All the Pac 12 had to do was say YES when Oklahoma and Texas asked to join their league in 2011. It would have been the Big 12 collapsing instead of the PAC 12
That's not what happened. The PAC 12 wanted Texas and OU but the deal fell apart because of tier 3 TV rights between the PAC 12 network and the Longhorn network.
@@mgoboski he learned nothing with that networks creation. Fox Sports was already regional and espn games and National coverage was already hard to come by. Pac12 network only made west coast sports that much more niche
ESPN told Texas not to join the Pac-12 because they had invested in the Longhorn Network. There is so much revisionist history from all these Media folks...
He wasn't. Over the totality of his tenure he might have made more in sum than each school made annually, but he wasn't making more each year than each school. Still far too much.
@@captainspartan04 I was joking. If Pac-12 schools have hockey or wrestling they are club sports because those are regional sports as Mens volleyball or water polo in the Midwest.
The Pac-12 was a great basketball conference talent wise with UCLA, Arizona, USC, Oregon, even Washington State with Kay Thompson and Stanford had the Lopez twins. Great NBA level talent. I will miss that league.
Five teams in the top 25 preseason coaches poll in football for 2023 also. Caleb Williams coming back to helm USC, Penix one of the more prolific passers in the league coming back to UW, Bo Nix at Oregon, Utah is good every year now. Even Oregon State is going to be electric this year. Plus the league was so much fun to watch last season for even a casual observer. The Pac 12 may be dying, but it isn't because of anything to do with what's happening on the field. That's a shame.
If FSU goes the private equity route they will cease to exist in athletics by 2040. I worked for a private equity firm and they are not a charity organization. They expect to get their money back and A LOT more. And investments that don’t work out end up being sold for scraps. FSU really needs to be careful with who they get in bed with. And thinking from a financial background I don’t even know the legal loopholes they would have to go through with the state of Florida just to accept private equity money as it’s a public school.
I think next in college football is merger of pac 12 and mtn west to form a 16 team conference . Not a bad conference really. SDST, Boise St, Oregon st, Wazzou, Stanford, Utah St, Fresno St, Air Force .Not a bad conference competition wise
@adrianvasquez254 Doesnt matter. Everyone is disloyal. It's like off the show Office where they had the fire drill Micheal Scott says every man for himself ! Every school will leave for enough money. There is no loyalty in sports. That's the essence of sports itself !
@@adrianvasquez254🤣🤣🤣 The two pac-12 commissioners who fucked our conference so they can get paid are disloyal. Why would you want to play in a conference where your not going to be seen on tv?? Don’t be dumb.
What about all the other sports, where the student athletes really are student athletes, who now have to go all the way across the country for their diving meet or whatever?
With all the practice and travel how much time do the players actually spend learning something in college, which is supposed to be the purpose of higher education.
What's next is that in 6-7 years, the majors brands from primarily the Big Ten and SEC will form their own super conference and make NFL Jr. College football is dead and it's sad, and I'm saying that as a fan of a major brand that will always be in the group of Haves instead of Have Nots.
I hate all of this. I'm done with college football after the 2023 season. Oregon, USC, UCLA, and Washington do not belong in the Big 10. This is MADNESS!!!
It's not madness. It's money and greed. The networks did their research. They figured out fans are more likely to tune in and watch games between Ohio State and USC. Rather than USC v (Pac12 opponent) and Ohio State v (any B1G program not named Michigan). Which means the networks can charge more money to advertisers and make more money. The next phase of this TV Money Era will be schools like Vandi & Northwestern getting the boot for not adding enough value.
Greed? It was about survival for Oregon and Washington. UCLA and USC moved for greed and advantage. The leach Larry Scott caused the demise of The PAC 12. How could university presidents think Limosine Larry was worth $50,000,000 per year?
Wanna know something crazy? Thanks to NIL and the transfer portal, it’s only a matter of time before college football becomes a minor league to the NFL with big ten and SEC taking leadership.
Mountain west merger with oregon st, Washington st , cal and call SMU... Im a Miami hurricanes fan but i would watch those late games whether 8pm or 10:30... I only watch 1 sec game Florida v Tennessee and 1 big 10 every year. Michigan v ohio st. no hate.. would rather watch boise st vs san Diego st or Usf vs east carolina.. than sec or big 10 .. my choice
It's in the SECs interest for the ACC GoR to go as long as possible. It keeps those ACC schools in their geographic footprint weak, with less cash and resources and it keeps those schools out of the Big Ten. Don't get it twisted, those behind the scenes in the SEC are working with ESPN to keep those ACC schools tied up in that GoR for as long as they can.
And Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC won’t play the game with ESPN and SEC. That ship has sailed. They will stop playing sports if they have to in order to break the strangle hold.
Your the first person on the internet that understands what's really going on. The SEC/ESPN knows where the game is going because they started this whole thing when they added Texas and Oklahoma. A lot of fans in the ACC are already closely tied to SEC schools because they have friends and family that have gone to SEC schools. The executives at ESPN know this. When the FSU vs Clemson game ends, those fans are going over to their friends house to watch UF vs South Carolina. They don't give a rat's rear-end about Wake Forest vs Syracuse. ESPN just wants to milk the ACC GOR for all it's worth, even if it means football dies at those schools. The SEC will live on for 50 years, just with less competition around. The only threat to this is if the big brand ACC schools split for the Big Ten. Then those fans will start preferring Big Ten games because the football is good and they want to see games relevant to the conference standings and playoff picture. ESPN will fight tooth and nail before allowing that.
@@tet2755 This where ACC really screwed up. ESPN never cared about ACC sports. They should have looked for a deal with NBC, to bring in ND, full time and expand NBC's college football footprint to add more teams and launch a separate sports channel or add sports on Peacock streaming.
The grant of rights long term deal is the only thing keeping the ACC together. It would cost a school around 500 million to exist early.And o the ACC would still own their rights so the games wouldn’t even be on TV!
Arizona Alum and giant fan... Got to play with Arena, Richard Jefferson, and more in the Rec Center in the off season. Lute Olson is spinning in his grave. Arizona won't be able to recruit like they used too with the crap competition.
The ACC bout to follow the Pac12 path of ruin. They need to solidify. I live in AZ and the wildcats stayed till the last minute, Larry Scott ate this conference and GK just continued his work. As soon as SC and UCLA announced they were leaving, the writing was on the wall. GK could have scooped up Boise St, SDSU, and Fresno to get the Boise market and keep a good part of Cali in the Pac12.
Here’s my humble take with all this conference realignment ridiculousness. It’s gotten so out of hand to the point it doesn’t make sense anymore. Because football is the driving force behind this mess, college football needs to become its own semi-pro league and let the other sports reset and rejoin their original conferences. Players now get paid, colleges get their TV money, and can still use their brands and resources. It’s beyond ridiculous to drag other sports into conferences to play teams all over the country that don’t have the same amount of revenue and resources. Give football its own league to divide up however they see fit, and let the other sports continue to compete within their traditional more regional based conferences.
Bubba is not a hypocrite; worse he is clueless. As a UNC alum I’ve been barking for MONTHS that Bubba needs a plan because the status quo cannot hold. He has none except denial. He really thinks the GoR and a $120m exit fee is some kind of barrier to FSU. The Noles could take a half share of SEC media rights, tell the ACC/ESPN to televise home games for a yr, get a loan for the exit fee, and still come out ahead. I’ve told other Heel fans to try to imagine you wake up one day and ECU has a better media rights deal than UNC does, because that is exactly what happened w UCF and its Big 12 deal vis a vis FSU. The ACC is a dead man walking and Bubba Cunningham will be the last person on Earth to figure that out.
Sorry, but how so ignorant? UNC contacted the B1G soon after the TX/OK news and again after the USC/UCLA news. UNC brass publicly commented on the matter ~12 months ago. Unlike FSU, UNC knows to say the right things publicly while working for the dirtier solutions privately. Fans can bark all they want.
I think it's less about money and more about survival for a lot of teams. It's kind of like a high level game of Prisoner's Dilemma. If you trust the conference team next to you, and they trust you, then realignment doesn't need to happen at all. But if you get the sense that they'll bail at the first good offer, then it becomes imperative that you're ready to bail, too. Imagine being Miami. You're perfectly fine in the ACC. Then one day you turn on the TV and see Clemson and FSU have headed elsewhere. Now you're stuck in a garbage conference, and are banging on the doors of the SEC and BigWhatever to let you in so your program doesn't take a serious hit. So you say, why wait for Clemson and FSU to make the move? Why not go first and use your brand as leverage while it still means something?
Well said!!! I studied the prisoner’s dilemma when I was in college and your absolutely right because it’s in their best interest to work together to get what they want.
ESPN, the holder of the ACC GoR is simply trying to secure as much revenue as it can before the ACC breaks apart. In this, having some key ACC teams (FSU, Clemson, one NC team and one VA team) go to the SEC will ensure ESPN multiple marquee matchups every single week during the season. This will make up for most of the lost ACC GoR revenue. It will also allow the SEC to limit, although not prevent, the B1G entering their territory. B1G grabs Miami, the other NC and VA schools, and one other school (Standord, Duke, GT) if all these moves are not enough to push ND towards joining the conference.
If the Big10 wants to expand they should grab both Miami and FSU. They could build that game into the game in the state. Make Florida the ones left out and with that make the state of Florida with the best recruits a Big10 state. It would be great for Miami and FSU along with every other Big10 school.
The big ten should expand to 24 immediately. Florida state , Miami , UNC, Virginia, Stanford and Ask ND . If they decline go after Cal or another Strong AAU school .
@@TroyHarperGoBucksGo what are the academics like at those ACC schools? Im guessing Virginia and NC are fine..not sure about FSU and Miami. Not sure if academics means anything to the B1G anymore, or if its just money....but to 24 i agree with.....6 west teams, 6 east teams and 2 central divisions, with a championship game that is semis/finals.
Market and money. just like pro sports market. it went from simple conference to big conference and now super conference. wouldnt be suprised if it was east vs west conference.
I believe most people really don’t care if some conference or another goes away. With the B10 additions the casual fan gets to watch better games against superior competition. As soon as the ACC gets poached, we will have 3 conferences and I hope they break away from the NCAA and form their own division. These players are already professional, might as well make a Junior NFL.
I care about rivalries dying. No more Civil War(Oregon v. Oregon State), no border war, no territorial cup and thats just PAC 12 games going away. No more Oklahoma v. Oklahoma State after this season. That sucks.
Time remove tax exemptions from these programs. Threaten the endowments and all the tax free revenue from the athletic programs and see how quickly things change.
If the NCAA or Department of Education had been proactive, conference expansion could have been better managed. The goal of conference expansion was to establish a 12-team league that would support a conference championship game - the SEC and Big 12 model. The ACC was the original BCS/P5 league to poach another major conference with the additions of Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College. Had cooler head prevailed and limited realignment by introducing a model of relegation and demotion, the Big 12 would have likely stayed intact, the Pac-12 would have promoted Utah and BYU from the Mountain West, and the Big Ten would have added Rutgers from the Big East. Five P5 conferences with 12 members each. Too bad.
@@wa1w511 The original Big East was never a real power conference, the likes of the SEC and Big Ten. It was founded as a basketball conference and then added football-only members to cash in on the sport's popularity and revenue potential. Raiding the Big East seemed more akin to promotion than lateral poaching. Once the Big 12 was raided by the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-10, it became a free-for-all.
@@wa1w511 Oh - well that was long before TV rights were even a real thing. Back then, conference realignment was based on regionality (SEC) and/or similarity of institutional culture (Big Ten).
The funny thing is that Florida tried for years to get FSU into the SEC, but eventually gave up. I really do think Florida now would vote to keep FSU out.
There will be 3 conferences, 2 would alienate too many fans. I think there will be a 4th with the left over ACC and Pac, combined with the best remaining G5 teams.
FSU is the one's talking out of their backsides. ACC is going to add schools from PAC 12 now, so the exit strategy of getting enough schools to vote for dissolution is gone. Yes the ACC mismanaged the TV deal for football, but FSU signed the grant of rights, just like everyone else. The collapse of the PAC 12 has changed the entire landscape.
I think if Clemson and FSU go to the SEC, ND would be better off in the BIGTEN than the former. What's missing from a BIGTEN domination is having 2-4 teams in the South/South East. Otherwise, they're a national outfit, while the SEC remains regional.
@@lawrencefranck9417 Ok, but with the addition to Oregon and USC, that makes your point moot. SEC is a strong conference sure, but they're still regioinal while the BigTen is legit more national with teams on both coasts and places in between (meaning more networks and eyeballs and more money).
There will be 4 schools who immediately leave from the ACC. Florida St, Clemson, UNC and Miami. Florida St and Clemson will be the top 2 dogs. They will go to either SEC or B10, then Miami and UNC will go to the other and the ACC is officially dead.
Gotta love DP's comment at about 1:05 about the Big 12 adding PAC 12 schools: “now you've got some basketball there.” Hey Dan: 2 of the last 3 NCAA champs were from the Big 12! Get a clue!
Crazy. Same folks complaining about kids getting NIL money. Running for the most money. All this kids needs to be loyal, blah, blah, blah..Glad to see kids finally being able to make some money off their talents. Less than 1% go pro. The free education they keep saying. Isn't free. A lot of sweat to earn that education. limitations on how many classes you can take etc, don't have a coaching change or pick the wrong school and have to deal with transferring (Pre C19). Scholarships are renewed nonverbal.
If you're the Big10(20 now), I think you're taking Clemson over FSU. It just feels like FSU hasn't been relevant since the Bowden era. So I'm not sure that's really a power play. Maybe FSU alumni is stronger 🤔 than I think 🤔
Florida St is guaranteed to get paid until 2036? Many of the schools moving want stability. That's the very definition of it. "Stability" isn't the right word here. The right one is "greed".
Where do people think that money goes? Do they think they're putting that money in a big bank like Scrooge McDuck? That money goes into trying to lure the best high school/transfer portal players. They're paying for a better locker room, stadium, facilities, better coaches, more coaches, etc. In the hopes that they can field better teams to make the playoff.
That is not how it works. This is about tv money and Network Money. Now you are going to put the big10 Network all over Southern Cali, Oregon and Washington. Not to mention the new Big 10 contract is with Fox, CBS and NBC. So think about any given Saturday. You can start out at Noon EST with Minnesota- Ohio State. This game will draw eyeballs just because it is Ohio State. 3:30EST (12:30 PST)- Michigan St and UCLA (going to draw eyeballs). 4:00EST (1pm PST)- Penn State at Washington. 7pm EST (4PST) Oregon at Wisconsin, and then at 10pm EST (7pm PST)- Michigan at USC. They can put 5 decent games from Noon till Midnight with scheduling correctly. With all 3 networks having a decent game. Who else is going to put a game at 10pm EST? Now will only possibly be Big12, and there best matchup would be what.... Oklahoma St at Utah? No brand recognition. Big10 teams will literally be on TV for 12-13 hours every Saturday, and has potential to be decent football games during every hour because they added 4 out of the top 6 teams from the Pac 12. This wasn't like the error they made years ago when Maryland and Rutgers were added. When those 2 were added it was just to get Big10 Network added to tv packages on the east coast. Adding UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington was about adding good/decent teams, not just get Big10 Network added to tv package out West, but getting decent games so NBC, Fox and CBS will fork out 1 billion dollars a year to have those type of games.
The Big 12 were indeed the biggest winners but if I may add, before Dan & the guys talked about that situation. Sweden being big winners, they won but it wasn't big. It was more of the US imploded & missed opportunities, I didn't hear anything about Sweden having this great offensive game, it was the goal keeper who blocked shot after shit & the game was decided by penalties
The BIG12 should benefit from adding flagships, but a Tier 2 conference adding more Tier 2 schools isn't that material to the overall realignment story. The B1G locking down the needed Weat Coast exposure for the future closed P2 is much bigger in the overall story.
It really sucks that the PAC 12 has finally resurfaced this year as a football power with 5 teams ranked in the preseason top 25. And I don't think there is a mistake with that. But you are right, Larry Scott ruined the PAC 12 and then the University presidents turned down a great TV package and ESPN walked away. So I am an Oregon State guy and they are 1 of those 5 teams and Head Coach Jonathan Smith has built this program to be a top 25 team and should be consistently for the near future. But they got screwed in this whole realignment thing. I and most Oregon State fans do not want to win the Mt West Conference year in and out. They want to be a serious contender in a power 5 conference and I and many others feel they could be. So now their recruiting will e much harder and their exposure horrible. But still don't count them out. Jonathan Smith will not leave because of this and as long as he is at OSU, he will find a way to keep this team relevant and a nationally ranked program. It's just going to be a harder task now.
The laughter has turned into reality. With 8 shit teams in the B1G Ore, USC and Wash will take New Years games. I hope Wisc and PSU are good with the Alamo bowl?
Big 12 football has a lot of average teams, but NO BLUE BLOOD teams. Big 10 and SEC conferences are loaded with blue blood football teams. And even the ACC has 2 Blue Blood teams. Big 12 conference is by no means a powerful football conference.
Dan Patrick is wrong because running an Athletic Dept. is very expensive. I think schools should charge athletes for using the weight room, athletic trainers, coaches, doctors, etc. Pass the bill onto the players. Thoughts?
If a combine of Duke, Carolina, UVA, NC State and maybe Wake could rope in Villanova and Maryland that would be an interesting College Basketball entertainment program down my way. Why not? Just sayin’
If they go to class they are student athletes. If they are on scholarship whether or not they ever see the field while they earn a degree they are a student athlete. Whether or not they actually want a degree is irrelevant. NIL has made employees out of them. Now that schools realize the urgency of coming up with substantial NIL money to stay competitive, they need more money = chasing the bag through realignment. The narrative that every program makes millions off of their athletes is also old, tired and wrong.
@@TroyHarperGoBucksGo they refused entry back in 1981... But since circumstances changed. And to say a lot is an understatement. The issue is Michigan, ND never chewed well having a losing record against them when they have a winning one against pretty much anybody else they played. Also there is something about Fielding Yost being a Nazi and Michigan having to apologize for that, but I can't confirm that part, because I really don't know the context well
I'm sure many fans of G5 schools aren't shedding tears for the Pac12 teams that got screwed in realignment. Stanford, Cal, Wazzu and Oregon State can enjoy life in the Mountain West lmao.
8 teams to disband ACC, 4 on board, 2 on the fence, only need 2 more, NC we dont need you to disband...when the ACC disbands, only exit fee is paid and its game on...but dont worry, FSU will be just fine where they land...2024 looking great for the class for FSU.
All the Pac 12 had to do was say YES when Oklahoma and Texas asked to join their league in 2011. It would have been the Big 12 collapsing instead of the PAC 12
That's not what happened. The PAC 12 wanted Texas and OU but the deal fell apart because of tier 3 TV rights between the PAC 12 network and the Longhorn network.
@@mgoboskiyou can still blame Larry Scott for this whole debacle
@@davidhooper259 you can because the PAC 12 network was a disaster. I was just setting the record straight.
@@mgoboski he learned nothing with that networks creation. Fox Sports was already regional and espn games and National coverage was already hard to come by. Pac12 network only made west coast sports that much more niche
ESPN told Texas not to join the Pac-12 because they had invested in the Longhorn Network.
There is so much revisionist history from all these Media folks...
That’s insane that Larry Scott was making more than the schools.
Who let that happen!!!! Who?
Dumb arse school presidents
He wasn't. Over the totality of his tenure he might have made more in sum than each school made annually, but he wasn't making more each year than each school. Still far too much.
That’s was a direct quote in this interview. He was making 50 million a year. Each school was not getting more than that.
All of those Michigan vs USC hockey games and UCLA vs Minnesota water polo games are going to awesome…wait a minute…
Both men and women’s volleyball will actually be lit with the additions of the four
@@captainspartan04 I was joking. If Pac-12 schools have hockey or wrestling they are club sports because those are regional sports as Mens volleyball or water polo in the Midwest.
The Pac-12 was a great basketball conference talent wise with UCLA, Arizona, USC, Oregon, even Washington State with Kay Thompson and Stanford had the Lopez twins. Great NBA level talent. I will miss that league.
Five teams in the top 25 preseason coaches poll in football for 2023 also. Caleb Williams coming back to helm USC, Penix one of the more prolific passers in the league coming back to UW, Bo Nix at Oregon, Utah is good every year now. Even Oregon State is going to be electric this year. Plus the league was so much fun to watch last season for even a casual observer. The Pac 12 may be dying, but it isn't because of anything to do with what's happening on the field. That's a shame.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf Agreed that's why I basically stopped watching pro sports for the most part except for college and now they're even ruining that.
If FSU goes the private equity route they will cease to exist in athletics by 2040. I worked for a private equity firm and they are not a charity organization. They expect to get their money back and A LOT more. And investments that don’t work out end up being sold for scraps. FSU really needs to be careful with who they get in bed with. And thinking from a financial background I don’t even know the legal loopholes they would have to go through with the state of Florida just to accept private equity money as it’s a public school.
I'm guessing more like 2030. As a full athletic department I don't even think they're as big of a deal as UNC or Clemson.
Clemson is quietly setting up their leaving of the ACC. 💯
Not really everyone knows they’ll join Florida st when y’all leave the acc
I think next in college football is merger of pac 12 and mtn west to form a 16 team conference . Not a bad conference really. SDST, Boise St, Oregon st, Wazzou, Stanford, Utah St, Fresno St, Air Force .Not a bad conference competition wise
USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington are disloyal AF.
@adrianvasquez254 Doesnt matter. Everyone is disloyal. It's like off the show Office where they had the fire drill Micheal Scott says every man for himself ! Every school will leave for enough money. There is no loyalty in sports. That's the essence of sports itself !
@@adrianvasquez254🤣🤣🤣 The two pac-12 commissioners who fucked our conference so they can get paid are disloyal. Why would you want to play in a conference where your not going to be seen on tv?? Don’t be dumb.
@@adrianvasquez254 stay mad.
@@adrianvasquez254 Loyalty and a Blockbuster member card have the same value
What about all the other sports, where the student athletes really are student athletes, who now have to go all the way across the country for their diving meet or whatever?
theres no student anymore its audition for NFL who cares about school
Dan Patrick is doing his job.
I think the next move will be major college sports programs or their schools leaving the NCAA.
The university presidents of the Pac 12 have to bear the brunt of this blame, not just Larry Scott. They are the ones that have the final say.
Streaming will kill cable over the next 10 years.
With all the practice and travel how much time do the players actually spend learning something in college, which is supposed to be the purpose of higher education.
What's next is that in 6-7 years, the majors brands from primarily the Big Ten and SEC will form their own super conference and make NFL Jr. College football is dead and it's sad, and I'm saying that as a fan of a major brand that will always be in the group of Haves instead of Have Nots.
That's exactly it.
The top 30 teams will be in a semi pro league.
All the Vanderbilts, Indianas, northwesterns and Rutgers will be booted out
College football has been dead for years, ESPN and all their talking heads that advocated for paying players and free agency made sure of that
@@crk140 advocating for paying players did this? THey're paying the universities large bags of cash that the athletes receive none of.
do people still like things to happen "organically" in sports? all these morons complaining about how players have too much power this is what you get
I hate all of this. I'm done with college football after the 2023 season. Oregon, USC, UCLA, and Washington do not belong in the Big 10. This is MADNESS!!!
ur still gonna watch its not gonna kill you
It's not madness. It's money and greed. The networks did their research. They figured out fans are more likely to tune in and watch games between Ohio State and USC. Rather than USC v (Pac12 opponent) and Ohio State v (any B1G program not named Michigan). Which means the networks can charge more money to advertisers and make more money. The next phase of this TV Money Era will be schools like Vandi & Northwestern getting the boot for not adding enough value.
Greed? It was about survival for Oregon and Washington. UCLA and USC moved for greed and advantage. The leach Larry Scott caused the demise of The PAC 12. How could university presidents think Limosine Larry was worth $50,000,000 per year?
Wanna know something crazy? Thanks to NIL and the transfer portal, it’s only a matter of time before college football becomes a minor league to the NFL with big ten and SEC taking leadership.
Lol, you'll still watch.
"They want the BAG".... Died laughing when he said this
Good point Dan. Arizona v Kansas every year is gold
b12 basketball is going to be great
That's only 2 games a year. The rest is going to be awful.
@@MaxamillianStudio vs Baylor, vs Tx Tech
Mountain west merger with oregon st, Washington st , cal and call SMU... Im a Miami hurricanes fan but i would watch those late games whether 8pm or 10:30... I only watch 1 sec game Florida v Tennessee and 1 big 10 every year. Michigan v ohio st. no hate.. would rather watch boise st vs san Diego st or Usf vs east carolina.. than sec or big 10 .. my choice
At this point, why even have conferences?
Agreed but that only works in Football
@@MrYatesj1 fair point
Maybe Florida St is mad because UCF is getting 31M and they are getting 23M.
That’s the biggest reason
It's in the SECs interest for the ACC GoR to go as long as possible. It keeps those ACC schools in their geographic footprint weak, with less cash and resources and it keeps those schools out of the Big Ten.
Don't get it twisted, those behind the scenes in the SEC are working with ESPN to keep those ACC schools tied up in that GoR for as long as they can.
And Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC won’t play the game with ESPN and SEC. That ship has sailed. They will stop playing sports if they have to in order to break the strangle hold.
Your the first person on the internet that understands what's really going on. The SEC/ESPN knows where the game is going because they started this whole thing when they added Texas and Oklahoma. A lot of fans in the ACC are already closely tied to SEC schools because they have friends and family that have gone to SEC schools. The executives at ESPN know this. When the FSU vs Clemson game ends, those fans are going over to their friends house to watch UF vs South Carolina. They don't give a rat's rear-end about Wake Forest vs Syracuse.
ESPN just wants to milk the ACC GOR for all it's worth, even if it means football dies at those schools. The SEC will live on for 50 years, just with less competition around. The only threat to this is if the big brand ACC schools split for the Big Ten. Then those fans will start preferring Big Ten games because the football is good and they want to see games relevant to the conference standings and playoff picture. ESPN will fight tooth and nail before allowing that.
@@tet2755 This where ACC really screwed up. ESPN never cared about ACC sports. They should have looked for a deal with NBC, to bring in ND, full time and expand NBC's college football footprint to add more teams and launch a separate sports channel or add sports on Peacock streaming.
The grant of rights long term deal is the only thing keeping the ACC together. It would cost a school around 500 million to exist early.And o the ACC would still own their rights so the games wouldn’t even be on TV!
Wish you would talk college basketball... That is where the Pac 12 legacy is... Totally lost... Im totally pissed.
Wildcats fan here, huge disappointment but I’m not complaining about OKst and Iowa state and Kansas coming to play in Tucson.
Arizona Alum and giant fan... Got to play with Arena, Richard Jefferson, and more in the Rec Center in the off season.
Lute Olson is spinning in his grave. Arizona won't be able to recruit like they used too with the crap competition.
The ACC bout to follow the Pac12 path of ruin. They need to solidify. I live in AZ and the wildcats stayed till the last minute, Larry Scott ate this conference and GK just continued his work. As soon as SC and UCLA announced they were leaving, the writing was on the wall. GK could have scooped up Boise St, SDSU, and Fresno to get the Boise market and keep a good part of Cali in the Pac12.
The ACC may follow the path of the PAC 12 but it will not be anytime soon and definitely not this decade.
@@BamaScorpio69thank god they don’t have a Great Value Larry Scott to hurry the process.
@@boxxboyy3879 True!
Here’s my humble take with all this conference realignment ridiculousness. It’s gotten so out of hand to the point it doesn’t make sense anymore. Because football is the driving force behind this mess, college football needs to become its own semi-pro league and let the other sports reset and rejoin their original conferences. Players now get paid, colleges get their TV money, and can still use their brands and resources. It’s beyond ridiculous to drag other sports into conferences to play teams all over the country that don’t have the same amount of revenue and resources. Give football its own league to divide up however they see fit, and let the other sports continue to compete within their traditional more regional based conferences.
Bubba is not a hypocrite; worse he is clueless. As a UNC alum I’ve been barking for MONTHS that Bubba needs a plan because the status quo cannot hold. He has none except denial. He really thinks the GoR and a $120m exit fee is some kind of barrier to FSU. The Noles could take a half share of SEC media rights, tell the ACC/ESPN to televise home games for a yr, get a loan for the exit fee, and still come out ahead. I’ve told other Heel fans to try to imagine you wake up one day and ECU has a better media rights deal than UNC does, because that is exactly what happened w UCF and its Big 12 deal vis a vis FSU. The ACC is a dead man walking and Bubba Cunningham will be the last person on Earth to figure that out.
FSU is going to hit up that Saudi money.
@@Jon.A.Scholtshhh lol
Sorry, but how so ignorant? UNC contacted the B1G soon after the TX/OK news and again after the USC/UCLA news. UNC brass publicly commented on the matter ~12 months ago. Unlike FSU, UNC knows to say the right things publicly while working for the dirtier solutions privately.
Fans can bark all they want.
@@Taurus75711 they'll change Doak Campbell Stadium to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman Stadium to rename it in honor of their sugar daddy.
I think it's less about money and more about survival for a lot of teams.
It's kind of like a high level game of Prisoner's Dilemma. If you trust the conference team next to you, and they trust you, then realignment doesn't need to happen at all. But if you get the sense that they'll bail at the first good offer, then it becomes imperative that you're ready to bail, too. Imagine being Miami. You're perfectly fine in the ACC. Then one day you turn on the TV and see Clemson and FSU have headed elsewhere. Now you're stuck in a garbage conference, and are banging on the doors of the SEC and BigWhatever to let you in so your program doesn't take a serious hit. So you say, why wait for Clemson and FSU to make the move? Why not go first and use your brand as leverage while it still means something?
Well said!!! I studied the prisoner’s dilemma when I was in college and your absolutely right because it’s in their best interest to work together to get what they want.
@@michaelknapp8961 College, huh?
The BIG 12 needs to go after OS, Wash. St, San Diego St. Boise St. Cal Berkeley.
Like the LEO patches.
Where do Washington St, Oregon St, Cal, & Stanford go?
ESPN, the holder of the ACC GoR is simply trying to secure as much revenue as it can before the ACC breaks apart. In this, having some key ACC teams (FSU, Clemson, one NC team and one VA team) go to the SEC will ensure ESPN multiple marquee matchups every single week during the season. This will make up for most of the lost ACC GoR revenue. It will also allow the SEC to limit, although not prevent, the B1G entering their territory.
B1G grabs Miami, the other NC and VA schools, and one other school (Standord, Duke, GT) if all these moves are not enough to push ND towards joining the conference.
If the Big10 wants to expand they should grab both Miami and FSU. They could build that game into the game in the state. Make Florida the ones left out and with that make the state of Florida with the best recruits a Big10 state. It would be great for Miami and FSU along with every other Big10 school.
ND and FSU would be good
The big ten should expand to 24 immediately. Florida state , Miami , UNC, Virginia, Stanford and Ask ND . If they decline go after Cal or another Strong AAU school .
@@TroyHarperGoBucksGo what are the academics like at those ACC schools? Im guessing Virginia and NC are fine..not sure about FSU and Miami. Not sure if academics means anything to the B1G anymore, or if its just money....but to 24 i agree with.....6 west teams, 6 east teams and 2 central divisions, with a championship game that is semis/finals.
Big 10 needs to get Stanford, Notre Dame MIami FSU NC Duke. Ghost UCBerkley aka Cal
SEC isn’t going to allow that. Sec is going to grab Miami, Clemson, FSU and either Baylor or ND.
Do you actually have a show anymore?
Still 5 or 6 home college football games. Hopefully bring more $$$$ to school & state
I’m pretty disappointed and disgusted. So much more matters than football. The conference of champions dismantles 🤦
Next is the remaining four will combine with the mountain west or the aac.
That’s the word I’ve been hearing here in Phx.
Market and money. just like pro sports market. it went from simple conference to big conference and now super conference. wouldnt be suprised if it was east vs west conference.
B1G needs to take both FSU and Clemson!!!
I believe most people really don’t care if some conference or another goes away. With the B10 additions the casual fan gets to watch better games against superior competition. As soon as the ACC gets poached, we will have 3 conferences and I hope they break away from the NCAA and form their own division. These players are already professional, might as well make a Junior NFL.
I care about rivalries dying. No more Civil War(Oregon v. Oregon State), no border war, no territorial cup and thats just PAC 12 games going away. No more Oklahoma v. Oklahoma State after this season. That sucks.
the sec is a loser conference
Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
Time remove tax exemptions from these programs. Threaten the endowments and all the tax free revenue from the athletic programs and see how quickly things change.
The ACC is a basketball conference, losing Florida State and Clemson. I don’t believe it’s a big deal.
If the NCAA or Department of Education had been proactive, conference expansion could have been better managed. The goal of conference expansion was to establish a 12-team league that would support a conference championship game - the SEC and Big 12 model. The ACC was the original BCS/P5 league to poach another major conference with the additions of Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College. Had cooler head prevailed and limited realignment by introducing a model of relegation and demotion, the Big 12 would have likely stayed intact, the Pac-12 would have promoted Utah and BYU from the Mountain West, and the Big Ten would have added Rutgers from the Big East. Five P5 conferences with 12 members each. Too bad.
If you read the history of each conference, this has been going on much longer....money is the motivation for movement now which is why it smells bad.
i tink 6-8 16 team conference would have been great.
@@wa1w511 The original Big East was never a real power conference, the likes of the SEC and Big Ten. It was founded as a basketball conference and then added football-only members to cash in on the sport's popularity and revenue potential. Raiding the Big East seemed more akin to promotion than lateral poaching. Once the Big 12 was raided by the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-10, it became a free-for-all.
@@william7286 I'm talking further back; for example, Tulane and Duke used to be in the SEC.
@@wa1w511 Oh - well that was long before TV rights were even a real thing. Back then, conference realignment was based on regionality (SEC) and/or similarity of institutional culture (Big Ten).
Florida will nix FSU coming to the SEC. S Carolina will oppose Clemson. They make sense being in the SEC, but probably won’t.
The funny thing is that Florida tried for years to get FSU into the SEC, but eventually gave up. I really do think Florida now would vote to keep FSU out.
There will be 3 conferences, 2 would alienate too many fans. I think there will be a 4th with the left over ACC and Pac, combined with the best remaining G5 teams.
FSU is the one's talking out of their backsides. ACC is going to add schools from PAC 12 now, so the exit strategy of getting enough schools to vote for dissolution is gone. Yes the ACC mismanaged the TV deal for football, but FSU signed the grant of rights, just like everyone else. The collapse of the PAC 12 has changed the entire landscape.
Dan says make no mistake about it FSU is leaving ACC. But,when in 2036? Everything will be so different in 13 years.
SEC is going grab Clemson, FSU, Miami and Baylor if ND doesn’t want to move south.
I think if Clemson and FSU go to the SEC, ND would be better off in the BIGTEN than the former. What's missing from a BIGTEN domination is having 2-4 teams in the South/South East. Otherwise, they're a national outfit, while the SEC remains regional.
@@lawrencefranck9417 Ok, but with the addition to Oregon and USC, that makes your point moot. SEC is a strong conference sure, but they're still regioinal while the BigTen is legit more national with teams on both coasts and places in between (meaning more networks and eyeballs and more money).
SEC should take on the NFL if they think they're so tough.
There will be 4 schools who immediately leave from the ACC. Florida St, Clemson, UNC and Miami. Florida St and Clemson will be the top 2 dogs. They will go to either SEC or B10, then Miami and UNC will go to the other and the ACC is officially dead.
Gotta love DP's comment at about 1:05 about the Big 12 adding PAC 12 schools: “now you've got some basketball there.” Hey Dan: 2 of the last 3 NCAA champs were from the Big 12! Get a clue!
I understand this conference new realignment for tv deals.. But i bet these N.I L deals to student athletes has alot to with it.
Crazy. Same folks complaining about kids getting NIL money. Running for the most money. All this kids needs to be loyal, blah, blah, blah..Glad to see kids finally being able to make some money off their talents. Less than 1% go pro. The free education they keep saying. Isn't free. A lot of sweat to earn that education. limitations on how many classes you can take etc, don't have a coaching change or pick the wrong school and have to deal with transferring (Pre C19). Scholarships are renewed nonverbal.
If you're the Big10(20 now), I think you're taking Clemson over FSU. It just feels like FSU hasn't been relevant since the Bowden era. So I'm not sure that's really a power play. Maybe FSU alumni is stronger 🤔 than I think 🤔
Ya that bag has to pay for women’s tennis and all the other programs that drain money from the schools.
Thats a horrible way to look at it, as college athletics is way deeper than Football and Hoops
Florida St is guaranteed to get paid until 2036? Many of the schools moving want stability. That's the very definition of it. "Stability" isn't the right word here. The right one is "greed".
So what Dan , are you saying you’re not chasing the bag toO?
exactly
ASU/UofA now have an easier travel schedule.
When is the ncaa just gonna admit their just a minor league for the nfl?
Kinda, there is still only 3% of athletes that make it to the show, what does not change with all the shake up
Only Two ..... SEC vs Big10
They’ll be the major conference but big 12 can stand being third
Where do people think that money goes? Do they think they're putting that money in a big bank like Scrooge McDuck? That money goes into trying to lure the best high school/transfer portal players. They're paying for a better locker room, stadium, facilities, better coaches, more coaches, etc. In the hopes that they can field better teams to make the playoff.
Fine, you want your footprint everywhere, but does it guarantee you have a great product in the room. No!
That is not how it works. This is about tv money and Network Money. Now you are going to put the big10 Network all over Southern Cali, Oregon and Washington. Not to mention the new Big 10 contract is with Fox, CBS and NBC. So think about any given Saturday. You can start out at Noon EST with Minnesota- Ohio State. This game will draw eyeballs just because it is Ohio State. 3:30EST (12:30 PST)- Michigan St and UCLA (going to draw eyeballs). 4:00EST (1pm PST)- Penn State at Washington. 7pm EST (4PST) Oregon at Wisconsin, and then at 10pm EST (7pm PST)- Michigan at USC. They can put 5 decent games from Noon till Midnight with scheduling correctly. With all 3 networks having a decent game. Who else is going to put a game at 10pm EST? Now will only possibly be Big12, and there best matchup would be what.... Oklahoma St at Utah? No brand recognition. Big10 teams will literally be on TV for 12-13 hours every Saturday, and has potential to be decent football games during every hour because they added 4 out of the top 6 teams from the Pac 12. This wasn't like the error they made years ago when Maryland and Rutgers were added. When those 2 were added it was just to get Big10 Network added to tv packages on the east coast. Adding UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington was about adding good/decent teams, not just get Big10 Network added to tv package out West, but getting decent games so NBC, Fox and CBS will fork out 1 billion dollars a year to have those type of games.
The Big 12 were indeed the biggest winners but if I may add, before Dan & the guys talked about that situation. Sweden being big winners, they won but it wasn't big. It was more of the US imploded & missed opportunities, I didn't hear anything about Sweden having this great offensive game, it was the goal keeper who blocked shot after shit & the game was decided by penalties
The BIG12 should benefit from adding flagships, but a Tier 2 conference adding more Tier 2 schools isn't that material to the overall realignment story. The B1G locking down the needed Weat Coast exposure for the future closed P2 is much bigger in the overall story.
Dan, it's all greed...sad but greed rules the day.
Can you imagine if college football became a minor league to the NFL? Because that’s exactly where we are going.
It really sucks that the PAC 12 has finally resurfaced this year as a football power with 5 teams ranked in the preseason top 25. And I don't think there is a mistake with that. But you are right, Larry Scott ruined the PAC 12 and then the University presidents turned down a great TV package and ESPN walked away. So I am an Oregon State guy and they are 1 of those 5 teams and Head Coach Jonathan Smith has built this program to be a top 25 team and should be consistently for the near future. But they got screwed in this whole realignment thing. I and most Oregon State fans do not want to win the Mt West Conference year in and out. They want to be a serious contender in a power 5 conference and I and many others feel they could be. So now their recruiting will e much harder and their exposure horrible. But still don't count them out. Jonathan Smith will not leave because of this and as long as he is at OSU, he will find a way to keep this team relevant and a nationally ranked program. It's just going to be a harder task now.
The laughter has turned into reality. With 8 shit teams in the B1G Ore, USC and Wash will take New Years games. I hope Wisc and PSU are good with the Alamo bowl?
Don't forget Ut, have have become real competition in the Pac-12
Big 12 football has a lot of average teams, but NO BLUE BLOOD teams. Big 10 and SEC conferences are loaded with blue blood football teams. And even the ACC has 2 Blue Blood teams. Big 12 conference is by no means a powerful football conference.
The Pac-12 should have went after a CW deal... then again they're after the money.
Big 10 needs to snag Clemson, Miami, Duke and North Carolina. Florida State is going to SEC
Dan Patrick is wrong because running an Athletic Dept. is very expensive. I think schools should charge athletes for using the weight room, athletic trainers, coaches, doctors, etc. Pass the bill onto the players. Thoughts?
Pac12 was so poorly run. No vision and to snooty.
If a combine of Duke, Carolina, UVA, NC State and maybe Wake could rope in Villanova and Maryland that would be an interesting College Basketball entertainment program down my way. Why not? Just sayin’
Because. Face it college 🏈 is the money maker in college sports and those teams you mentioned are not great college 🏈 programs.
Because basketball doesn't pay the bills. And Maryland won't leave all that money from the B1G
Any team.leaving the ACC will have to pay out a fortune to leave.
What do you mean they aren’t student athletes? Of course they are.
Biggest win is Fritzy !!!!!
If they go to class they are student athletes. If they are on scholarship whether or not they ever see the field while they earn a degree they are a student athlete. Whether or not they actually want a degree is irrelevant. NIL has made employees out of them. Now that schools realize the urgency of coming up with substantial NIL money to stay competitive, they need more money = chasing the bag through realignment. The narrative that every program makes millions off of their athletes is also old, tired and wrong.
FSU was all excited to be in the ACC when they were good, and now that they are stinky, they want to go elsewhere....see ya.
Larry Scott made $50 million? Pat's obviously being facetious right?
Canzano isnt a good source Dan
FSU and Clemson will go to the SEC!!!! ESPN owns their rights!!!!
Dan Patrick does nothing to help the homeless community when all need to boycott him!!!!!
“It’s all going to lead to…” cats and dogs, living in sin! 🐕 🐈 = 🪺
this guy really love cops
NDs going to join a conference soon. The conferences have all the power now and they'll do whatever they can to penalize independents.
and I heard that their deal with NBC is becoming worse by the day... in a way, even NBC is balking on them, they got rights to Big 10 games now
@@otaviofrnazarioI love it and I’d love to have ND in the big 10 asap
@@TroyHarperGoBucksGo they refused entry back in 1981... But since circumstances changed. And to say a lot is an understatement.
The issue is Michigan, ND never chewed well having a losing record against them when they have a winning one against pretty much anybody else they played.
Also there is something about Fielding Yost being a Nazi and Michigan having to apologize for that, but I can't confirm that part, because I really don't know the context well
its BS to be penalized for not being in accordance with who has majority just because they have majority. 0% integrity , 100% tyranny.
Kliavkoff might be the greatest thief in recent CFB history - bigger than Jimbo Fisher and Mel Tucker.
He took the Larry Scott playbook to heart.
Yo ita a ZIP ZADDA dog eat dog eat
They’re WOMEN not GIRLS
They’re irrelevant
I'm sure many fans of G5 schools aren't shedding tears for the Pac12 teams that got screwed in realignment. Stanford, Cal, Wazzu and Oregon State can enjoy life in the Mountain West lmao.
If these are athletes, are we athletic supporters?
Who cares about deion
8 teams to disband ACC, 4 on board, 2 on the fence, only need 2 more, NC we dont need you to disband...when the ACC disbands, only exit fee is paid and its game on...but dont worry, FSU will be just fine where they land...2024 looking great for the class for FSU.
Who cares FSU always recruits well but hasn't had a consistently good team or been relevant on the national level for 20 years