The SECRET Descendents of Ravenclaw | Harry Potter Theory
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Today Ben dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to uncover a Black Family secret: They are all descendants of Ravenclaw just not Rowena Ravenclaw...
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This is not a theory: it is the first draft of the script for the future Founders series.
Yeh
hehe yes
haha true
the Founder series ISN'T going to happen QUIT ASKING FOR IT!
@@matthewbates9629 we can dream can’t we?
Can we just pretend that SCB wrote the books and now they’re just filling they’re own plot holes and that’s why everything makes sense
I like your plan lol
@@aaryntip5989 ✏
@@aaryntip5989 I’ll sign it 🖊
What do you mean? They did?
Nope. The theories they been putting out lately are kinda ridiculous. Not on board with this plan.
Ravens are known for intelligence in the modern era, but in medieval times, the eagle was a more prominent symbol for wisdom and intelligence, while the raven more archetypically represented cunning and trickery.
Good evidence for this is the poem the raven nevermore! Lol and the fact so many medieval houses have eagles on thier coat of arms
True, because eagles were told to look direclty at the sun, so they look at the truth. And they fly highter than other birds so it was also a symbol to elevating yourself.
Ravens and crows were also seen as bad omens and sometimes associated with death and dark magic...
Part of that was probably because ravens and crows, smart as they are, damage crops.
and witchcraft
"Three sisters. One seperated from the other two, not caring about blood-purity"
That sounds awfully familiar. If this theory is true, history is repeating itself in the same family with Andromeda Tonks, Bellatrix Lestrange and Narzissa Malfoy. Three sisters. One seperated from the other two, not caring about blood-purity/ that Ted Tonks was a muggle.
I thought 💭 the exact same while I heard it
Actually, Ted Tonks was a muggle-born wizard who was also.... wait for it, a Hufflepuff, which is how his daughter was also a Hufflepuff and how he and a Slytherin of his same year and his future wife, Andromeda Black, met.
"Narcissa".
The whole franchise is built on symbolism and repeating itself (albeit with other people) so it wouldnt' surprise me if that was the case.
I'm two years late on this, but that also happens with Callidora, Charis, and Cedrella Black! Cedrella was disowned for marrying blood traitor Septimus Weasley.
“I’m just going to assume you trust me.”
Well you should. Because I do.
Spider: Gooood, Goooooooooood...
With every cell of my body
Dentists give people crowns. Hermione's parents are dentists. Only logical conclusion, Hermione is the Heir of Ravenclaw. 🤣
That would… make perfect sense
Well Done.
🙌🙌 yes 100% lol
I believe you now
😂😂😂
J k Rowling: *has a limited vocabulary*
SCB: THIS IS ALL LINKED
Still end up believing it 😂
she's used specific word choices to drop some super obvious hints before (Remus Lupin, anyone?) so it does stand to reason to believe something based on her wording
Umm no.. playing with words to hide Easter eggs is a signature brushstroke of JK Rowling
@@mrigankamaulichakraborty7088 it was a joke
@@kimhongnguyen9576 remember this scene in charms class in the first book.
Hermione: it's "Transphobia", not "protecting women's rights"
@@DeeSnow97 agree. But I doupt she is so clever to make all of this up and drop so many small hints. Remember when dumbledore put harry in a freezing November night on the Dursley's doorstep when the next morning was a sunday where everyone sleeps long? I bet Lily's love didn't protect him from freezing to death.
Sirius also said once: "...my parents, with their pure-blood mania, convinced that to be a Black made you practically royal..." so maybe it was not just the pure-blood mania but indeed their royalty.
From what we know about actual history it actually makes sense. The blacks have a french family motto called "toujours pur", the lestranges have obviously a french name. So it is quite likely that the ravenclaw sisters married into french magical royalty. Rowena lived about 1000 A.D. in Scotland. About this time the famous MacBeth was king of Scotland but shortly after the english controlled scotland. In 1066 William the Conqueror and the french normans conquered Britain. Leading to a french royalty all over the kingdom. If we assume that the blacks and lestranges were part of those norman royalty, it would make sense for the ravenclaws to meeting them and marrying into those families.
Wasn't the founder of the Malfoy family a Norman lord who fought at Hastings with William the Conqueror? It seems like Slytherin is just littered with ancient-aristocratic-French-Norman-pureblood families.
@@barbiquearea yes I think so, too. "Mal fois" is french as well.
What's interesting about that theory is that French Normandy has Viking roots and mixed ancestry as well.
Yes, in Pottermore they said that many of the oldest pureblood families arrived in Great Britain with the Normans. The Normans spoke french but their nobles were of viking origin...
In HPB they literally tell us there are no royal wizarding families, which is why they think it’s a nickname made up by someone who wanted to be royalty , but really it’s just Snape’s mom’s maiden name.
"he got most if not all of his followers from Slytherin"
**Squeaking Peter Pettigrew noises**
Not enough House-Elves-Theorys!!
People like to forget what house the unsavoury non-slytherins were. Meawhile good slytherins like Andromeda Tonks get forgotten.
Or even the good qualities of otherwise bad people, like Narcissa and Belatrix were both loved by Kreacher cause they treated him better than Sirius treated him (not to mention Regulus who literally realized how evil Voldemort was due to how he treated a houseelf and then drank the potion himself giving up his life rather than risking the elf again), get forgotten. People like to gloss over the fact that by the end of his 4th year Harry had been attacked by all of his defense against the dark arts teachers (even tho we recognice lupin only did so under the effects of lycanthropy), with 2 of them doing so on the belaf of voldemort yet only one of those 4 teachers were possibly from slytherin - tho we dont know for sure since as far as I can find Barty Crouch Jrs hogwartshouse is never canonically stated. Quirell and Lockheart were both ravenclaws. I think its kinda funny that its such a widely known "fact" that there wasnt a witch or Wizard who went bad who wasnt in Slytherin but the canon text keeps disproving this by consistently giving us non-slytherin main or secondary badguys for the first 3 movies, possibly even the 4th movie, and this is even acnowledged by the wizarding community since Hagrid is believed to have opened the chamber of secrets the first time despite being a gryffindor, and Sirius Black was publically believed to be one of Voldemorts staunchest supporters despite also being a Gryfindor. In 5th year all of the center and front stage badguys are Slytherins, including Umbridge, but it is unknown what house Fudge is in, and by book 6 our only reall antagonist is Voldy himself with a hint of a reluctant Draco. But that means that confirmed 3/7 with a possible 4/7 of the books atleast 50% of the villain are non slytherins eith an even higher degree if one takes into account that what is publically known and recognized by the ministry.
Out of all that tho my most mindboggling thing Ive noticed is that Hagrid knew Sirius well, and would definately have been aware that he was a Gryffindor that went bad, yet still says that there wasnt a witch or wizard who went bad who wasnt a slytherin. So theres definately a bias and a myth or atleast a widespread belief to the point where even people who knows for a fact that it isnt true will still repeat it as fact
@@Ami-zi6si ofcourse its biased. The author herself is biased, she doesnt like people liking Slytherins, or Draco
@@Ami-zi6si My goodness, does no one understand the phrase "There wasn't a witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin"?
I get that it's from Hagrid, so the grammar's pretty messy, but, guys, the way you're all determinedly misunderstanding it is absurd by now.
(Aka, you're not the only one making this endlessly frustrating mistake, Ami, so, nothing against you personally. I'd just like to get this clarified.)
It's not that hard. Here, I'll translate Hagrid: "If you are sorted into Slytherin, it's pretty much a given you're going to go bad."
He says nothing about the other three houses consistently turning out angels. And, to be fair to Hagrid, Slytherin House IS where the values are that most "future dark wizards" would best align with, and so is where most "future dark wizards" end up being sorted.
Now, I agree, him saying that was wrong. It was based on Voldemort, and on the vast majority of Voldy's followers that had been sorted there; and it skated over the graduates of the House who did not go on to be Dark wizards or witches. (Keep in mind that in that instance, Harry was asking for information about Slytherin and Hufflepuff, having just learned that they were Hogwarts Houses, and was particularly interested in those two because of his talk with Draco Malfoy in Florean Fortescue's ice-cream parlour.)
@@Ami-zi6si Harry was actually attacked by ALL six of his DADA teachers through his 6 years at Hogwarts (Quirrell in the room with the mirror, Lockheart outside the chamber of secrets, Lupin as a werewolf, Barty Crouch as Moody in his office, Umbridge slaps him in her office and even makes him carve words in his own hand, and Snape knocked him over in the 1/2 blood Prince when he was helping the Death Eaters escort Draco Malfoy out).
"Let's talk Harry Potter!"
Well, that's new.
"Lets talk, Harry Potter"
@@viciousimpaler Let’s talk Harry, Potter.
@@haewonchoi2752 that doesn't make much sense though... It should be
"Lets talk ABOUT Harry, Potter." This doesn't fit in here
Let’s, talk Harry Potter
@@viciousimpaler no he wanted to yalk TO harry
I do like how this story for Ravenclaw and her sisters mirrors the Black sisters. Bellatrix and Narcissa both marry into prominent pureblood families (one of them even being Lestrange) and then Andromeda would be the stand in for Ravenclaw, rejecting her family's ideals and going on to raise her daughter. Sort of how so many other characters throughout the series can find mirrors throughout history.
A fully Good Slytherin we know about is actually Merlin, the guy whom helped King Arthur and established the Order of Merlin which was originally dedicated to helping Muggles.
You forgot Regulus Black as good Slytherin.
Yeah I was gonna say
Yup! And Andromeda Tonks 💚
Regulus was a Death Eater. He doesn't count any more than Snape and Slughorn.
@@coolnerdlll6053 I'd argue he got more redemption than the other two, but ymmv. Slughorn was just lukewarm, slightly more morals than Mundungus. Snape is a whole TED Talk, but whether you see more villain or hero re:war, on a personal level (especially as a teacher) he was pretty awful. Regulus got in too deep, realized he was wrong, & tried to make it right as best he could. He didn't know there were other horcruxes, but drank the poison to get the locket, ordered Kreacher to destroy it, & left a replica with a note for Voldy saying "Yeah, it was me & I want you to know it. Don't care if it killed me because I've taken your immortality with me. Can't wait for someone to take you out" [paraphrased, but still, that's a lot of chutzpah!]
A lot of what the story tells is about redemption. Harry's dad and malfoy are actually the parallel characters. James Potter starting off with a superiority complex and a bully, just like malfoy. Whilst Snape started off more like Harry, with his rough beginnings. Snape just let his anger and bitterness consume him. While Harry didn't. Malfoy, like Harry's dad, could've gone down similar paths to being bad guys, if not for the love of the people around him. Malfoy in the end got a very similar kind of love, from his mother, and Snape to a degree, and through Snape, Dumbledore. He didn't become a hero, but he never quite fell as far as voldemorts death eaters.
Burger King. They got themselves a fine crowned profession.
Sounds like royalty to me but okay
That's..true 🍔
Lol
Not enough Theorys!
Especially not about House Elves!!
Dont be so Wizard-only!! Be inclusive!!
Huh?
I, a non-native English speaker listening to this without actually looking at the video, got really confused and thought he was saying "hottie" instead of "haughty" hahaha
"baron, by the way, also a royal title."
No. Royal and Noble are not the same thing.
Thank you! Not the first time he was mixing up royalty and nobility....
I mean, barons can have royal blood through marriages, or giving smaller titles and land to children outisde the 'main line'. The division is largely meaningless, all are people who hoard land and money, and abuse a broken system designed to keep them on top. Never am sure why people care about this stuff "this talentless rich kid's great great grandfather was a mass murderer, better give them my attention!" XD
@@notthis9586 people with a lot of money can do scary things even hide the truth
me who´s apereantly a ravenclaw according to every quiz :
*nervous sweating*
Lol same!
To be fair, Ravenclaw is the correct house.
I know the feeling
@Gyandeep Khuntia it's a joke about how Ravenclaws value getting the correct answers in tests. If you were a true Ravenclaw you wouldn't get it and would try and correct me instead... Wait a minute...
@Rodrigo Santos Valeriano The one that card about being correct I guess.
Not a bad theory. I think all the evidence is a little tangential, being haughty and having crowns is something not strange for a rich family to have, but it is similar enough that I'd believe it.
The fact that the skull is still attached to the lestrange crown is interesting though. Could be an anti-theft curse that is tied to the dead family line.
I am quite sure that JK don’t planned this kind of back stories. So it is likely all a coincidence. But it is an awesome theory and it makes a lot of sense. It is my new headcanon
All of the purebloods are related. But only book fans would know that.
@@anvime739 She actually did plan out the back stories in quite a lot of detail, however she couldn't fit all those details in the book and that's why she made Pottermore. She needed someone she could put the rest of the cannon back stories and other cannon things she couldn't add in the book. She releases new content at a slow rate though as to keep people interested. She also releases information based on what the readers want to know. This is common among many authors as it is actually an excercise used to help with writers block. When you get writters block when trying to write a minor charecter many creative writing classes teach you to think of a backstory for that charecter even if you never add it to the story. I've used this technique as a fan fiction writer. I hope to actually write my own book one day.
I think it's a connection via imagery and symbolism. Like how some authors foreshadow reveals of connections with similar descriptions amongst characters.
I once wrote a fic where Harry finds the tombs of the four founders in the chamber of secrets then every pure blood character takes a blood test to prove their legitimacy as it turns out after 1000 years of aristocratic inbreeding no one was more related to any of the founders any more then anyone else
And in one hilariously moment draco realised he's just as much the heir of slytherin as Neville Harry and Ron
You can't just say this and then not post a link. 😄
One thing to think about: Diadems were not common during the medieval era, at least not in the region we are talking about. This may suggest an even earlier origin in antiquity, or in another area (medieval greece, maybe even further east ).
(JKR simply not knowing such details is NOT an option on this channel, the wilder the theory the better)
A video about possible origins of the founders themselve could be interesting (Salazar is a portugese/spanish name which for me sounds a lot like "Salamanca", a place in Spain where, according to legend, the devil taught the secrets of dark magic.......)
Well, we have the Ravenclaw's links to Albania, which is as good as Greece for the sake of this argument; but that would lead back to "does Albania here refer to the adriatic country of Alba as in Scotland" ... Also, eagle both on the Albanian flag and the diadem.
@@kaisattelberg5548 It's the country. In the books it always say that the forest is overseas...
Salazar is a surname in Spain... the name of a noble family form Aragon
@@hatsuharuboiSalazar is my grandmother’s maiden name.
If there's anything jk Rowling should do, it's tell the story of the four founders. Not a sequel series (the cursed child isn't cannon to me, just some fanfic.)
So true, we literally know so much more about the history of Ilvermorny!
I feel the same way!! It was a pretty horrible fanfic and cashgrab as well. There is no way that he would have a child with Bellatrix or anyone else!! He was too focused on trying to live forever!!
There are too many inconsistencies with the main series in cursed child for me to think it's canon.
Sisters of House Black is more cannon then that.
@@hanakasia570 It really is I've taken it as headcanon anyway and those actors are my fancast for those characters
The last time I was this early they were still doing the socks of the week thing
THESE SOCKS ARE AMAZING
I miss that
I remember that
Those were the good old days
bring back the socks
bring back the socks
bring back the socks
I was just thinking the very same! Miss that ending.
As a Ravenclaw I really like this theory because we don’t want our only bad guy to be Quirrell
"...if she hadn't been wearing a look that suggested there was a nasty smell under her nose"
hmmm, where have I heard that description in the books before (multiple times even)? *coughs* Petunia Dursley *cough cough*
OOOOOHHHHH
So like maybe Lily’s magic came from someone wayyy back who branched off and their family was slowly turned ”muggle” but not 100%.
@@jenniferwettervik4495 or a squib who married muggle
Add in the fact that the Evans family was pretty well off (considering Petunias view of Snape) and that Lily was good enough to catch the eye of Slughorn... I could definitely see this!
@@slimnagirac3393 I don't think you'd need to be very rich to have such a view of the Snape family - they seem to be the literal coffee-grounds of society; adding in that the Evans's still live in Cokesworth, a city seemingly founded purely on the factory and overall rather poor-ish, as well as their probable Walisian roots (based on the last name and people from Wales flooding into the industrial centers in that general area), I wouldn't place them to high up on the social ladder (even though one could argue that Vernon might then have been out of Petunia's league).
Though that wouldn't, in my head-canon, disqualify them from also having some form of magical heritage, as I feel like the Celtic fringe (Wales, Scotland, Ireland) has produced not only a bunch of note-worthy muggle-born wizards, but is also home to Hogwarts itself, for example.
Whiping a tear away coz next year Ben will have his first father's day *-*
Really?! Where have I been?! And why don’t I know this?!
@@gabriellereed5108 watch th pop cast specifically the end of “what’s the best Harry Potter movie”
Ben, you’re a ravenclaw, stop pretending you’re a slytherin
Right? I mean he doesnt HAVE to be a slytherin just because J is.
Like is it just him following his brother, or does he hate ravenclaw? (I dont think he hates any house for the record.)
I dont understand why he so strongly wants to be in slytherin other than the facts J is in it.
Granted the hat lets you choose and he is choosing slytherin...
BUT COME ON BEN! show some more representation with diversity.
(Not that im in ravenclaw personally. So i dont really have a driving force for him to be there, i just feel he fits better there than he does in slytherin.)
@@Wolf-E-Romeo Although going through the whole series and finding every "haughty" does show some ambition
he got resorted. i did the same thing
i know that the sorting hat factors in your own desires when choosing a house,but neither of these guys come of as slytherins to me at all (they never really show any ambition,cleverness,resourcefulness or pride) but ARE very ravenclaw (creative enough to come up with fan theories and have made a living off studying things to make videos about them). i don't know what makes these guys so drawn to slytherin but it's not as good a fit as ravenclaw.
@@JT5555 i think they are VERY....HIGHLY....EXTREMELY ambitious. Also possibly resourcefulness. And you dont think they have any pride???..... *as ben shows off his shirt...as they both show off their store items and such*
I think J is more slytherin though.
Its like ben is the slytherin hermione....smart enough to be in ravenclaw, but kinda chose another house.
On page 92 of the Order of the Phoenix Sirius says, “my parents with their pureblood mania, where convinced that to be a Black made you practically royal.”
Also, the Black family tapestry says “The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black” - Noble is a word used to show high ranking social class such as royalty.
Little known fact. Rowena was heavily into the pageant scene in her youth.
What scene?
@@slevinchannel7589 The pageant scene
@@DraakjeYoblama The what scene?
@@General12th scene can also mean industry
SuperCarlinbrothers : *makes a video *
Me : *clicks faster than Harry could say “ but I am the chosen one “ *
Lol!
*smacks head with parchment*
@@laurynwalton sorry
Cute little Ben and J in the intro. Props to whomever did it!
Not enough House-Elves-Theorys!!
I always thought Morgana Le Fay was Rowenas sister. Her last name transformed into Lestrange. Her symbol IS a raven and Rowena and Morgana never got along so she picked an eagle instead. It just makes sense. She even has the look.
I just realized that the Harry VS Voldemort story continues Godric VS Salazar story follows their morals more than you'd think. Voldemort is related to Salazar by blood, which they both value a lot, and Harry is related to Godric by character.
Wow who else is here before this video wasn’t even uploaded 5 minutes ago
7 minutes for me
No one asked you
“ I’m just going to assume that you agree with me”
Well you assume correctly because I pretty much always agree with you, Ben
The C-Brothers... They got sponsed by
Socks and K-Knives and what-not-else... but
have they ever been sponsed by a Pro-Autism
Organization?
And no, i dont mean the Evil Ones like 'Autism Speaks', lol no. No. Lol no.
I mean the real ones.
@@slevinchannel7589 I’m going to be honest I’m really confused right now
@@VixenIsGender Asking questions usually helps with that.
@@slevinchannel7589 ok my question is what are you talking about?
@@VixenIsGender My comment should answer that already.
I feel like there's something everyone has overlooked. What if the Professor McGonagall in Fantastic Beasts isn't Minerva?
This deserves a like. Did they say Minerva in the movie?
@@clairebear31 I don't believe so. She's only ever called Professor McGonagall
SCB discussed this too. that theory also doesn’t add up. heres the link! ruclips.net/video/HS043xUMS94/видео.html
@@yvessalingeman5104 why wouldn't it add up? Isobel lived in Scotland with her family. She could've easily gone to Hogwarts. And she'd be about the right age.
@@cameronhodgetts920 Isobel’s maiden name wasn’t McGonagall. That was her name after she married, and when she did, she stopped practicing magic so she couldn’t well have been a professor at that time
Merlin, for God Sake! He is a good slytherin!
Oh, and Andromeda Tonks
By now these guys might have revealed the whole Harry Potter series in their videos. Considering how many theories they have made😅🤷🏽♀️
And they are better than the movies. 🤣🤣🤣😂
I just watched J's video from tuesday and thought "I haven't heard an HP theory from Ben in a long time" and boom here you are!
“...ravens are considered to be the most intelligent birds...”
Owls:
“MOTHER F-“
Actually they symbolize wisdom owls ain’t that smart parrots are where it’s at don’t believe me ask toerzoo
@@hrn8935 Yeah. Owls are definitely not that intelligent. Specially compared to ravens (and relatives like magpie) and parrots.
Yeah, owls’ brains are TINY, they’re not that smart 😂
They weren't always considered a symbol for wisdom. In some Christian contexts, they were even linked to ignorance. Since owls are active at night, ergo "never see the light", they were thought to be foolish because they avoid the light of knowledge as brought by Jesus (I am the light).
@@kimhongnguyen9576 English is the hardest language to learn?
Before, I thought Dumbledore was the heir of Ravenclaw while Harry was the heir to Gryffindor.
I read this as Dobby being the heir of ravenclaw
They could be, and possibly descendants of both considering how small the community is, and how much time has passed. Considering Gryffindor is always depicted with red hair, I'd say their is a good chance the Weasley family may be the closest to direct descendants. Not necessarily from Godric, just the Gryffindor family.
Believe what you want.
JK Rowling said that Dumbledore was in Griffindor so why would the heir of Ravenclaw be in Griffindor house
@@bubbletea695 Maybe because blood doesn't actually determine your house, your values do.
Now I'm wondering who Helena's father was
The C-Brothers... They got sponsed by
Socks and K-Knives and what-not-else... but
have they ever been sponsed by a Pro-Autism
Organization?
And no, i dont mean the Evil Ones like 'Autism Speaks', lol no. No. Lol no.
I mean the real ones.
King of England, or Scotland?
Plot twist...she was the daughter of Rowena Raveclaw and Salazar Slytherin :D
I’ve been using the words: “also, also” in conversations recently.
For me it depends on how many non sequiturs I have before getting a response. I sometimes went up to "also also also" before I finally got a response from whomever I was chatting with.
I think the reason that Ravenclaw's relic is a crown is because it's supposed to open(metaphorically) the wearer's third-eye, giving her more intuition and insight than normal. The crystal used in the diadem was a sapphire, according to the Harry Potter lore. Since the middle ages(in real history), sapphires were associated with dispelling negative thoughts, helping with concentration, enhancing creativity, and depth of thought. Ravenclaw house prizes wisdom, intuition, learning, wit, and intelligence. In spirituality, the third eye is a part of a string of seven chakras(energy centers in the body). Each has an emotional quality attached to it. Starting from the base of the spine, there is the Root chakra(security), Sacral chakra(creativity), Solar Plexus chakra(self-worth), Heart Chakra(love), Throat Chakra(communication), Third-Eye chakra(Intuition), and Crown chakra(psychic wisdom).
Ben: makes a trivia reference
Me: *flashbacks to Seamus and his toy trains*
Haven’t even made it through the sponsor and I already love it
Also where are my fellow Ravenclaws at?!
holla
“Also we are are my fellow ravenclaws?”
Hello :>
(Fix that scroll before you turn it in, Luna!)
Present
Other crown related professions, you say? How about,,, beauty contest winners?
They could have got crown from there but it’s not a profession
@@rayanvij3457 "Royalty" isn't a profession either if we get picky..
Ben: could you believe in this idea?
Me: y... you do know that this is just how European royalty works right?
I heard “gods” instead of “gaunts” and I thought: wow Ben. Thinking pretty highly of your fellow slytherins there aren’t ya
These are the theory’s that make this channel the best
I know
The argument for the locket holding the route to the chamber doesn’t quite add up. Voldy found the chamber before he got the locket (chamber at 16, locket when he worked at Borgin and Burkes)
But his family
Voldemort was exceptionally smart and powerful. He didn't need the locket's help.
Voldemort finding the chamber despite not having the locket isn't proof that the locket didn't have the directions in it.
There's not much evidence for saying the locket held the route to the chamber, but it makes sense that it did.
Then there is the ring. Could it have had instructions in a hidden chamber/compartment? Maybe as a backup to the locket?
14:15 Now I'm just imagining Ben laying belly-down on the floor reading Harry Potter.
"Ben, we bought a fluffy armchair for a reason."
"But this is how I've always done it."
I like this theory! My only question is: what do we know about Helena Ravenclaw's father? If Rowena was royalty, I would assume she probably did not have a child out of wedlock?! Which would mean that Rowena might not have been a Ravenclaw by birth. In which case either the 2 sisters weren't Ravenclaw's either, but whatever Rowena's maiden name was, OR they're not sisters after all but sisters-in-law!! I will accept tho that Helena Ravenclaw had 2 aunts that married a Black and a Lastrange, whether they were from her mother's or father's side idk.
That's a great point. This is a great theory, and the three sisters could be blood sisters or sisters in law!
I bet you, I'll be persuaded.
Edit- they did it
The C-Brothers... They got sponsed by
Socks and K-Knives and what-not-else... but
have they ever been sponsed by a Pro-Autism
Organization?
And no, i dont mean the Evil Ones like 'Autism Speaks', lol no. No. Lol no.
I mean the real ones.
I mean the purebloods are all interrelated anyway....
Not enough House-Elves-Theorys!!
Historically, diadems were commonly worn to parties and formal occasions by non-royalty.
Plus, we know enough history of magic to assume there were no wizard queens.
Yeah there are so many flaws in scab recent theories and then they fill the video up with fillers and long sponsors to get as revenue
@@hrn8935 There is nothing wrong with that. They need to make money like anyone else, and these are theories, after all. They don't put their ego in the way of their content. The quality of the editing, sound and visuals are good. You can tell that they both try really hard to do well.
Harry Potter Wiki says Mary I was a witch, and Anne Boleyn was potentially a squib, although I am not sure what their sources are.
@@antoninabandrivska8806 that would fit since Mary didn't wear crowns. Lol. But that's a movie only thing. They hung a portrait of her with a wand in the background as a kind of Easter Egg. Lupin himself says in Half Blood Prince (regarding the Half Blood Prince) that there are no princes in the Wizarding world. That would imply that there are no kings or queens either.
That doesn't mean there was never royalty, does it? Back then, there was no ministry either
Do you think Luna's eccentricity holds her back, or makes her a better witch?
Better witch for sure.
Better witch and better role model in some ways bc she does as Luna does and doesn't let the bullying stop her
Better witch and better role model in some ways bc she does as Luna does and doesn't let the bullying stop her
What did Helena do in her life that made it where she is killed by the Bloody Baron, and her punishment is to permanently reside in the same building as her killer?
she stole her mother's diadem and run awat then her mother sent bloody baron to bring her back but she refused or something like that then he killed her and took his own life and im guessing both of them were afraid to move on so they stayed as ghosts
Staying like a ghost it's not a punishment.. I read somewhere that JKR says that a magician or a witch can become ghosts if they're afraid to move on or have some unfinished business or simply choose to stay in this world.. The catch is that once you're a ghost, you're always gonna be a ghost.. There's no light to go on to rest.. That's why the ghost in Hogwarts are so old and keep "living" there..
Helena was jealous of her mother.. Of her knowledge and believed that if she had the diadem, she will be better that her mom.. She stole it and run away, like the upper comment says.. Rowena was devastated and when she fell she will die, she asked the Baron to bring his daughter back, because she knew the Baron was in love with his daughter and he will find her at all cost.. When he finally did it, she refuse to go back with him so he kill her.. He felt guilty and kill himself, that's why he has blood in his clothes..
Don't remember if there's info about why they both stayed in Hogwarts or even if the talk o have interaction.. It would be interesting to know that..
can we actualy speak of "decendant of X" in any case, when over time theyall are related to each other?
Good point. They must all be interconnected as th marry each other. The magical community is not that big. Even the Weasleys are connected to the Blacks and tonks is dracos cousin? In they end they are all cousins of different degrees.
Well isn't harry qlso potentially related to slytherin. Because if the potters are the descendants of the pevral family as are the gaunts who are believed to be the descendants of slytherin, than there is a chance that they too would his descendants. It would be interesting if harry was a descendants of all 4 houses. Idk maybe the real reason for the split was because slythrin didn't honor the bro code and disowned him and his sister something. Which would be kind of poetic because than all descendants of slytherin and gryffindor would be enternaly intertwined and thier fued a eternal family fued
So, according to all of your theories every house founder is represented in the Battle of Hogwarts. Aberforth Dumbledore - Gryffindor. Snape- Hufflepuff (assuming Jacob and Queenie stay together). Malfoy- Ravenclaw. Voldemort- Slytherin. It's fitting. Then the descendent of the Peveril Brothers prevails.
I mean,the magical families were so entagled, that even Harry and Weasleys could be descendants of Ravenclaw
Harry is a descendant from the third Peverel brother which the Peverel family are descendants of salazar slytherin which makes the potter family descendants of the gaunt family and salazar slytherin too
@@AaronW-ww4ds "Peverel family are descendants of salazar slytherin"
Nope. Tom Riddle is descended from both Slytherin and the second Peverell brother but that's because of marriage, not because the Peverell family comes from Slytherin.
The King 🤴🏽 Of The Lab 🧪!! He also has a crown 👑!! (Any “Bones” fans here?? 😅) Also, honestly kinda sounds like the story of the Black sisters, with Andamorda (sorry, I’m a HORRIBLE speller, I know) being the sister who didn’t follow her family values. 🤔
Slytherin house out here spilling all the magical tea. I live for it!
Have you guys thought about doing your founders series as a fan-made radio theater podcast? You wouldn’t need to worry about technology or CGI to do it well, we would all follow it and even volunteer to audition for it (probably) and if it did well enough, it could get noticed and made into a tv series.
gotta say, I think the fact that she describes so many characters from the same family as haughty might indicate that she really needed to get her hands on a thesaurus rather than anything else lol
Not necessarily. Maybe ti was meant as a symbol to have them all linked together. She uses symbolism a LOT in this series, and thus it would be fitting here too. Also, people learn how to view life and interact with others by watching their elders of their family, so all of them having a look of disgust (or resting witch face - yes I made a dad joke out of a Harry Potter discussion) would pass on to their descendants. As another example of symbolism, there is always one in each family that changes their view and goes the opposite direction of their family.
Descendants of Ravenclaw, all in Slytherin
Well, Ravenclaw is way more meritocratic in the selection of it’s students than Slytherin, which places a focus on who/what your family is...
Well, honestly wasn't sure where this would go, but I'm sold. I hope they connect previously unknown stories of the founders to Fantastic Beasts. Also, I think all of the founders had kids and/or siblings who did but after so long the connections may have gotten lost.
Not enough House-Elves-Theorys!!
Ben: You think that's the end of the line?
Ben: Heh
Ben: You must be new.
In one of the movies where Harry reveals he can speak parsel tongue, there's a scene where kids are studying and talking about Harry. One of the students taking up for Harry is called Hannah.
In the credits of the movie shows the full name of the character and it is Hannah Hufflepuff.
I need you guys to write the founders series
WHOAAAA THE NEW INTRO! I LOVE IT!
So new path to explore: similarities in character/relationships between Rowena and her sisters vs. Andromeda, Bellatrix and Narcissa??
Tonks is a descendant to, so, where does her Metsmorphmagi come from? We know it is heritable as Teddy has it too. But andromeda not, so it skips generations. The Black family must have noticed it?
@@kathzemiau7234 it could come from the Tonks line, in the same way that many muggleborns are actually descended from squibs who married muggles (and then some generations pass), couldnt the metamorphmagi gene have traveled with the magic gene on the squib line? Which is why there isnt a wellknown tendency for metamorphmaguses in (for example) the black family even tho its apparently hereditary?
That actually sounds like a really good parralell, where 2 marry into blood purity houses and one rebells against those values
ive been watching/listening for like, 17 episodes today while working and im super excited for more!
What if the four founder items all have an enchantment similar to Gryffindor's Sword.
Helena's cup can absorb any food/drink it doesnt know and make it.
The diadem absorb information it doesn't know and tell it.
The locket can learn any unknown potion/chemical and help produce it.
That's brilliant and deserves a like :) I don't know about potions for the locket though, but maybe it could learn languages it's never heard before or something simply by being held by a person and them speaking it (that could be how it learned Pareseltongue and only opens to those that can also speak it). Since the bloodline of Slytherin only liked pure bloods, the chances of it learning anything other than English and Pareseltongue are next to nothing however lol.
Nice to get scb content on graduation day i graduated high school about 1030 this morning EST
Congratulations! 💥
Congrats :)
@@borreliaetc thx
@@Snowshowslow thx
This video felt a little hectic 😅 I like the theory I was just distracted by how fast Ben spoke and how he moved every other second. Plus at the start there was a lot of jumping around the topic.
That said I love your videos and it makes my day better when you guys post ❤️
I've been listening to the audio books, 10 hour factory shifts make for great listening time, and had a thought. Could Mad-Eye see a bogart's true form? The way I understand it they only take the form of what scares a person when they confront said person. Mad-eye is able to spot one in grimmauld place from at least 15 feet away and throug a floor, would the bogart know it's being watched and transform or does it just remain chilling and Madeye dosent tell anyone what they look like for some reason. This has probably already been discussed but I thought I would see what the general consensus is if there is one
All my Ravenclaws
I'm almost done with reading the books for the first time 👍
at first i was like, “uuuuh im not so sure” but now i’m sold
it makes so much sense
Love this and totally accept the theory! My "jaw drop" moment wasn't the crown, it was actually the Prewitt connection. I literally had a Princess Diaries "SHUT. UP!" moment on that one!
Two things I can't help thinking...
1) Who thinks this is Ben's way of trying to reconcile his Ravenclaw? "Yes I *started* as Ravenclaw, but through the generations, that now counts as being Slytherin!"
2) If Ben is going through the 5 stages of grief about continuing to get sorted into Ravenclaw (& I'm counting his last sorting, because gaming the system to get the result he wants? TOTAL Ravenclaw move), then he's gone through denial, this video I think has a mix of anger + bargaining, so we only have one stage left before he finally reaches acceptance. 💙💛💙💛 #bringbackthebronze
Thanks for the sponsor timer. Really helps me when I'm fast forwarding to the actual video.
You're assuming that ravenclaw only had one child.
No he clearly states she had 3 daughters. Helena is the one who died before having children.
@@leecain5460 no he said that rowena had two sisters who married into the black and lestrange family and helena is still the only daugther of her
i have too ask was ravenclaw and hufflepuff married if so then what are the maiden names of rawena and helga and were they married too wizards
@@amistadward7693 they likely were if they had descendants, seeing as the timeperiod this happened, atleast in the muggle world but pressumably also the wizarding world as they have the practice of weddings and such, having a child while not being married would have been a big nono, especially if youre from nobility like Rowena likely was. So Rowena was likely married, since Helena was likely legitimate, and it seems like the wisarding world also has the practice of the woman taking the mans name, but I do wonder; if Rowena was highly famed and acclaimwd before her marriage, and was the eldest daughter of a noble house with no sons, if maybe her husband would have taken her name? Which would be the only way for Rowena to be married with a legitimate daughter while also being born into the Ravenclaw house
I could watch a new Harry Potter theory EVERYDAY and never be bored..
Thank you so much for the sponsor progress bar. I think every RUclipsr should do that
I always love when you guys post, and listening to these while doing other things.
It’s amazing how they convince us, no matter how crazy it sounds
Always… convince… us…
I wouldn't say royalty necessarily but absolutely believe that they part of the nobility. I've always believed that to be the case. The Baron wouldn't have chased Helena down like that if she was not nobility. He would have viewed a peasant as, for lack of a better word, replaceable.
Heyyyyy brotherrrr
Not only the super Carlin intro but also the first line at a pure blood wizard date night
New intro is 🔥🔥🔥!
I like to think the Albanian peasant Voldemort killed to make the diadem a horcrux was a descendant, like how Hepzibah Smith was a descendant of Hufflepuff. After all, as established in previous videos, Scotland, where the Ravenclaw family is from, has been referred to as Albania.
I love the new intro adjustments!!❤️❤️❤️
The
‘Heeeeeey broooootheeeeer!’
Makes me smile every time, it’s the same and has been for ages but so good.
I'm so happy I'm so early today!!! I've never been this early! YAYAYAY!! Great work SuperCarlinBrothers!
We slytherins might not have a good character, but we do have Merlin aka. *the MOST FAMOUS wizard of all time*
I think it could be argued that Harry Potter is the most famous wizard of all times 😏😅
@@mucimau Well, nobody says "Potter's beard!" 🤔
@@mucimau Not to muggles.
This is actually one of my more favorite theories of yours. It's pretty cool.
Gotta appreciate how often you guys pump out videos 🙏
is there ever going to be a day when they can't convince me of a theory?
naaaah, thats impossible
Is there an unwritten rule wherein J’s theories are more sensible, while Ben’s are always more...speculative?
Thank you so much for this episode btw. I was going one way with my fan fic / story idea, and in this episode, you revealed the monarchy aspect of HP which was my original idea! Tytyty!
I love that even though Narcissa is a true blood supremacist, she hates being part of the war because all she cares about is her son's safety. She even lies to Voldemort so she can get away to find Draco. I think she's a representative of all four houses: smart, loyal, brave and prejudiced.