NB - people such as Dr Scott McLachlan, Peter Elston, Dr McConville, Prof Richard Gill, Sarrita Adams of Science on Trial, and others, were doing amazing work on this case well before the New Yorker article was published (albeit it was likely in gestation throughout that period) - and in some cases before the 2023 trial had even concluded.
evans is probably a friend of huw edwards with the same sexual preferences!! doctor briery knew about the sewage leak in the neo natal unit in 2012, before lucy worked at the chester hospital!! i don't know if he reported the leak to the hospital management but it seemed to get worse from june 2015 to spring 2016, the same period lucy was alleged to have 'killed' the babies!! coincidence or the reason they died? bear in mind that lucy did warn the hospital of a risk to the health of the babies in the neo natal unit of the chester hospital!! babies have a tendency to throw away dummies stuck in their mouths!
the homosexual prosecutor, johnson, had the nickname, 'superstar' among his peers in the legal profession, something which would have appealed to somebody of his 'sexual persuasion!!!! this allowed his lies to dazzle a gullible, mentally ignorant jury- 8 of whom were conveniently women in such an emotive case!!!
Yes I've been following Sarita Adams and Peter Elson from the very beginning a few months before the first trial. They should be given full credit as the New York times article was more an assemblage of what they'd already said. The fair used to them it presented the case in a more digestible format for lay people.
She is so obviously innocent, she should be released from prison immediately and all charges dropped. It doesn't need a retrial, there is no evidence against her and she should never have been charged in the first place.
My mum worked in paediatric intensive care (retired now) I always remember she would say, it’s the nurses who get the blame for everything. Doctors will stick together and throw the nurse under the bus, because they can. How sad is that?
We read about 17th century witch-hunts and think science innoculates us from such stupidity. This case shows how scientific methods can be entirely bypassed by human failings. You're doing a great job putting into words how many of us feel about this injustice. Keep going Mark.
Exactly, many innocent people have hanged in the past, nothing seems to have changed since the Witchfinder General wandered around looking for an innocent to string up.
Many people can see now she was used as a scapegoat and people will always be talking about this now untill she has a new trial, a fair trial, it wont go away as they would like it to.
It is doubtful that Lucy could ever receive a fair trial.The case should be thrown out by the CCRC as there is no credible evidence whatsoever.This Inquiry is a complete farce.
I have been wanting to do something to help Lucy Letby and all I can think to do is to watch a few of the RUclips channels each day dedicated to researching the false circumstantial evidence. I can use the knowledge to spread the word and debate online some of the false claims on the killer nurse videos that are around and the channels dedicated to saying she's guilty. I can like the videos for her innocence and like people's comments and leave a comment here and there and help the views go up by watching. I signed a petition. I am really happy there are people like you with the brains and good character to do this detailed reviewing of evidence and news articles. I won't let this go for the rest of my life until she is free. When an innocent, good and morally admirable person like Lucy is behind bars in the prime of her life, people are going to get pissed off.
Thanks Mark, Sarah, Anouk, Cheshire Police. Experienced stitch up merchants. Might suggest they ask another force to re-interview Brearey, Jayarum, Evans independently. of Cheshire Constabulary. Good wishes
I am already predicting a Netflix blockbuster about you and your.epic determination to see justice done. Others involved in this should be wary about how history judges them - including the lawyers and expert witnesses.
What could and should come out in the inquiry is the laziness, incompetence and bullying of the consultants and doctors, the disregard for the real health of these babies, the shortages of staff and disrespect for the nurses who had to struggle on without adequate support. In other words the appalling care given by the unit and its inability to cope with even earlier neonates that were only there for the duration Lucy was supposed to have gone on a killing spree. Maybe Thirlwall might be able to put two and two together finally if she has a brain cell.
Yes, workplace bullying is the issue here. This is an example of what it can lead to in the most evil of circumstances. I believe it will go down in history as the horror which workplace bullying can lead to, even miscarriage of justice.
The original spreadsheet had a doctor and another nurse (as well as Letby) on it for many of the cases, but by the time it was shown to the police only Letby's name was on the spreadsheet. There needs to be an investigation into why some names were removed and why Letby was singled out.
Exactly, anyone with a braincell should have obviously questioned why that was. It's like the only person working with the babies was Lucy. Why didn't they demand a list with every single Dr , nurse , health care worker, and cleaner who had access to the babies .
@@HENNAtabasun1990 it was all part of a schemed plan to make lucy the scapegoat!! everything the prosecutor were lies, conjecture & circumstantial evidence with no credible witnesses, except 2 9r 3 doctors who lied under oath, briery & jayaram were 2 of them! the hospital management, doctors & court officials were all corrupt & colluded to persuade a gullible, medically ignorant jury to find lucy 'guilty'!!
There's no point in producing another spreadsheet because the original one was totally worthless, In most of this case arguing against total bull is difficult unless you say it's utter crap and you're not allowed to say that in a court of law
The only time I ever doubted lucy was when I read an article stated she was content with myers as her lawyer. But that like everything else they've said about her was a lie as 24 hours later she dumped him...edit I didn't doubt her innocence...I doubted her willingness to fight on...I foolish I know
Remember the really big hurdle will be not the medical profession / nhs / hospital administrators or even the police but the legal profession. They will try to obfuscate and delay any review of the conviction (even if they come to acknowledge this this is inevitable), because a long-delayed review / quashing is just acceptable becvause memories fade, people move on, whereas a review / quashing very close to the original trial/s and conviction/s draws a lot of attention to appalling civilisational failings in the law courts / judiciary.
Statistics should not be allowed in a criminal trial. There is a saying, "There are three types of lie:- lies, damned lies, and statistics." There was a book published a few decades ago called "How to Lie with Statistics." I didn't read it but the title says a lot. I have a statistical background up to Master of Science degree.
@ionlyemergeafterdark that's exactly what they did with Lucy, statistics can only work with all the needed information. They chose to hide any part of the information that would have contradicted what they were accusing Lucy of their chosen scapegoat .
Everyone should be taught the basics of stats at school so they are not fooled by politicians or advertisers trying to sell products. It wouldn’t take long. All they need to know about is averages being mean median or mode, representative sampling, standard deviation, correlation versus cause and effect, and statistical significance. This could easily be learnt in six months and would protect people from being fooled by the shift chart for instance. Statistics can be used to cynically manipulate the public, but they can also be used as a mathematical tool in a noble attempt to reach objective truth. In the wrong hands they are destructive but in the right hands they are a path to the truth. How do you manage to do any scientific experiments if you think ALL statistics is bad? Doesn’t it make a mockery of being a scientist.
When all is said and done, i'd like Liz Hull to be done for defamation of character, calling us Ghouls & misfits. The thing is, i listened to their bias podcast the whole way through, and they failed to convince me of any guilt whatsoever. I just don't understand how people listening to the trial transcripts etc, see guilt. I don't get it.
Of course you don't get it you have to be stupid . These people get away with this because most people accept it on face value . I have known in my past too many of these twits Lawyers ,doctors accountants etc I am sure many are hard working and decent I just have not met any myself
So weird you say this because I feel the same I feel the podcast was so biased and il be honest I thought she must have been guilty because I never knew anything else about the case. But coming in as a person who nothing and listening to this podcast from start to finish I really wasn't convinced she did anything wrong and then I started digging and have realized she did nothing wrong. What convinced me she was guilty out of everything was the chart that showed her in duty. Well we all know that was a load of crock now
Personally speaking, i think in cases of circumstantial evidence, where we are dealing with probabilities and suppositions of what happened it is so wrong that this theory is the responsibility of one person ( no matter how well qualified)..... it should be a team of people of varying capability and experience ( with experience of all aspects of the job).... to give an account of what is most likely.... snd this should include detailing issues of kit recall, endotracheal tubing..... not simply by theory.... Im so sorry for Lucy I dont understand how Dr Evans can say anything about other cases if this enquiry has nothing to do with establishing guilt.... only the role of the hospital..... Thanks for the video.
Any sign of any investigation into the baby left behind the curtain that letby saved? Why were the doctors let off on that one? Monitor turned off and baby left without supervision ....
I have on Sept 7th 98 been described as "not Credible" by a tribunal concluding that i can time travel to engage a victim not present at the crime scene since 1992 - That was in 1998 and in 2024 the same justice system is holding an enquiry into 700 postmaster jailings when they were made aware of the process in 1998 and made a decision not to listen and to assist the offenders in their cover up. . Maybe i was credible after all but the evidence unpalatable until the victims reached 2700 and garnered the attendance of Toby Jones and Will Mellor - These statistics take time and take the liberty of innocent people of non occurring crimes Proclamation agenda based policing based on proximity and you are a bit stuffed if the alleged crimescene is your workplace,,,,,,,,,,, ask 700 jailed postmasters as Lucy is a victim of the same investigation process = lodge a complaint - get criminalised - Its a fit up for a failing hospital or a Fujitsu backhander. The parallels are obvious and intentional.
‼️Why did she deny she has done an air emblem course to the police recorded ? She said she don’t know anything about air emblem and has never done a course on it - that was a lie 🤥 she passed a hospital air emblem course - correct ? - why conceal it - when one answers that - we can consider her innocence- the deaths via air emblem started after she did the course - correct ? 😡‼️
I don't think the babies died by air embolism. That has been disproven by the fact that the red marks on the babies legs were moving position and were changing colour through out the different photos shown in court. The photos were more representative of a circulation problem. Also their were no specialists qualified in recognising air embolism in the case. It's all just speculation.
In the case of Rolf Harris the police put out the message for people to come forward if they thought they'd been molested by him... There were substantial compensations for anybody who responded.... Hundreds of people came forward many of them claim to have been molested at the same time making it impossible for Ralph to be in both places at once. The police cherry picked the ones that were possible and used the most credible witnesses... When these adults got to the solicitors they would then send them to psychiatrists they knew believed in the repressed memory theory. then the psychiatrists would persuade them that things had happened... They'd also persuade them that maybe a touch on a shoulder or hand on a knee was in fact a sexual act. I listen to the defence speaking about the case.. he said that as soon as one case was disproved more would come along. He said that you literally couldn't keep up with it because there were hundreds of accusations all of which needed investigating.... Ralph Harris was released from prison then returned to prison when there were more accusations that were not disproved. Because he'd been accused and imprisoned before the narrative kept going... I imagine this tactic of finding more babies to accuse Lucy of murdering or, which I think is quite ridiculous, attempting to murder, they keep having to defend against the accusations. I wonder whether her best line of defence is attack. What the police and press did was a violation of human rights and on a par with rape. Showing photos of her bedroom teddy and personal diaries is intrusion of a high order. They might as well have stuck a picture in the papers of her strips naked. Imagine how many perverts looked at her cute bedroom with pink childish things in it and the bed covers pulled back with her teddy on it
@scottaznavourian3720 Someone within the hospital is feeling guilty about what happened, I would say with all the leeked articles that have come out so far.I just hope Lucy knows we believe her and we wont give up until she's released and the whole world also knows she's innocent.
@HENNAtabasun1990 wouldn't be shocked if it's gibbs.i saw somewhere he was initially unconvinced from the data and right after trial he said he would never have thought ot lucy as anything but a great nurse if not for rhat
@@scottaznavourian3720 I think it was in the private eye article where it said right at the beginning when they noticed more deaths, Gibbs sent an email to his consultants reassuring them and saying it was more than likely an insignificant cluster, which would iron itself out, and did not indicate any problems. This is exactly what Richard Gill is saying and other statisticians. That there is no murder and no negligence.
It's strange that he didn't say what the rate of tube dislodgements was in the shifts that Lucy didn't work at Liverpool women's hospital at that time. He just cherry picks a general figure to compare to.
Thankyou Mark, I alternate between terrible rage at the injustice and the fear that the report of Lady Thirwell's findings will disappoint those of us who believe there has been a a catastrophic failure in care at The Countess of Chester hospital and desperation that Lucy will never be cleared of these charges against her. I remember you saying months back why weren't the doctors considered suspects. Those poor parents who have been through unimaginable distress believe an unsafe verdict, they and Lucy deserve the truth. I bet some of these doctors and senior managers retire before they loose their fat nhs pensions. There will never be proof of the lies they concocted to scapegoat Lucy.
2 out of the 4 managers retired before it got to court, and 2 managers side stepped to a different hospital, The NHS always look after their managers , they always land on their feet.
Thank you for letting me know this. I feel anyone working in the public sector such as NHS, police etc should have to return their lump sum and all pension payments if they are found guilty of committing crimes whilst employed. That might make people take their professional responsibilities seriously when serving the public.Same applies to MPS. I worked as a nurse for nearly 30 years at ward /community level and I and most of my colleagues would never dream of bringing the profession into disrepute. I do know that if there were problems at this level senior management always pushed back instead of being dynamic and working collegiately. That is why most managers are useless. The Peter Principal in all it's glory. SMH.
@maryj5593 NHS managers need to push for what's right and what's best , they need to stop all theses cover ups of poor practices and start taking responsibility for each and every failing instead of constantly looking for a fall guy to cover their lazy imcompatant backs. It's about time NHS managers start doing the job's they are paid to do.
I tend to feel it’s the doctors who were scapegoating Lucy rather than the managers.One female ‘manager ‘ said the doctors were conducting a witch hunt against Lucy, and another person called Mr. Green, who I think was a ‘manager’ said the doctors were behaving disgracefully the way they were scapegoating Lucy for their own failings. Also a ‘manager’ Eirian Powell said the chart with doctors names on duty during deaths had disappeared.This, to me, doesn’t sound as if the management are looking to make Lucy a scapegoat for their own failings, but more the doctors.
I watched the ITV news - nothing about the new developments, just the same narrative as a year ago and the parent's want of an apology. Of course the parents must be respected but we are also talking about a woman's life here. Nurse Beverly Allit who admitted her terrible crimes against babies is due for parole and could be free in the next 5 years.
He wants to keep trying to create doubt in people's minds but he is just making up crap or looking at certain events and trying to point the finger at Lucy but there is an explanation with what was happening with preterm babies and the tubes not fitting properly, not just the hospital where Lucy started her trading but across the whole country. It is easier to point the finger at one person rather than investigate systemic failures of the system on a grand scale
Many Thanks ....... i heard Dewi Evans has doctors of God Sons ???? . I wont say what a Dr Evans with a Swansea accent did to me and state he left me in 😞 . I will say that he acted and reacted in pure mal-information !!!!
NB - people such as Dr Scott McLachlan, Peter Elston, Dr McConville, Prof Richard Gill, Sarrita Adams of Science on Trial, and others, were doing amazing work on this case well before the New Yorker article was published (albeit it was likely in gestation throughout that period) - and in some cases before the 2023 trial had even concluded.
evans is probably a friend of huw edwards with the same sexual preferences!!
doctor briery knew about the sewage leak in the neo natal unit in 2012, before lucy worked at the chester hospital!! i don't know if he reported the leak to the hospital management but it seemed to get worse from june 2015 to spring 2016, the same period lucy was alleged to have 'killed' the babies!! coincidence or the reason they died?
bear in mind that lucy did warn the hospital of a risk to the health of the babies in the neo natal unit of the chester hospital!!
babies have a tendency to throw away dummies stuck in their mouths!
the homosexual prosecutor, johnson, had the nickname, 'superstar' among his peers in the legal profession, something which would have appealed to somebody of his 'sexual persuasion!!!! this allowed his lies to dazzle a gullible, mentally ignorant jury- 8 of whom were conveniently women in such an emotive case!!!
I imagine his glittering career will go up in a ball of flames when the truth is revealed.
Yes I've been following Sarita Adams and Peter Elson from the very beginning a few months before the first trial. They should be given full credit as the New York times article was more an assemblage of what they'd already said. The fair used to them it presented the case in a more digestible format for lay people.
@@DianaMaryM KEEP THE FAITH FOR LUCY!!
WE WILL NOT GIVE IN WE KEEP FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE !!
She is so obviously innocent, she should be released from prison immediately and all charges dropped. It doesn't need a retrial, there is no evidence against her and she should never have been charged in the first place.
The only trial I want to see is against all the so called professionals who have constructed this absolute sham of a conviction.
@@karenwall8643 I agree lovely x
@@karenwall8643❤
Me too - poor Lucy. She is in my prayers. The people who have done this to her are monsters. 🥲
lucy should be replaced in prison by the court officials, the hospital management & at least 2 doctors, ie jayaram & breary for perjury!!
Thirlwall can not ignore lucys case now
Nurses you are warned!
My mum worked in paediatric intensive care (retired now) I always remember she would say, it’s the nurses who get the blame for everything. Doctors will stick together and throw the nurse under the bus, because they can. How sad is that?
@@Yoohooyooohoooo I am a nurse I can say I am very concerned. Iv worked for the NHS before never again
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT !
A company may have manufactured faulty breathing tubes. That's how it got across the country. Faulty equipment is to be blamed.
We read about 17th century witch-hunts and think science innoculates us from such stupidity. This case shows how scientific methods can be entirely bypassed by human failings. You're doing a great job putting into words how many of us feel about this injustice. Keep going Mark.
Keep it going Mark well done good vid
Thanks for another fine video Mark, they are getting very, very desperate, they know the truth is closing in and crushing their sadistic narrative.
Thanks Mark Anouk, Sarah, Keep going. Regards John
Thanks Mark.
I certainly wouldn't trust the police to find a lost cat. They'd probably arrest it for hate crimes against rodents.
Great Comment that, 👍
This is one of the reasons why we should not bring back hangiing!
The one ray of light in this whole sham.
Exactly, many innocent people have hanged in the past, nothing seems to have changed since the Witchfinder General wandered around looking for an innocent to string up.
I have always said the same.
@@TrevorLee-x2f hilarious!
@@christophersmethurst9881 Not really, not for the victims anyway.
Many people can see now she was used as a scapegoat and people will always be talking about this now untill she has a new trial, a fair trial, it wont go away as they would like it to.
Absolutely, Crystal!
It is doubtful that Lucy could ever receive a fair trial.The case should be thrown out by the CCRC as there is no credible evidence whatsoever.This Inquiry is a complete farce.
I have been wanting to do something to help Lucy Letby and all I can think to do is to watch a few of the RUclips channels each day dedicated to researching the false circumstantial evidence. I can use the knowledge to spread the word and debate online some of the false claims on the killer nurse videos that are around and the channels dedicated to saying she's guilty. I can like the videos for her innocence and like people's comments and leave a comment here and there and help the views go up by watching. I signed a petition. I am really happy there are people like you with the brains and good character to do this detailed reviewing of evidence and news articles. I won't let this go for the rest of my life until she is free. When an innocent, good and morally admirable person like Lucy is behind bars in the prime of her life, people are going to get pissed off.
Senior polittician has concerns,the media are turning,momentum growing,we wont stop fighting.join us .
Thanks Mark, Sarah, Anouk, Cheshire Police. Experienced stitch up merchants. Might suggest they ask another force to re-interview Brearey, Jayarum, Evans independently. of Cheshire Constabulary. Good wishes
I am already predicting a Netflix blockbuster about you and your.epic determination to see justice done. Others involved in this should be wary about how history judges them - including the lawyers and expert witnesses.
It would be great if our lovely humble Mark was made a hero in a Netflix film.
What could and should come out in the inquiry is the laziness, incompetence and bullying of the consultants and doctors, the disregard for the real health of these babies, the shortages of staff and disrespect for the nurses who had to struggle on without adequate support. In other words the appalling care given by the unit and its inability to cope with even earlier neonates that were only there for the duration Lucy was supposed to have gone on a killing spree. Maybe Thirlwall might be able to put two and two together finally if she has a brain cell.
Yes, workplace bullying is the issue here. This is an example of what it can lead to in the most evil of circumstances. I believe it will go down in history as the horror which workplace bullying can lead to, even miscarriage of justice.
Thanks for this informative talk; much needed in these disappointing times
A sham show is this inquiry. Another way to try and hoodwink the public.
The original spreadsheet had a doctor and another nurse (as well as Letby) on it for many of the cases, but by the time it was shown to the police only Letby's name was on the spreadsheet. There needs to be an investigation into why some names were removed and why Letby was singled out.
corruption & perjury by the homosexual prosecutor & his friend the judge, in pay of the hospital!!!
Exactly, anyone with a braincell should have obviously questioned why that was. It's like the only person working with the babies was Lucy. Why didn't they demand a list with every single Dr , nurse , health care worker, and cleaner who had access to the babies .
@@HENNAtabasun1990 it was all part of a schemed plan to make lucy the scapegoat!!
everything the prosecutor were lies, conjecture & circumstantial evidence with no credible witnesses, except 2 9r 3 doctors who lied under oath, briery & jayaram were 2 of them! the hospital management, doctors & court officials were all corrupt & colluded to persuade a gullible, medically ignorant jury to find lucy 'guilty'!!
There's no point in producing another spreadsheet because the original one was totally worthless, In most of this case arguing against total bull is difficult unless you say it's utter crap and you're not allowed to say that in a court of law
The only time I ever doubted lucy was when I read an article stated she was content with myers as her lawyer. But that like everything else they've said about her was a lie as 24 hours later she dumped him...edit I didn't doubt her innocence...I doubted her willingness to fight on...I foolish I know
Remember the really big hurdle will be not the medical profession / nhs / hospital administrators or even the police but the legal profession. They will try to obfuscate and delay any review of the conviction (even if they come to acknowledge this this is inevitable), because a long-delayed review / quashing is just acceptable becvause memories fade, people move on, whereas a review / quashing very close to the original trial/s and conviction/s draws a lot of attention to appalling civilisational failings in the law courts / judiciary.
I don’t think the DT is going to let this go.
I just hope she stays "safe and in good health" if you know what I mean.
This case is big enough to destroy our judiciary as we know it.
The whole fake trial is a mess!
I think it's BULLSHIT dripping from them Mark. 🙏🙏😎FREE Lucy Now
Statistics should not be allowed in a criminal trial. There is a saying, "There are three types of lie:- lies, damned lies, and statistics." There was a book published a few decades ago called "How to Lie with Statistics." I didn't read it but the title says a lot. I have a statistical background up to Master of Science degree.
@ionlyemergeafterdark that's exactly what they did with Lucy, statistics can only work with all the needed information. They chose to hide any part of the information that would have contradicted what they were accusing Lucy of their chosen scapegoat .
Everyone should be taught the basics of stats at school so they are not fooled by politicians or advertisers trying to sell products. It wouldn’t take long. All they need to know about is averages being mean median or mode, representative sampling, standard deviation, correlation versus cause and effect, and statistical significance. This could easily be learnt in six months and would protect people from being fooled by the shift chart for instance. Statistics can be used to cynically manipulate the public, but they can also be used as a mathematical tool in a noble attempt to reach objective truth. In the wrong hands they are destructive but in the right hands they are a path to the truth. How do you manage to do any scientific experiments if you think ALL statistics is bad? Doesn’t it make a mockery of being a scientist.
Blimey u shook it up today makes my blood boil all these creeps
The Evening Standard posted an article saying how the supposed confessions of ''I am evil'' was part of therapy
When all is said and done, i'd like Liz Hull to be done for defamation of character, calling us Ghouls & misfits. The thing is, i listened to their bias podcast the whole way through, and they failed to convince me of any guilt whatsoever. I just don't understand how people listening to the trial transcripts etc, see guilt. I don't get it.
Of course you don't get it you have to be stupid . These people get away with this because most people accept it on face value . I have known in my past too many of these twits Lawyers ,doctors accountants etc I am sure many are hard working and decent I just have not met any myself
So weird you say this because I feel the same
I feel the podcast was so biased and il be honest I thought she must have been guilty because I never knew anything else about the case. But coming in as a person who nothing and listening to this podcast from start to finish I really wasn't convinced she did anything wrong and then I started digging and have realized she did nothing wrong. What convinced me she was guilty out of everything was the chart that showed her in duty. Well we all know that was a load of crock now
I'd listened to their original Trial of Lucy Letby through the whole case. I could not believe the guilty verdict.
We know the Thirwell is a load of
Personally speaking, i think in cases of circumstantial evidence, where we are dealing with probabilities and suppositions of what happened it is so wrong that this theory is the responsibility of one person ( no matter how well qualified)..... it should be a team of people of varying capability and experience ( with experience of all aspects of the job).... to give an account of what is most likely.... snd this should include detailing issues of kit recall, endotracheal tubing..... not simply by theory....
Im so sorry for Lucy
I dont understand how Dr Evans can say anything about other cases if this enquiry has nothing to do with establishing guilt.... only the role of the hospital.....
Thanks for the video.
Any sign of any investigation into the baby left behind the curtain that letby saved? Why were the doctors let off on that one? Monitor turned off and baby left without supervision ....
I have on Sept 7th 98 been described as "not Credible" by a tribunal concluding that i can time travel to engage a victim not present at the crime scene since 1992 - That was in 1998 and in 2024 the same justice system is holding an enquiry into 700 postmaster jailings when they were made aware of the process in 1998 and made a decision not to listen and to assist the offenders in their cover up. . Maybe i was credible after all but the evidence unpalatable until the victims reached 2700 and garnered the attendance of Toby Jones and Will Mellor - These statistics take time and take the liberty of innocent people of non occurring crimes Proclamation agenda based policing based on proximity and you are a bit stuffed if the alleged crimescene is your workplace,,,,,,,,,,, ask 700 jailed postmasters as Lucy is a victim of the same investigation process = lodge a complaint - get criminalised - Its a fit up for a failing hospital or a Fujitsu backhander. The parallels are obvious and intentional.
This is utterly pathetic. Do they think the general public are totally gullible.
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I wonder how much of this is getting through to Lucy? I bet she could do with a lift!
Mark, for a bit of comic relief, imagine Evans' invoice for 83 extubation findings @ £450/hour!
‼️Why did she deny she has done an air emblem course to the police recorded ? She said she don’t know anything about air emblem and has never done a course on it - that was a lie 🤥 she passed a hospital air emblem course - correct ? - why conceal it - when one answers that - we can consider her innocence- the deaths via air emblem started after she did the course - correct ? 😡‼️
I don't think the babies died by air embolism. That has been disproven by the fact that the red marks on the babies legs were moving position and were changing colour through out the different photos shown in court. The photos were more representative of a circulation problem. Also their were no specialists qualified in recognising air embolism in the case. It's all just speculation.
In the case of Rolf Harris the police put out the message for people to come forward if they thought they'd been molested by him... There were substantial compensations for anybody who responded.... Hundreds of people came forward many of them claim to have been molested at the same time making it impossible for Ralph to be in both places at once. The police cherry picked the ones that were possible and used the most credible witnesses... When these adults got to the solicitors they would then send them to psychiatrists they knew believed in the repressed memory theory.
then the psychiatrists would persuade them that things had happened... They'd also persuade them that maybe a touch on a shoulder or hand on a knee was in fact a sexual act.
I listen to the defence speaking about the case.. he said that as soon as one case was disproved more would come along. He said that you literally couldn't keep up with it because there were hundreds of accusations all of which needed investigating.... Ralph Harris was released from prison then returned to prison when there were more accusations that were not disproved.
Because he'd been accused and imprisoned before the narrative kept going...
I imagine this tactic of finding more babies to accuse Lucy of murdering or, which I think is quite ridiculous, attempting to murder, they keep having to defend against the accusations.
I wonder whether her best line of defence is attack. What the police and press did was a violation of human rights and on a par with rape. Showing photos of her bedroom teddy and personal diaries is intrusion of a high order. They might as well have stuck a picture in the papers of her strips naked.
Imagine how many perverts looked at her cute bedroom with pink childish things in it and the bed covers pulled back with her teddy on it
'Gibbbs is almost never there' and that made him easy to manipulate
Negligent absentee Gibbs!
@@dianamincher6479 but maybe the only one who feels guilty
@scottaznavourian3720 Someone within the hospital is feeling guilty about what happened, I would say with all the leeked articles that have come out so far.I just hope Lucy knows we believe her and we wont give up until she's released and the whole world also knows she's innocent.
@HENNAtabasun1990 wouldn't be shocked if it's gibbs.i saw somewhere he was initially unconvinced from the data and right after trial he said he would never have thought ot lucy as anything but a great nurse if not for rhat
@@scottaznavourian3720 I think it was in the private eye article where it said right at the beginning when they noticed more deaths, Gibbs sent an email to his consultants reassuring them and saying it was more than likely an insignificant cluster, which would iron itself out, and did not indicate any problems. This is exactly what Richard Gill is saying and other statisticians. That there is no murder and no negligence.
It's strange that he didn't say what the rate of tube dislodgements was in the shifts that Lucy didn't work at Liverpool women's hospital at that time. He just cherry picks a general figure to compare to.
Thankyou Mark, I alternate between terrible rage at the injustice and the fear that the report of Lady Thirwell's findings will disappoint those of us who believe there has been a a catastrophic failure in care at The Countess of Chester hospital and desperation that Lucy will never be cleared of these charges against her.
I remember you saying months back why weren't the doctors considered suspects.
Those poor parents who have been through unimaginable distress believe an unsafe verdict, they and Lucy deserve the truth. I bet some of these doctors and senior managers retire before they loose their fat nhs pensions. There will never be proof of the lies they concocted to scapegoat Lucy.
2 out of the 4 managers retired before it got to court, and 2 managers side stepped to a different hospital, The NHS always look after their managers , they always land on their feet.
Thank you for letting me know this.
I feel anyone working in the public sector such as NHS, police etc should have to return their lump sum and all pension payments if they are found guilty of committing crimes whilst employed. That might make people take their professional responsibilities seriously when serving the public.Same applies to MPS.
I worked as a nurse for nearly 30 years at ward /community level and I and most of my colleagues would never dream of bringing the profession into disrepute. I do know that if there were problems at this level senior management always pushed back instead of being dynamic and working collegiately. That is why most managers are useless. The Peter Principal in all it's glory.
SMH.
@maryj5593 NHS managers need to push for what's right and what's best , they need to stop all theses cover ups of poor practices and start taking responsibility for each and every failing instead of constantly looking for a fall guy to cover their lazy imcompatant backs. It's about time NHS managers start doing the job's they are paid to do.
I tend to feel it’s the doctors who were scapegoating Lucy rather than the managers.One female ‘manager ‘ said the doctors were conducting a witch hunt against Lucy, and another person called Mr. Green, who I think was a ‘manager’ said the doctors were behaving disgracefully the way they were scapegoating Lucy for their own failings. Also a ‘manager’ Eirian Powell said the chart with doctors names on duty during deaths had disappeared.This, to me, doesn’t sound as if the management are looking to make Lucy a scapegoat for their own failings, but more the doctors.
I watched the ITV news - nothing about the new developments, just the same narrative as a year ago and the parent's want of an apology. Of course the parents must be respected but we are also talking about a woman's life here. Nurse Beverly Allit who admitted her terrible crimes against babies is due for parole and could be free in the next 5 years.
He wants to keep trying to create doubt in people's minds but he is just making up crap or looking at certain events and trying to point the finger at Lucy but there is an explanation with what was happening with preterm babies and the tubes not fitting properly, not just the hospital where Lucy started her trading but across the whole country. It is easier to point the finger at one person rather than investigate systemic failures of the system on a grand scale
Many Thanks ....... i heard Dewi Evans has doctors of God Sons ????
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I wont say what a Dr Evans with a Swansea accent did to me and state he left me in 😞
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I will say that he acted and reacted in pure mal-information !!!!