That’s close … it definitely added $$ for B1G media deal, BUT All the Media Partners (NBC Sports, CBSSports, Fox Sports, plus B1G Network)Felt Great and added $$. Fox has a Double-header with B1G and Big-12. CBS Sports, being kicked out by SEC (after 30+ years) for ESPN exclusive, wanted a Quality Replacement Product (and Got It). NBC Sports with Notre Dame was looking for a 7 PM night game for their Double-header programming (Prayers Answered). ESPN was at the B1G table, BUT Walked Away (Now Second thoughts, Oregon/Washington added B1G). ESPN desired to hang on to Big-12 shared with Fox.
I couldn't be happier that Pac-12 dissolved because Arizona got out of poorly mismanaged conference. I'm an Arizona Alum, I've never really aligned with schools like (UCLA, CAL, Stanford). Arizona to the Big12 is much better fit. In the real world when CEO's make bad decisions they get fired. The demise of the Pac-12 is their own doing. Life has a way of correcting itself.
@@icu17siberia , yep that was satire. That’s what comes from everyday referring to what an amazing conglomeration of elite programs you are. Read the latest press release from the PAC-12 right before it all fell apart. They never saw it coming.
How on Earth the remaining PAC schools have not fired this commissioner, is absolutely beyond me. He needs to be backfilling the conference, and adding new teams, and it's crickets out of them.
@@Tijuanabill If the remaining 4 add 6-8 G5 teams, it becomes a G5 conference and gets paid like one. They will have to make drastic changes to their athletic departments and teams.
@@morecowbell235 Obviously they should have taken the phone calls of Big 12 teams 2 years ago. But no, as a point of fact, the PAC was awarded autonomous status by the NCAA, which is the spending exception that defines P5. Those little schools in G5 aren't allowed to spend big boy money, and some of them would like to start. The alternative is to cease to exist, so what I say isn't crazy at all. They aren't going to remain as a 4 team conference....obviously.
I think if the Pac-12 still had USC and UCLA then a price range of $45-$50 million a season per team starts to make sense. With those 2 programs gone, they certainly should have lowered their expectations and tried to negotiate a $30 to $35 million a season. A combination of arrogance and stupidity caused this and now after this season, the Pac-12 is dead.
Only 30% of the USA population is West of the 100th meridian (Great Plains), roughly US-81 …. with 70% audience to the East of that Line … that Limits the Audience.
It can’t be said enough, after the Big Ten delivered the initial blow the PAC 12 did not collectively prioritize survival. They could have shored up their membership and then pursued a tv deal just like the Big 12. The Appletv proposal had issues but was not unworkable. I have to believe Colorado based its decision on Oregon/Washington’s reaction just as much as the deal itself.
Paul hit the nail right on the head. The PAC hired GK because he told them what they wanted to hear. And JC was their favorite exclusive reporter because he reported what they wanted said.
I disagree! College presidents tend to be liberal, and liberals tend to be very vain. What this is, is the pac 12 thinking they are much better than they actually are!
How about the fact that at least 7 of the 10 schools knew their 'floor' almost a year ago? OR/WA knew there was 'some interest' in B1G land. UA,ASU,UU, CU all more than knew the XII was interested to say the least. Stanford knows there is interest and they could go Indy for a long time and be fine. Cal ultimately hates the toxic brutal game anyway and should just become a 'shuffle board' school. Hence herding the cats was not an easy task and only WSU/OSU will have to really pay the price for it all.
They're kicking the proverbial dead horse at this point. It's sad. If you had told me thirty years ago that one day I'd have no interest in college football I'd have laughed in your face. Now even as a UCLA alumni I have zero interest. Everything that was great about college football is dead.
They thought they were worth $45-50M as a conference? LOLOL, oh well, Big 12 got 4 of 'em. Now we can wait for the ACC to fall apart and we will get Pitt, Louisville, and a couple others.
Anyone been around a university ? These people are professors ,PHD's . They hire AD that are supposed to know. They hire and keep Larry Scott. I blame university trustees who did not step in but allowed University Presidents to manage something out of their experience level.
I don’t buy it. Colorado left because no offers had been presented. Colorado or Arizona would have been the first to use this type of failure to justify their departures. Seems like Canzano is getting played….
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 no disagreement there. But when you have at two schools bolt, at least one president publicly state that the only offer ever presented was the Apple one, and the ASU president and AD voicing their displeasure, don’t you think one person would have said this if it were true?
What happens when ESPN decides they rather just pay the SEC & teams that leave the ACC for the SEC? Big 12 stopped the bleeding but if Colorado doesn’t turn into an elite draw the conference won’t get another TV deal unless it’s another low ball deal they take to stay alive. Big 12 commish is trying to build up basketball because he knows espn will lose money on the Big 12 deal.
PAC’s TV rating is not even as good as the Big12, but they wanted $50 million per school? Please! If PAC gets $50 million per school then the Big12 should get $65 million per school because that is how much better the Big12’s TV rating is than the PAC’s!
Maybe the snooty managerial class liberal Pac12 fans are wealther then the redneck Big12 fans. So the Pac12, in theory, could generate more advertising dollars with less fans. Plus the cost of living is way more on the Left Coast, everything costs more money. The Pac12 also used to be in larger markets when they had the LA schools but they still probably have a lot of fans in that region. So maybe that was taken under consideration when the TV networks were crunching the numbers and coming up with a value for the Pac12.
Amazing, so the 4 corner schools to Big-12 and Oregon & Washington to Big Ten will get $30 million / year in 2024/25 season - that ESPN offered last year ?? They didn’t pursue ESPN + Streaming for remaining dollars ?
The question is why was espn even offering $30 million per school. That is insane! This isn’t the sec, or big ten. In those regions people eat, breathe, sleep college football. It is FAR different on the west coast. Even if the LA schools had stayed that still would have been too much money. The bottom line is that there are many pac 12 presidents, who need to fired immediately. Arrogance on sterioids!
The Pac-12 commissioner, ADs, presidents, etc. were as in-touch with the market as were Bud-Lite's marketing managers. They were so sure they were correct in their assumptions, they never saw the need to verify their beliefs.
Comment. “How can so many smart people, make so many bad decisions.” Problem is that they think they are smart and too smart for a bunch of midwestern. When truth is that the real smart one’s were the midwesterners. Because your school has a certain title attached to it, that does automatically make you the smartest or the best. They are getting the reality check they deserve. How they respond will really tell us how smart they are.
The answer to how smart people can make such stupid decisions. The answer is when it comes to money you need a business man to make money decisions. Yormark baby. The Pac 12 needed a man with business sense. Too bad. I'm going to miss the Pac 12. Vaughn
It's a national show now. They cover all college football conferences. Smoaky is a huge Nebraska fan even though he knows their glory days are over. These guys blew up when realignment started 2 years ago. They are very good.
as a Pac-12 alum I am happy to see it collapse. Leadership was horrible and they were making it irrelevant over the last several years. Can't wait to go to a conference that is truly passionate and supportive of football and thinks about their fans!!! Bye bye arrogant woke fools of the Pac 12....wish I could say it has been fun.
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ESPN is crumbling also.
The 30 million was generous at the time, the Apple deal was probably the most legitimate valuation
"You gotta' know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.
USC and UCLA were approximately half the value of the Pac 12 so when they left 50 million became 25 million
That’s close … it definitely added $$ for B1G media deal,
BUT All the Media Partners (NBC Sports, CBSSports, Fox Sports, plus B1G Network)Felt Great and added $$.
Fox has a Double-header with B1G and Big-12.
CBS Sports, being kicked out by SEC (after 30+ years) for ESPN exclusive, wanted a Quality Replacement Product (and Got It).
NBC Sports with Notre Dame was looking for a 7 PM night game for their Double-header programming (Prayers Answered).
ESPN was at the B1G table, BUT Walked Away (Now Second thoughts, Oregon/Washington added B1G).
ESPN desired to hang on to Big-12 shared with Fox.
I couldn't be happier that Pac-12 dissolved because Arizona got out of poorly mismanaged conference. I'm an Arizona Alum, I've never really aligned with schools like (UCLA, CAL, Stanford). Arizona to the Big12 is much better fit. In the real world when CEO's make bad decisions they get fired. The demise of the Pac-12 is their own doing. Life has a way of correcting itself.
Why am i shocked the Pac12 thought they were worth twice what they actually are. Why I’ve never seen any arrogance from them at all!
@@icu17siberia , yep that was satire. That’s what comes from everyday referring to what an amazing conglomeration of elite programs you are. Read the latest press release from the PAC-12 right before it all fell apart. They never saw it coming.
How on Earth the remaining PAC schools have not fired this commissioner, is absolutely beyond me. He needs to be backfilling the conference, and adding new teams, and it's crickets out of them.
Fill them with who? MWC teams?
@@morecowbell235 Versus just go away and cease to exist? Yes, of course. But they were too snooty to take Big 12 teams, so it serves them right.
@@Tijuanabill If the remaining 4 add 6-8 G5 teams, it becomes a G5 conference and gets paid like one. They will have to make drastic changes to their athletic departments and teams.
@@morecowbell235 Obviously they should have taken the phone calls of Big 12 teams 2 years ago. But no, as a point of fact, the PAC was awarded autonomous status by the NCAA, which is the spending exception that defines P5. Those little schools in G5 aren't allowed to spend big boy money, and some of them would like to start. The alternative is to cease to exist, so what I say isn't crazy at all. They aren't going to remain as a 4 team conference....obviously.
@@morecowbell235 It was already getting paid like a G5. That's literally why everyone left.
I think if the Pac-12 still had USC and UCLA then a price range of $45-$50 million a season per team starts to make sense. With those 2 programs gone, they certainly should have lowered their expectations and tried to negotiate a $30 to $35 million a season. A combination of arrogance and stupidity caused this and now after this season, the Pac-12 is dead.
With USC and UCLA the PAC could have gotten $50-$55 million per school.
Maybe not. They play in the late window half the time.
...were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merrier christmas.
Only 30% of the USA population is West of the 100th meridian (Great Plains),
roughly US-81 …. with 70% audience to the East of that Line … that Limits the Audience.
@w9gb and of that 30%, only .0000653% watch sports... the rest are busy being homeless, making a hip-hop recording or just being weird and useless.
It can’t be said enough, after the Big Ten delivered the initial blow the PAC 12 did not collectively prioritize survival. They could have shored up their membership and then pursued a tv deal just like the Big 12. The Appletv proposal had issues but was not unworkable. I have to believe Colorado based its decision on Oregon/Washington’s reaction just as much as the deal itself.
good points. I think CO was looking for a way out as soon as USC and UCLA bounced.
These BIG schools can't wait. Thank you for this gift. What a conference!! Look at the games. And they are gonna get PAID.
Paul hit the nail right on the head. The PAC hired GK because he told them what they wanted to hear. And JC was their favorite exclusive reporter because he reported what they wanted said.
To me the rejection of 30 million a year shows that enough people making the decisions wanted PAC 12 to break up!
I disagree! College presidents tend to be liberal, and liberals tend to be very vain. What this is, is the pac 12 thinking they are much better than they actually are!
“Dude talks to the president and gets called crazy…then they turn out to be correct” That’s half the premise of Day After Tomorrow
How about the fact that at least 7 of the 10 schools knew their 'floor' almost a year ago? OR/WA knew there was 'some interest' in B1G land. UA,ASU,UU, CU all more than knew the XII was interested to say the least. Stanford knows there is interest and they could go Indy for a long time and be fine. Cal ultimately hates the toxic brutal game anyway and should just become a 'shuffle board' school. Hence herding the cats was not an easy task and only WSU/OSU will have to really pay the price for it all.
George KILL IT OFF turned out to be even worse than Scott if this is true. We could have still had a conference but for two WORTHLESS men.
Dumb Pac 12 did it to themselves. Smh. Turned that down from ESPN.
ESPN is killing CFB. They have given the SEC such an unfair advantage and clutch their purse strings for everyone else.
That’s dumb. SEC is what most people wanna watch. It’s the best run conference.
It’s a chicken and the egg, prior to Espn hyping them up..
sec was the premier conference, but not by a lot.. ESPN widened the gap by a lot
They're kicking the proverbial dead horse at this point. It's sad. If you had told me thirty years ago that one day I'd have no interest in college football I'd have laughed in your face. Now even as a UCLA alumni I have zero interest. Everything that was great about college football is dead.
How is ESPN killing CFB when they televise most of the games 🤡
ESPN is a big part of the problem in college football, but not for the reason you said.
They thought they were worth $45-50M as a conference? LOLOL, oh well, Big 12 got 4 of 'em. Now we can wait for the ACC to fall apart and we will get Pitt, Louisville, and a couple others.
They were unrealistic and snobby
Larry Scott and Kliavkoff must have been DEI hires. Yikes. .
Anyone been around a university ? These people are professors ,PHD's . They hire AD that are supposed to know. They hire and keep Larry Scott.
I blame university trustees who did not step in but allowed University Presidents to manage something out of their experience level.
I don’t buy it.
Colorado left because no offers had been presented.
Colorado or Arizona would have been the first to use this type of failure to justify their departures.
Seems like Canzano is getting played….
Having gotten one offer for $30 million, you might think it likely you could get a second one.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 no disagreement there.
But when you have at two schools bolt, at least one president publicly state that the only offer ever presented was the Apple one, and the ASU president and AD voicing their displeasure, don’t you think one person would have said this if it were true?
What happens when ESPN decides they rather just pay the SEC & teams that leave the ACC for the SEC? Big 12 stopped the bleeding but if Colorado doesn’t turn into an elite draw the conference won’t get another TV deal unless it’s another low ball deal they take to stay alive. Big 12 commish is trying to build up basketball because he knows espn will lose money on the Big 12 deal.
PAC’s TV rating is not even as good as the Big12, but they wanted $50 million per school? Please! If PAC gets $50 million per school then the Big12 should get $65 million per school because that is how much better the Big12’s TV rating is than the PAC’s!
How many night games were Big12 teams forced to play? How many of those were against the Pac12?
Exactly like the ACC football ratings.
Maybe the snooty managerial class liberal Pac12 fans are wealther then the redneck Big12 fans. So the Pac12, in theory, could generate more advertising dollars with less fans. Plus the cost of living is way more on the Left Coast, everything costs more money. The Pac12 also used to be in larger markets when they had the LA schools but they still probably have a lot of fans in that region. So maybe that was taken under consideration when the TV networks were crunching the numbers and coming up with a value for the Pac12.
Amazing, so the 4 corner schools to Big-12 and
Oregon & Washington to Big Ten will get $30 million / year in 2024/25 season -
that ESPN offered last year ??
They didn’t pursue ESPN + Streaming for remaining dollars ?
The Pac10 symps are now in the anger phase of their grief cycle….
Pac 12 - California based. Nuff said.
The reality is these type of people are running our country now! Explains a lot.
Can't watch football when you live on the street, and poop on the sidewalk.
The question is why was espn even offering $30 million per school. That is insane! This isn’t the sec, or big ten. In those regions people eat, breathe, sleep college football. It is FAR different on the west coast. Even if the LA schools had stayed that still would have been too much money.
The bottom line is that there are many pac 12 presidents, who need to fired immediately. Arrogance on sterioids!
Eh. It isn't arrogant to want more money. It is foolish to turn an offer down, though.
What about poaching some fcs teams just to fill some slots in the pac? Montana has a huge fan base and a amazing stadium for a fcs team.
For straight survival they should offer the G5 schools with biggest TV markets.
No way they go poach FCS programs.
The Pac-12 commissioner, ADs, presidents, etc. were as in-touch with the market as were Bud-Lite's marketing managers. They were so sure they were correct in their assumptions, they never saw the need to verify their beliefs.
Comment. “How can so many smart people, make so many bad decisions.” Problem is that they think they are smart and too smart for a bunch of midwestern. When truth is that the real smart one’s were the midwesterners. Because your school has a certain title attached to it, that does automatically make you the smartest or the best. They are getting the reality check they deserve. How they respond will really tell us how smart they are.
Should have asked for $37 million.
Appears John Canzano is having a come to Jesus moment, too bad he has zero credibility now.
Below zero.
Too many lies has led to negative credibility
That dude is a 🤡.
Well, they could have gotten 20million more per team, oooorrr nothing.... We all know how that turned out.
My dog could negotiate better the ole Georgey
The answer to how smart people can make such stupid decisions. The answer is when it comes to money you need a business man to make money decisions. Yormark baby. The Pac 12 needed a man with business sense. Too bad. I'm going to miss the Pac 12. Vaughn
Why you have a Nebraska helmet behind you when you’re a Big12 sports show?
David Smoak is a huge Nebraska guy
It's a national show now. They cover all college football conferences. Smoaky is a huge Nebraska fan even though he knows their glory days are over. These guys blew up when realignment started 2 years ago. They are very good.
He's a Nebraska fan. Probably not related, but NE was one of the founding members of the Big 12.
Old news… this is news from a year ago it’s not new news
as a Pac-12 alum I am happy to see it collapse. Leadership was horrible and they were making it irrelevant over the last several years. Can't wait to go to a conference that is truly passionate and supportive of football and thinks about their fans!!! Bye bye arrogant woke fools of the Pac 12....wish I could say it has been fun.