10:45 how cool is that. Touring teams connecting with locals is top top class. Borthwick seems to have brought in a different dynamic in terms of team culture.
New AB era begins. Ressurect a Rugby history epitomized by brutal physical expansive Rugby. Total dominance is the AB way. You want people to keep talking about it like they have for over a Century. England in my opinion has been the most physical of the North through the years. Their record against the AB's is better than Ireland's. They've won a RWC after beating the AB's in NZ. They deserve the utmost respect. You do this by bringing your best game. Up the AB's💪🏾🇳🇿. All the best England 👏🏾
@@Jayybarr Let’s be realistic, we’ve gone back to back, we have credit in the bank. We can afford to take a few losses as we build towards the three-peat in 2027. Having said that, the only blemish on our recent successes is Ireland. But the video in question isn’t about the Springboks, it’s about New Zealand. So your comment is misplaced. Everyone has been hyping up Razor and that’s on the back of club success - but let’s be honest, international rugby is different gravy. Yes, he seems to have all the tools and hallmarks to be an outstanding coach but he is yet to be tested in the international arena. I think the hype around him is a tad exaggerated simply because we’ve only seen what he can do at super rugby level, which let’s face it - the opposition isn’t necessarily the strongest bar some of the New Zealand teams. But we all saw the knock on effect of that, with All Blacks losing their physicality in the last few years and losing a lot of games up front. So until Razor wins something, I think people need to chill out a bit, otherwise it’s gonna get very awkward if your messiah gets turned over. Because where to from then? You guys wanted Foster out, and if the same problems persist with Razor, where does New Zealand rugby go from there
Attention South African fans. Kirwan is just a troll at this point. Not worth engaging on his points. It only feeds his ego, a way of covering up his horrendous coaching record.
@@homonaledi640it's not quite that simple the last 2 games NZ have played against SA they shouldve had cards too consistency is the problem not just the cards so its not as clear cut as you try to make out it's easy to say that when you're not the one receiving them whilst the other side is dodging bullets.
I was loving world cup in japan! This love and respect to the game was bigger then in france! In europe u need masses of own fans for spectacle crowd, but japanese loving every great rugby! Japan was hosted rugby cup so great!
Why does Kirwan hate the Springboks so much... I've never heard a South African pundit not acknowledge the All Blacks when they play well or any other international team for that fact... They give credit where credit is due but Kirwan won't even acknowledge any form of credit to South Africa... it's borders on absolute hate
JK is such an SA hater. He will talk about "proper English rugby" like their boring rugby is perfectly fine. But when the Springboks have a counter-attacking style with a dominant pack he calls us "not the future of our game". Seems like he is still sour from the humble pie he was fed to him at the RWC. World Champs who beat a France team that smashed AB's and then first game of the year with completely new 10's demolished Wales in Twickers. Meanwhile, JK thinks AB's might lose to fckng England but apparently SA #1 team in the world, is not the standard. Please mate, stop being a hater.
@@Calmdown1354 because the English play up and under rugby and kick more than we do, we are the boring rugby! Also, England is terrible atm, while Boks are back-to-back world champs. Not a hypocrite at all.
This is the makings of a really good English pack. Front row still needs a bit of work but that back five forwards will match NZ very well. Not that convinced with their backline defence, but going forward they can use the ball, if their pack gets on the front foot. This could be a really good series.
Glad Mils is being a realist,it isn't easy to get💯% win rate,or even 90%,this isn't 2013 Prime Richie McCaw era.If they're picked in the Squad, it's time to blood them,you got less than 4 years, the time is now.
Binary decisions are rarely representative of the solutions to problems, especially with so many variables in motion. There are many minor tweaks that Razor can make to provide a look at a new direction without giving away a final conclusion. I hope they can get a fluidity to their game that gives them a rhythm that can be replicated. If they can all get on the same page for the entire match then I'd think they will do well and improve as time goes by.
Sky sport really need to consider a change to one or two of these presenters.. a Forward needs to be added to their presenters. First instinct of these guys is always about the backs.. that’s why many prefer the Aotearoa Rugby Pod, with host Ross Karl, James Parsons and Bryn Hall.
Unfortuneately the whole sky rugby shows have been dominated by producers who fill their offerings with people who are narcississts and perform like seals in front of the camera.
It will be interesting to hear from JK about Israel Dagg's comments " how the hell did we let the South Africans teams go". Watching JK and Jeff in a discussion as to where the AB stood compared to the Boks, Jeff rightly puts his money on the Boks as standard-bearers. JK's rejection of these assertions saying the Boks stereotypical style is not the future in light of amendments of laws by World Rugby, confirms that these laws were amended to weaken the Boks. World Rugby has moved the goal, I have news for you, Rassie has already moved the field😂😂😂 Best of luck to all the teams competing this weekend.
John Kerwin will NEVER get over the 1995 Final loss against the Springboks. The Springboks are now not a game played by a small minority white section of the SA population , but by ALL South Africans , setting free wonderful black talent. You are no more playing against a few Million , but against a nation of around 60 Million
Easy to forget that SA won the QF, SF and final by one point. So basically they could have lost any of those matches. France, Ireland, NZ or SA could have won that World Cup. All deserved success but only one team could win. All you can do is congratulate SA and hope for better luck next time.
Aye. The time of placing a brick between winning All Blacks and Springbok team margins has shrunk to the width of a Rizla. Rugby wins that way. Predictive boredom is dead.
Stupid comment, the fact that the Springboks won each of the QF, Semis, and final by one point speaks to their ability to win when it counts because of their superior rugby DNA (like NZ) essentially and fundamentally. Yes, close & competitive but the best team emerged the winner across all the games. Let us not forget the Pool of Death of the '23 WC that the Springboks were in with Ireland to begin with. 4x rugby WC Wins, 2x Back-to-Back, going for a fifth & third. Good luck..
Love the Goldie/Sir JK disagreement on our Boks 😁😆 Looks a bit like humility vs hubris. You're spot on Goldie. Respect for the kind of self-examination that makes the All Blacks the iconic team you've always been 🤛
Before watching the video I can already answer you guys. No, no they cannot. I put a bit more than I liked on the ABs to win by 17. Dont go disappoint me here. The Southern Hemisphere needs the clean sweep. Good luck from SA!🇿🇦 I’ll be watching and tooting for you.
The selection indicates size is paramount, yet Mils is going on about mobility. Haven't we learnt yet that the whole idea of playing a faster game is BS when its so easy for the opposition to slow it down? Even with the couple new rules, the opposition will slow the game down at will - like they always have.
My feeling about these 2 tests and especially Eden Park where the AB's have been so dominant, is that if the English are going to win on kiwi soil now is the time.
The headline should be can the All Blacks meet the challenge of line speed and tight attritional test match rugby that's been 50/50 at best over the last eight years.
@stealthpakfa Yes and all the big dogs employ the Rush D the Abs have proven tho that when they get the kick attack strategy right pre 2024 they can and have dismantled the Rush D now combine that with a bruising go forward pack then it gets interesting.
Ah...NZ playing against their Colonial Masters...brings a tear to the eye. The NZ flag really represents and glorifies the British Flag and hence their Rugby is a tribute to their Colonial Masters in every sense of the word. After all, the English invented the sport of Rugby, giving NZ the chance to repeatedly honor the gift of their masters invention so generously bestowed upon them. One might further say New Zealand has Stockholm Syndrome, but with more tackles and fewer tea breaks. They've taken the colonial gift of rugby and turned it into a national obsession, complete with a pre-game haka that strikes fear into the hearts of their former rulers. It's the ultimate "thanks, but no thanks" to British imperialism - delivered with a bone-crunching tackle and a cheeky grin. So, as the All Blacks face off against England, remember: it's not just a rugby match, it's a postcolonial therapy session played out on grass. And if history is any indicator, New Zealand's coping mechanism involves scoring tries and lifting trophies.
If Tosi and Williams don't play, that would be a massive lost opportunity. Those boys are the future. But we want the future now. But boy oh boy... seeing Tony Brown coaching in Green ... THAT is terrifying. SMH...
JK adds very little subsantitive punditry. He criticizes the Springbok gameplan as being "not the future of our game". What does that even mean? How does the Springbok approach affect the gameplan of other teams? And then he suggests that it's a good thing that the laws are changing to combat the Springbok gameplan. Mils seemed irritated by JK, and made some great points tonight.
Jeff Wilson also said Ireland have no chance to win the test series in 2022. Ireland won 2-1. He also said Crusaders will win the Super Rugby this year. Crusaders didn’t even qualify for the playoffs.
John Kirwan should definitely watch the video between Jim Hamilton and Eddie Jones and what Eddie has to say about South African rugby having been involved in the Bok setup in 2007 and seen it evolved over the last 17 years from there. In all respect I think John Kirwan's view about SA Rugby and the Springboks is based on an outdated stereotype that has since died and Rassie Erasmus has accelarated this inevitble and positive change. The problem is the end of Super Rugby meant that you do not see these guys on a weekly basis but it seems Jeff Wilson seems to be watching some of these games. SA rugby teams even at high school level have changed dramatically in the last 4-5 years.
The boks had to play catch up for many years. Put it down to political, rugby philosophy etc they've had Alot going against them however with rassies introduction we see some light at the end of tunnel. Now we see a coach accepting the fact we have to change but not too much. Rassie has made some invaluable changes. Including brown in the coaching team shows his identified and also has listened to what the fans were screaming about. I feel the best is yet to come from the boks. It might take some time but we'll get there. All blacks has a great coach however test rugby is totally different. Listening to him seems like his trolling Rassie
Jeff Wilson continues saying that everything is fine with the All Blacks because we only lost the World Cup final by 1 point. But the All Blacks were a blade of grass away from losing the quarterfinal to Ireland thanks to a Jordie Barrett held up. He completely forgets all the losses during the Foster era and all the poor performances even when we barely won. He’s more loyal to Foster than he is to the All Blacks. Foster did tremendous damage to the All Blacks legacy, brand and aura.
Foster defied the odds, and not only did he get the All Blacks to a World Cup Final, he got them to within one point of World Cup glory. He left the All Blacks in a great place.
😊dude, during the foster era, covid happened losing our ability to compete overseas ,during that time new zealand was in lockdown ,although most other countries suffered tremendous losses of life new zealand was under a strong bubble of safety ,,,it was this safety bubble that caused a lot of loss in game time and training time and when you don't get game time you can't be expected to win ,,,I didn't always agree with fosters campaign as head coach I just think new zealand as a nation just expected way too much from him given no other all black coach had to go through a pandemic ,,,and as to loyalty of Jeff Wilson his loyalty is to new zealand rugby and so fo I
About to lose the game to Ireland? Stop sniffing glue. The ABs dominated Ireland with having had 2 men on the bin. It was a tight game but those "could have, would have, shoud have" do not exist in sports. If my grandma had wheels, she would be a ferrari car. The boks "should have" also lost to France and England. Did they tho? No. Stop that silly logic and get over it.
Forget about the blade of grass. It's not like it was in the last seconds of the game. If Ireland had scored there were still several minutes to go and the All Blacks would have gone on the attack. Who knows what would have happened? Do you think Beauden Barrett would be trying a 50m drop goal in that situation? It was weird watching the after match comments from Irish pundits. Like they couldn't believe that Ireland didn't win because their game was so superior. The moments of All Black brilliance like the Mounga - Jordan try somehow were less worthy of winning than Ireland's control of possession and passes made and rucks won. Being the number 1 team in the lead up to a World Cup doesn't mean you should win it. The All Blacks have learned that lesson over many years. This was Ireland's first taste.
@@jonathantepairi2664 NZ had the least restrictive lockdowns. Other countries had a far worse lockdowns. Argentina beat the All Blacks on 2020 coming straight from a quarantine. All Blacks had already played Australia 3 times before that Argentina game. Foster did tremendous damage to the All Blacks legacy, brand and aura. He was a nepotism hire. You are either a Foster fan or an All Blacks fan, you can’t be both.
3-England Games, 2-boks, plus Ireland and France, if the ABs perform in all games and go 50-50 in those games then Mils probably has the right number at 9. Can't see Razor not making the AB better, plus Jason Robinson, plus Vern Cotter has the Blues playing proper rugby
JK and his views of how teams should play. When will he get it that good teams (who win Championships) - don’t have to always play expansively. Last week he complained about the Blues ‘style’ and was adamant that they should change next season. They were superb in all facets of the game this season - and won? Common JK? Naaa…. JK would rather have his teams play basketball and lose in the final against a team who does the basics right… Hey ho…..as long as it’s entertaining JK says!!
There is not a 10 anywhere in the world that would have looked good behind a pack that got absolutely owned by the Blues for 80 minutes. Put DMac behind that Blues pack and he’d have run amok. You’re preference for BB is fine, but your argument sucks.
Yes, a new revolution - it's what makes the All Blacks great. They re-invent their game. Michael Jones, Richie McCaw, Dan Carter. Who is going to be the next great All Black?
Yes boks beat the all blacks in the final by one point in the final of the world cup but don't forget the springboks beat the all blacks back to back, what was the score in England before the world cup started when the boks beat new Zealand?
Again we have two failed coaches, KIRWIN and WILSON, commenting on the ALL BLACK, yes they WERE good players, but what did the win as coaches. SKY uses them as they are cheaper than current rugby people who know the current game.
JK better be on this program during the 2 weeks when the All Blacks tour South Africa I don’t want to see him do this disappearing act like after the Twickenham and Paris defeats Show your face and stop calling rugby football
All Blacks to do well considering the pace out wide, Tight 5 watched a few games in Super Rugby as an Bok fan you guys are going to be fine 2-0 against England cheers
Man this panel has zero chemisty, zero humour ...it's just an endless simmering feud between JK and Wilson. It's not pleasant or entertaining to watch. So much better with Justin Marshall there and wouldn't someone like Cory jane or Israel Dagg add a bit of humour?
Fully agree. I mean compare it to the Aotearoa pod - those guys are funny, entertaining and have good chemistry. Enjoy it much more than the breakdown these days.
AB are best and greatest rugby... forget sometimes world cups winning. Then AB are loved worldwide not only about cup winning! AB kiwi rugby its loved about they game and how play it!
As a Saffa, JK always amuses me no end. He nearly had an apoplexy when Wilson went on on SA. According to him the Springboks have been upgraded to WCs only now, he has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Boks actually evolving and speeding up the game plan. 😂
I don't get that "the all blacks play bad in their first test of the season". Over the past 7 years, we the only shaky starts were in 2019 and 2020. The other years we have smashed teams by 30, 40+ points in the opening game.
Watchin' the intro-clips, I thought. When have England ever had a Captain to match Martin Johnson? To beat the All Blacks, or the Springboks, a touring side must have a peerless warrior leader like him; no matter the position. All the truly Great sides revolve around Great leaders. The list is long. You know yours, we know ours and although Martin Johnson is not an Irishman, by Jaze we respect the fella. What a man! The English Captain in NZ had better measure up, like Johnson, if the team are going to go to dark places and beat the 2024 All Blacks in their own 'Parish'. Little wonder Meads wanted Johnson to remain down with yous. He sure enough qualified. Histories eh. Beat them NZ. God Bless😎🏴☠☘
Why do they start with the ALL BLACKS with losses and then say they accept losses as long as the win rate is high? I am glad neither are coaching the ALL BLACKS, we know how hopeless JK was for the BLUES, I can't believe MILS is ok with mediocrity with accepting 9 wins dropping 5 games is a joke. My fear wasn't the world of Rugby turning o the ALL BLACKS and it's aura, my fear was NZ esp our former ALL BLACKS like these guys, actually putting other teams over us. That's where NZ Rugby dies when we hear our ALL BALCK greats not even have the faith.
The world has changed mate. World Cups didn't exist for about 70% of the all blacks reign of "Aura" . World Cups is now what teams strive for and if it means testing new strategies/players that may result in a higher risk of losing tests it's a trade off we have to accept
@@elhefe808 not about world cups,it's about the game going professional.And other countreies,esp north of the equator using its financial muscle to strip southern rugby,esp NZ,of its coaching and playing resources. Tha's the real reason the gap closed.
Dude we loved Mills in his playing days. But what’s up with Kirwan…like WTF man…I don’t think he should come to SA to cover an All Blacks game pitch side. 😂😂😂
JK all heart, no brain. He admitted as much. On a side, the internationals this year are going to be amazing. Pretty much a world cup and more over 6 months. Frothing.
ABs lost to SA by 1 point with 14 men, so JK is absolutely right. No point blowing smoke up SA's arse when in reality they are no better than NZ, Ireland or France.
Rassie is going to this against Irish, stick with what you have and know and then bring in the newbies later. Be prepared, Boks wants to win also between world cups
Good luck with the law changes, guys. I hope they bring everything this panel hopes for. It was so unfair that the All Blacks had to play under the 2023 laws.
The All Blacks need to have focus first on the England then shift focus to the Boks all we hearing from the commentary panel is the All Blacks vs Springboks - that will take care of it self later 👋 on Jeff Muls and Mr Kirwan
What kickers last decade books have🤷 Its incredible how boks taking every point they can and protect they.... boka in japan hade line outs 🤯 Boks kiked and defend they points cleverly 🤯 Dont given away penalties where kickers easy kick a goal. Boks was given away penalties very far out and back!
He’s had a prior coaching relationship with Erasmus before He was very loyal to Jaime Joseph but now Jaime isn’t coaching sa have snatched it up The springboks attack structure already looks improved under his guidance
Score predictions for the first Test in Dunedin?
20-29 All black win
90 to 0 with england win
90 to 0 with england win
4-2
@@DankMangus lol that score is not possible
From an England fan, always excited for an All Blacks match! Hoping to visit New Zealand one day to see the kiwis live. Best of luck to both teams!
We welcome you.
Why would you want to see second tier rugby😂😂😂😂
@michaelmoynihan9591 Who hurt you?
@@khankake9576 I'm entitled to my opinion. It's a democracy. Are you living in China mate..poor you .I will pray for you.😂😂😂😂
Heard mai..
10:45 how cool is that. Touring teams connecting with locals is top top class. Borthwick seems to have brought in a different dynamic in terms of team culture.
New AB era begins. Ressurect a Rugby history epitomized by brutal physical expansive Rugby. Total dominance is the AB way. You want people to keep talking about it like they have for over a Century. England in my opinion has been the most physical of the North through the years. Their record against the AB's is better than Ireland's. They've won a RWC after beating the AB's in NZ. They deserve the utmost respect. You do this by bringing your best game. Up the AB's💪🏾🇳🇿. All the best England 👏🏾
Damn fine comment fella. Straight and true.
It will be pretty awkward if England turn you over this week
@@Nkanyiso131worry about the Irish mate
@@Nkanyiso131 when your own comments betrayed you
Hahahahaha who's is this fools
@@Jayybarr Let’s be realistic, we’ve gone back to back, we have credit in the bank. We can afford to take a few losses as we build towards the three-peat in 2027. Having said that, the only blemish on our recent successes is Ireland. But the video in question isn’t about the Springboks, it’s about New Zealand. So your comment is misplaced. Everyone has been hyping up Razor and that’s on the back of club success - but let’s be honest, international rugby is different gravy. Yes, he seems to have all the tools and hallmarks to be an outstanding coach but he is yet to be tested in the international arena. I think the hype around him is a tad exaggerated simply because we’ve only seen what he can do at super rugby level, which let’s face it - the opposition isn’t necessarily the strongest bar some of the New Zealand teams. But we all saw the knock on effect of that, with All Blacks losing their physicality in the last few years and losing a lot of games up front. So until Razor wins something, I think people need to chill out a bit, otherwise it’s gonna get very awkward if your messiah gets turned over. Because where to from then? You guys wanted Foster out, and if the same problems persist with Razor, where does New Zealand rugby go from there
Attention South African fans. Kirwan is just a troll at this point. Not worth engaging on his points. It only feeds his ego, a way of covering up his horrendous coaching record.
Excellent 😂
Why are south Africans watching and are so concerned about a show for kiwis
fair 🤝🏾 each nation got that mad uncle
@@StarLeo_ So kiwis, brits and ausies don't OR shouldn't watch rugby pass TV.
Agreed. He reminds me of a BENNIE BOEKWURM (those glasses)
First time in ages that I’ve heard Jeff speaking total sense. And JK cannot handle it… :)
its 'Sir'....what poss
I agree. Goldie nailed it this time.
JK is delusional
Here's hoping as an Englishman both tests are 15 v 15 throughout. Cards are wrecking the game. 15 v 15 please!🎉
Ill discipline that leads to cards kills the game. No dirty play, no cards.
@@homonaledi640it's not quite that simple the last 2 games NZ have played against SA they shouldve had cards too consistency is the problem not just the cards so its not as clear cut as you try to make out it's easy to say that when you're not the one receiving them whilst the other side is dodging bullets.
Yes you are right too many games are being decided by cards like the RWC final.
@@homonaledi640plus people don't pay money to watch players getting sent offf
The stupid laws are too pedantic one little tap and you're sent off ridiculous.
It’s exciting to have England coming to NZ for a change! Plus, they have a chance with a new and untested AB coach and squad
i think the Springboks live rent free in Kirwins brain 🤣
Correct😂
He has a brain?
@@hennievandenberg7865 You REALLY THINK SO????.....I WONDER😂💪
Congrats on beating a 14-man team by one point.
@@stevenbissettCry harder 😭😭🤫🤡
I was loving world cup in japan!
This love and respect to the game was bigger then in france!
In europe u need masses of own fans for spectacle crowd, but japanese loving every great rugby!
Japan was hosted rugby cup so great!
Japanese culture is complex.
Why does Kirwan hate the Springboks so much... I've never heard a South African pundit not acknowledge the All Blacks when they play well or any other international team for that fact... They give credit where credit is due but Kirwan won't even acknowledge any form of credit to South Africa... it's borders on absolute hate
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
They say hate is the biggest form of respect in rugby. He fears the Springboks
Perhaps some saffa spiked his drink. I'd be pissed too.
His wife ran off with a Staffa.
NB This isn’t true.
Bitter
The way jk and goldie talk over each other , its no wonder aotearoa pod is gaining the fans 😱💯🔥😎
bro it's,'Sir'....poss
@izakcelliers7307 it's jk to me sis🤣
@@izakcelliers7307 🤫🐒🤡
Exactly!
JK is such an SA hater. He will talk about "proper English rugby" like their boring rugby is perfectly fine. But when the Springboks have a counter-attacking style with a dominant pack he calls us "not the future of our game". Seems like he is still sour from the humble pie he was fed to him at the RWC. World Champs who beat a France team that smashed AB's and then first game of the year with completely new 10's demolished Wales in Twickers. Meanwhile, JK thinks AB's might lose to fckng England but apparently SA #1 team in the world, is not the standard. Please mate, stop being a hater.
Started your comment by hating on England, then finished by begging JK not to be a hater, what a hypocrite!! 😂😂
JK is pretty rugby dumb. Rassie plays all kinds of players. he experiments and try new tactics all the time, between world cups
@@Calmdown1354 because the English play up and under rugby and kick more than we do, we are the boring rugby! Also, England is terrible atm, while Boks are back-to-back world champs. Not a hypocrite at all.
@@4187discussioSnRugby dumb? 😢😮
I think Razor is "Hooked on a Feeling, High on Believing!? Go, Allblacks!
JK is a joke. He still cannot get over it that the Boks is the team to beat.
I feel this will be a 1 all series with the "decider" back at Twickenham. Miss this show in podcast format so I can listen in my car
This is the makings of a really good English pack. Front row still needs a bit of work but that back five forwards will match NZ very well. Not that convinced with their backline defence, but going forward they can use the ball, if their pack gets on the front foot. This could be a really good series.
How far were we away?? Far away because we lost consistency. Consistency breeds self belief and success.
Glad Mils is being a realist,it isn't easy to get💯% win rate,or even 90%,this isn't 2013 Prime Richie McCaw era.If they're picked in the Squad, it's time to blood them,you got less than 4 years, the time is now.
And then he picked BB to start at 10
@@HotelBravoWhiskey First Fail for Razor
Binary decisions are rarely representative of the solutions to problems, especially with so many variables in motion. There are many minor tweaks that Razor can make to provide a look at a new direction without giving away a final conclusion. I hope they can get a fluidity to their game that gives them a rhythm that can be replicated. If they can all get on the same page for the entire match then I'd think they will do well and improve as time goes by.
Preventing Barrett from attracting cards will be a minor tweak. No binary decisions about it.
Sky sport really need to consider a change to one or two of these presenters.. a Forward needs to be added to their presenters. First instinct of these guys is always about the backs.. that’s why many prefer the Aotearoa Rugby Pod, with host Ross Karl, James Parsons and Bryn Hall.
Get rid of Jeff Wilson and add Steven Bates into the panel permanently.
Unfortuneately the whole sky rugby shows have been dominated by producers who fill their offerings with people who are narcississts and perform like seals in front of the camera.
Totally right.
Kane Hames should be on the panel. Keep Steven Bates off. He's the AKL NPC coach, and he has no idea what he's doing lol
Two great All Black wingers y’all are bashing
It will be interesting to hear from JK about Israel Dagg's comments " how the hell did we let the South Africans teams go".
Watching JK and Jeff in a discussion as to where the AB stood compared to the Boks, Jeff rightly puts his money on the Boks as standard-bearers. JK's rejection of these assertions saying the Boks stereotypical style is not the future in light of amendments of laws by World Rugby, confirms that these laws were amended to weaken the Boks.
World Rugby has moved the goal, I have news for you, Rassie has already moved the field😂😂😂
Best of luck to all the teams competing this weekend.
John Kerwin will NEVER get over the 1995 Final loss against the Springboks. The Springboks are now not a game played by a small minority white section of the SA population , but by ALL South Africans , setting free wonderful black talent. You are no more playing against a few Million , but against a nation of around 60 Million
Same as Fozzie, he will never get over 2023 final loss
@@mlisto7367Neither will I
@@jimslim-dh4bgyou’ll be ok
@@internationalconsultant1200 60 million and still struggles against a country of 4 million. SA don't even play league your team should be unbeatable
TJ and Ginge at 9, dmac and body at 10, razor's 1st crack. gonna be hard to sleep the night before the match ay, kia kaha AB'z ❤💛🖤
Easy to forget that SA won the QF, SF and final by one point. So basically they could have lost any of those matches. France, Ireland, NZ or SA could have won that World Cup. All deserved success but only one team could win. All you can do is congratulate SA and hope for better luck next time.
Yes. Better luck and a draw that doesn't put Ireland, France, ABs and Boks on the same side
Shuddup
All you can do is shuuudup
Aye. The time of placing a brick between winning All Blacks and Springbok team margins has shrunk to the width of a Rizla. Rugby wins that way. Predictive boredom is dead.
Stupid comment, the fact that the Springboks won each of the QF, Semis, and final by one point speaks to their ability to win when it counts because of their superior rugby DNA (like NZ) essentially and fundamentally. Yes, close & competitive but the best team emerged the winner across all the games. Let us not forget the Pool of Death of the '23 WC that the Springboks were in with Ireland to begin with. 4x rugby WC Wins, 2x Back-to-Back, going for a fifth & third. Good luck..
First time ever IV heard Blondie talk positive about the Boks , and JK still a sour grape about the World Champions😂 😂😂
Love the Goldie/Sir JK disagreement on our Boks 😁😆 Looks a bit like humility vs hubris. You're spot on Goldie. Respect for the kind of self-examination that makes the All Blacks the iconic team you've always been 🤛
ABs using the England series as tune up games for Fiji
Before watching the video I can already answer you guys. No, no they cannot.
I put a bit more than I liked on the ABs to win by 17. Dont go disappoint me here. The Southern Hemisphere needs the clean sweep.
Good luck from SA!🇿🇦 I’ll be watching and tooting for you.
Love the AB's, stick to your DNA . Jeff was correct you guys were so good in the EC final. Looking forward to see you back in SA.
The selection indicates size is paramount, yet Mils is going on about mobility. Haven't we learnt yet that the whole idea of playing a faster game is BS when its so easy for the opposition to slow it down? Even with the couple new rules, the opposition will slow the game down at will - like they always have.
My feeling about these 2 tests and especially Eden Park where the AB's have been so dominant, is that if the English are going to win on kiwi soil now is the time.
21-20 either team can win this, who wants it most? Going to be a great game. Go the Blacks!
I think NZ should have their first test against an easier team to get the confidence up. We used to do that in the nineties
Should be a great series. Has to ve rhe hardest place to come and get a win. It'll sure test em
Also they still cannot get over losing the world cup to south Africa they were certain they were going to be winners
When did any of the pundits on this show state that? You're just hating and making up BS for the sake of it mate.
@@Me-ex7qg You don't watch this show much do you...
@@Me-ex7qgYou obviously don't listen to Kirwan much 🤫😭
@@speak_your_truth. provide me with one source where he states that the ABs were definitely going to win the world cup or STFU
@@Me-ex7qg Cry harder 😭🤫🐒
The headline should be can the All Blacks meet the challenge of line speed and tight attritional test match rugby that's been 50/50 at best over the last eight years.
Or England meet the challenge of expansive rugby and lack of physically + set piece game to match the top 3 teams which hasn’t improved since 2016
It remains to be seen no one here is daft enough to dismiss England not at all and I cannot wait for kickoff
Rush defense has proven it can shut down the All Blacks running game since 2017.
@@mungoblizzard6114All Blacks haven’t been England since 2018. Got destroyed in the 2019 semifinal and drew in 2022.
@stealthpakfa
Yes and all the big dogs employ the Rush D the Abs have proven tho that when they get the kick attack strategy right pre 2024 they can and have dismantled the Rush D now combine that with a bruising go forward pack then it gets interesting.
Ah...NZ playing against their Colonial Masters...brings a tear to the eye. The NZ flag really represents and glorifies the British Flag and hence their Rugby is a tribute to their Colonial Masters in every sense of the word. After all, the English invented the sport of Rugby, giving NZ the chance to repeatedly honor the gift of their masters invention so generously bestowed upon them.
One might further say New Zealand has Stockholm Syndrome, but with more tackles and fewer tea breaks. They've taken the colonial gift of rugby and turned it into a national obsession, complete with a pre-game haka that strikes fear into the hearts of their former rulers. It's the ultimate "thanks, but no thanks" to British imperialism - delivered with a bone-crunching tackle and a cheeky grin.
So, as the All Blacks face off against England, remember: it's not just a rugby match, it's a postcolonial therapy session played out on grass. And if history is any indicator, New Zealand's coping mechanism involves scoring tries and lifting trophies.
Let’s goooo always respect for the kiwis 🏴🇳🇿♥️
Depends on the referee. I remember 2003, what a dominant English team. Pale Orcs. Tell Richard it's winter. 14 degrees and freezing 🥶
If Tosi and Williams don't play, that would be a massive lost opportunity. Those boys are the future. But we want the future now. But boy oh boy... seeing Tony Brown coaching in Green ... THAT is terrifying. SMH...
What a bummer Mo'unga isn't able to complete Razors ultimate dream
JK adds very little subsantitive punditry. He criticizes the Springbok gameplan as being "not the future of our game". What does that even mean? How does the Springbok approach affect the gameplan of other teams? And then he suggests that it's a good thing that the laws are changing to combat the Springbok gameplan. Mils seemed irritated by JK, and made some great points tonight.
Jeff Wilson said pre world cup we've seen the best SA can deliver, looks like he's walked that back 😂😂
Who cares
Jeff Wilson also said Ireland have no chance to win the test series in 2022. Ireland won 2-1. He also said Crusaders will win the Super Rugby this year. Crusaders didn’t even qualify for the playoffs.
@@stealthpakfa yea he talks to much kaka
@stealthpakfa What did you say tho? And was it correct?
@@stealthpakfa Aye, sure enough he did.Him and Joe 90 both, with us☘. But hey! We didn't let yous all down in the RWC 1/4 finals again!😉🤣
John Kirwan should definitely watch the video between Jim Hamilton and Eddie Jones and what Eddie has to say about South African rugby having been involved in the Bok setup in 2007 and seen it evolved over the last 17 years from there.
In all respect I think John Kirwan's view about SA Rugby and the Springboks is based on an outdated stereotype that has since died and Rassie Erasmus has accelarated this inevitble and positive change. The problem is the end of Super Rugby meant that you do not see these guys on a weekly basis but it seems Jeff Wilson seems to be watching some of these games.
SA rugby teams even at high school level have changed dramatically in the last 4-5 years.
Abs to play razor style, if they click, win by 20, if they dont lose by 10
So a 30 point swing 😂 New Zealand should win comfortably by 12 points
The boks had to play catch up for many years. Put it down to political, rugby philosophy etc they've had Alot going against them however with rassies introduction we see some light at the end of tunnel. Now we see a coach accepting the fact we have to change but not too much. Rassie has made some invaluable changes. Including brown in the coaching team shows his identified and also has listened to what the fans were screaming about. I feel the best is yet to come from the boks. It might take some time but we'll get there. All blacks has a great coach however test rugby is totally different. Listening to him seems like his trolling Rassie
Cheers to the moari side got there flow.
Bok-Fan : all blacks grt coach,, grt team much respect 2 N.Z I'm putting my money on thm 2 win ;-)
JK those big props are good impact but would not hamdle the scrummaging starting against likes of springboks. Degroot and lomax do it all
We love you Jeff!!! lol
Jeff Wilson continues saying that everything is fine with the All Blacks because we only lost the World Cup final by 1 point. But the All Blacks were a blade of grass away from losing the quarterfinal to Ireland thanks to a Jordie Barrett held up. He completely forgets all the losses during the Foster era and all the poor performances even when we barely won. He’s more loyal to Foster than he is to the All Blacks. Foster did tremendous damage to the All Blacks legacy, brand and aura.
Foster defied the odds, and not only did he get the All Blacks to a World Cup Final, he got them to within one point of World Cup glory. He left the All Blacks in a great place.
😊dude, during the foster era, covid happened losing our ability to compete overseas ,during that time new zealand was in lockdown ,although most other countries suffered tremendous losses of life new zealand was under a strong bubble of safety ,,,it was this safety bubble that caused a lot of loss in game time and training time and when you don't get game time you can't be expected to win ,,,I didn't always agree with fosters campaign as head coach I just think new zealand as a nation just expected way too much from him given no other all black coach had to go through a pandemic ,,,and as to loyalty of Jeff Wilson his loyalty is to new zealand rugby and so fo I
About to lose the game to Ireland? Stop sniffing glue. The ABs dominated Ireland with having had 2 men on the bin. It was a tight game but those "could have, would have, shoud have" do not exist in sports. If my grandma had wheels, she would be a ferrari car. The boks "should have" also lost to France and England. Did they tho? No. Stop that silly logic and get over it.
Forget about the blade of grass. It's not like it was in the last seconds of the game. If Ireland had scored there were still several minutes to go and the All Blacks would have gone on the attack. Who knows what would have happened? Do you think Beauden Barrett would be trying a 50m drop goal in that situation? It was weird watching the after match comments from Irish pundits. Like they couldn't believe that Ireland didn't win because their game was so superior. The moments of All Black brilliance like the Mounga - Jordan try somehow were less worthy of winning than Ireland's control of possession and passes made and rucks won. Being the number 1 team in the lead up to a World Cup doesn't mean you should win it. The All Blacks have learned that lesson over many years. This was Ireland's first taste.
@@jonathantepairi2664 NZ had the least restrictive lockdowns. Other countries had a far worse lockdowns. Argentina beat the All Blacks on 2020 coming straight from a quarantine. All Blacks had already played Australia 3 times before that Argentina game. Foster did tremendous damage to the All Blacks legacy, brand and aura. He was a nepotism hire. You are either a Foster fan or an All Blacks fan, you can’t be both.
3-England Games, 2-boks, plus Ireland and France, if the ABs perform in all games and go 50-50 in those games then Mils probably has the right number at 9. Can't see Razor not making the AB better, plus Jason Robinson, plus Vern Cotter has the Blues playing proper rugby
JK and his views of how teams should play.
When will he get it that good teams (who win Championships) - don’t have to always play expansively.
Last week he complained about the Blues ‘style’ and was adamant that they should change next season.
They were superb in all facets of the game this season - and won? Common JK?
Naaa…. JK would rather have his teams play basketball and lose in the final against a team who does the basics right…
Hey ho…..as long as it’s entertaining JK says!!
Damian McKenzie choked in the super final, has never played well at 10 in big games. Would prefer Barrett to be there
There is not a 10 anywhere in the world that would have looked good behind a pack that got absolutely owned by the Blues for 80 minutes. Put DMac behind that Blues pack and he’d have run amok. You’re preference for BB is fine, but your argument sucks.
A 10 is only ever as good as the forwards in front of them , the chiefs forwards went missing....
Lucky yr not the selector and it's just yr opinion.
You talk like it's the only time McKenzie has fallen short. He has played there for the all blacks and never did well@@keza41
No a good 10 can still do his core job well, his timing of kicks and passing was poor even when not under pressure
I miss when Marshy was on the show. He's not perfect by any means but he's a god-send compared to JK.
Kirwin is that drunk uncle in every family 😂.
Yes, a new revolution - it's what makes the All Blacks great. They re-invent their game.
Michael Jones, Richie McCaw, Dan Carter. Who is going to be the next great All Black?
John Kerwin, look at your record against the springboks over the last three years. I wouldn’t say you win every single one.
Yes boks beat the all blacks in the final by one point in the final of the world cup but don't forget the springboks beat the all blacks back to back, what was the score in England before the world cup started when the boks beat new Zealand?
Both wins on the back of red cards. All Blacks have thrashed the boks many times with even numbers
Cry more😂
Boks r champs👍
Not 57 nil
Prior to 2014, the previous England tour to NZ was in 2004.
Nope, it was 2008
JeezJohn Kirwin’s ego is a tough watch.
All Blacks all the way…. Not a doubt at all🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Again we have two failed coaches, KIRWIN and WILSON, commenting on the ALL BLACK, yes they WERE good players, but what did the win as coaches. SKY uses them as they are cheaper than current rugby people who know the current game.
You can’t tell why they failed miserably as coaches with the idiotic comments they spew.
JK better be on this program during the 2 weeks when the All Blacks tour South Africa
I don’t want to see him do this disappearing act like after the Twickenham and Paris defeats
Show your face and stop calling rugby football
All Blacks to do well considering the pace out wide, Tight 5 watched a few games in Super Rugby as an Bok fan you guys are going to be fine 2-0 against England cheers
I want Razor to achieve another 100% season
Good fer you. That's the loyalty.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@izakcelliers7307 we have done it before in 2013
Razor doesn't use standard pod system....
Man this panel has zero chemisty, zero humour ...it's just an endless simmering feud between JK and Wilson. It's not pleasant or entertaining to watch. So much better with Justin Marshall there and wouldn't someone like Cory jane or Israel Dagg add a bit of humour?
Fully agree. I mean compare it to the Aotearoa pod - those guys are funny, entertaining and have good chemistry. Enjoy it much more than the breakdown these days.
Other dude is a non entity
Did jk say he was involved in 6 nations 😮
He coached Italy!!
@@salomiodendaal4473He tried to coach Italy and the Blues. Both dismal failures. Kirwan just buggers up the show !!!
AB are best and greatest rugby... forget sometimes world cups winning.
Then AB are loved worldwide not only about cup winning!
AB kiwi rugby its loved about they game and how play it!
As a Saffa, JK always amuses me no end. He nearly had an apoplexy when Wilson went on on SA. According to him the Springboks have been upgraded to WCs only now, he has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Boks actually evolving and speeding up the game plan. 😂
Looking forward to a good hard test match
We haven't played a test yet lol one training in. England should win the first test.
Training in the camp began last Wednesday and they will have one week to make essential pieces so simple game to win.
I don't get that "the all blacks play bad in their first test of the season". Over the past 7 years, we the only shaky starts were in 2019 and 2020. The other years we have smashed teams by 30, 40+ points in the opening game.
@joshhudson7413 times have changed and international teams are a lot better these day's.
England to win game 1
How the standards have dropped lol
He's ranting about us John Kirwan because he's honest & real about Springbok ability, unlike yourself!
Watchin' the intro-clips, I thought. When have England ever had a Captain to match Martin Johnson? To beat the All Blacks, or the Springboks, a touring side must have a peerless warrior leader like him; no matter the position. All the truly Great sides revolve around Great leaders. The list is long. You know yours, we know ours and although Martin Johnson is not an Irishman, by Jaze we respect the fella. What a man! The English Captain in NZ had better measure up, like Johnson, if the team are going to go to dark places and beat the 2024 All Blacks in their own 'Parish'. Little wonder Meads wanted Johnson to remain down with yous. He sure enough qualified. Histories eh. Beat them NZ. God Bless😎🏴☠☘
England overall, during his tenure, was packed with talent. Non comparison, really.
Why do they start with the ALL BLACKS with losses and then say they accept losses as long as the win rate is high? I am glad neither are coaching the ALL BLACKS, we know how hopeless JK was for the BLUES, I can't believe MILS is ok with mediocrity with accepting 9 wins dropping 5 games is a joke. My fear wasn't the world of Rugby turning o the ALL BLACKS and it's aura, my fear was NZ esp our former ALL BLACKS like these guys, actually putting other teams over us. That's where NZ Rugby dies when we hear our ALL BALCK greats not even have the faith.
You've said alot without actually saying anything, good work 👍
Mate 100% this is the all blacks.. not just the NZ rugby team
With razor , it will be all blacks machine winning.
The world has changed mate. World Cups didn't exist for about 70% of the all blacks reign of "Aura" . World Cups is now what teams strive for and if it means testing new strategies/players that may result in a higher risk of losing tests it's a trade off we have to accept
@@elhefe808 not about world cups,it's about the game going professional.And other countreies,esp north of the equator using its financial muscle to strip southern rugby,esp NZ,of its coaching and playing resources.
Tha's the real reason the gap closed.
Dude we loved Mills in his playing days. But what’s up with Kirwan…like WTF man…I don’t think he should come to SA to cover an All Blacks game pitch side. 😂😂😂
If foster was coaching this year we would be lucky to win 8 tests razor will get 12 plus
Did you guys not hear what Scott Hanson said last week? He said they wanted specialist players in each position.
….and so does every coach - that’s a dream fallacy.
JK all heart, no brain. He admitted as much.
On a side, the internationals this year are going to be amazing. Pretty much a world cup and more over 6 months. Frothing.
He knows more about rugby than you do, random person on RUclips, he's a former player/coach.
@@khankake9576What's your point? JK must not be criticized because he used to play/coach? Silly chap.
Never count England out. If they stick to the springboks 2019 game plan they could be devastating.
JK😂. The Blues bias😅😅. Barret or Perofeta. Come on. But then Christie is the incumbent. He's gonna have a tough time with Scott being coach😂😂😂
I'm South African, Y do England and NZ play each other so infrequently outside the RWC
Mills not happy on his face 35:00
jk is jealous of the springboks
He's giving me Joe Biden vibes.
Another SA supporter talking crap?
The Springboks can take a backseat for now, they're not even in the conversation.
ABs lost to SA by 1 point with 14 men, so JK is absolutely right. No point blowing smoke up SA's arse when in reality they are no better than NZ, Ireland or France.
No he's not jealous. The lucky Springboks just scraped by 14 men in that RWC final, yet they claim it was the best victory ever. Wake up!
Rassie is going to this against Irish, stick with what you have and know and then bring in the newbies later. Be prepared, Boks wants to win also between world cups
Can’t believe crusaders players are in the All Blacks, especially Captain just shocking. I hope we get beaten soundly.
Where else will you draw the brains from?
9 from 14
We are the all blacks man 14 from 14 should be the only expectation
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I don’t know what’s fun t
@@Samoanhulk24 "We are the All Blacks", and yet your name is Samoanhulk........😂 🤣🤣🤣
Thats culture shock if you ask me....🤣🤣🤣
@@sosthenes_stone aw yeah I forgot no Samoans have played or do play for the all blacks. Your pretending to be stupid or you really are haha
Will tell yol this most teams will start to play or have similar players as South Africa
Really? Goldie, is that really how low you think of the NZ players 2024? What an insult to the All Blacks 2024.
Yup, disgraceful and insulting comments from Jeff Wilson towards the new All Blacks coaches and players. Sick of this bloke.
In your head. He is in your head. RASSIE RASSIE RASSIE
Selection decides tactics, kirwan.
Perofeta is barely good enough for super rugby he ain’t even close to AB level
Yet, he's a Super Rugby Pacific champion.
That the bro is
@@khankake9576 Name one game Perofeta has dominated? Just one.
@@stealthpakfaAB XV v Japan last year…
@stealthpakfa The Blues Round 5 win over the Crusaders in Super Rugby Pacific.
Good luck with the law changes, guys. I hope they bring everything this panel hopes for. It was so unfair that the All Blacks had to play under the 2023 laws.
The All Blacks need to have focus first
on the England then shift focus to the Boks all we hearing from the commentary panel is the All Blacks vs
Springboks - that will take care of it self later 👋 on Jeff Muls and Mr Kirwan
Goodness he’s not gonna pass it is he!?? 😮😂😂 🏃🏽♂️🏃🏽♂️36:40
What kickers last decade books have🤷
Its incredible how boks taking every point they can and protect they.... boka in japan hade line outs 🤯
Boks kiked and defend they points cleverly 🤯
Dont given away penalties where kickers easy kick a goal.
Boks was given away penalties very far out and back!
anyone who even contemplates dissing the poms could well be doing so at their own peril , the poms have a habit of beating the All Blacks in NZ
They really dont😂😂
Why is Tony Brown in the Springboks coaching team?
A little concerning..for sure
He’s had a prior coaching relationship with Erasmus before
He was very loyal to Jaime Joseph but now Jaime isn’t coaching sa have snatched it up
The springboks attack structure already looks improved under his guidance
We offered him a contract and he accepted. A very good coach, looking forward to seeing his input play out.
@Andy-bf8os He wasn't a very good coach down here.
Mostly likely to coach them 🤔