PREDATOR: The Smartest Genre Mash-Up Ever? Probably!
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I'll never forget the time Pat liked my tweet about how he looks like the villain from Last Action Hero and he said "This is the most flattering thing I've ever heard"
I just watched Last Action Hero for the first time to validate this, and you are in fact objectively correct.
His name is Benedict.
On the other side, he totally ignored my comment about how much he looks like Steven Soderbergh when his beard is short.
Does this mean when Pat gets old he'll look like present-day Charles Dance? Because that's...not a bad deal
Dude, who wouldn't want to be compared to Charles Dance. I mean he died on a toilet once, murdered by Peter Dinklage. How cool is that?
13:05 "arnold schwarzenegger is up there with the best final girls ever alongside jamie lee curtis, sigourney weaver, and neve campbell"
best line ever.
It’s great because it’s true
@@alexmaysse607 It is true though he picked the wrong movie for Neve Campbell. She's also basically the last one standing in Wild Things.
The algorithm asks for longer content. Thus, longer beards.
"Hey, you got your horror slasher in my action movie." "You got your action movie in my horror slasher."
Predator: Two great tastes that taste great together.
Having recently revisited The Raid, I think horror is often a useful ingredient to give an action movie some extra edge and suspense. A friend legitimately freaked out at the cupboard scene when I first watched it.
You forgot the ultimate gear shift movie: From Dusk Till Dawn
yessssssssss
It's also so obvious, because we all thought of it first
I wouldn't call that a gear shift. From Dusk Till Dawn is more like jumping from a car onto a moving train.
That movie shifted gears without even touching the clutch
I'd consider Gone Girl a gear-shift film too
This essentially perfectly describes why I love this movie. Patrick also nails exactly why the last two Predator movies fell flat. This series has a basic formula: Take a genre and add a Predator. Predators was just a loose remake of the first movie and The Predator is too much ABOUT the Predator and tried to build up a larger universe. It is the easiest and most interesting formula but for some reason 20th Century Fox couldn't see it had absolutely no idea what to do with the property.
Where's my western meets Predator movie? Where my pirate movie meets Predator? Seriously this franchise can capitalize on any type of genre thats popular at any point in ime and they just waste it.
I want a romcom with a Predator.
Idiots
At least Prey finally did something cool with the Predator.
Imagine a pseudo avengers getting murked by a predator.
Thats probably why predator 2 was pretty good. Its still a bit of a slasher movie but its almost like a dirty harry movie with a predator in it
I didn't expect to laugh as hard as I did with the sight of a coconut with fake eyes and a quarantine mask. But here we go.
I'd argue that the movie then gear shifts back into an action movie, or rather, becomes the Die Hard model of action movie at the end. Dutch is done running, plants his feet, calls out the slasher, and faces him with weapons and traps he fashioned himself. And unlike Nancy in Nightmare on Elm Street, Dutch can face the slasher head-on and actually do damage to him. He's still outmatched so there's tension, but he's actually duking it out with the slasher rather than merely enduring and avoiding him.
Which is why Predator is my favorite horror movie. More of the genre needs Special Forces dudes making Pennywise or the Babadook bleed!
It sort of turns into a slasher vs slasher movie for a brief time until he loses his camouflage. The hunter becomes the hunted.
Just like Home Alone
Grow it out this isn't even a question.
We 👏 want👏 corona👏 beard👏
Grow it but you are allowed to trim your mustache hairs a little bit if they make it too uncomfortable to eat. You need to eat so that you can produce more content for me.
I 👏🏽 want 👏🏽 Jim 👏🏽 Henson 👏🏽 beard 👏🏽
John Wick already is a slasher movie. John even has a slasher monster name: the Boogeyman.
Baba yaga
Which I’ve always hated knowing that those two aren’t the same thing
I like the idea that the predator targets only people who commit violence: Those who take pleasure in violent delights, become delights of violence.
Yeah, what they want is a good fight. A person crying in the corner can't provide that.
Not anymore it doesn't, it now hunts for the autism power.
Yeah because the concept of The Predator has always been going after the challenging prey, to prove themselves, all the guys they kill before is to see who will be the final girl and strongest adversary.
Last Action Hero is one of the most underrated movies of all time.
No sequel for you!
Keyboard lady is underrated. Great emoting and groove!
That thing she does with her shoulders takes the videos to a whole other level.
Jake does some solid work too. That's some righteous grooving during Africa.
I feel like an idiot for never noticing all the slasher tropes in Predator before
I have seen Predator at least a dozen times, and just discovering the slasher genre, so I’m gonna be noticing all the Predator in those older films :-)
@@jonathannagel7427See, the thing is, BOTH 'Alien' and 'The Terminator' are also slasher-esque. Relentless, unstoppable killing monster, picking people off 1-by-1
I low-key thought Sylar from “Heroes” was somewhat a “slasher character” hunting down powered people to drill into their brains and steal their abilities via hacking into their neuro-pathways. On your point about heroes and slashers
Agreed, I thought they found a really good way to make the villain a true threat: he's a psychopath, he's driven by power, he's more in control of his powers than the heroes, and the longer it takes to defeat him, the more powerful he gets
I'm still mad at that writers strike
"Predator" is even bigger & better than Patrick's praise - it's THREE types of films into one perfect distillation of action in movie form:
1) The Kickass "Team On a Mission" Movie: An uber-competent team of great characters each with unique skills on a mission against a whole force of people. The threat is a large group - how will they pull their skills together into a plan to *methodically kill the group*?
2) The Kickass Slasher Movie: Just like how Patrick elaborated, now the movie pivots, but notably not only is it the team now getting methodically killed, but it's the team against *a single threat* (it's a tribute to the movie's filmmaking that it never occurs to the audience there's a chance there would be a *second* Predator). And where before the team was moving down groups of soldiers at once, now their members are going down one by one (they even do their version of the "cat scare" as Governor Ventura is surprised by a warthog.
3) The Kickass Mano-a-Monstro Movie: There's a wonderful transition point starting where Arnold emerges from the mud (he has to literally evolve and adapt) to realize what was first Many Against Many, then Many against One, now can only be One Against One. From that point, he uses all of his skills to set up the most elemental traps and weapons not to survive/escape, but to *face* his enemy, ending with the amazing shot of him holding the torch aloft and yelling out his challenge for his opponent. Far from some "final girl" button, this is a yet another brilliant mini-movie full of twists of fate as two powerful and intelligent forces face off.
Great job, Patrick, and good luck fitting in prop comics and cute animal acts into your take on the talk show!
You just took Patrick's job.
Thanks for the thumbs up. I'm a big fan of Patrick's stuff (his take on music biopics is definitive), and just wanted to elaborate on what I agree is an amazing movie.
You nailed it, that's exactly what I was thinking about, the third act is a primal/versus/mute/pure-cinema moment. What a f..king masterpiece !
And ends with the Predator wondering WTF Arnold is..just like the team was wondering what the Predator was.
Good point! (Doesn't Arnold and the Predator literally say that to each other before the Predator starts the countdown?) There's so many cool reversals going on in this movie.
The real horror movie is when the ad read knows exactly what you're thinking.
Good luck with your sci-fi novel!
“They existed in this cartoon reality...”
The 1980?
“...Regan’s America”
Yup.
Also keep growing it. Eventually you’ll look like modern Gandalf.
For my money, McTiernan is, if not the best action director of the 80s, then absolutely deserves to be counted amongst (with Spielberg and Cameron).
If you look at films like Die Hard, Predator, Red October and Die Hard 3, you see action movies with a level of wit and craftsmanship that elevate the genre far above the generally lazy output of Hollywood action films today
I mean today and also at the time they were released. Like Patrick said in the video, the action genre in the 80’s was full of lazy, uninspired boring movies. But of course we don’t remember those because looking back on other eras, only the outstanding interesting movies are the ones that stand the test of time, not the endless sea of garbage
Paul Verhoeven!
@@justadude8845true ppl pretending like 80s was all great, even Tarantino admits it was a low point compared to the experimentation of 70s and 90s. God the endless commercial shlock of 80s people love to ignore. It was just a sign of future things to come, and the trend after Star Wars is not dissimilar to studio trends to cash into lazy blockbusters today
Last. Action. Hero.
My mom thought "The World's End" was just about some old friends getting together for some drinks. Wish I could've seen her reaction halfway through.
The beard is fine; rocking some serious “Kevin from Brooklyn Nine Nine” vibes right now
Indeed. Indeed indeed indeed.
This was splendid. Well done! I knew there was a reason I loved this movie so much! Also, as an aside, I also really loved that the movie also took special care to show the audience that the "Slasher" (the alien Predator) was also vulnerable. He bleeds, screams in pain while removing a bullet, and he even literally shrieks and squeals when he's surprised by their net trap. Off the top off my head, I don't recall seeing a Slasher movie where the Slasher is humanized so much. It really elevates the film for me.
8:20 that's a brilliant point. I never realised that that the 2 genres had gotten to the point where they were 2 sides of the same coin, just the protagonists and antagonists reversed.
It makes me really happy to hear such insightful advice from Charl in these uncertain times.
It would never have occurred to me that Predator is an action-movie/slasher-flick hybrid and yet as soon as you point it out, it's OBVIOUS. Also I'm startled to realize how many movies of the '80s and '90s that I love are McTiernan works. Huh.
Extremely stoked for a whole segment next week on John McTiernan!
Crazy he started off in horror and his subsequent films all had a tiny taste of it
Predator being the big one obviously
Wow end of the video got me so excited! I agree, John McTiernan is an amazing underappreciated director. I am really excited to see the next episode!
Didn't Aliens (1986) precede this movie in terms of being an action-horror mashup?
The original, "Alien' was straight up slasher flick.
@@Deviantygr But not action.
It´s an Asterix in the back? A special episode about Asterix!
And in French no less! Is Patrick hiding a secret ability we don't know about?
That would be interesting. I’ve always heard ABOUT Asterix, but I’ve never actually _seen_ Asterix.
I wouldn't recommend the movie adaptation of Asterix at the Olympic Games. It's a pretty bad movie, despite having at the time the biggest budget of any French movie.
Asterix & Obelix : Mission Cleopatra, on the other hand, is one of funniest French comedy ever made (although I'm not sure it would translate well).
The animated movies are pretty cool too :)
YES!!!!
"Is John McTeirnan the most important act-"
"Yes!"
Even From Dusk till Dawn can be considered as a 'Gear Shift film'!!
Devil's Advocate as well if you don't see any ad for the movie
I love those "Let's get Coconuts!" Segments, wish they were longer. Like, hours long. 24 hour livestreams with Charl. Charl, I love you.
I've always heard of this John McTiernan director's cut of the 13th warrior, and how it puts that movie on par with all his other great films. I've never been able to track it down though.
I didn't know that was a McTiernan film. Great movie.
Apparently, McTiernan's cut is different enough that it was going to be EATERS OF THE DEAD (the Crichton's book's title)
I too would LOVE to see that version, as much as I love THE 13th WARRIOR.
Sadly, it's likely stuck hidden somewhere in Disney's archives.
Excellent film, but this is the first I've heard of a different cut.
Great, now you started a mythical legend of 'the directors cut of the 13th warrior'.
I had no idea he directed it and it makes sense why I enjoyed it, despite not being entirely popular.
Somehow, I don't think "Release the McTiernan cut!" will start trending
Why is this so good? The comedic timing between you and your father - chef's kiss!
I always maintain the gear shift in Predator would've been so much better if they cut the opening shot of the spacecraft coming to earth, along with toning down or cutting all the Predator vision bits in the first 45 mins. No one should be even thinking about Predator until after they destroy the camp.
Otherwise, such a great film.
I have half a memory of something about the alien space ship at the start being a studio note. So yes I think the filmmaker agrees with you.
@@vlogerhood I have the other half of that memory, so you are correct.
So great!
Yea same with John Carpenter's the Thing. It's like if the opening of Dusk till Dawn was a vampire bat in Mexico.
I always assumed that opening was a studio note, because it definitely feels out of place. I think it would've been fine if the spaceship was kept distant, where you're not quite sure what you're seeing, rather than zooming right past the camera so that that you immediately go "oh, that's an alien spaceship."
I'm always so excited for Charl's segment. I feel like I am watching the whole show just anticipating it! Best as always!
That music sting had to be from Kansas' "Carry on my Wayward Son", right?
One of them, yeah.
aah thanks man it was killing me!
Delighted to see Mc Tiernan getting the love he deserves. All time best trilogy of films back to back. Predator, Die Hard, Hunt For Red October. Only issue with your theory is that the attack on the base was shot by a second unit director and McTiernan hated it. It feels so different from the rest of the film. PS : Keep growing the beard.
Watchmen starts off with superheroes being killed by a "slasher".
Watchmen is in the same ballpark, but the way Watchmen is presented is wholly at odds with the slasher genre. If anything, Watchmen is a postmodern mash-up of superhero stories with hard-boiled detective fiction.
That's correct. I never said it was a mashup of superheroes and slasher, just that it had that element.
Or maybe Heroes, season 1?
Watchmen is a desconstruction of the comics than the movies, and while the movie is a fine adaptation is not the full experience of the comic. I mean there's a simetric chapter where each panel is mirroring a previous one before the middle of the story, that something movies can't replicate.
Yeah, this is the first thing I thought of too so I scrolled down to the comments to see if anyone else had mentioned it...
From the French audience: SO GLAD THAT YOU LIKE ASTERIX
You’re beginning to look like the Iron Monger from Iron Man; and that is definitely a good thing - keep it growing my man!
Die Hard with a Vengeance is one of the best action movies of the 90's. His direction is so well done, the escalating tension and maneuvering the multiple plot lines takes a real master director or at least a team that understands story and clear action scenes.
Let it grow!
Let it grow!
Taste your beard with every worrrd!
Let it grow!
Let it grooo-oooww!
I was a producer on the Predator Special Edition you reference in the video and I have to say your take is fantastic. The Thomas brothers originally pitched the script as Rambo meet Alien, so you are DEAD ON.
Surely we need a reaction episode where Hank watches predator now?!?
The only problem with Predator is literally the start where they show the Predator ship. I always skip that if I show it someone who hasn't seen it.
I've always heard that opening shot was a studio addition to the film.
@@tohrazul It probably was, it's just a bad choice.
Something killing off superhero teams.....you mean The Incredibles?
I was thinking of watchmen, but that will do too.
Or the Boys.
Except none of the Incredibles, Watchmen, or the Boys is played as a slasher. As much as it pains me to say it, I think Heroes season 1 is a better example.
@@KeyDash753 to be fair Heroes season 1 was actually good in comparison to where it headed
More like Infinity War. Come on, unstoppable alien killing Avengers? Thanos, anyone?
Super hero spy thriller slasher where the winter soldier hunts down a team of spies, set in the 80s.
Can we please talk about the fact that two separate US governors star in this movie!!!
I think there's a mayor or something like that too
And both candidates for president in 2020 are preditors.
That Carl Wheaters is going to be the next president.
@@Pajman77 Sonny Landham ran for Governor of Kentucky. Didn't make it past the primary.
I've voted for Carl Weathers in every Gubernatorial election for the past 16 years
Wow Charle it really does show that there is great cinematic bias inherent in film circles when concerning long takes and that the long take from the hit film School of Rock, in which Dewey, portrayed by Jack Black, elaborates his song and performance in front of the students. It really should be held up there among the greats such as Children of Men.
And I also never really thought about how if Napoleon Bonaparte was never around we never would have gotten the masterpiece that is Nacho Libre.
keep on growing, little beard... keep on growing
(edit: just trim the stache, so you can eat soup like a human)
Love this content. Glad I found this channel, I’m going to go binge on it. There are great points here and you connect the dots in a very clear way that I totally agree with. As a film goer of that era, I remember Predator being fresh and exciting... and for a lot of the reasons you state. The only aspect that is missing from this analysis is that Predator didn’t spring from whole cloth. When I saw Predator for the first time in the theatre I clearly could draw a line in my mind back to Aliens and then further back to Terminator. All released in a span of just a few years, it was hard not to see a through line here where Predator was built on the back of the success of these other movies that also attempted to elevate horror by mashing it up with action. In all three cases you get great action/horror mashup movies that stand out against the backdrop of copy-cat formula movies of both genres that Hollywood was vomiting out at the time. Terminator leans into the horror tropes and Aliens perhaps heavier into the action tropes. All that said, I agree with your thesis that by structuring it as a “reversal” McTiernan did a masterful job of making the second act a truly brilliant WTF moment for the audience. Ok, that is my two cents and hopefully my “engagement” in the comments helps the metrics for this channel and helps produce more content like this. Liked and subscribed, check.
Im now convinced to watch Padington at this pt
Great video, Patrick. I love Commando and Predator. Thanks for the insights, keep up the good work! Also the "Internet's Most Dangerous Band" are terrific.
1:47 Let it grow and go full bearded weirdo.
The Weirdo with the Beardo!
Patrick Rothfuss would like to speak to your manager
Nice work Pat, great video! I love Predator but I’d never thought of it as a genre mashup before. Another great gearshift movie is Titanic - first its a period romance, and then it goes sideways and becomes an action survival movie.
Let it grow!
This might possibly be your best epiode yet! A wonderful deep dive into film history AND a specific movie AND a film maker - and the absolutely wonderful asides. Can't wait for more Rugrats analysis! Stay safe all - we need you! (100 times YES to the Slasher Super Hero movie)
As someone who also hasn’t shaved since entering self-isolation I can relate, I don’t intend to shave until I leave quarantine and I don’t think you should shave either.
Stopped using the top part of my french press. More than a drink filter the moustache can now pick up tiny atmospheric disturbances and lets me navigate dark rooms. I love the quarantine!
You guys, your content has upped the ante big time. The pacing that you've developed is perfect... even if one of the cutaways falls flat (which they didn't in this episode), the TIMING of the cutaway is spot-on!
Love it ! (I don't really have anything to say, just commenting to help with the algorithm)
I think the ability to shoot back could be considered the difference between action and horror. Excellent video as always and great food for thought, thanks
18:15 isn't 'The Boys' kind of like that idea? that is about super heroes being killed off one by one.
Not in a horror movie sort of way, though. It's more like a class struggle.
It's got to be the Avengers. Thanos kills half the team. Unstoppable alien much?
Honestly I think that's one of the reasons Logan works so well because it mixes a western with the superheroes genre. Logan is about a man coming to terms with his mortality, and all of his past sins. I think that's why it's so good.
Loving that you know Asterix comics.
I literally have the same Batman poster from a Wizard magazine in my attic with my comics right now.
Definitely grow it out, but we're classy so trim it out and let it ride..
Check out Last Girl Standing, a movie I shot in 2014, that's exactly what you're looking for, a genre mash up about what happens to the last girl after the horror movie concludes.
Important not to confuse John McTiernan, legendary director, with John McTernan, legendarily disastrous advisor to Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Julia Gillard, and the anti-independence campaign in Scotland…
I live in Palenque, Chiapas. "Predator" was filmed here.
Would From Dusk Till Dawn be classed as a gear shift movie?
TheAaronCarruthers the first example I thought of!
Devil's Advocate as well.
Patrick, this is some great work. Love your videos, in whatever format they present themselves.
Beard looks amazing, but maybe keep it trimmed around the mouth? Hope the show format stays!
Yeah, mustache trimming is a thing, and chewing on mustache hair fucking *sucks*
McTiernan's 1-2-3 punch of Predator, Die Hard, and Hunt for Red October in a row is, in my opinion, one of the greatest movie runs of all time. And all three hold up incredibly well, even their effects.
As a man who can wholly relate to the mustache hairs creeping into your mouth, trim those. Keep growin the rest. :)
Patrick’s ad segments is the only time I don’t fast forward during an ad in a RUclips video
18:30 - to be fair, Amazon’s “The Boys” does focus on a group hunting down superheroes.
17:40 You're bang on with this, as the Predator typically only hunts those worthy of competition, or someone possessing a weapon.
I didn't know slasher films played a role in inspiring _Predator._
Predator is one of my favorite films of all time. Great video Patrick Willems. Last Action Hero is criminally underrated. Grow the beard, trim the mustache.
The beard must be as long as David Letterman's before it leaves us
😂
I just got sent here from Brandon Sanderson's podcast and I love the content. I'm always looking for more media analysis. Keep up the good work!
Patrick: I can't believe no one's writing a version where something is killing off members of a superhero team.
Marvel: Thanos.
Charl always comes in with some super hot takes but manages to be charming at the same time. It blows my mind.
“Something killing off the Avengers one by one” is basically the plot of Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe and I agree, it’s awesome. I think we found the MCU’s series finale.
Even better story is Gorr the God Butcher from Thor, an alien who travels from world to world killing off every pantheon of deities.
love the film analysis and i understand needing to break it up a bit but my god the little bits and skits cannot be skipped through fast enough
"The war won't stop with First Blood: Part II. ... It should really be called Rambo: First Blood, Part III, but the Rambo titles never made sense. And neither does war."
Loving the new format, and honestly respect the commitment to the "Charl" bit 4 or so months into 2020.
I just realized that Patrick’s dad has more hair than him.
Very common, since hair loss is a recessive trait
Patrick looks like the grumpy old guy from Home Alone with his beard that length.
Trim your mustache only.
I am loving the format, loving the beard, but keep it out of the mouth for the best results. I like the band, Matt's Rugrat rant, the unsettling way Charl is filmed above a forest on a fire escape. Very inventive and entertaining.
Oh yeah, great essay on Predator.
Grow the beard out. And curl your mustache like a 1920s strongman
I LOVE this format its new and refreshing although all your videos are usually refreshing
Let's Get CocoNUTS was funnier than it had any right to be
John McTiernan also directed Die Hard, which featured an action hero who was genuinely human. What made Bruce Willis so appealing in that film was that he wasn’t some huge, roided out Superman, but a pretty normal guy who just gets wound up in Gruber’s scheme.
Re: The beard, attempt the Alan Moore Junior.
My moustache hairs also recently got long enough that the hair are beginning to dip down into my mouth. It's comforting knowing we have synchronized moustaches
Let the beard grow. As soon as the pandemic ends, shave it.
Great video. I agree the slasher movie is in there but the third act is also another genre twist possibly. While the final girl often prepares or the lays traps this isn't the entire third act and it's done more survival and escape. I think Dutch's confrontation with the predator moves from slasher final struggle to battle (although arguably this starts at the if it bleeds line) He calls predator out and the predator ultimately faces him on equal terms by choice. Perhaps this is when it becomes a more man v monster movie like Aliens or Tremors or maybe a revenge movie. But the extra genre gears are just more of this a classic. PS: Anna was not innocent, only unarmed, she was part of a violent guerilla group that excited prisoners, she tried to take out Dutch, and forcefully escaped. Your point stands that her less dangerous status protected her from the director's spin on the slasher rule, but it's even more well done because it's not so on the nose and makes sense within the story's world.