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you can mount it wherever & however you want as long as the rope enters the fairlead pulley at a reasonable angle. Here it was so much easier to lash it vertical because there were obvious anchors located in a favorable place & it takes up less operational space/real-estate which is nice.

I use both, the ring is just an add-on if I decide to connect to more stuff

@ thanks for the quick response.

If you’re referring to the actual person that was in the hole….. No, he did in fact have a belay. If you’re referring to the empty SpecPak, there was no belay line attached because the point/focus of the video was to go through the various mainline hauling options, so I omitted any additional belay lines for visual clarity

@Propeller_Head I'm referring to the empty SpecPak. How would you tie in that to the belay?

I would have one entrant set a static vertical lifeline and then use a mobile fall arresting ASAP connected into the SpecPack. If ASAPs aren’t available then it’s got to be a more traditional belay line operated from outside the space

I don’t really make gear reviews. The best jacket is really such a personal thing. Because so many factors play into it. Since I’ve been a patroller we’ve gone through 3x different manufacturers w/ additional variances in features from season to season. And for every uniform coat that they issued us, I always had to make some personal modifications to it in order to make it functional for the type of work I do. But my favorite coat was the 2012ish era North Face GoreTex Pro shell…. I find that you get what you pay for in this business.

slope angle changed = less steep = less fall consequence. We're going from steep angle to low angle in one shot. No true need for a 2-rope system beyond that point. Plus we needed more rope length than one rope could give us, therefore the line operator at the anchor ties the two ends together & continues to lower/belay while passing the knot in the process.

@@Propeller_Head assuming its low angle enough it might be prudent to have the attendants disconnect from the litter and become proper litter "bearers". In this way if any of them were to slip and fall there would be little to no impact force on the anchor.

That does make sense. At the COD we were still in the gray area moving away from steep & into the moderate zone. Towards the end you could see the tenders struggle to maintain balance with the litter & it was at this point (@ end of video) where we would disconnect completely. I would argue that a tender slipping/tripping/falling in a steep-->moderate-->low angle scenario would result in minimal force amplification spikes at the anchors, as long as he's still loaded/taught on his primary connection. But that will of course need to be repeated w/ simulated falls using load cells.

Try the 2nd video in this playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLUMn6BdDJNSujjVWTBpV6dTeiZuoDwqLQ&si=4B6EwpBqPqacuL2H

Just a “Thornism”, but if I recall I think is means building a floating focused “bombproof” anchor out of an AZORP where you operate the entire 2-rope system as well as options for fall-restraint lines

Glad it was helpful!

Glad it was helpful!

Sure, Thanks for watching & glad you found it helpful

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate further?

Cool, thanks!

Right on!

I agree w/ you that dropping gear isn’t good… I am not advocating dropping gear by any means. I intentionally dropped that particular gear in order to get it out of the video since it is not equipment that I normally carry or use, and the drop distance was not of any significant height. That aside, the dropping of the gear is not part of the focus or intent of this video…. the skill of passing the knots however are.

Appreciate it thanks

Oooh boy I don’t know if that would make for a very entertaining video. But I’ll think about it. In the mean time the Ladder has 2x 300’ 11mm ropes, 1x AZTEK, 1x litter w/ manufactured 4-pt bridle, 1x patient seat & chest harness w/ Purcell, 2x 3-hole rigging plates, 2x ASAPs, 2x MPDs, 8x single pulleys, 1x double pulley, 2x Rescucenders, 20x carabiners, 6x 8mm Prusiks, 4x anchor straps, & about 8x 20’ long pieces of webbing. Our Heavy has all 11mm ropes. It includes a pre-rigged track-line system that uses 600’ of rope, a CMC CSR2 pre-rigged block & tackle 4:1 using 200’ of rope, AMKUS electric windlass, Harken/Skyhook winch, 1-piece titanium litter w/ full lashing system & custom bridle w/ a pike&pivot V-strap, custom pre-rigged highline carriage & reeving assembly, Spec-Pak w/ lifting bridle, SKED, about 4x 200’ rope bags & 4x 300’ rope bags, a plus-up VORTEX that has 2x blue a-frame heads; 10x outer tubes & 5x inner tubes; shorter “gimpy & stubby” inner tubes; spare pins & pulleys; & 4x custom 8mm guying Prusiks, 1x AZORP, 9x AZTEKs, a bag of 5x IDs, patient seat & chest harness system w/ Purcell, 2x spare full-body harnesses, I-beam anchor clamp, 2x load cells, 2x knot-passing pulleys, assortment of Pitons & Tri-Cams, 1x pilot throwline, 1x tower rescue kit that includes fall protection gear, 1x 200’ dynamic rope bag, 3x primary rigging bags, & 1x random overflow rigging bag. The 3x rigging bags consist of 165’ 6mm Powercord, plastic edge pro, canvas wrap edge pro, 1x large rigging plate, 1x Rescucender, 4x single pulleys, 1x double pulley, 1x ASAP, 1x ID, 1x Maestro, 4x 8mm Prusiks, 1x tri-link, 10x carabiners, 1x CMC flash hook, & a bunch of various lengths of webbing.

Thank you

Thanks

My pleasure

Thanks

I’m not sure if I have, but I’m aware that stacking rigging plates is overkill, & thus I’d call it a “novice” tactic… but the ones I used in this video were so thin that I don’t think it had any negative effect on the connectors. As far as the rescucenders go, I’m not worried at all because they are not part of any belay anchor system. Therefore they do not have the potential to see impact forces. The anchors for the control lines do have that potential & therefore I do not use rescucenders here, rather Maestros & ASAP’SORBERs.

@@Propeller_Head Thanks for the reply buddy. Appreciate it.

Yes, from CMC

@@Propeller_Head hey man thanks for all the time and effort you and your crew put into these videos. Super educational. Reignited my passion for this stuff and have been “nerding out” to a few of your play lists. Thank you !

Thanks, glad you’re finding it useful!

I think 24s should work… 22s are the shorter ones if I recall

@@Propeller_Head we have a surplus of 20s I think they’ll be a little too short though, I’ll have to try em out tonight when I get in!

Because this video isn’t about how to tie the Portuguese. I have a separate video on the Portuguese that you can watch

@@Propeller_Head I meant why wouldn’t you trust the Portuguese as much. You said you’d have reservations on it?

Some of those trusted anchor principle acronyms may be thrown into question w/ the Portuguese... It may not be truly redundant nor adhere to a "No Extension" principle. Rigging for Rescue did some limited testing on it here starting at 2:10: ruclips.net/video/81FpZWMqwC0/видео.html

@@Propeller_HeadI see. Thanks for the info. What about a double Portuguese? Would that not work even?

Don’t know, haven’t done or seen testing, but I assume it wouldn’t make much difference. By “Double Portuguese”, do you mean two separate lines tied around the same object w/ separate Portuguese Bowlines? Or two lines in parallel treated as if one line, & tied? Either way, for me it seems overly excessive & if there was any doubt in my mind, I would just use a different knot to tie my anchor system focus together, such as the classic & straight-forward “BFK”. In my opinion, a Portuguese Bowline is only applicable/beneficial when tied into an object (not an anchor) that has two points you need to bring together to equalize such as a litter frame, inflatable raft, or the head of a multi-pod directional frame, etc. Anything beyond two points I wouldn’t use it due to increased complexity.

You are right, definitely something to consider

I would assume that your assumptions could be correct. I don't know if there are any manufacturers that will publish any tables or info on using these as high directionals because it's so variable & dynamic based on magnitude & direction of the resultant as a function of aerial angle & aerial extension. I think that training on both is a good thing because our environment is too dynamic & unpredictable to arbitrarily cross one option completely off the table & say "never". Different techniques are like having more tools in the toolbox... It's always better to have a multitude of options. But it's on us to select the best ones for the specific task & make informed decisions based on pros vs cons, & risk-reward analysis.

Thank you for your concern. I agree that helmets save lives & prevent injury & rest assured I always wear my helmet when we are conducting live rescue or training that doesn't involve set pieces that I'm narrating for the audience. So in this video, foregoing my helmet was a calculated & conscious decision, & unfortunate for you that it possibly may have diverted your attention away from the key rigging points & intent of the video. It's awesome that you have a keen eye for PPE & safety, but the intent of this video is to go through the Tripod rigging.... Also, as I'm sure you're aware, I am protected from falling down the hole w/ my fall restraint lanyard at all times (& that is the REAL hazard). Thanks for watching.

I’ve never heard of that. What’s an Arizona 7?

@@Propeller_Head forgive me if I mess up the technical details surrounding the creation of it; but from my understanding Arizona FD came up with a seven step progression to go from a 3:1 pulley system to an 11:1 using the least amount of equipment. Basically you need 3 single pulleys, one double pulley, 3 Prusiks, a MPD with rigging plate (or clutch or whatever), 5 carabiners, and an anchor strap with rope. You start with a 3:1 then add pulleys in different ways to get up to a 11:1. I was told they would test people by saying a random step and youd have to build it for proficiency. I have a good power point for it

I see. No, the gear on my sling wasn’t selected to do that, but it certainly could. It has 4x single sheave pulleys, one double sheave, about 65’ of PowerCord, 15x 40KN twist-lock aluminum carabiners, 2x Rescucenders, a Tri-Link, & a SwivaBiner w/ 3-hole rigging plate. Intent was to augment any potential shortages from our rigging packs. In reality for both real rescues & training the only MAs I’ve seen used were Simple 3:1 w/ & w/o a c.d., Simple 5:1, Compound Batwing 9:1, Compound Batwing 5-on-3 15:1, & the occasional Complex Inside 9:1 for short line tension transfers but an AZTEK is often used for that purpose. Doing complex 5s, 7s, & 11s is fine & dandy to get people thinking about MA but I have yet to see any relevant application in fire-based rescue. Mountain/Backcountry rescue however is a different story where those complex systems do have more applicability in that environment.