. Truck went from 220-250 hours on oil to 750 on first change as dictated by the oil analysis. Wish you had some used oil samples with and without to go along with this. Great video!
I ran it in a 2020 raptor since it was new, maxed out 93 tune and bolt ons. At 70k miles tuned the whole time, I never heard any cam phaser noise which was a factory recall, and only drained about 2” of oil through out its life out of the catch can, frankly amazing if you ask me. I was turned on to it by reher Morrison engine building school.
Rich I have been using Schaeffers for 40 years. Started out using it in my personal vehicles then in my commercial semis. My sales Rep in Central oregon Mike Hepworth does an Awesome job explaining which oil and what grade would benefit me for my use. I use all Schaeffer gear an transmission fluid in all 5hat I own. I use the Schaeffer Supreme 9000 5/40 full syn in my 2018 ford f150 3.5 eco boost my 2020 toyota 2.4 toyota camry and and two Cat C16 and one Cummins 600 horse 15 litre The cold flow rate is awesome it pours better than a majority of the 0wts.
I for one consider your videos as kind of a university course, supported by scientific testing, analysis, and your learned opinion. Your channel is one of the more unique ones dealing with these issues on a consistent basis. You have opened my eyes on the importance of lubrication in todays high tech systems. We have so many issues with todays engineered motors and drive trains, with out of warranty repairs being out of reach for many vehicle owners, that preventative measures is the best defense we have against catastrophic failures that we cannot manage to pay for. Our population is ageing with many seniors doing what they can to keep their last new vehicle on the road for the rest of their retired life. Your videos are the best guide I have found on making the best decisions I can on what goes into my vehicle. I deeply appreciate the effort. With great respect... Joe
I have been running the moly e.p. in my 04 dodge 4.7 since 2015 and put some serious long distance hauling from northern calif to southern baja about 20 trips and about as many trips from northern calif to idaho plus normal day to day driving. Regular maintenance and it has been the most reliable vehicle I have ever had. Runs as strong and tight as the day I got it. I have since used it in my other vehicles too with similar results.
Excellent video . I have used Schaefer’s for 24 years and thats all I will ever use . The moly is the secret sauce which makes it the best . Schaefer’s doesn’t advertise or sponsor nascar and put their money in the product
Schaeffer's is absolutely the best! You might be surprised to know how many Nascar teams use Schaeffer's! Even teams that have other oil company sponsors.
When I had my Jeep Wrangler 392, I switched to the Schaeffers on the 3rd oil change. Maybe it’s a mental thing or I was having delusions but I swear the Jeeps mileage jumped by 2-3 mpg. It’s also possible that I changed it at the transition of the motor being fully broken in but it did run a tad quieter. Schaeffers is pretty darn expensive so hopefully the benefits of using it will make sense. I’m going to run the last batch of the Pennz in my F-150 then may go back to the Schaeffers. Great vids Rich. Appreciate ya.
I have a 2011 F150 with the 5.0 engine and 126K miles. The engine used to do that typical typewriter noise (unrelated to the fuel rails). I poured a bottle of ATS Chemical 505-CRO in and closely followed their directions before my last oil change. This engine got oil changes every 3-5K historically at the dealer and I was amazed at how much carbon came out when I drained the oil myself this time. The engine even ran better and better as I was circulating the additive cleaner 505-CRO. I replaced the oil with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 and of course used the Motorcraft filter and was astounded at the difference the cleaner and new oil made. The typewriter noise is barely there now and I'm not getting much oil consumption if any. Checked my oil level after 1K miles and the level was still good. Made a huge improvement. You might consider reviewing their products at some point. Otherwise thanks for the videos, I've found them to be very helpful and may God Bless your day.
Really great watching your videos. Being able to learn about the difference in oil brands and additives. Oil was always oil until I saw your explanations and breakdowns.
I'd like to see more on additives. As an idiot, I feel like I'm looking at snake oil - or in this case - something that might be less than ideal for my motor at this point in it's life.
That's really amazing results. It actually would b perfect for certain scenerios when u don't want high viscosity across the board but only when really hot. I actually have a vehicle that I rebuilt the entire engine twice (too much to list) very careful and ocd. But it has a super low oil pressure only when it's 100 degrees outside. I already bumped the oil weight up to 20/50 with 20.8 viscosity which is one of the highest 20/50's. It runs perfect with high oil pressure all year until it's 100 and I'm at idle. I also went in the ecm and bumped idle up 275 rpms. And my thermostat is removed and it runs much cooler. I drive around w my scan tool monitoring everything. So in this one situation where I only want bumped up oil pressure when real hot.... This sounds perfect. But I do agree that it's a case by case basis w many factors. Thank u for the video. Appreciate u.
Gave you a thumbs-up Rich. This oil additive looks like it might be "okay" for a hot climate, but not good for a colder climate, especially in a sub-zero climate with a lot of snow and freezing morning starts. That 10W60 just doesn't sound good for those very cold climates. Better to stick to a 5W20 or 5W30. But that Schaeffer 9000 oil looks like a real high quality product! It's so good you don't need to add any extra oil additive--it looks just fine just on its own.
Hit the like and I’ll go one more Saw the video Got some moly ep Added it to my 1992 ranger 3.0 OH DAMN! This truck has never run so smoothly in the 12 years I have had it Rich, I personally say thank you for investing your hard earned money to bring to us these amazing products I would never have know about this additive with out you SALUTE 🫡!
@@mr.joshuah1412 no doubt schaffers oil and EP. Is good stuff ! I been running valvoline VR1 with a few ozs of motorkote. 648,000 miles unrebuilt engine and runs great !
Looks like the Moly EP product acts something like Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer...kicks the viscosity up a notch...or two. Good to know. Thanks for sending it out and getting it lab tested! I have an older car that would benefit from it. Appreciate your efforts.
I run Shaffer's products in all my honda performance builds and every product is impressive. I haven't ran molly ep yet but it's nice to know what it's about.
I love watching these and learning, but I went to a line of thinking after buying my first new truck. I'm going to pay the dealer for the maintenance. Ford designed the engine and tested it around their lubes, and that's good enough for me. I have had friends damage engines (these friends are NOT on your level, bear that in mind) by using after-market oils and additives. My 6.7L diesel costs what, $15,000? You can buy a small car for that! This is why I let Ford deal with it. If they break it, it's on them. Having said that, I have a great dealer and their diesel guy is VERY good. Maybe not A-Rod level, but good. I'd trust you with my 2001 Ranger any day. Thanks for your time and money. I suppose if I ever get enough money where I can recover if I screw up my ride, I'll try some of these oils you tested and found to be good. This one blows my mind with how thick it got!
I'm considering a change from Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 to Schaffer 5W-40 for my 2018 F-350 6.7L diesel. I'm curious how increasing the viscosity of the oil using the Schaffer oil additive affects the oil flow. The last thing you want is reduced oil flow. I think I'll pass on the additive but using Schaffer oil is certainly a possibility for me. BTW, I've had no problems at all using Rotella other than availability at times.
I wonder how this would perform in older engines (50's, 60's, 70's) but may have blow- by or ring sealing issues. Especially now that NOS rebuild parts are getting scarce
I’ve use Schaffers multiple times with excellent results. I have a carbureted engine in my Camaro and it gained idle ran cooler. I had to actually adjust the idle lower because it was producing a better ring seal on the cylinder walls. Does not surprise me with Schaffers. I wish it was just a little more affordable.
I agree with you, in an older worn engine this would help but with modern engines with VVt and stuff, I wonder if it would be too thick and cause problems ?
i'd think it would slows down the reaction time of the VVT itself unless it was a specialized unit like older BMW S series engine where the VVT unit uses additional high pressure oil pump. but then, they specified to use 10W60 from the get go. i wonder how thick 10W60 became with this additive
Guy……I’ll give you a thumbs up every SINGLE TIME!!!!!!! you helped me out with my 1.5 eco dousche…..I mean boost…….🤣🤣🤣……been a ford man my whole life….actually related to the!!!…..Dick Brannan!!! Factory ford racer from the 60s, who ran the 427 thunder bolts…..up until the eco boosts….I bled blue……after that …..with much shame and disgust…….I cannot stand behind ford products any longer. Long gone is Henry’s dream of a car that everyone could afford to have…..a reliable, and quality product……unfortunately. But I STILL won’t own a effin chebby!!!!!
Just a thought... Find someone with a well worn, last legs, junkyard bound engine and do a 10,000 mile, 2 oil change test, running this stuff. May scope the engine, as best as possible before the additive. That'd be awesome! Then a tear down afterwards.
Please, please do a test on Ceratec.....it's another Moly based additive and is very popular with Coyote guys...I don't think it will have the thickening properties.... u r The Man !!!
Thanks Rich. I actually ordered some Schaeffers 9000 after your last video. Anyway I think that Moly EP additive also has antimony in it. Something Blackstone does not test for, but that was years ago when I last saw an analysis of it. Anyway with Schaeffer’s reputation I would not hesitate to use it. Might be like icing on the cake when added to any good quality engine oil. Thanks again.
Yes it does have Antimony. At least the Schaeffer 0W-20 does that I use in my '22 Subaru Crosstrek. Around 50ppm of it shows up in every UOA that I've done so far.🤙 I used Blackstone for years but switched to Oil Analyzers because Blackstone's fuel dilution numbers are not accurate. They read low. Oil Analyzers does test for Antimony. That's how I know that Schaeffer has it in the additive package.
Thanks for the review been waiting to see this one. I personally have been using schaeffer products for a long time. The chevy cobalt i drive back and forth to work everyday has been getting this stuff since i got it and i have not had to do any major engine repairs and getting close to 300,000 miles. My coworker use lucas in his 14 silverado with mobile 1 0 w20 lol and he hasnt had any major engine reapir either. I know of transmission repair shops using higher quality mercon v instead of lv or the ulv (ford) dex 6 or hplv (chevy) with good results. Not saying do this either. I have my conspiracies about stuff like this. I like to think manufacturers dont always engineer cars for longevity especially these days. They are only engineered to satisfy the epa.
On the bottle, it says the stuff plates to the engine parts. I think once it plates to the engine the thickness issue goes away I use it all the time in my little Honda Fit. I put 3 oz in with the oil change of Shaeffer's 0W20 after 10000 miles. Blackstone says my viscositieswere dead on for a 0w-20 oil. I like how the Molly ep gives me better gas mileage and really quiets down a noisy engine in the fit. Blackstone also said that my ware medals were much lower than a regular seventy five hundred mile oil changes in other customers same engine I have a 150000 miles on this engine and it feels exactly like it did when it was brand new. Full power
I feel like it's made well for worn engines or engines that could use thicker oil as they warm up if people are looking for extra life it would be great
I put 1 quart of Lucas which is thick like this and it wouldn't flow back fast enough and made engine sound like it knocked I did this test in 2 subarus with same results with this being said I wouldn't try any thick additive in any opposed engine.
Hi there. Thanks again for what u do. I left a few other comments last week. But I talked to Schaeffers about the base formula for the Moly ep and they said it was pao. Not Petroleum or ester. They also said it didn't have Antimony but a small amount of zinc and Moly. I've seen other voas that said it did have Antimony. So honestly I don't know what the truth is. She said it's mainly a VI improver. But at least it gives people an option if they want to thicken w a pao or Petroleum. So there's that for what it's worth to anyone. Thanks again. Have a great day
This is very interesting to see what the additives can do to the oil! I think that it's better used on a worn engine, though. You never know until you try it and what would you have to lose at that point right?
Very interesting. I wonder how the EP tests by itself. Viscosity wise and such. I'm willing to bet you could possibly run that straight in your engine(not recommending anybody do that) very very interesting the way the results came out. Need to talk to lake speed about that.
I been putting that in my Chevy truck for a few years now cause it has over 300,000 miles on it and I went from adding 3 qt between oil changes to about half of a qt now
So Shaefers Molly EP additive was not designed for their oils. It was designed for other company's oils. I called up their oil engineer and asked them about that. I was told if you put it in their oil it would have too much molly. Maybe a better test would be with some Lucas synthetic oil and the Molly EP.
There's a couple people here that want me to reduce the amount of additive that I put in the test vial so I'm going to go back and do it again and put half the additive in there because people want to argue about s*** they want to see it done a little bit different so I'm going to give them what they want
Based on what I see on the Ford Forums with the Coyote engine it may cause trouble. There seems to be quite a few people with VCT issues and stalling at idle. As I read the issue it seems to be because they get gunked up over 100k. I imagine this would make it worse. But I have no real idea just taking it all at face value. Thanks for the video always enjoy them!
I started having the startup rattle on my 14 F-150 with EcoBoost so I switched from motorcraft oil to Amsoil and I haven't had an issue in over 2 years now also I have always used shell premium because of all the detergents in their premium gas I don't know if any of this makes a difference at all or if it's all in my head but at least it makes me feel better at the end of the day LOL
Have you ever heard of hydrotex out of OK? They make a fuel additive that is supposed to help water bond to fuel to burn and an oil additive to help with viscosity breakdown,rings, blowby, and seals.
I think on a new or young engine that see temperature swings this would definitely make it an old engine quickly just from trying to pump maple syrup on start up. Older looser toleranced engines though I believe it would work great for.
Just my opinion but I like the ideal of using just a great oil like ultra and changing at 5 k miles and not spending any money on any additives. Just my 2 cents
Excellent, Great video, I used STP oil treatment in the past. Is it possible to see Schaeffer’s Supreme 9000 5W-30 and Pennzoil ultra-platinum 5w30 compared or if you have the test results. I’m using your advice on the type of oil for my 4000 mile oil change. I have a 2018, F150, 5.0.
I wouldn’t use it in a car or truck in warranty or even one that was in good shape. It’s probably worth in an engine with 250,000 miles and uses a lot of oil, to get a few more miles out of it.
i learned something about the 2021 ford xlt after a 3 day blizzard and ice and snow.man my truck whent into a frizzy.snowplow whent by one night raked a bunch of ice and snow buried my back bumber and it froze solid next day backing it up instant.i got errors on my 12 inch screen it said reverse breaking is disabiled see manual.it did that for days.finally took it to carwash to get ice off and message whent away
Honestly, curious if it could stop the ticking noise on a 2013 Chevy Silverado? I have tried the Marvel mystery, the rislone engine treatment, and the BG MOA,
I used to run that oil in a couple super duty's and a twin turbo cap car. It was butter at first but I felt it got beat up and lost the smoothness after a few thousand miles. Hell, even mobile 1 didn't do that to me. Gave up on it after a few years of using it. Never tried the additive. Went with fords full synthetic for the duty and liking pennsoils oils made from natural gas in my current car, an 08 vette.
I have a 2003 Silverado over 350,000 uses no oil.. Had been using their oil. Lifters started clicking. Had them changed. After the mechanic got it back together. They were still clicking. The oil pump had failed. How long it had not been pumping. I do not know. But I think if the Mechanic had just replaced the oil pump it probably would have been ok. A lifter job does not come cheap!! Can not remember what else they replace. Silverado Still going. Put this treatment in a 2000 LT1000 Crafts man mower. Was using a good bit of oil . Not any more. Still have the mower.
Your ratio might have been a bit high. Its a 10:1 ratio. Using a gram scale to get exact #s would have been better. 200g oil 20g additive.not trying to burn on ya. You do amazing work. Just thinking out loud. Thank you for the wonderful advise and knowledge you pass on brother.
It wasn't High because it said you can put it in there four to five parts so your statement is off I made sure that no matter how I put it in there that it was between 4 to 5 it says it treats 4 to 5 quarts I don't know how that's not understandable It was put in to accommodate the middle of treating four to five quarts
@@FordBossMe The bottle reads "add 1 pint to every 4 to 5 quarts." 1 pint is half a quart so that's between 8:1 and 10:1. Your ratio looked like about 5:1 but, admittedly, it's a bit hard to see in the video. That said, I'm not sure thickening the oil that much is a good idea on VVT engines anyway.
@@johnaclark1 You upset the Boss. Keep your observations to yourself. Do not come here and try to correct the Boss unless you are willing to do the review yourself.
Was the mix ratio correct in the testing? If 1 pint to 4-5 quarts, then 1 part EP to 8-10 parts oil. In your vial, it really looked like 1 part EP to 4-5 parts oil, which would be twice the recommended ratio, unless I misunderstood something. I really appreciate all of your oil testing.
Sounds Like that Stuff Turns the Oil Into a RACING OIL???? Not sure if the Regular Joe that Put's this in his NEW (Whatever) know's what it's doing to his Oil / Oil Change. Don't think I'd be putting this Into My Ne F-150. (Might help The Phaser Issues)?????? Bu, toooooo Thick I Think. Maybe an old 57 Ford With a Worn 312 ThunderBird Special???? Maybe???...
This Schaeffers 5W30????? It tested Better than the AMSOIL did in how many Areas. Project Farm had the AMSOIL in His testing Beating out Everything he Tried Inc Pennzoil Ultra Plat, and the Schaeffers?? Curious about the Areas where the Schaeffers was better in because it didn't make it to the Show in His Testing. It got Beat out be the Pennzoil Ultra Plat, then AMSOIL beat out the Penz.
Its funny, I am a Canadian and i have never heard of the Schafer's oil brand. From your oil test results it seem to be quite an impressive product for a worn engine. I think that company needs to get into the good old American Marketing game. Great Video by the way, thanks for the info.
No no no no no let's go even further than that I don't think you're quite explaining it like it should be explained The regular Schaefer's 9000 premium full synthetic is good for any engine But the EP additive should be used in A Worn engine or an application that can use some higher shear thicker viscosity
David I have used Schaeffers for 40 years. Schaeffers has been around since the 1840s St Louis Missouri The Wagons that went west on the Oregon trail had Schaeffers grease on the wagon wheels. They do not want to play the advertising game.
So that was a 1:4 ratio which is double the recommended amount. You did the equivalent to 1qt Moly EP to 4qt oil. 1pint per 4-5qts. A pint is half a quart. Prob why it tested so much higher viscosity.
I pay a lot of money to do these videos and I pay a lot of money to have the testing done so the least you guys can do is every single person that watches this video give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down I don't really care to show some kind of support instead of flying by and not doing anything at all
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I enjoy, and appreciate these videos
I have yet to give a thumbs down, always up. I learn to much on here.
Always do! God bless!
What I think your doing Rich is opening a lot of people’s eyes of what’s out there. And I think it’s awesome👍🏼. Keep up the great videos and thank you for doing what you do.
Schaeffer recommends: Use 132 Moly EP Oil Treatment to pre-lube cams and lifters along with Break-In Oil for maximum flat-
tappet break-in performance.
I use MolyEP in my 7.7qt coyote. 1pint for the whole 7.7 instead of mixing at the higher treat ratio they suggest. Basically turns the 5w30 into a 5w40. The base they use is extremely high quality. For having moly on the bottle it’s only in about the 50ppm range but what you won’t see with Blackstone is that it also contains 40-50ppm of antimony.
Gotta agree with you on possibly being a benefit to an worn engine, but sticking with the straight oil for new.
I've heard some owners of 28-20 F150 5L owners who experience noticeable oil burnoff have fixed it with a couple oil changes using a moly treatment. Basically the theory is the moly gets into the imperfections and pits in the factory plasma spray on lining and helps fill which keeps oil from escaping, and allowing the rings to seal properly. IDK my 18 5L doesn't experience noticeable oil burn off, but if yours does why not give it a shot. I've put this stuff in my 03 Lightning with 210K, and that engine still runs as smooth as my 18 5L. The only noise I don't like is I think one of the auxilary idler pulleys has a bearing that's starting to get a little noisy when cold. It happens occasionally, and a $10-$15 bearing replacement fixes the problem.
You are correct that Moly EP is best used in worn engines. Thats its design. An engine without a bunch of wear would be best served with just the oil.
We did a cement mixer Cummins that leaked and had terrible blow by. We treated 1 pint to every 3 gallons of oil. It dried up in 1 week. Truck went from 220-250 hours on oil to 750 on first change as dictated by the oil analysis. Wish you had some used oil samples with and without to go along with this. Great video!
I think I will try ep next oil change and compare, I’m at 8000 miles in my sequoia. I’ll send in analysis on both. Using 5/20 Schaeffers 9000
Please test motorkote. I would really like to see the numbers. Thank you keep up the great work.
I ran it in a 2020 raptor since it was new, maxed out 93 tune and bolt ons. At 70k miles tuned the whole time, I never heard any cam phaser noise which was a factory recall, and only drained about 2” of oil through out its life out of the catch can, frankly amazing if you ask me. I was turned on to it by reher Morrison engine building school.
Rich I have been using Schaeffers for 40 years. Started out using it in my personal vehicles then in my commercial semis. My sales Rep in Central oregon Mike Hepworth does an Awesome job explaining which oil and what grade would benefit me for my use. I use all Schaeffer gear an transmission fluid in all 5hat I own. I use the Schaeffer Supreme 9000 5/40 full syn in my 2018 ford f150 3.5 eco boost my 2020 toyota 2.4 toyota camry and and two Cat C16 and one Cummins 600 horse 15 litre The cold flow rate is awesome it pours better than a majority of the 0wts.
I for one consider your videos as kind of a university course, supported by scientific testing, analysis, and your learned opinion. Your channel is one of the more unique ones dealing with these issues on a consistent basis. You have opened my eyes on the importance of lubrication in todays high tech systems. We have so many issues with todays engineered motors and drive trains, with out of warranty repairs being out of reach for many vehicle owners, that preventative measures is the best defense we have against catastrophic failures that we cannot manage to pay for. Our population is ageing with many seniors doing what they can to keep their last new vehicle on the road for the rest of their retired life. Your videos are the best guide I have found on making the best decisions I can on what goes into my vehicle. I deeply appreciate the effort. With great respect... Joe
I have been running the moly e.p. in my 04 dodge 4.7 since 2015 and put some serious long distance hauling from northern calif to southern baja about 20 trips and about as many trips from northern calif to idaho plus normal day to day driving. Regular maintenance and it has been the most reliable vehicle I have ever had. Runs as strong and tight as the day I got it. I have since used it in my other vehicles too with similar results.
We’ve used Schaeffer’s here on the farm for years. Their grease is unsurpassed.
For a Moly, it sure has a pretty blue color. I'm more accustomed to the black goo you get with LiquiMoly.
Thank you for all you do for the automotive community and us DIYers. HOOOAH, from a Marine.
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Awesome, I have used this before in my wifes 2008 buick Enclave. Engine runs great and none of the famous gm 3.6 timing chain stretch issue.
Now with that set after this video I will not be using this additive in my 2012 mustang, But for my wife who puts around its great.
Excellent video . I have used Schaefer’s for 24 years and thats all I will ever use . The moly is the secret sauce which makes it the best . Schaefer’s doesn’t advertise or sponsor nascar and put their money in the product
Schaeffer's is absolutely the best! You might be surprised to know how many Nascar teams use Schaeffer's! Even teams that have other oil company sponsors.
back when you first started, I signed up to donate to the cause, happy to see all of these videos. my donation is small compared to your outlay.
When I had my Jeep Wrangler 392, I switched to the Schaeffers on the 3rd oil change. Maybe it’s a mental thing or I was having delusions but I swear the Jeeps mileage jumped by 2-3 mpg. It’s also possible that I changed it at the transition of the motor being fully broken in but it did run a tad quieter. Schaeffers is pretty darn expensive so hopefully the benefits of using it will make sense. I’m going to run the last batch of the Pennz in my F-150 then may go back to the Schaeffers. Great vids Rich. Appreciate ya.
I have a 2011 F150 with the 5.0 engine and 126K miles. The engine used to do that typical typewriter noise (unrelated to the fuel rails). I poured a bottle of ATS Chemical 505-CRO in and closely followed their directions before my last oil change. This engine got oil changes every 3-5K historically at the dealer and I was amazed at how much carbon came out when I drained the oil myself this time. The engine even ran better and better as I was circulating the additive cleaner 505-CRO. I replaced the oil with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 and of course used the Motorcraft filter and was astounded at the difference the cleaner and new oil made. The typewriter noise is barely there now and I'm not getting much oil consumption if any. Checked my oil level after 1K miles and the level was still good. Made a huge improvement.
You might consider reviewing their products at some point. Otherwise thanks for the videos, I've found them to be very helpful and may God Bless your day.
Really great watching your videos. Being able to learn about the difference in oil brands and additives. Oil was always oil until I saw your explanations and breakdowns.
Thank you!
I'd like to see more on additives. As an idiot, I feel like I'm looking at snake oil - or in this case - something that might be less than ideal for my motor at this point in it's life.
Dude, you are killing it with the VOA's...very much appreciated. Cheers and God bless
That's really amazing results. It actually would b perfect for certain scenerios when u don't want high viscosity across the board but only when really hot. I actually have a vehicle that I rebuilt the entire engine twice (too much to list) very careful and ocd. But it has a super low oil pressure only when it's 100 degrees outside. I already bumped the oil weight up to 20/50 with 20.8 viscosity which is one of the highest 20/50's. It runs perfect with high oil pressure all year until it's 100 and I'm at idle. I also went in the ecm and bumped idle up 275 rpms. And my thermostat is removed and it runs much cooler. I drive around w my scan tool monitoring everything.
So in this one situation where I only want bumped up oil pressure when real hot.... This sounds perfect. But I do agree that it's a case by case basis w many factors. Thank u for the video. Appreciate u.
Would be interesting to see the same test with Lucas and STP ! Thanks Rich for all your hard work !…..
Project farm and uncle Tony did both of those respectively in their own way.
I have to try it in my old 350 Corvette motor might give it some longevity! Where do you buy the product in the USA?
Lucas is nothing more than a viscosity improver. IE: just makes oil thicker.
@@redmesa2975oil thicker with tacafier Schaeffer's EP doesn't have tacafier. Tacafier creates heat!
Schaeffer's is fantastic oil but I'd also highly recommend Tribodyn oil. Pricey but worth it.
Send that to The Motor Oil Geek, Lake Speed Jr.
good call for a older engine just like the stp red or blue bottles additive
Gave you a thumbs-up Rich. This oil additive looks like it might be "okay" for a hot climate, but not good for a colder climate, especially in a sub-zero climate with a lot of snow and freezing morning starts. That 10W60 just doesn't sound good for those very cold climates. Better to stick to a 5W20 or 5W30. But that Schaeffer 9000 oil looks like a real high quality product! It's so good you don't need to add any extra oil additive--it looks just fine just on its own.
Hit the like and I’ll go one more
Saw the video
Got some moly ep
Added it to my 1992 ranger 3.0
OH DAMN!
This truck has never run so smoothly in the 12 years I have had it
Rich, I personally say thank you for investing your hard earned money to bring to us these amazing products
I would never have know about this additive with out you
SALUTE 🫡!
My only guess would be to just use 1/2 as much of the EP as instructed ! but agree that would be good for a worn engine or a diesel engine !
I run one pint of EP to my lml duramax oil change at 10ish quarts. I use Schaffers 15w-40 durability advantage. Zero oil consumption too.
@@mr.joshuah1412 no doubt schaffers oil and EP. Is good stuff ! I been running valvoline VR1 with a few ozs of motorkote. 648,000 miles unrebuilt engine and runs great !
@@scottymoondogjakubin4766 motorkote is chlorinated napthalene, not putting that corrosive in my engines...
Looks like the Moly EP product acts something like Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer...kicks the viscosity up a notch...or two. Good to know. Thanks for sending it out and getting it lab tested! I have an older car that would benefit from it. Appreciate your efforts.
Thank you for your content I appreciate it and sure others do aswell. Hopefully you don't get discouraged by the fly byers not engaging.
I run Shaffer's products in all my honda performance builds and every product is impressive. I haven't ran molly ep yet but it's nice to know what it's about.
Hey a crazy controversial additive right now is ATS 505 CRO engine cleaner or crf gas additive.
I think it's fine for what you said. Old worn out engines but absolutely not for newer engines that have no issues.
Would be cool to see other oil additives, im curious on stp ceramic oil treatment, and lucas low viscosity stabilizer
Very interesting. I appreciate the information and all you invest to get it and share with the community.
I would only use on a very very worn engine.
Thanks!
I love watching these and learning, but I went to a line of thinking after buying my first new truck. I'm going to pay the dealer for the maintenance. Ford designed the engine and tested it around their lubes, and that's good enough for me. I have had friends damage engines (these friends are NOT on your level, bear that in mind) by using after-market oils and additives. My 6.7L diesel costs what, $15,000? You can buy a small car for that! This is why I let Ford deal with it. If they break it, it's on them. Having said that, I have a great dealer and their diesel guy is VERY good. Maybe not A-Rod level, but good. I'd trust you with my 2001 Ranger any day.
Thanks for your time and money. I suppose if I ever get enough money where I can recover if I screw up my ride, I'll try some of these oils you tested and found to be good. This one blows my mind with how thick it got!
I'm considering a change from Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 to Schaffer 5W-40 for my 2018 F-350 6.7L diesel. I'm curious how increasing the viscosity of the oil using the Schaffer oil additive affects the oil flow. The last thing you want is reduced oil flow. I think I'll pass on the additive but using Schaffer oil is certainly a possibility for me. BTW, I've had no problems at all using Rotella other than availability at times.
I wonder how this would perform in older engines (50's, 60's, 70's) but may have blow- by or ring sealing issues. Especially now that NOS rebuild parts are getting scarce
I’ve use Schaffers multiple times with excellent results. I have a carbureted engine in my Camaro and it gained idle ran cooler. I had to actually adjust the idle lower because it was producing a better ring seal on the cylinder walls. Does not surprise me with Schaffers. I wish it was just a little more affordable.
I agree with you, in an older worn engine this would help but with modern engines with VVt and stuff, I wonder if it would be too thick and cause problems ?
i'd think it would slows down the reaction time of the VVT itself unless it was a specialized unit like older BMW S series engine where the VVT unit uses additional high pressure oil pump. but then, they specified to use 10W60 from the get go. i wonder how thick 10W60 became with this additive
Interesting 🤔 Thank you for the info. 🥂
That cat meow at the start of the video hahahha. You made a video on bg per and moa and those things worked great
Been using Schaeffer oil on all my heavy duty equipment. IMO, its the best.
Guy……I’ll give you a thumbs up every SINGLE TIME!!!!!!! you helped me out with my 1.5 eco dousche…..I mean boost…….🤣🤣🤣……been a ford man my whole life….actually related to the!!!…..Dick Brannan!!! Factory ford racer from the 60s, who ran the 427 thunder bolts…..up until the eco boosts….I bled blue……after that …..with much shame and disgust…….I cannot stand behind ford products any longer. Long gone is Henry’s dream of a car that everyone could afford to have…..a reliable, and quality product……unfortunately. But I STILL won’t own a effin chebby!!!!!
Rich, Love the videos brother. Keep them coming.
Just a thought... Find someone with a well worn, last legs, junkyard bound engine and do a 10,000 mile, 2 oil change test, running this stuff. May scope the engine, as best as possible before the additive. That'd be awesome! Then a tear down afterwards.
Please, please do a test on Ceratec.....it's another Moly based additive and is very popular with Coyote guys...I don't think it will have the thickening properties.... u r The Man !!!
Thanks Rich. I actually ordered some Schaeffers 9000 after your last video. Anyway I think that Moly EP additive also has antimony in it. Something Blackstone does not test for, but that was years ago when I last saw an analysis of it.
Anyway with Schaeffer’s reputation I would not hesitate to use it. Might be like icing on the cake when added to any good quality engine oil.
Thanks again.
Moly EP is amazing in small engines. Just a tad…and yes it is Antimony…which is an amazing friction reducer.
@@duanemcquillin9343 thanks for sharing and I am going to try it out next oil change. 👍
Yes it does have Antimony. At least the Schaeffer 0W-20 does that I use in my '22 Subaru Crosstrek. Around 50ppm of it shows up in every UOA that I've done so far.🤙 I used Blackstone for years but switched to Oil Analyzers because Blackstone's fuel dilution numbers are not accurate. They read low. Oil Analyzers does test for Antimony. That's how I know that Schaeffer has it in the additive package.
@@SuggonDeizNutz thanks for the information. 👍
How much antamony does it show in the zero w twenty
Thanks for the review been waiting to see this one. I personally have been using schaeffer products for a long time. The chevy cobalt i drive back and forth to work everyday has been getting this stuff since i got it and i have not had to do any major engine repairs and getting close to 300,000 miles. My coworker use lucas in his 14 silverado with mobile 1 0 w20 lol and he hasnt had any major engine reapir either. I know of transmission repair shops using higher quality mercon v instead of lv or the ulv (ford) dex 6 or hplv (chevy) with good results. Not saying do this either. I have my conspiracies about stuff like this. I like to think manufacturers dont always engineer cars for longevity especially these days. They are only engineered to satisfy the epa.
On the bottle, it says the stuff plates to the engine parts. I think once it plates to the engine the thickness issue goes away
I use it all the time in my little Honda Fit. I put 3 oz in with the oil change of Shaeffer's 0W20 after 10000 miles. Blackstone says my viscositieswere dead on for a 0w-20 oil. I like how the Molly ep gives me better gas mileage and really quiets down a noisy engine in the fit. Blackstone also said that my ware medals were much lower than a regular seventy five hundred mile oil changes in other customers same engine I have a 150000 miles on this engine and it feels exactly like it did when it was brand new. Full power
Thanks! For everything you do sir your awesome
I feel like it's made well for worn engines or engines that could use thicker oil as they warm up if people are looking for extra life it would be great
You don't want that in modern motors that require 0w20 or 5w20.
I put 1 quart of Lucas which is thick like this and it wouldn't flow back fast enough and made engine sound like it knocked I did this test in 2 subarus with same results with this being said I wouldn't try any thick additive in any opposed engine.
Hi there. Thanks again for what u do. I left a few other comments last week. But I talked to Schaeffers about the base formula for the Moly ep and they said it was pao. Not Petroleum or ester. They also said it didn't have Antimony but a small amount of zinc and Moly. I've seen other voas that said it did have Antimony. So honestly I don't know what the truth is. She said it's mainly a VI improver. But at least it gives people an option if they want to thicken w a pao or Petroleum. So there's that for what it's worth to anyone. Thanks again. Have a great day
Or super hot climate like arizona summer.
This is very interesting to see what the additives can do to the oil! I think that it's better used on a worn engine, though. You never know until you try it and what would you have to lose at that point right?
I'm using this in my 86 Comanche 2.5, 325,000 miles
Very interesting. I wonder how the EP tests by itself. Viscosity wise and such. I'm willing to bet you could possibly run that straight in your engine(not recommending anybody do that) very very interesting the way the results came out. Need to talk to lake speed about that.
I been putting that in my Chevy truck for a few years now cause it has over 300,000 miles on it and I went from adding 3 qt between oil changes to about half of a qt now
That's great but it doesn't change the info I put out
So Shaefers Molly EP additive was not designed for their oils. It was designed for other company's oils. I called up their oil engineer and asked them about that. I was told if you put it in their oil it would have too much molly. Maybe a better test would be with some Lucas synthetic oil and the Molly EP.
There's a couple people here that want me to reduce the amount of additive that I put in the test vial so I'm going to go back and do it again and put half the additive in there because people want to argue about s*** they want to see it done a little bit different
so I'm going to give them what they want
Do you think the test will have the same results better or worse?
I concur, 1 pint to 4 quarts works out to 1 pint to 8 pints.
Based on what I see on the Ford Forums with the Coyote engine it may cause trouble. There seems to be quite a few people with VCT issues and stalling at idle. As I read the issue it seems to be because they get gunked up over 100k. I imagine this would make it worse. But I have no real idea just taking it all at face value. Thanks for the video always enjoy them!
I started having the startup rattle on my 14 F-150 with EcoBoost so I switched from motorcraft oil to Amsoil and I haven't had an issue in over 2 years now also I have always used shell premium because of all the detergents in their premium gas I don't know if any of this makes a difference at all or if it's all in my head but at least it makes me feel better at the end of the day LOL
@@randywheeler3914 Nice, I do the exact same thing as you. Amsoil signature series, shell, premium.
Maybe it will help vehicles that burn oil because the engine is worn out
Iam wondering if the additive moly would effect VVT solenoids. 🧐🤔
Appreciate the work Rich
Appreciate the testing and sharing..
I retail Schaeffers Oil, the best oil I've ever sold and will continue to sell as long as they continue they high quality standards!
Love the video! Really great information!!
Have you ever heard of hydrotex out of OK? They make a fuel additive that is supposed to help water bond to fuel to burn and an oil additive to help with viscosity breakdown,rings, blowby, and seals.
Looks pretty good. I wonder how it would work in a VVT engine? Thanks for the info. You and your family be blessed too Rich.
I think on a new or young engine that see temperature swings this would definitely make it an old engine quickly just from trying to pump maple syrup on start up. Older looser toleranced engines though I believe it would work great for.
Theirs quite a few brands that are thick like that … I wonder after a few thousand mile what it would like on the chart
Thicker isn't always better. This stuff might work in an air cooled engine, or a turbo race engine on a hot day.
On the past you’d dump gear oil in engines and sawdust in differentials 😮
Thicker than honey, but be carful not Chang viscosity too much especially with 0w oils. I would only use if had oil consumption issues
Great information. Just like you have said before. Quality oil, filter routinely changed. Brand doesn't matter.
Just my opinion but I like the ideal of using just a great oil like ultra and changing at 5 k miles and not spending any money on any additives. Just my 2 cents
Excellent, Great video, I used STP oil treatment in the past. Is it possible to see Schaeffer’s Supreme 9000 5W-30 and Pennzoil ultra-platinum 5w30 compared or if you have the test results. I’m using your advice on the type of oil for my 4000 mile oil change. I have a 2018, F150, 5.0.
I have the Pennzoil Platinum Ultra that I'm going to send off here soon I haven't done a virgin analysis yet but I will be doing it on this next run
@@FordBossMe COOL BEANs!
I wouldn’t use it in a car or truck in warranty or even one that was in good shape. It’s probably worth in an engine with 250,000 miles and uses a lot of oil, to get a few more miles out of it.
i learned something about the 2021 ford xlt after a 3 day blizzard and ice and snow.man my truck whent into a frizzy.snowplow whent by one night raked a bunch of ice and snow buried my back bumber and it froze solid next day backing it up instant.i got errors on my 12 inch screen it said reverse breaking is disabiled see manual.it did that for days.finally took it to carwash to get ice off and message whent away
Honestly, curious if it could stop the ticking noise on a 2013 Chevy Silverado? I have tried the Marvel mystery, the rislone engine treatment, and the BG MOA,
So its essentially a more premium Lucas additive that's got Molybdenum in it aswell
I used to run that oil in a couple super duty's and a twin turbo cap car. It was butter at first but I felt it got beat up and lost the smoothness after a few thousand miles. Hell, even mobile 1 didn't do that to me. Gave up on it after a few years of using it.
Never tried the additive. Went with fords full synthetic for the duty and liking pennsoils oils made from natural gas in my current car, an 08 vette.
Scfaeffer's oil is very good oil👍
As much $ as Schaffers costs it should do things like that. That is very interesting what the Moly EP does.
It doesn't cost much when you buy bulk from a local dealer. Amazon prices are nuts.
I have a 2003 Silverado over 350,000 uses no oil.. Had been using their oil. Lifters started clicking. Had them changed. After the mechanic got it back together. They were still clicking. The oil pump had failed. How long it had not been pumping. I do not know. But I think if the Mechanic had just replaced the oil pump it probably would have been ok. A lifter job does not come cheap!! Can not remember what else they replace. Silverado Still going. Put this treatment in a 2000 LT1000 Crafts man mower. Was using a good bit of oil . Not any more. Still have the mower.
Do a test of Motorkote.
Your ratio might have been a bit high. Its a 10:1 ratio. Using a gram scale to get exact #s would have been better. 200g oil 20g additive.not trying to burn on ya. You do amazing work. Just thinking out loud. Thank you for the wonderful advise and knowledge you pass on brother.
It wasn't High
because it said you can put it in there four to five parts so your statement is off
I made sure that no matter how I put it in there that it was between 4 to 5 it says it treats 4 to 5 quarts I don't know how that's not understandable
It was put in to accommodate the middle of treating four to five quarts
@@FordBossMe The bottle reads "add 1 pint to every 4 to 5 quarts." 1 pint is half a quart so that's between 8:1 and 10:1. Your ratio looked like about 5:1 but, admittedly, it's a bit hard to see in the video. That said, I'm not sure thickening the oil that much is a good idea on VVT engines anyway.
Rich is the BOSS of this channel. Why don’t you post your own ANALYSIS AND RATIOS with this additive review. I’m looking forward to it!
@@standhd It's just an observation and comment. Chill.
@@johnaclark1 You upset the Boss. Keep your observations to yourself. Do not come here and try to correct the Boss unless you are willing to do the review yourself.
Was the mix ratio correct in the testing? If 1 pint to 4-5 quarts, then 1 part EP to 8-10 parts oil. In your vial, it really looked like 1 part EP to 4-5 parts oil, which would be twice the recommended ratio, unless I misunderstood something. I really appreciate all of your oil testing.
Been using Schaeffers 0w20 , not thanking a chance on making it any more viscous, VVT would not like this
Sounds Like that Stuff Turns the Oil Into a RACING OIL???? Not sure if the Regular Joe that Put's this in his NEW (Whatever) know's what it's doing to his Oil / Oil Change. Don't think I'd be putting this Into My Ne F-150. (Might help The Phaser Issues)?????? Bu, toooooo Thick I Think. Maybe an old 57 Ford With a Worn 312 ThunderBird Special???? Maybe???...
This Schaeffers 5W30????? It tested Better than the AMSOIL did in how many Areas. Project Farm had the AMSOIL in His testing Beating out Everything he Tried Inc Pennzoil Ultra Plat, and the Schaeffers?? Curious about the Areas where the Schaeffers was better in because it didn't make it to the Show in His Testing. It got Beat out be the Pennzoil Ultra Plat, then AMSOIL beat out the Penz.
Did I miss the Astro Tool 1894 review? Looking for a 1/2 air impact and this one is high on the list.
No you didn't actually I'll do it today
Maybe you put to much Molly EP in the oil sample?
Maybe just a tab but it shouldn't decrease Molly it should increase molly
Hea rich I’m going to send off a sample of BG MOA for testing. If you would like to see the results let me know. David
Send me the numbers when you get them
Poissorichard.rp@gmail.com
Its funny, I am a Canadian and i have never heard of the Schafer's oil brand. From your oil test results it seem to be quite an impressive product for a worn engine. I think that company needs to get into the good old American Marketing game. Great Video by the way, thanks for the info.
No no no no no let's go even further than that I don't think you're quite explaining it like it should be explained
The regular Schaefer's 9000 premium full synthetic is good for any engine
But the EP additive should be used in A Worn engine or an application that can use some higher shear thicker viscosity
David I have used Schaeffers for 40 years. Schaeffers has been around since the 1840s St Louis Missouri The Wagons that went west on the Oregon trail had Schaeffers grease on the wagon wheels. They do not want to play the advertising game.
So that was a 1:4 ratio which is double the recommended amount. You did the equivalent to 1qt Moly EP to 4qt oil. 1pint per 4-5qts. A pint is half a quart. Prob why it tested so much higher viscosity.
Dude save it we know this people have been bitching about it I don't want to hear it I'm over it