I have no trust in the established triple AAA studios, they just don’t have what it takes to make a good game anymore. When games like Boulders Gate, Palworld, and Helldivers, shows you that a real game can still be made.
I will also like to add people coming from COD and Halo DO NOT inspire confidence in the creation of a new BF game. Also, if they are still using their fail frostbite engine that they didn’t spend the money to develop the tools necessary to create a fully functional game, then BF will still be shit. I hate being so negative, but that is the reality of it.
Lets be honest, what we really want is Battlefield 3/4 with updated graphics and updated movement systems to bring them up to date with todays standards. Can they deliver that? I dunno...
@Westie I would love to see that happen. Battlefield 3 and 4 were some of the most fun I ever had playing multi-player fps and I miss the series. As a hardcore Battlefield fan, it's been a seriously disappointing last few releases. Battlefield 1 was very good and really a lot of fun, but I think the majority of players want a modern setting back
At this point it's a dying trend, it doesn't sell great anymore AND it alienates old time players. Wouldn't surprise me if they went the extraction shooter route, which would still show how disconnected the execs are.
Are people stupid if battlefield released a br it would take cods spot with the destruction gunplay and vehicle play which in turn woulf bring more people too their main game.... but thats too smart right
Na stop with that shit, want the og shit go back to the og for people like you we are having a lots of remaster games which is a recicle game and we are all tired of that
Battlefield just needs to get back to it's roots and quit trying to be a different call of duty. Battlefield 4 dropped with 70 something guns. They also need to get back to the ways levels were built in those earlier Battlefield games with destruction. We don't need tornados. With them going back to 64 players I'm hoping that's their plan. The BR being free is great cause I liked the firestorm map.
@hazmatt3250 that's exactly my point and the devs talking back to the fans saying they are wrong and the Infamous " if you don't like it don't buy it " comment I think
@@AnthonyRodriguez-ic9dc that’s my least favorite part unlike BF1 you have this call of duty style movement mixed with the most unrealistic and goofy gun customization. Staying away from that stuff made BF1 special.
Given the state of so called 'AAA' games, our default state should be to worry. I refuse to pre-order games and i won't buy live service games or games that pushes micro transactions. There are plenty of other devs that makes proper games for cheaper.
He is not wrong though. It‘s not the smartest thing to say as a developer or whatever but he is kinda right tbh. If you don‘t like something why would you buy it?
I forgot how many times i have been told everything i wanted to hear from these clowns at EA and dice past 10 years. I will be very apprehensive about this upcoming game. NO PREPURCHASE, and i will watch weeks after release.
If I were at dice i would drop the whole Battel Royale mode a focus on bringing a improved Portal mode with the ability to make player customized game modes with the tools to make their own BR maps, it would give more power to the players to create their personnel experience and inspire others to make different game modes and most importantly enjoy the game.
Battlefield BR........................"SIGH" Nobody wants it, nobody asks for it, we just want a good Batllefield game...................I dont care if its a separate free to play crap or what. Battlefield is not about being a BR or an extraction type game. Its just wasted resources that could be put to a Battlefield game that could bring back the franchise from the brink of it being dead completely. Calling it now...........Battlefield BR is going to flop hard. The new main BF game is also going to flop hard like 2042 or harder, articles will come out stating that resources were taken away from main game to make BR and thats why its such a mess, or something along these lines
They have waaaayy too many cooks in the kitchen. EA keeps thinking that adding studios to work on this is a fixall scenario, and I don't think that's the case.
@Westie I'd think that goes to prove my point. Look at the AAA industry these days, most of these big games are oversized, buggy as heck, creatively bankrupt, monetization funnels. BF isn't the only victim, just the one that hurts most
I miss watching westie, jackfrags, AKA art, stodeh and levelcap’s battlefield content every other day. I have shifted to Hell Let Loose on console after BF2024
I just don’t see a world where bf2025 stays hype for more than a few months after release. Let alone gain the trust back from the players who got scammed
I am so sick of CODS bs I started playing BF 2042 on Sunday and I'm having way more fun. This is coming from someone who was absolutely hooked on dmz and now has accomplished all the stuff in zombies months ago with all the master camo grinds done. I feel like COD charged us for a game full of camo grinds.
In Marcus Lehto’s tweet, do you think the words “whilst I was able” in “I want to thank the Battlefield community for allowing me to listen to you whilst I was able” indicate yet further unwelcome limitation and interference from above or just a cursory indication of time?
Playing 2042 recently its certainly much better then launch but still a few shortcomings, I hope they change how things are unlocked, getting kills to unlock attachments and vehicles upgrades isn't very casual friendly, especially when some require 200kills just to unlock an extended mag. If it weren't for the AI mode unlocking stuff would be frustrating for someone like me who only plays a few hours a day and isn't sweating my booty off
Really hope they hit a home run with 2025 I miss battlefield amd the days of bad company 2 and battlefield 3-4. I like call of duty but battlefield was always my go to. Thanks for the video looking forward to more battlefield videos in the future
I dont understand it. Why do they need a third pillar? JUST MAKE BF4 AGAIN. Just make bf 3 and 4 with new maps and graghics and the classic bf game modes. Boom. Make millions. Thats what the community wants. Focus on making a good game isntead of all the new shite
Why is it that AAA games are taking increasingly longer to make, like ghost recon, it’s been 5 years, same with battlefield, same with farcry, and where’s all the sucker punch games, like its outrageous how many franchises have just been stagnant for 5+ years, and it’s almost been a decade since the Witcher 3, titanfall, and infamous games are just non present, there are so many options for great games and they are just left out by there creators
With Marcus leaving its like you said it could be personal and have nothing to do with anything Battlefield related. Whatever he has going on I hope he can find happiness and can get through whatever issues that caused him to leave.
The concerning part is the "listened to you while i could" bit. Sorta implies that he was stopped from being able to listen to the community amd that might have to do with his exit.
Back in the Bad Company-BF4 days battlefield was definitely my preference over COD. Warzone is my primary social FPS nowadays. But a return to the battlefield roots like BF3 would be much cheaper welcomed.
I think you’d be surprised how many developers work on games these days. It’s very normal to have several studios on the same title, working on different things.
Haven’t seen a video from yourself in a while dude, you were my battlefield go to guy back in BF1 days. Here’s hoping the future lives up to the expectations!
Battle royals aren’t dying but the market is very saturated and only the best of the best can break into the market. I don’t want halo or battlefield to radically change their formula and waste a lot of time and resources on a br.
Battlefield theme is a masterpiece and i been playing 2042 since it relseased it way better now i have friends that play it. its good to see you doing Battlefield content again.
Westie back with the battlefield content ?! Just made my goddamn day man :’) been with ya since the BF1 days and this got me hyped, no matter how little trust we have in EA, knowing you’ll be making more battlefield videos put a smile on my face, so thankyou for that!
Personally would like to see five classes instead of four. Assault, Medic, engineer, Support and Recon, all with weapons and gadgets locked to each class. More dynamics to weapon and character customization, Eg you run slower with a larger weapon or equipping armored plating. Reload times vary depending on what you're doing, fastest reload when stationary, looking around 10% penalty and a penalty that increases the faster you move. Meaning staying behind cover and bunny hopping about the place will have wildly different reload times. I would be fine with keeping 128 players maps as long as they do it right this time, too few objective for the scale of the maps and i felt like they could've added in some bonuses to flags, Eg, capture C1, C2, C3 you gain an AC-130 overhead.
bf2, 3 and 4 roots. No micro transactions, no rehashed CoD bs like Shields, large maps with destruction, don't care about world "scenarios" like tornadoes. No sbmm, no in game balancing to make sure everyone feels like a winner, promote good play over replay value for casuals, and for the love of god put in a decent AI based Anti Cheat to predict and weed out chronus, hardware interjecting cheats, man in the middle cheats and scripts like DS4Win
Once they tried to be call of duty it was a wrap. There is still no great weapon play in the game. They need to revisit bf3 and build off of that model.
BF3 was created as a direct rival to COD. Faster movement, urban maps with CQB combat, faster sprint speed, better weapon customisation, an entire DLC called “Close Quarters” etc. 😁
But what happened to the weapons? Every weapon felt so distinctive. Plus the bullet suppression effects when you received gun fire are needed back in the game imo (I know people hated it). They need to eliminate all wall hacks imo. I am fine with audio and visual "clues" but these wall hacks suck.
Just take the series back to the days of BF Nam and 2 and slow the damn game down a bit so we can actually play as a squad and not worry about fkn K/D bollx.
There hasnt been as much pressure on a company like EA with regards to the future of a franchise like there has with Battlefield. Like the next battlefiled must be a boom or bust
It's not without reason why the big publishers have been laying off so many employees lately. With their profit maximization management structures, they have all found themselves in an entrepreneurial dead end from which they will not be able to get out any time soon. Managers only make games for shareholders instead of gamers for gamers. The future belongs to indie developers and rightly so. Gaming is still art...
I think my wants from the game is to look at what made bf amazing destructive enviroments, do anything you want gameplay. Give us an awesome single player mode like bf1 then were sorted.
If they have still Battle Royale in 2025, I am out from the start. That game mode is oversaturated and overused. Give us back proper Battlefield experience. BattleBit Remastered shows that there is still NEED for such games. I dropped out of Battlefield 5 when Firestorm update dropped. I hate BR. I am old school gamer tho and BR was not a new concept to me (basically it's Last Man Standing game mode from Unreal Tournament ;p).
EA and DICE even fucked up the maps they already made that were perfect in BFBC2 maps.. I have ZERO faith that they know what they’re doing, they don’t have a clue what made Battlefield fun, absolutely brutal.
Them trying to change gunplay almost two years into the title, whilst simultaneously having the worst mouse input out of any game in recent memory (while also essentially denying its existence) is honestly mind boggling to me. Why do they hate their player base so much?
Tl;dr: let people who played previous titles oversee the games development and leadership. I mean right at around the 3:00 mark, all of the people overseeing the game’s development and leadership are just previous run n gun games developers and team leaders, so… are we expecting a failed hybrid again? Why not reviving MoH to have a real answer for CoD and just let people who actually played and ENJOYED older battlefield games (BF1942-BF4, BC and 1943 included) to have a hand in the next title? I always said that I won’t PO another BF game after V but my inner fanboy always got the better of me, and I’m sure a lot of people who got 2042 early felt the same thing. Not again, until we see some real changes take into effect
All I know is the next Battlefield title will need to be on the same level as Battlefield 3, 4 and 1 to gain any of the old fans back, on top of keeping the new ones. It’s a long shot and something I unfortunately don’t think can be accomplished but it’s something I want to see happen.
As soon as he mentioned Battle royal my heart sank. I just hope it works alright with a lot of content going back to the battlefield roots come release day.
Just on the off chance someone at EA is here watching, please, remember - and I feel like I don't speak just for myself here - you guys don't n e e d to release this game in 2025. You guys can release a game in 2026, 2028, 2038, 2050, 2142. You can release this game, who knows how long from now. As long as it launches in a good state, and plays like a Battlefield game, we'll buy it. This fanbase has been hurting for a rock solid entry in this series for over half a decade now. BFV in 2018 was a flop. BF2042 was a flop. They didn't launch in good states, they didn't finish in good states, and the journey between beginning and end with both of them was, frankly, painful. And that's a shame on it's own, because now as a result we probably won't see the near future or distant past settings revisited for quite some time, and I would say those games' settings were the most interesting things about them - I digress, it has been a long, downward turn for this franchise. I and I'm sure many others, would be very happy if whoever is in charge of this game takes their time, however much of it they may need, maybe even reads up on why it is that games like BF4, 3, BC2 and the like were all so loved - things like the destruction, the weapon selection, the map layouts, *the engineer class,* and by extension infantry vs. vehicle interactions - and takes all of it into account as they build what will hopefully, finally be a faithful, feature complete entry in the series after so many years of just not getting one. Long as we get a return to form, we will pay for it. Doesn't matter when. And if we don't, we won't. Simple as.
It's worth mentioning that multiple studios working on a game isn't always a good thing. While yes a lot of devs working on something is good, multiple studios can lead to a lot of communication issues and disagreements. One example is the modern MW3 game which was made between Activision, Sledgehammer, and Infinity Ward. And iirc infinity ward caused a lot of issues for sledgehammer due to lack of communication
With the people involved in this project being solely responsible for arcade, fast paced shooters, I feel like the realism Battlefield used to give us will be a game style of the past....
I think the main reason the battle royal is so popular is because all of the most popular games are free to play. If we got a game like Og battlefield free to play it would take over and if they put one or two more war or looter shooters type games the gaming atmosphere will change I think most people want that but they just are stuck.
Next Battlefield needs to be immersive maintaining a sense of gritty realism, and have enhanced forms of Levolution events. Stick to the core gameplay philosophy of what makes Battlefield unique, by ramping up the destruction physics. First priority is making Battlefield great again, with it's own core fundamental pillars building a good foundation
Lehto was the art director during the Halo era so not sure how good his storytelling abilities are. Though I Battlefield campaigns have been so dull that maybe he would have been able to make an interesting one.
Honestly, I used to get hyped about hearing about new Battlefields. After 2042, just completely crest-fallen and do not give a shit about new Battlefields.
2042 was a huge let down that I actually uninstalled it and have never felt the urge to play it. 2025 is a long long wait especially for someone who loves BF games. I really hope the next game is worth the wait
Honestly they should push it back to 2026. With so many people working on it, new leadership and the rough launches of battlefield past and the mixed reception of bf2042, they need to dot their i's and cross their t's
I personally enjoyed Firestorm a lot, it just had so many bugs that were never addressed or that were addressed way too late for the game to succeed. It also wasn't FTP while Fortnite was and was blowing up beyond belief. I also don't think they should go with the whole "Team objective" type Battle Royale, I think it's going to be a massive mistake. Sure they can make that as a side game mode on top of a regular BR game mode but just going with an objective based mode is a bad idea. People want a fast paced, smooth experience, good sound quality and something they can get in and out of and onto the next match.
honestly I don't think it is bad for bf to try their hand again at battle royale but to attach it with the main game worries me, I rather they focus on the main game release it then focus on releasing a br afterwards
The problem with 2042's setting is that they didn't build on it at all. The premise was great but it was completely empty outside of that. They really should have gone down a single player route with 2042, then I might've gave a damn about the characters they introduced.
Yeah they never expanded on it because of the insanely poor launch. They had a huge amount of narrative built up but they never pushed it out because of all the negativity.
Personally I don’t mind the 2042 “Near-Future Combat”. People like SquidDog using wingsuits have really evolved the game to be like a Just Cause game. Which is extremely fun, and I do think the seriousness of military mobilization on objectives was bit lost with more expression. Destructive environments made BF. I’d also love a BR BF. Ultimately we want a BF3/4 remake. BattleBit, Arma, Halo, Squad, Insurgency all show we need better games with comms and TEAM PLAY.
So I feel like if they did the whole 120 players as a free to play it would do much better. I really liked that idea and was hyped but they did not execute it properly. It would be nice if they brought that back as a free to play
As a designer, I think mild worrying is reasonable for a leader leaving mid-development. It's mixed for me. I don't care much for singleplayer BF content personally, but I care about multiplayer and overall game health, and having a successful singleplayer campaign bring in a million+ players is actually really important for that. 'Quit willingly' is one of those things you can't know for sure. But also it's totally irrelevant (from the gamer perspective why should we care what the reason was? All that matters is an important contributor left, which means we would expect at least a little disruption/delay to be caused by that). Disappointed about the royale garbage. FFA game modes are for casual kids. Also sorta wish we could have a free-to-play core multiplayer experience a bit like Planetside 2's model. I think that's actually the best for both devs and players, but players have this irrational hatred of it and so the safe bet is for BF to stick with the classic b2p model. In fact the safe bet is _probably_ to go all-out nostalgia by also having player-run servers be a feature. Thinking about player-run servers does make the designer in me want to empower players without losing the core experience: * players connect to "Battle Servers", which are either player-run or Official * battle servers connect to a progression server, which is invisible to players except it's where player progression is tracked (unlocking weapons, vehicles, etc) * progression servers would _also_ be either the one Official server (permanently tracking your progress) or player-run * with player-run Battle Servers, this lets them customize any part of the experience they want: map rotation, weapons, "Hardcore Mode" with high lethality, etc * with player-run Progression Servers, they could take that even further by letting players do anything from simple "Everything Unlocked Instantly" to "4x XP" servers to "BF RPG" servers where they literally have a completely distinct tech tree you progress through (ideally letting players add modded weapons to the mix) As for destruction, it's fun to hear that's coming back in a bigger way, though honestly I haven't minded 2042. The main draw has always been mixed-infantry/vehicle combat for me, and while destructible buildings enhances that it's not required.
This is the very last thing this franchise needs. It's sapping resources that can be used to polish the multiplayer or campaign. This news irritates me more than it excites me. I won't be touching this mode at all. BF doesn't need a BR mode. FTP will not be this mode's saving grace.
I just dont understand how they can lose so much money and keep doing what they are doing. I have not touched the last two battlefields until they were under 20 bucks. BF5 was 20 bucks like 6 months after it came out. Those are massive hits but i guess EA making billions off all the sports games negates all that.
Just remember everyone not to preorder these games. I haven’t pre ordered a video game since 2042 and I haven’t looked back since. So far I’ve not even regretted it one bit because every single game that wants preorders always releases in such a poor state and with less content that it wouldn’t even be worth buying on sale for $40. Yet they expect $70 nowadays.
All I want is Battlefield 1 gameplay modernized. I would delete everything and just play that. Some of the most satisfying sniping in the FPS genre IMO.
Firestorm is definitely 100% worth playing more than once me and my squad loved playing firestorm it just lacked content and like you say it was locked behind the paywall. It should have been free i dont know of another world war era battle royal game this was a missed opportunity by the devs in my opinion.
Battlefield is beyond the best game for a br with destruction , only thing I’m worried about is weapons being strong like in conquest. It should be heavy infantry
Problem is you still have people pre-ordering. The people that wont pre-order and prefer old style battlefield are told to basically move on from battlefield if you dont like how this franchise is going. Battlefield isnt cod or pub, its battlefield, but i guess its lost its identity, which seems to be a trend irl lately.
I have no trust in the established triple AAA studios, they just don’t have what it takes to make a good game anymore. When games like Boulders Gate, Palworld, and Helldivers, shows you that a real game can still be made.
I will also like to add people coming from COD and Halo DO NOT inspire confidence in the creation of a new BF game. Also, if they are still using their fail frostbite engine that they didn’t spend the money to develop the tools necessary to create a fully functional game, then BF will still be shit. I hate being so negative, but that is the reality of it.
It's crazy that these established studios need to relearn "just make fun games and people will pay for them"
Lmao they're also companies and will fuck you over in the end. Indie or AAA it don't matter
With the state of the video game industry is going full rtded, I'd think nostalgia and preservation is our last bastion for us gamers.
BF1 is the peak Battlefield and they could just copy the formula and make bank but nope, they should evolve it but backwards
Lets be honest, what we really want is Battlefield 3/4 with updated graphics and updated movement systems to bring them up to date with todays standards. Can they deliver that? I dunno...
I guess we will see!
Would love to see a remake of battlefield 3 or 4 or even better a bad company 2 remake
@Westie I would love to see that happen. Battlefield 3 and 4 were some of the most fun I ever had playing multi-player fps and I miss the series. As a hardcore Battlefield fan, it's been a seriously disappointing last few releases. Battlefield 1 was very good and really a lot of fun, but I think the majority of players want a modern setting back
@SaltyPelican2218 man would I absolutely love a Bad Company 2 remake, just crouching in a bush because there wasn’t prone and sniping was so fun.
Plane and simple. ..that's it and it would kill fps competitors
If they have operators, im instantly out
Rumour is that Classes are returning 👍
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rumor aalso said 204 was gonna be good@@Westie
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial Rumor also said 2042 was gonna be good. @Westie* Fixed it.
Once I hear battle Royale, all of my hope for actual passion n freedom of work into the game goes down the drain
At this point it's a dying trend, it doesn't sell great anymore AND it alienates old time players.
Wouldn't surprise me if they went the extraction shooter route, which would still show how disconnected the execs are.
Sick and tired of battle royales
Are people stupid if battlefield released a br it would take cods spot with the destruction gunplay and vehicle play which in turn woulf bring more people too their main game.... but thats too smart right
@@Dirtbiker359 they already tried that and it was a colossal failure
@@tyian6728 funny thing is cod did too weird what it does when its locked behind a full priced game
What Battebit showed us is there's an audience that wants Og battlefield back
Na stop with that shit, want the og shit go back to the og for people like you we are having a lots of remaster games which is a recicle game and we are all tired of that
Same with the finals and its destruction and helldivers with its non important characters and chaos and just plain fun
Been playing easy red 2 to scratch that og battlefield itch
Nope, graphics still matter.
@@Kollohv2OP was talking about Battlebit's classic gameplay, not the graphics.
NO PREORDER
Battlefield just needs to get back to it's roots and quit trying to be a different call of duty. Battlefield 4 dropped with 70 something guns. They also need to get back to the ways levels were built in those earlier Battlefield games with destruction. We don't need tornados. With them going back to 64 players I'm hoping that's their plan. The BR being free is great cause I liked the firestorm map.
And please no "operators" just a normal customizable soldier
@@homiespaghetti1522 exactly
At this point I’d be happy if they just remade bad company 2
@@Kody845 knowing them they would ruin it lol
What if they made a map with a tornado but the tornado left a random path of noticeable/significant destruction each round 🤔
"back to its roots", "boots on the ground" the devs/press all say this and it means nothing
We just have to wait and see what they make!
"Love letter..."
@@m.m14433 more like a Dear John letter
Ive been going back to Battlefield 1 recently. That game is just so damn good.
Sucks that there aren't as many players in that game compared to BF5, which in opinion wasn't a good BF at all
@@spartan_a1176I had no problem with the gameplay in BFV, I did however have an issue with the fact that it didn’t feel like a WWII game.
@hazmatt3250 that's exactly my point and the devs talking back to the fans saying they are wrong and the Infamous " if you don't like it don't buy it " comment I think
The only things I would say bfv got right was the customization of characters and vehicles and the movement
@@AnthonyRodriguez-ic9dc that’s my least favorite part unlike BF1 you have this call of duty style movement mixed with the most unrealistic and goofy gun customization. Staying away from that stuff made BF1 special.
Given the state of so called 'AAA' games, our default state should be to worry. I refuse to pre-order games and i won't buy live service games or games that pushes micro transactions. There are plenty of other devs that makes proper games for cheaper.
Battlefield 5 Executive told me if I don't like it then don't buy it. I haven't bought a BF game since.
He is not wrong though. It‘s not the smartest thing to say as a developer or whatever but he is kinda right tbh.
If you don‘t like something why would you buy it?
I forgot how many times i have been told everything i wanted to hear from these clowns at EA and dice past 10 years. I will be very apprehensive about this upcoming game. NO PREPURCHASE, and i will watch weeks after release.
If I were at dice i would drop the whole Battel Royale mode a focus on bringing a improved Portal mode with the ability to make player customized game modes with the tools to make their own BR maps, it would give more power to the players to create their personnel experience and inspire others to make different game modes and most importantly enjoy the game.
I prefer a battle royale personally. I hope the next one beats call of duty Warzone because that has gone down hill
Battlefield BR........................"SIGH"
Nobody wants it, nobody asks for it, we just want a good Batllefield game...................I dont care if its a separate free to play crap or what. Battlefield is not about being a BR or an extraction type game. Its just wasted resources that could be put to a Battlefield game that could bring back the franchise from the brink of it being dead completely.
Calling it now...........Battlefield BR is going to flop hard. The new main BF game is also going to flop hard like 2042 or harder, articles will come out stating that resources were taken away from main game to make BR and thats why its such a mess, or something along these lines
It either flops or becomes the main mode for battlefield Luke what warzone did to cod
How many times do they have to fail untill they realize they cant compete in the br market and start focusing on the main game instead?
They have waaaayy too many cooks in the kitchen. EA keeps thinking that adding studios to work on this is a fixall scenario, and I don't think that's the case.
Most big games these days are made by several studios 👍
@Westie I'd think that goes to prove my point. Look at the AAA industry these days, most of these big games are oversized, buggy as heck, creatively bankrupt, monetization funnels. BF isn't the only victim, just the one that hurts most
@jaskegoffii3968 This 100%. It's all about money for them. AA and lower is where it's at, you have small studios putting out so much better.
8:06 the bushes weren’t going to let him go, he’s theirs now.
Bush Wookie in life and in death 😂
I miss watching westie, jackfrags, AKA art, stodeh and levelcap’s battlefield content every other day. I have shifted to Hell Let Loose on console after BF2024
Missed your battlefield videos
I’ve missed Battlefield 🥲
Hope they keep the firestorm mechanic from bfv in this new battle royale. The wall of fire at the end of the match looked so awesome.
Ok.. the chills, that music at the end reminded me of my childhood the OG battlefield.. 😢
That music was beautiful, especially in BF1
I just don’t see a world where bf2025 stays hype for more than a few months after release. Let alone gain the trust back from the players who got scammed
they just need to stop it with the live service nonsense already just sell me a complete game and let me play it.
I am so sick of CODS bs I started playing BF 2042 on Sunday and I'm having way more fun. This is coming from someone who was absolutely hooked on dmz and now has accomplished all the stuff in zombies months ago with all the master camo grinds done. I feel like COD charged us for a game full of camo grinds.
2042 is fun until you realize the maps arent super good
I miss bf3 so much. Canals tdm was wild back in the day and dp rush man it was a perfect game to me
In Marcus Lehto’s tweet, do you think the words “whilst I was able” in “I want to thank the Battlefield community for allowing me to listen to you whilst I was able” indicate yet further unwelcome limitation and interference from above or just a cursory indication of time?
Playing 2042 recently its certainly much better then launch but still a few shortcomings, I hope they change how things are unlocked, getting kills to unlock attachments and vehicles upgrades isn't very casual friendly, especially when some require 200kills just to unlock an extended mag. If it weren't for the AI mode unlocking stuff would be frustrating for someone like me who only plays a few hours a day and isn't sweating my booty off
😂😂 I did that too and it took quite awhile to get the attachments for the best guns in the game and cod is the same with this problem
And still they try to ride the Battle Royal hype train who left the station years ago. There is enought Battle Royal. We need focus on a Battlefield.
Really hope they hit a home run with 2025 I miss battlefield amd the days of bad company 2 and battlefield 3-4. I like call of duty but battlefield was always my go to. Thanks for the video looking forward to more battlefield videos in the future
I dont understand it. Why do they need a third pillar? JUST MAKE BF4 AGAIN. Just make bf 3 and 4 with new maps and graghics and the classic bf game modes. Boom. Make millions. Thats what the community wants. Focus on making a good game isntead of all the new shite
Why is it that AAA games are taking increasingly longer to make, like ghost recon, it’s been 5 years, same with battlefield, same with farcry, and where’s all the sucker punch games, like its outrageous how many franchises have just been stagnant for 5+ years, and it’s almost been a decade since the Witcher 3, titanfall, and infamous games are just non present, there are so many options for great games and they are just left out by there creators
Bioware too. Takes AGES for the new mass effect / dragon age
With Marcus leaving its like you said it could be personal and have nothing to do with anything Battlefield related. Whatever he has going on I hope he can find happiness and can get through whatever issues that caused him to leave.
The concerning part is the "listened to you while i could" bit. Sorta implies that he was stopped from being able to listen to the community amd that might have to do with his exit.
We must all band together and DONT PREORDER the next Battlefield. They have to learn their lesson.
Back in the Bad Company-BF4 days battlefield was definitely my preference over COD. Warzone is my primary social FPS nowadays. But a return to the battlefield roots like BF3 would be much cheaper welcomed.
My opinion on so many developers working on the next BF is this: too many cooks spoil the broth
I think you’d be surprised how many developers work on games these days. It’s very normal to have several studios on the same title, working on different things.
@Westie rockstar games has like the most amount of people working on gta 6 and its insane
Haven’t seen a video from yourself in a while dude, you were my battlefield go to guy back in BF1 days. Here’s hoping the future lives up to the expectations!
What is the new in BR ?!!! Same shit . Nothing about the rental servers with full admin control like what it used to be in BF1942, Bf3 and 4
I think I'd like 128 lobbies on battlefield just in a modern setting
Good video, I’ve heard bit and pieces of some of what you’ve said but it’s good to have someone have all the info in one video thanks
Been saying it for years. Bad Company 3 could fix everything... But it's like EA/Dice just don't care.
i mean modern warfare remakes were banging. why won’t battlefield bite the bullet and attempt the same?
Battle royals aren’t dying but the market is very saturated and only the best of the best can break into the market. I don’t want halo or battlefield to radically change their formula and waste a lot of time and resources on a br.
Battlefield theme is a masterpiece and i been playing 2042 since it relseased it way better now i have friends that play it. its good to see you doing Battlefield content again.
Westie back with the battlefield content ?! Just made my goddamn day man :’) been with ya since the BF1 days and this got me hyped, no matter how little trust we have in EA, knowing you’ll be making more battlefield videos put a smile on my face, so thankyou for that!
Personally would like to see five classes instead of four. Assault, Medic, engineer, Support and Recon, all with weapons and gadgets locked to each class. More dynamics to weapon and character customization, Eg you run slower with a larger weapon or equipping armored plating. Reload times vary depending on what you're doing, fastest reload when stationary, looking around 10% penalty and a penalty that increases the faster you move. Meaning staying behind cover and bunny hopping about the place will have wildly different reload times. I would be fine with keeping 128 players maps as long as they do it right this time, too few objective for the scale of the maps and i felt like they could've added in some bonuses to flags, Eg, capture C1, C2, C3 you gain an AC-130 overhead.
bf2, 3 and 4 roots. No micro transactions, no rehashed CoD bs like Shields, large maps with destruction, don't care about world "scenarios" like tornadoes. No sbmm, no in game balancing to make sure everyone feels like a winner, promote good play over replay value for casuals, and for the love of god put in a decent AI based Anti Cheat to predict and weed out chronus, hardware interjecting cheats, man in the middle cheats and scripts like DS4Win
Once they tried to be call of duty it was a wrap. There is still no great weapon play in the game. They need to revisit bf3 and build off of that model.
BF3 was created as a direct rival to COD. Faster movement, urban maps with CQB combat, faster sprint speed, better weapon customisation, an entire DLC called “Close Quarters” etc. 😁
But what happened to the weapons? Every weapon felt so distinctive. Plus the bullet suppression effects when you received gun fire are needed back in the game imo (I know people hated it). They need to eliminate all wall hacks imo. I am fine with audio and visual "clues" but these wall hacks suck.
A single player campaign is no interest to me, i just want an online mode that works on launch day with lots of destruction.
Just take the series back to the days of BF Nam and 2 and slow the damn game down a bit so we can actually play as a squad and not worry about fkn K/D bollx.
I have hope! I believe they listened to the backlash and that's why they're taking a good long time to make it.
I hope they have listened to the community 👍
There hasnt been as much pressure on a company like EA with regards to the future of a franchise like there has with Battlefield. Like the next battlefiled must be a boom or bust
Didn't know Battlefield would have a crossover with Black Ops 2
I really liked BFV and enjoy 2042 (nonstop since launch)... to each their own I guess.
Hell nooo
It's good to hear Westie being a bit more hopeful for the future of Battlefield 👍
Bringing back BR is so damn stupid waste of resources
Im SOOOOO excited to see you and the rest of the squad back on battlefield
We can all just hope and pray that dice pulls this off and make a good game
It's not without reason why the big publishers have been laying off so many employees lately. With their profit maximization management structures, they have all found themselves in an entrepreneurial dead end from which they will not be able to get out any time soon. Managers only make games for shareholders instead of gamers for gamers. The future belongs to indie developers and rightly so. Gaming is still art...
I think my wants from the game is to look at what made bf amazing destructive enviroments, do anything you want gameplay. Give us an awesome single player mode like bf1 then were sorted.
Its actually insane how far the battlefield franchice fell, considering the insane amount of hype there was before the game released
I like you, Westie. You've earned a subscriber!
If they have still Battle Royale in 2025, I am out from the start. That game mode is oversaturated and overused. Give us back proper Battlefield experience.
BattleBit Remastered shows that there is still NEED for such games. I dropped out of Battlefield 5 when Firestorm update dropped. I hate BR. I am old school gamer tho and BR was not a new concept to me (basically it's Last Man Standing game mode from Unreal Tournament ;p).
EA and DICE even fucked up the maps they already made that were perfect in BFBC2 maps.. I have ZERO faith that they know what they’re doing, they don’t have a clue what made Battlefield fun, absolutely brutal.
I spent countless hours on Battlefield 4 and i can say that has been the best war game by far.
I have over 1500hrs in Battlefield 4 👌
@Westie we've probably killed each other at one point lol 😆
Them trying to change gunplay almost two years into the title, whilst simultaneously having the worst mouse input out of any game in recent memory (while also essentially denying its existence) is honestly mind boggling to me. Why do they hate their player base so much?
Tl;dr: let people who played previous titles oversee the games development and leadership.
I mean right at around the 3:00 mark, all of the people overseeing the game’s development and leadership are just previous run n gun games developers and team leaders, so… are we expecting a failed hybrid again? Why not reviving MoH to have a real answer for CoD and just let people who actually played and ENJOYED older battlefield games (BF1942-BF4, BC and 1943 included) to have a hand in the next title? I always said that I won’t PO another BF game after V but my inner fanboy always got the better of me, and I’m sure a lot of people who got 2042 early felt the same thing.
Not again, until we see some real changes take into effect
All I know is the next Battlefield title will need to be on the same level as Battlefield 3, 4 and 1 to gain any of the old fans back, on top of keeping the new ones. It’s a long shot and something I unfortunately don’t think can be accomplished but it’s something I want to see happen.
As soon as he mentioned Battle royal my heart sank. I just hope it works alright with a lot of content going back to the battlefield roots come release day.
Just on the off chance someone at EA is here watching, please, remember - and I feel like I don't speak just for myself here - you guys don't n e e d to release this game in 2025. You guys can release a game in 2026, 2028, 2038, 2050, 2142. You can release this game, who knows how long from now. As long as it launches in a good state, and plays like a Battlefield game, we'll buy it.
This fanbase has been hurting for a rock solid entry in this series for over half a decade now. BFV in 2018 was a flop. BF2042 was a flop. They didn't launch in good states, they didn't finish in good states, and the journey between beginning and end with both of them was, frankly, painful. And that's a shame on it's own, because now as a result we probably won't see the near future or distant past settings revisited for quite some time, and I would say those games' settings were the most interesting things about them - I digress, it has been a long, downward turn for this franchise.
I and I'm sure many others, would be very happy if whoever is in charge of this game takes their time, however much of it they may need, maybe even reads up on why it is that games like BF4, 3, BC2 and the like were all so loved - things like the destruction, the weapon selection, the map layouts, *the engineer class,* and by extension infantry vs. vehicle interactions - and takes all of it into account as they build what will hopefully, finally be a faithful, feature complete entry in the series after so many years of just not getting one.
Long as we get a return to form, we will pay for it. Doesn't matter when. And if we don't, we won't. Simple as.
2042 was terrible launch but playing the last few months has been fun. You should try again if you haven't played recently.
Battlefield’s DMZ would have been way better than a battle royale, and would probably appeal to battlefield players much more
It's worth mentioning that multiple studios working on a game isn't always a good thing. While yes a lot of devs working on something is good, multiple studios can lead to a lot of communication issues and disagreements. One example is the modern MW3 game which was made between Activision, Sledgehammer, and Infinity Ward. And iirc infinity ward caused a lot of issues for sledgehammer due to lack of communication
With the people involved in this project being solely responsible for arcade, fast paced shooters, I feel like the realism Battlefield used to give us will be a game style of the past....
I think the main reason the battle royal is so popular is because all of the most popular games are free to play. If we got a game like Og battlefield free to play it would take over and if they put one or two more war or looter shooters type games the gaming atmosphere will change I think most people want that but they just are stuck.
My expectations are next to zero after being burned so many times by false promises
Next Battlefield needs to be immersive maintaining a sense of gritty realism, and have enhanced forms of Levolution events. Stick to the core gameplay philosophy of what makes Battlefield unique, by ramping up the destruction physics. First priority is making Battlefield great again, with it's own core fundamental pillars building a good foundation
Bring back destruction as a core mechanic. Slow the movement down. Non-adjustable classes like ALL the other battlefield games.
Lehto was the art director during the Halo era so not sure how good his storytelling abilities are. Though I Battlefield campaigns have been so dull that maybe he would have been able to make an interesting one.
Honestly, I used to get hyped about hearing about new Battlefields. After 2042, just completely crest-fallen and do not give a shit about new Battlefields.
2042 was a huge let down that I actually uninstalled it and have never felt the urge to play it. 2025 is a long long wait especially for someone who loves BF games. I really hope the next game is worth the wait
I hope the wait is worth it 👍
Definitely not pre-ordering 😅
Honestly they should push it back to 2026. With so many people working on it, new leadership and the rough launches of battlefield past and the mixed reception of bf2042, they need to dot their i's and cross their t's
I personally enjoyed Firestorm a lot, it just had so many bugs that were never addressed or that were addressed way too late for the game to succeed. It also wasn't FTP while Fortnite was and was blowing up beyond belief. I also don't think they should go with the whole "Team objective" type Battle Royale, I think it's going to be a massive mistake. Sure they can make that as a side game mode on top of a regular BR game mode but just going with an objective based mode is a bad idea. People want a fast paced, smooth experience, good sound quality and something they can get in and out of and onto the next match.
honestly I don't think it is bad for bf to try their hand again at battle royale but to attach it with the main game worries me, I rather they focus on the main game release it then focus on releasing a br afterwards
The problem with 2042's setting is that they didn't build on it at all. The premise was great but it was completely empty outside of that. They really should have gone down a single player route with 2042, then I might've gave a damn about the characters they introduced.
Yeah they never expanded on it because of the insanely poor launch. They had a huge amount of narrative built up but they never pushed it out because of all the negativity.
@@Westie It is a real shame that we never got that experience 😕
BF2042 was also hyped based on how many studios worked on it so nothing new here. Just wait to see what's the delivered product like.
Personally I don’t mind the 2042 “Near-Future Combat”. People like SquidDog using wingsuits have really evolved the game to be like a Just Cause game. Which is extremely fun, and I do think the seriousness of military mobilization on objectives was bit lost with more expression.
Destructive environments made BF.
I’d also love a BR BF.
Ultimately we want a BF3/4 remake.
BattleBit, Arma, Halo, Squad, Insurgency all show we need better games with comms and TEAM PLAY.
I am sick of battle royales.
Same
4 years…. they’ll still balls it up.
So I feel like if they did the whole 120 players as a free to play it would do much better. I really liked that idea and was hyped but they did not execute it properly. It would be nice if they brought that back as a free to play
As a designer, I think mild worrying is reasonable for a leader leaving mid-development. It's mixed for me. I don't care much for singleplayer BF content personally, but I care about multiplayer and overall game health, and having a successful singleplayer campaign bring in a million+ players is actually really important for that.
'Quit willingly' is one of those things you can't know for sure. But also it's totally irrelevant (from the gamer perspective why should we care what the reason was? All that matters is an important contributor left, which means we would expect at least a little disruption/delay to be caused by that).
Disappointed about the royale garbage. FFA game modes are for casual kids.
Also sorta wish we could have a free-to-play core multiplayer experience a bit like Planetside 2's model. I think that's actually the best for both devs and players, but players have this irrational hatred of it and so the safe bet is for BF to stick with the classic b2p model. In fact the safe bet is _probably_ to go all-out nostalgia by also having player-run servers be a feature.
Thinking about player-run servers does make the designer in me want to empower players without losing the core experience:
* players connect to "Battle Servers", which are either player-run or Official
* battle servers connect to a progression server, which is invisible to players except it's where player progression is tracked (unlocking weapons, vehicles, etc)
* progression servers would _also_ be either the one Official server (permanently tracking your progress) or player-run
* with player-run Battle Servers, this lets them customize any part of the experience they want: map rotation, weapons, "Hardcore Mode" with high lethality, etc
* with player-run Progression Servers, they could take that even further by letting players do anything from simple "Everything Unlocked Instantly" to "4x XP" servers to "BF RPG" servers where they literally have a completely distinct tech tree you progress through (ideally letting players add modded weapons to the mix)
As for destruction, it's fun to hear that's coming back in a bigger way, though honestly I haven't minded 2042. The main draw has always been mixed-infantry/vehicle combat for me, and while destructible buildings enhances that it's not required.
DICE is dead. They are unrecognizable these days. They’ll prioritize their ESG score before they make a good game
Wish they would limit 4 snipers per team it would greatly increase map flow and obj play
This is the very last thing this franchise needs. It's sapping resources that can be used to polish the multiplayer or campaign. This news irritates me more than it excites me. I won't be touching this mode at all. BF doesn't need a BR mode. FTP will not be this mode's saving grace.
I just dont understand how they can lose so much money and keep doing what they are doing. I have not touched the last two battlefields until they were under 20 bucks. BF5 was 20 bucks like 6 months after it came out. Those are massive hits but i guess EA making billions off all the sports games negates all that.
it should release in 2024
Just remember everyone not to preorder these games. I haven’t pre ordered a video game since 2042 and I haven’t looked back since. So far I’ve not even regretted it one bit because every single game that wants preorders always releases in such a poor state and with less content that it wouldn’t even be worth buying on sale for $40. Yet they expect $70 nowadays.
Thought they said FY25 which for EA ends in March of 25…
All I want is Battlefield 1 gameplay modernized.
I would delete everything and just play that. Some of the most satisfying sniping in the FPS genre IMO.
Firestorm is definitely 100% worth playing more than once me and my squad loved playing firestorm it just lacked content and like you say it was locked behind the paywall. It should have been free i dont know of another world war era battle royal game this was a missed opportunity by the devs in my opinion.
Battlefield is beyond the best game for a br with destruction , only thing I’m worried about is weapons being strong like in conquest. It should be heavy infantry
Problem is you still have people pre-ordering. The people that wont pre-order and prefer old style battlefield are told to basically move on from battlefield if you dont like how this franchise is going. Battlefield isnt cod or pub, its battlefield, but i guess its lost its identity, which seems to be a trend irl lately.