The resets are horrible on a complex 5:1. With three pulleys available wouldn't a 6:1 been a viable and possibly better option? And putting a high directional I think would have helped too by getting the rope off of the ground/snow. Also, since these guys are dedicated rescuers, why are they limited on gear at all? Get those boys and girls a Clutch or Maestro.
The resets on a complex 5:1 should be less frequent than the resets needed on a coumpound 2-on-3 6:1 due to the speed that the compounding 2 is moving back toward the anchor... it is moving 3x the speed of the load. Whereas in a complex 5:1, both the travelling pulleys are moving at the same speed as the load... I'll have to verify & set this up when I have some down time. But on the flipside, a 2-on-3 compound 6:1cd does not require you to reset two pulleys in opposite directions, while a complex 5:1 does. Seems like there's always going to be a tradeoff with any MA system you rig. Given the mission profile & skillset diversity, our team's baseline systems need to be relatively simple & straight forward, hence avoiding compound MA systems altogether, especially the 2-on-3cd. I had to give serious consideration & had some reservations about demonstrating the complex 5:1... & granted there are more systems that you can build w/ 4x pulleys. For example, I think an even more efficient option than a compound 6:1 would be a Staggered Batwing 2-on-3 compound 6:1 without a cd where the 1st throw's anchor was directed somewhere else at a distance of 3 times the 2nd throw. That would achieve a syncronized reset & the hauler would also not have to pull uphill, but that's too far into the weeds for a basic program for general applications. I could also have left one pulley with the red line and had that operator hauling/capturing belay on a 3:1 while leaving the black line as a complex 5:1..... soo many options. As for high directionals... not even going to entertain the idea in this environment.
@@Propeller_Head Everything is a trade-off for sure. You could have even kept it as a 2:1 with a change of direction at the anchor and basically performed a counterbalance maneuver. Let that hill work for you. As far as a high directional I was picturing slinging a tree 4 or 5 feet or more off of the ground and running your rope through a pulley. With a removable side plate it's fairly easy to remove a loaded rope once you get to the point that is needed. You should set those different scenarios up. I'll definitely watch 🙂
Weight is a consideration. When there's a long approach with elevation.... through snow - one Maestro weighs as much as 2 I'D and the clutch is nearly the same.
That's why we use I'Ds... we aren't going on any long approaches or skinning up a mountain to access a stuck skier at our resort. For a backcountry response... different set of equipment & techniques will follow.
The resets are horrible on a complex 5:1. With three pulleys available wouldn't a 6:1 been a viable and possibly better option? And putting a high directional I think would have helped too by getting the rope off of the ground/snow.
Also, since these guys are dedicated rescuers, why are they limited on gear at all? Get those boys and girls a Clutch or Maestro.
The resets on a complex 5:1 should be less frequent than the resets needed on a coumpound 2-on-3 6:1 due to the speed that the compounding 2 is moving back toward the anchor... it is moving 3x the speed of the load. Whereas in a complex 5:1, both the travelling pulleys are moving at the same speed as the load... I'll have to verify & set this up when I have some down time. But on the flipside, a 2-on-3 compound 6:1cd does not require you to reset two pulleys in opposite directions, while a complex 5:1 does. Seems like there's always going to be a tradeoff with any MA system you rig. Given the mission profile & skillset diversity, our team's baseline systems need to be relatively simple & straight forward, hence avoiding compound MA systems altogether, especially the 2-on-3cd. I had to give serious consideration & had some reservations about demonstrating the complex 5:1... & granted there are more systems that you can build w/ 4x pulleys. For example, I think an even more efficient option than a compound 6:1 would be a Staggered Batwing 2-on-3 compound 6:1 without a cd where the 1st throw's anchor was directed somewhere else at a distance of 3 times the 2nd throw. That would achieve a syncronized reset & the hauler would also not have to pull uphill, but that's too far into the weeds for a basic program for general applications. I could also have left one pulley with the red line and had that operator hauling/capturing belay on a 3:1 while leaving the black line as a complex 5:1..... soo many options.
As for high directionals... not even going to entertain the idea in this environment.
@@Propeller_Head Everything is a trade-off for sure. You could have even kept it as a 2:1 with a change of direction at the anchor and basically performed a counterbalance maneuver. Let that hill work for you.
As far as a high directional I was picturing slinging a tree 4 or 5 feet or more off of the ground and running your rope through a pulley. With a removable side plate it's fairly easy to remove a loaded rope once you get to the point that is needed.
You should set those different scenarios up. I'll definitely watch 🙂
Weight is a consideration. When there's a long approach with elevation.... through snow - one Maestro weighs as much as 2 I'D and the clutch is nearly the same.
That's why we use I'Ds... we aren't going on any long approaches or skinning up a mountain to access a stuck skier at our resort. For a backcountry response... different set of equipment & techniques will follow.