Looks like “cam lock” this can happen when a bows draw length is set in a module position but the draw stop is set in a longer position causing the cam to over rotate and lock out effectively creating 100% let off
Have had to get customer bows out of cam lock and found that the Last Chance adapters that were made for pressing Hoyt beyond parallel limbs that I purchased to work on my Hoyt Carbon Defiant 34 come in really handy for these situations. In this case here I doubt that the pin simply fell out and caused this near disaster. It looks as though the draw stops were either not set to match the draw length or they were not properly locked down. Either way would have caused over-rotation of the cams which leads to cam lock.
Happened to my Ventum Pro 30 2 weeks ago, and that wasn’t even the first warranty issue with it. Less than 2 weeks old and it started a horrible squeak in the axle when drawing. It had to be rebuilt.
I had the same thing happen at my bow shop when I was test driving an RX-8. I drew it past the draw stops (they obviously didn't catch the string) The cams were too far left. The shop used a draw board to slowly rotate the cams and let it back down. There was no damage whatsoever. Ended up buying a Lift that day. One less thing to worry about happening again at the moment of truth.
It also happened with me when I borrowed my friend's bow (Dimond Edge). I was not sure was it because I my draw length is way more than her or it was the bow set up.
That sucks man. I had this exact thing happen to me with my first bow ever a year ago. It was a Blackout Epic V2. I had already returned 1 bow because it derailed (no dry fire) and they had to replace the strings on the first bow because the cable guard was cutting them. When I got the new bow this exact same thing happened, and the person I was shooting with grabbed it because they “knew what to do” and it went off, the string slapped him in the junk and he had to go to the ER. I returned it and told them I wanted a refund or a different bow and ended up switching to a Diamond. Had NO issues with that bow but upgraded to a Lift this year. Sorry to hear yours wasn’t covered by anything. Hoyt should’ve made it right.
So whoever stole it may have messed with the draw length or draw stop setting because they didn’t know what they were doing. I have owned and as a bow technician worked on a heck of a lot of Hoyt bows and I have never seen this happen without the bow being improperly set up.
@@coreycallahan7443 they only made it 200 yards before they ditched it. Also it’s has got new limbs sense then. The other comments make it seem like this is kind of common for Hoyt bows…
@@Finaltraceoutdoors I’ve never had it happen to me in 40 years of shooting archery and I’ve owned a lot of bows including 12 Hoyts. But every time I had a cam locked bow come in the issue had been caused by the draw stop being in the wrong position and in some cases they had forgotten to reinstall the draw stops often setting the draw length or doing work that require removal of the cams such as in limb replacement. Whatever the cause, I am sorry that it happened to you. It’s scary as Hell when you have to worry about the tension causing your limbs to blow up. I am a professional Archery Technician and have had to fix this issue several time for customers in the shop. All kinds of different brands too. Usually it’s caused by the draw stops slipping or some minor and easily overlooked thing like a loose module lockdown screw. From time to time make sure to check that all of your screws and fasteners are snug. I have to do this on my Harleys as well because things can vibrate loose.
I saw another youtuber have the EXACT same problem. The module bent outwards. Catching the limb, keeping it locked under pressure. This is horrible, and it eather have a loaded gun on me than carry that bow in that state.
I'm definitely a noob lol... was I commented on the short that I believe the bottom cam didn't have a stop pin and the bottom wasnt tuned right and that's why it over rotated... was that the issue? I doubt the bow being 2 years old will be the reason lol...I was skipping parts of the video looking for the answer
How disappointing. I've shot hoyt for a long time but recently purchased the new Bear Surpass. Definitely impressed with it. Hope hoyt took care of it for ya.
Ouch! What did they say caused it exactly? Sorry to hear that you had no warranty. It stings to buy a new bow from a shop. The warranty is worth their weight in gold, but they are infrequently used for most folks. It's very much a double edged sword scenario.
You guys handled it fairly well. I am an old guy with over 50yrs of archery experience and I have never seen this happen. Suffering from too many surgeries I switched to a crossbow. I just bought my first crossbow TenPoint Havoc RS440. It is so new I have not even shot it yet. It is a scary beast, 400gn bolt at 440fps. Scary amount of tension in the limbs and less than 8” axle to axle.
That’s why I prefer to use arrows only. Bows can malfunction. Arrows cannot. Last time my Hoyt got locked the same way, I had to use my teeth to secure it until the repair shop. Not fun. My saliva melted and deformed the limbs to a better specification.
Lack of maintenance 😂 yes checking screws is maintenance even if you don't work on your own stuff. Now with that said the bow shop that torqued thoes cam screws are also at fault.
@@Finaltraceoutdoors get some blue loctite and apply to the mod screws and you won't have them loosen up ever. I've seen this problem many times with every modular cam system.
@GardenArcher7625 because it's a superior bow is why. But you're right about not fixing mistakes. Dad always told me, "son you can make something fool proof, but you can't make it damn fool proof "
How many Hoyt’s have you owned? I’m legit curious mainly because the comments say this is common which I’m sure it probably is but I’ve never heard of this?
Not a bow problem it's an operator problem. Don't blame Hoyt because you don't look your bow over and you or your shop don't make sure mods are tight. Same thing would happen to any bow in that situation
You’d be shocked how common this type of failure is with Hoyt’s I get customers every week with the same or similar experiences . I’m not being mean or negative but I recommend stay away from Hoyt
Go to prime bro, their warranty will have a bow in your hands in 1 day before your hunt. Sorry that happened to you. I love my RVX and I came from PSE, never going back. Hope you get it sorted out. Subbed, curious to see what you end up with.
This happened in my local shop,but not even in use,it was just hanging,suddenly broke and pieces went flying, one part flew right through the window...still no idea how it happened
The hate you guys showed Hoyt is disgusting. That is something that can happen to any bow at any given time. That has happend to my Bowtech Reckoning that was designed by 2 of the best archers in the world and the bow they used to dominate the competition, but yet it still happend.
@SouthernDrawTN routinely checking for loose hardware. I guarantee that screw for the mod was loose before the bow was drawn with all the load from cables pulled the last couple threads out the cam and the mod rotated causing the failure that was experienced.
0:54 I love watching natural selection in real time 😊
Looks like “cam lock” this can happen when a bows draw length is set in a module position but the draw stop is set in a longer position causing the cam to over rotate and lock out effectively creating 100% let off
100% let off is awesome!
Yeah...what☝️he said
Have had to get customer bows out of cam lock and found that the Last Chance adapters that were made for pressing Hoyt beyond parallel limbs that I purchased to work on my Hoyt Carbon Defiant 34 come in really handy for these situations. In this case here I doubt that the pin simply fell out and caused this near disaster. It looks as though the draw stops were either not set to match the draw length or they were not properly locked down. Either way would have caused over-rotation of the cams which leads to cam lock.
Thanks for the comment!
This is exactly why i do a check to make sure all screws and any other moving parts are tight and in specs before and after shooting
Happened to my Ventum Pro 30 2 weeks ago, and that wasn’t even the first warranty issue with it. Less than 2 weeks old and it started a horrible squeak in the axle when drawing. It had to be rebuilt.
Gotta love a Hoyt!
I had the same thing happen at my bow shop when I was test driving an RX-8. I drew it past the draw stops (they obviously didn't catch the string) The cams were too far left. The shop used a draw board to slowly rotate the cams and let it back down. There was no damage whatsoever. Ended up buying a Lift that day. One less thing to worry about happening again at the moment of truth.
💯💯💯 Kyle now owns a lift for that exact reason!
The Lift has been having limbs cracking and derailment issues. Be careful with that one too!!!
Get a pse ,I have never had a failure in over 10 years and 3 different pse bows.
Man this is nuts! First I’m hearing the Lift is having issues and now Hoyt? I’m not upgrading for a while now…
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it?!?
Buy an elite.
Could be wrong here, but my first impulse would be to get it in a press asap and remove the cams.
First stop we made after the range
It also happened with me when I borrowed my friend's bow (Dimond Edge). I was not sure was it because I my draw length is way more than her or it was the bow set up.
That sucks man. I had this exact thing happen to me with my first bow ever a year ago. It was a Blackout Epic V2. I had already returned 1 bow because it derailed (no dry fire) and they had to replace the strings on the first bow because the cable guard was cutting them.
When I got the new bow this exact same thing happened, and the person I was shooting with grabbed it because they “knew what to do” and it went off, the string slapped him in the junk and he had to go to the ER. I returned it and told them I wanted a refund or a different bow and ended up switching to a Diamond. Had NO issues with that bow but upgraded to a Lift this year. Sorry to hear yours wasn’t covered by anything. Hoyt should’ve made it right.
@@SomeGuyFromOK this bow was stolen and recovered my first year owning it, then it derailed while I was shooting at a deer and now this.
So whoever stole it may have messed with the draw length or draw stop setting because they didn’t know what they were doing. I have owned and as a bow technician worked on a heck of a lot of Hoyt bows and I have never seen this happen without the bow being improperly set up.
@@coreycallahan7443 they only made it 200 yards before they ditched it. Also it’s has got new limbs sense then. The other comments make it seem like this is kind of common for Hoyt bows…
@@Finaltraceoutdoors I’ve never had it happen to me in 40 years of shooting archery and I’ve owned a lot of bows including 12 Hoyts. But every time I had a cam locked bow come in the issue had been caused by the draw stop being in the wrong position and in some cases they had forgotten to reinstall the draw stops often setting the draw length or doing work that require removal of the cams such as in limb replacement.
Whatever the cause, I am sorry that it happened to you. It’s scary as Hell when you have to worry about the tension causing your limbs to blow up. I am a professional Archery Technician and have had to fix this issue several time for customers in the shop. All kinds of different brands too. Usually it’s caused by the draw stops slipping or some minor and easily overlooked thing like a loose module lockdown screw. From time to time make sure to check that all of your screws and fasteners are snug. I have to do this on my Harleys as well because things can vibrate loose.
@@coreycallahan7443 thanks for the info. I will be checking screws from now on for sure!
I saw another youtuber have the EXACT same problem. The module bent outwards. Catching the limb, keeping it locked under pressure. This is horrible, and it eather have a loaded gun on me than carry that bow in that state.
It is definitely not a fun spot to be in! We’re just happy no one got hurt and the bow is fixed!
I'm definitely a noob lol... was I commented on the short that I believe the bottom cam didn't have a stop pin and the bottom wasnt tuned right and that's why it over rotated... was that the issue? I doubt the bow being 2 years old will be the reason lol...I was skipping parts of the video looking for the answer
Bottom draw fell out causing the bottom cam to over rotate and leave all the tension of the bow on the middle strings.
This was really scary. I will stay with trad bows, thank you.
We may need to go traditional 👀👀
You set it up wrong -> First ting: I am done with Hoyt..
Ha ha ha ha ha ha hh aa ha ha ha ... (Someone scratched my car -> I am done with Ferrari..)
Has plenty of let off😂
How disappointing. I've shot hoyt for a long time but recently purchased the new Bear Surpass. Definitely impressed with it. Hope hoyt took care of it for ya.
I don't get it,what's dangerous about this
Two years ago I had one of my bows “explode” on me it cracked one of the limbs but I was ok
Glad you’re okay! Bows can be dangerous too sometimes!
Everyone out here buying Hoyt and Mathew’s. I’m just sitting here shooting my bowtech and my elite. 😊
Ouch! What did they say caused it exactly? Sorry to hear that you had no warranty. It stings to buy a new bow from a shop. The warranty is worth their weight in gold, but they are infrequently used for most folks. It's very much a double edged sword scenario.
Pin fell out!
You guys handled it fairly well. I am an old guy with over 50yrs of archery experience and I have never seen this happen. Suffering from too many surgeries I switched to a crossbow. I just bought my first crossbow TenPoint Havoc RS440. It is so new I have not even shot it yet. It is a scary beast, 400gn bolt at 440fps. Scary amount of tension in the limbs and less than 8” axle to axle.
That’s why I prefer to use arrows only. Bows can malfunction. Arrows cannot. Last time my Hoyt got locked the same way, I had to use my teeth to secure it until the repair shop. Not fun. My saliva melted and deformed the limbs to a better specification.
They said a screw came out of my module causing the tension cable to slide between it and the cam.
Lack of maintenance 😂 yes checking screws is maintenance even if you don't work on your own stuff. Now with that said the bow shop that torqued thoes cam screws are also at fault.
@@cr250racer09 how often do you recommend checking all the screws on a bow?
@@Finaltraceoutdoors get some blue loctite and apply to the mod screws and you won't have them loosen up ever. I've seen this problem many times with every modular cam system.
That bow string looks old and decrepit man. I service my bow once a year to make sure everything checks out!
My first thought is " get a Mathews"
Why? We all know he will set it up wrong.. Do you not see that?
By the way -> someone scratched my car , so I am done with Ferrari..
@GardenArcher7625 because it's a superior bow is why.
But you're right about not fixing mistakes. Dad always told me, "son you can make something fool proof, but you can't make it damn fool proof "
How many Hoyt’s have you owned? I’m legit curious mainly because the comments say this is common which I’m sure it probably is but I’ve never heard of this?
This is my first Hoyt and first time ever having bow problems.
@@Finaltraceoutdoors Wow that’s very interesting
Explode? When?
Watch our video on it to find out!
Not a bow problem it's an operator problem. Don't blame Hoyt because you don't look your bow over and you or your shop don't make sure mods are tight. Same thing would happen to any bow in that situation
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The eagle screaming in the background is Very "Merica"
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They can be really dangerous
100%
Looked like that bottom cam over rotated as if it missed the draw stop. Nothing wrong with Hoyt, but get a Mathews lol
It could have been worse than a cam lock it could have completely exploded
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Sorry that happened to you bro.
Life happens!
You’d be shocked how common this type of failure is with Hoyt’s I get customers every week with the same or similar experiences . I’m not being mean or negative but I recommend stay away from Hoyt
Yeah we noticed that in the instagram comments too.
@@Finaltraceoutdoors super common man
Same thing happened to Levi Morgan
Go to prime bro, their warranty will have a bow in your hands in 1 day before your hunt. Sorry that happened to you. I love my RVX and I came from PSE, never going back. Hope you get it sorted out. Subbed, curious to see what you end up with.
Thanks for the sub! Right now it’s looking like I’m going to get a new version of the same bow on a deal from the archery shop.
Wow that's crazy lol
Wild
Get serious, don't get hoyt 😂😂😂
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I love me recurves, we dont get this problem :]
May have to go traditional 👀
Jesus Christ that sucks
Definitely wasn’t fun!
This happened in my local shop,but not even in use,it was just hanging,suddenly broke and pieces went flying, one part flew right through the window...still no idea how it happened
No... It was but a dream..
Get a crossbow
Now there’s an idea!
$5 to Stick your finger through the cam lol
@@piercerodell3926 does this offer still stand? (The cams are off now)
The hate you guys showed Hoyt is disgusting. That is something that can happen to any bow at any given time. That has happend to my Bowtech Reckoning that was designed by 2 of the best archers in the world and the bow they used to dominate the competition, but yet it still happend.
It’s mostly just a distain for that particular bow that gets put on Hoyt. It has had an absurd amount of problems over the last 3 years.
I’m not hating on Hoyt I like Hoyt bow it just sucks if they explode
Buy bow tech
It's he, not the bow. ruclips.net/video/zifIptNHUME/видео.html
Should have bought a MATHEWS
Don't hate on hoyt for your own lack of knowledge understanding and maintenance lmfao
Thanks for your comment. Have a lovely day! 🤙🏻
@cr250racer09 tell me what maintenance prevents this?
@SouthernDrawTN routinely checking for loose hardware. I guarantee that screw for the mod was loose before the bow was drawn with all the load from cables pulled the last couple threads out the cam and the mod rotated causing the failure that was experienced.
@cr250racer09 I don't know man. I've never heard of this except from hoyt personally. This is the 4th one I've seen do it. All hoyt.