"Had Naruto eating cup noodles and drinking spoiled milk" How's that Hiruzen's fault? He gave Naruto the money he needed to buy food. It's not his fault Naruto was a slob. "never told anybody who he is" Yeah, because it would've painted yet another target on the kid's back.
Your question is actually one of the most hotly debated ones in Naruto. I wont say whether it gets fleshed out more or not, but i will say that, at the end of the day to the villagers he is not just Naruto, he is also the monster who killed their friends, parents, siblings, kids, etc. Grief makes people act rashly and Naruto became the scapegoat for all the feelings these people had. What potentially made it worse was as we saw at the beginning, some people didnt know completely how the seal worked ane believed the fox was possessing him from the start
oh I'm glad it's something widely discussed so it's not just me missing something obvious 😂. Thank you for your comments, love reading your perspective!
You're missing the part where Danzo framed Naruto as the reason for everyone being scared kinda like a scapegoat. To pin the blame away from the leaders of the village.
Which question exactly? Because we know why minato chose naruto to be the 9 tails jinchuuriki and we know why he didn’t want them to know he’s his son.
I dunno if you speak of this or if it's one of the clips your patreons showed you, but there is an anime-only scene with Shikamaru and his dad, after Asuma's death that shows him asking his son to play Shogi with him. I won't say anymore if you haven't seen it, but I want to say, that's a scene that added SO MUCH to Shikamaru's relationship with his dad and his feelings towards Asuma and his death, and how he was handling his grief. This whole arc does bring Shikamaru forth from the myriad of unpolished side-characters and I love that it did. He was an interesting character I've wanted to see more from since he started coming to the limelight in the first part of Naruto and it felt so good seeing a side-character carry a whole portion of the story while Naruto was just doing something else.
In Naruto, there is a lot of inconsistencies like this one, Iruka growing up without parents, how the First Hokage die, etc. The main reason is that Kishimoto wrote himself in a corner. He probably didn’t think about it while writing it.
@@Jonthegreat18iruka’s parents died in the 9 tails attack wym? As for hashirama dying not getting an answer isn’t an inconsistency. It’s not like his death is plot relevant or anything. Most likely he died cuz of how much he’d shortened his lifespan from the regen
@@Missing_Nin Iruka was 23 when he was teach Naruto in the academy. Naruto was 12 when graduating from the academy. 23 - 12= 11 years old when the Nine Tales attacked. Last time I checked, he known his parents for 11 years. Which means he knew parents love. And it was said he didn’t know. And this is what I mean by inconsistency or plot holes. As far as First Hokage, I can’t say much without giving spoilers, but some one said something about First Hokage that made it seemed like he couldn’t die.
@@Jonthegreat18 Iruka is 22 at the start of part 1 so he was 10 when the 9 tails attacked. You can say that he knows what a parents love is like but he equally knows what it’s like to be without it as well. You can say it’s closer to a Sasuke situation than Naruto’s but plenty of correlations are made between them two as well. The comparison being made between Iruka and Naruto is the acting out for attention when deprived of parental attention. As for hashirama assuming we’re referencing the same thing remember what Tsunade says about mitotic regeneration. There are a finite amount of times a body can create new cells and so every time someone regens or is being healed they are shortening their lifespan
I love the parallels between Naruto vs Pain and Sasuke vs Itachi here. Both are given a great power to defeat the villain, a power which only happens because of the death of a person close to them, someone whom both would trade that power back in a heartbeat to get who was lost back. Both Naruto and Sasuke have a moment where they lose control and turn into an 8 headed/tailed monster but they are saved by a loved one and the power is resealed. Sasuke vs Itachi is Sasuke discovering an evil man is actually truly good and Naruto vs Pain is Naruto having to explain to a man who purports to be good why what he is doing is actually evil
Pain arc didn’t close well , as far as I’m concerned, the people were realive which throw all the unexpected things away that had happened during the arc. It didn’t like to the fandom and it is one the most discussed things in the fandom. 8 out of 10.
@@luisangelrosariovelez5471 man all this prejudice towards masters of the six paths actually using their powers in personally justifiable ways… Back when they still used the six paths in ways that don’t have all the usual Ūchíhà Eyes being used by other complex yet to be fully explored psychological issues related to how their “heart” reflects trauma I suppose? I mean cool changing eyeball visual designs does Look Cooler than anything like a Hollow in bleach having its hole get filled in again or something… dunno why I’m thinking of the Ulquiorra fight ending scene though I guess that’s just more for growth of your female deuteragonist… though the drama there is so tasty that it overshadows the impact that the other characters get and it almost makes it feel like Aî-sán’s choices after could’ve been made more dramatic psychologically but then it wouldn’t be as dramatic as how some of it goes down… man Yâmà-jí is a boss there… man talking bleach no spoilers is difficult to make the point without saying too much… But I feel like she already did bleach didn’t she? I know she did DragonBall but I dunno if she did Z or Super or whatever GT non anime may exist probably only in Japan or weird fan projects… Nevermindit… But My favourite part about the Pain fight which is RARELY talked about is how he’s literally fighting the man that inspired the writing of a character named Nárūtō which his own father felt inspired to borrow this name which I guess is almost like a joke nickname alluding to Nágàtō which… I know there’s a whole episode of a few where we see that scenes from the book and it’s writing but I forget where they’re placed… But man the issues you reach when Naming a character after something to continue motivating a child that Literally Creates that child accidentally through his student’s child being given the actual name… & the weight there is how some of this makes sense because of later reveals but also some of the weight of a “Master of the Six Paths” idea is kinda destroyed by later revelations around the eyes and where they come from… not even bringing up all the theories of how Nárūtō will get the Rinnégán (and all the lame what ifs that are usually just fan fic where they rarely even explore the character much unless it’s stuff where you can tell they need to try doing fan theories but ways that often don’t work… been a while since I heard one that doesn’t sound written by bad A.I. you know? But writing magical eyeball powers is complicated… Though maybe the will of the eyes to have additional clone bodies & Nágàtō not simply using prétà path or whatever the chákrà/life-sucking ability which SHOULD be able to fully heal himself whenever he feels like it unless there’s something More Complex on the cost of the technique he uses as a kid? Which I guess then cripples him or something… Instead of just wrecking and killing he could’ve just gone to chat with the hōkágé and whe probably could’ve healed him with just a few Mini-Kátsūyū clones…. Or I guess they’re not clones since they’re all the same one Lady Kátsūyū… man my dialogue is getting me banned from shīkkôtsū forest twitter… do excuse…
idk if you've already seen the episode for Asuma's funeral, i think its 81, i can be wrong, but you must. its mostly anime original and it was done so beautifully and the cinematography is incredible.
I just think that the mass resurrection was a coward move from Kishimoto. If he didn't want so many ppl to die then just don't kill them, what Nagato did removes all the consequences from that arc.
I will die on the hill of the series should have ended after the pain arc. It's an iconic arc and Naruto's central themes have been answered. Sure you have to rework the sasuke part of the story in an epologue; but that's about it. Everything else makes sense ending wise.
@@Weaponator18 y'all are tripping and exagerrating. Yes the Pain arc is the best one in the series, but that's not an argument for ending the series. NOTHING would have made sense if the story ended there.
@@Weaponator18I completely agree with you. People can be mad all they want but it's true. We got some good stuff after this but we also got so much trash it wasn't worth it lol The only thing that needed to be solved after this was the Naruto x Sasuke plot and the Madara stuff and all that could have been combined and completed in 1 more arc. Instead of having Sasuke go on the idiotic "nOw i wAnT tO bEcOmE hOkAGe" idea, the author could have come up with something else, combine it with the Madara revenge stuff and end it there in 1 arc.
@@xandex69 Why? Nagato/Obito are clear parallels of Naruto so, I fail to see the issue here. It's clearly shown that they're fundamentally different from people like Hidan/Danzo etc.
Naruto's heritage was purposely hidden because The 4th Hokage is a hero in the leaf but he was one of the most feared and hated men in the Shinobi world because of his war feats. Naruto was given his mother's maiden name to protect him from his father's enemies and His status as a Jinchuuriki was supposed to be classified info to protect him from Discrimination but Danzo leaked the info.
Interesting, never heard all that When did Danzo leak it though? Naruto was pretty darn young when the village was ostracizing him. So, that still brings up why didn't the 3rd step in at some point, be a leader, and lecture the village?
@jambobrenn8171 Danzo leaked it pretty early because he figured It would unify the village by focusing their hate in one direction while simultaneously helping to further Stigmatize the Uchiha because of Kurama's History with Madara. Lord 3rd really had a soft spot for Danzo that none of us understand😂 Danzo has literally put out an assassination order on The 3rd amongst so much other foul stuff but he was never branded a traitor or even Disciplined by the 3rd. I'm completely convinced that Sarutobi's Passive approach was his BIGGEST weakness as a Leader. The Manga almost wouldn't have a story to tell if he was competent😂
Deidara didn't train his eye to become immune to the sharingan, otherwise everyone would do it, he just trained it to deactivate genjutsu at will, but in order to do that he needs to know he's under a genjutsu, otherwise he won't know when to use it
@@LazarTheMasterDidn’t Jiraiya teach Naruto in a flashback how to break genjutsu during that same arc? Also just because characters say stuff doesn’t mean it’s always exposition.
@@AVJHalonen Yeah and then naruto says "what if I can't" and he says then you're cooked. We've never seen anyone in the show do it and are repeatedly shown that you need someone else to wake you up from it so...
Shikamaru being the one to get Naruto out of his slump is my favourite moment in the entire series. I love how it is developed organically. We get to see Shikamaru learn that lesson for himself when Asuma dies; which is why it's so powerful when he imparts that wisdom on Naruto. It's incredible writing.
I actually think Nagato's choice at the end made sense from his character. It wasn't that he didn't want to hope for a better future. It was just that he simply couldn't anymore. Then, when he tried to convince another of Jiraya's students of his cause and the cynical line of thinking that he himself held, he was not only met by resolve from Naruto to keep believing in a greater future for humanity, even after having bore witness to the destruction of most of his village and death of his comrades, but also was reminded of his friend from long ago with the same idealism and the hope that Naruto had. This didn't mean, however, that he could just change back to that optimistic young adult he had been at one point, but when faced with death regardless of what he was going to do after Naruto beat him, he chose not to stick to his guns and give that hope a chance in the form of Naruto. He died a cynic, but one who right at the end chose hope because he didn't have anything to lose by doing so.
@@vojtechtesar5767I mean, considering he had no real way of beating Kakuzu, I'd say Tsunade was not exactly wrong in trying to stop him. Without Kakashi, Shikamaru's plan would have failed. The diamond armor would have stopped any attempt to get his blood. And even if he got the blood, that doesn't defeat Kakuzu. . Kakashi deciding to help Shikamaru and go with was an important growth for him. Shikamaru was gonna go regardless. I love Shikamaru, but the idea that he was totally in control and wasn't at least a bit rash is not true. He handled Hidan fine. Without Kakashi and Naruto, Kakuzu kills them all while only losing MAYBE one heart
@@mookiestewart3776 regardless of that being true I do think after lecturing Sasuke and his immediate departure from the village made Kakashi give it a long thunk, which I imagine probably colored the way he thought about what Shikamaru was going to do even if he wasn't due for a scolding
It isn’t a subtle message that the Cycle of Hatred destroys peace. I love that Naruto realizes that the only way to undo it is to let the anger for your enemy go, and realize their humanity and the pain they have as well. No one lacks pain, but the answer is never to give into it.
Nagato was the one who inspired Jiraiya to write what the book would be about. Jiraiya named the main character in the book Naruto who would do exactly what Nagato said he was going to do. Nagato used to love the book too. What changed Nagato's mind was that the person who's name was in the book is now standing right in front of him continuing to pursue the dream he once had (as though Jiraiya knew it would be Naruto who would change the world and not Nagato). Not sure if this was mentioned in the Manga but in the Anime Naruto stated if he changed the way he is, then he will no longer be the Naruto in the book and the book will then have a different ending. So he will continue to follow the way Jiraiya wrote the book so that the meaning won't change. Nagato was reminded of what he once lost.
Also, I think in the anime it was framed as if the quote from the book were Nagato’s exact words that he said to Jiraiya. So I always took that as hearing his own words being said back to him was the tipping point…
i like the parallel of how both itachi and nagato were changed by war, nagato wanting to make everone feel the pain of war, while itachi using any means necessary to avoid inflicting that pain on others.
As a child, the mass resurrection was such a relief. Having all those people die AND seeing Konoha destroyed was something I was not prepared for, so Naruto convincing Pain to "do the right thing" was honestly what I needed. As an adult, it definitely leaves a slight bitter taste in the mouth. The entirety of Pain is still such an amazing theme to tackle but wiping your narrative hands clean and then quickly moving on definitely feels like a lurch. Thankfully, I don't think there are any other instances where this happens (unless my memory is failing me)
Overall the biggest foreshadowing I saw in the manga about Itachi was during the bell test when Sasuke talk to Sakura about him and said "those tears". It's a foreshadowing about him seeing Itachi cried during this night
One thing I LOVED in the Naruto and Nagato final scene was when Naruto, after hearing Nagato's story, he still can't found it in him to forgive Nagato. All the rage and pain doesn't just go away. Yet, he choses to trust his master's words, believe in his vision and gains a lot of strength from Jiraya's belief in him. He choses to hold true to his values and stand strong besides his feelings for Nagato and besides his pain. That made the scene more relatable and much more powerful. On another point, I'm not the biggest fan of the resurrection either. That said, even though Kakashi's death was a great way to go, I was glad that we didn't lose him. Plus, he story isn't finished yet and he will play a vital role later on. Finally, have you considered the idea to stretch this a little bit more and maybe do an episode per arc? This way you can actually get to more detail about its individual arc. I don't think you really need to force 3 separate arcs in one video, especially when there's so much going on. I mean, Kakazu and Hidan could be a video on its own, then Jiraya vs Pain and Sasuke vs Itachi another video, and finally the Naruto vs Pain as a video on its own. P.S.: The scene where Naruto falls in Kakashi's shoulder was SO wholesome!!! GOD!! Why do I love this shit so much???
tbf I think Naruto ultimately forgave Nagato, cause it would be weird to call him his sibling disciple and not forgive him. I think he has alot of respect for Nagato cause he spoke to him like an old friend during when he was reanimated.
"Alot happens here" Kinda give me "oh no... anyway" meme vibes lol. I don't think she really like Hinata as a character so that's why she focuses more on pain. But tbh that was a best moment from hina, she doesn't even mention her at all, maybe she will in the next vid..? But if she doesn't like her and that's why she didn't mention it, that's kinda unfair of her, but then oh well can't be helped, she did also say Hinata annoyed her so there is that lol.
You are right! Minato is definitely not a character who made the right decision for his son. There's more added to this in the future which i think you'll love. And the ending of pain arc too, like you said works beautifully thematically while having problems in application.
You're not alone in hating the resurrection. That's a pretty widely held sentiment in the wider anime community and is also part of the most common criticism of Naruto in general (Naruto's talk no jutsu).
god, i love watching these videos as you go through naruto. i read it week to week as it was coming out and 2 more time after it finish, but watching someone else enjoy it for the first time is like reading it the first time for me all over again
I can totally see how the conclusion didn't work for you. I reread it to see if I felt differently, but I still like it personally. Here's why. To me, it still makes more sense than Granny Chiyo's sacrifice. Hers is good, but it almost just doesn't make sense as a technique she would have to me? Whereas with Nagato, the Rinnegan is foreshadowed by bringing back Pains to basically break all the rules. Now, you may not like that angle which is honestly fair - I personally read a lot of fiction with disgustingly OP conceptual powers so it doesn't bother me. Regardless, Nagato's ending doesn't feel like a cop out to me because I can't help but think of the world where Nagato never fell to despair. He alone could easily beat most of the Akatsuki, and it's left ambiguous whether he could carry out the Rinne Rebirth without dying if he wasn't exhausted (for Yahiko's sake I'm guessing he didn't know it at the time or something). There's so much good someone like him could do, perhaps averting the Nine Tails attack or saving countless deaths, perhaps bringing the world together... but because he falls to despair the best he can do with godlike power is erase a single of his many mistakes. He also influences Naruto a fair bit, so I have a lot of Nagato bias. His change is abrupt, but doesn't feel like a heel-turn to me personally because his sharp responses to Naruto during the battle feel like he's *already* questioning his path. If he was sure he was right I don't think he'd blab so much and try to convince the kid. I think he really wants a reason to believe, deep down, right from the start. It's like you said, the world has taught him that peace doesn't exist. I'm sure he feels guilty as a failed child of prophecy, but Naruto proves that even if he went astray, that doesn't mean Jiraiya's ideal is a farce. Last bit of yapping on my part, but idealism that might be lunacy in our world simply isn't in Shonen. Naruto is factually stronger than the remainder of his village, or at least better suited for this fight, and he *is* strong enough to just tank weaker opponent's hatred and figure out a solution in a way no real-world human can. I tend to really buy into those types of premises, hence why I think it works for me.
Dang, you're right, another thing handled poorly here haha (I don't hate the resurrection as much as everyone else does, but I _hate_ the "reason" Minato gives Naruto. Add the lack of Hinata respect to that!)
She confessed and was "killed" literally two seconds after in the manga, Naruto probably did not have the time to process it, maybe even forgot it as he was overtaken by rage.
@@calliopeshif7581remember the bridge arc naruto forgets everything after he enters the 9 tails and that was only like 4 or so tails so I’d imagine all 9 he’d probably just forgot
@@dadandadandan you misunderstood...no one is bothered he didn't answer her in the moment, in fact her "death" being the reason he loses himself to the 9-tailed is actually a great moment that shows that he does care about her. The issue people have lies in the fact that Naruto seemingly forgot all about it for multiple arcs and didn't address it again until near the end of the story. And I can't even blame Naruto for this...this kind of apathy is so uncharacteristic for him and so obviously just there to make sure the story doesn't accidently defy the generic shonen writing trope (can't allow ships to sail until the very VERY end) that it actively pulls me out of the story, in other words my annoyance with this (and most issues I have with the story in general) is purely meta and directed towards the author. We all knew that this carrot will dangle in front of us for the rest of the story, but then Kishimoto decided to give us one very tiny bite way too early and then in "correcting his mistake" he took it away and stored it in a drawer for a many years...like we're not even allowed to see the carrot anymore until right before we finally get to have it. I actually feel bad for Hinata AND Naruto for being cursed to be written like that.
Some babbling: 1. Hidan's power is such a mystery that there a theory that say Hidan might have born with immortality and became psychopath due to living in such a cruel world. He give meaning behind his mu*d** by stating he is worshipping Jashin. I personally love this mystery. 2. In previous video you said you liked Kabuto(guy with glasses) and now you forgot his name, wow. I hope you will remember his name next time 😅 3. Deidara vs Sasuke is such a brilliant mind game of Sasuke and even deidara. 3. Even thou Naruto is about breaking the chains of fate but Jiraiya accepting his fate is build complexity of the theme. And I remember your first thought on Jiraiya and how you didn't like him and here you are 4. When naruto uses Sage mode his eye forms "-" shape and fox has "|" but when Naruto meets Nagata he has "+" meaning now even the Fox is allowing Naruto to use his power to take down pain 5. You missed the part were Tobi hits his puberty, Sadly Deidara isn't here to see that.
Even then, it really doesn't make what happened ok. Not faulting Naruto's parents, they did what they had to, and thought their son would be in good hands.
It's a spot on observation about the Deidara Vs Sasuke fight. It's one of my favorite fights and they were kinda evenly matched. The only difference was, as you said, that Sasuke was able to remain calm, and Deidara freaked out. If Deidara had the mental strength Sasuke had at this point, he might've actually be able to take Sasuke out.
Because "He remained calm"? Hell, no. Kishimoto came up with a bullshit power for the Sharingan that allowed it to see chakra through skin... Basically a far superior version of what the Byakugan was established to do (until then, it was common knowledge as the superior Kekkei Genkai). Not to mention the less-than-a-split-of-a-second summoning jutsu that allowed Sasuke to escape from the final explosion.
Naw sasuke said he had back up plans and was fighting for info and not to kill, he was superior in basically every way.. Not to mention it wasn't even a straight 1v1.. Maybe it would have been a fight if sasuke doesn't just straight counter his jutsu with his lighting.
Naw sasuke said he had back up plans and was fighting for info and not to kill, he was superior in basically every way.. Not to mention it wasn't even a straight 1v1.. Maybe it would have been a fight if sasuke doesn't just straight counter his jutsu with his lighting.
Itachi vs sasuke might be one of my favorites anime fight. Since it shows so many emotions and it shows that pain grief an vengeance doesn’t heal anything. The only thing that heals you is love the way itachi loved sasuke. I feel like itachi love really changed him it was truly peak character development
It also introduces bluetooth to the world of Naruto. Until then, nobody could transfer power with a touch. It also started the major ramp up in power level for the series and the significant reduction in the clever use of Jutsus and hand signs. Oh, it was also around the time when the Sharingan and all the eye-related powers began gaining prominence, which as annoying at best. At worst it actually offered major retcons for the canon of the story. By that I mean the Byakugan is introduced the superior bloodline technique and the Sharingan was derived from that, to somehow the Sharingan being the strongest and the first (just to give even more free power to Sasuke). I was around back when, during the publication of Itachi vs. Sasuke. Pretty much the vast majority of readers hated the whole thing. Worse, Kishimoto cut away from Jirayia vs. Pain to focus on that lame ass fight.
@@LightningRaven42This comment just screams bias uchiha hater lmao. Calling sasuke vs itachi a "lame ass fight" is so crazy it invalidates literally any opinion you can give on this show ever. The hyuga or their doujutsu were never superior in any way and the show strayed away from tactical fighting when naruto started spitting out tailed beast bombs, it ain't got nothing to do with that fight. 💀
@@LightningRaven42 bro saying "I was there" like that shit happened outside your house and all of us just heard stories about it... We all watched the same show bro, and I have in my 15 years of following this show never in my life heard anyone hate this fight, it's not an opinion you can probably google some polls right now. Your bias is very apparent here and in all your other comments so I'll just guess you spent your time in echochambers with similar opinions...
@@LazarTheMaster I didn't even bothered to watch that fight on the anime. I bounced well before that. In fact, the anime was already getting major flack due its lack of animation quality, too many fillers and poor adaptation of the source material. Shit, I will never forget the adaptation of Pain's arc with that goofy loony tunes animation. Not my fault you were a little kid back then experiencing your first anime. I was a teen back then and even I realized how bad things became through the course of Naruto Shippuden. Abandoned characters, DBZ fights, major retcons of the lore, constant breaks of its own established rules, many plot contrivances. Shit, Kishimoto himself already mentioned in interviews that he was making things up as it went along, because they were "Cool".
There’s an argument I’ve seen in favor of the mass resurrection: hear me out. Naruto could have killed pein. And yeah, I know, cycle of hatred, but realistically he could have killed anyone who would come afterward. The mass resurrection only happened because Naruto chose a path of peace and kept true to his ninja way that he’s had since zabuza’s death. So many things are pushing him in the direction of vengeance sasuke took. He had the closest thing to family he had taken from him, his home was destroyed, he has a being inside him literally made of malice and power, the second he truly wanted to hurt someone, and give himself over to that, he could, and when hinata was taken out, he nearly did, and was pulled back from the brink by his dad. But he didn’t, he chose the man who he wanted to be, arguably the most significant decision he makes in the series (or that an ordinary individual could make in their lives), made the decision only he would, and is rewarded with a miracle.
Same! Kabuto is one of my favorites in Naruto as well, although much of my love comes from the fighting videogames as well tbh. But our boy gets often overlooked and I won't have the Kabuto disrespect from Merphy lol
Another amazing thing to note, is that is is heavily implied that Itachi was Jiraiya's contact inside the Akatsuki, giving him the intel he needed. The story of how Naruto got the Nine Tails will be shown later.
@@Verebazs Might be. Saying that is was *heavily* implied was dumb. Considering No one else has insider intel other than the actual members, Itachi is the only one with the history and intention to be a legit source of information.
For your questions regarding Minato, I don't think we're supposed to get complete closure at this point. Naruto gets some because he finally understands that he always had the parental love he wanted, but as the readers, we're supposed to see that even a man like the fourth hokage isn't free of the blemishes of shinobi world.
I don't know that the intent was for us to see the Fourth Hokage as flawed. I hate that scene and the reason Minato provides, but I don't know that it was supposed to be seen as a toxic way of thinking about a child. Even though that's how it came across to me. Projecting expectations on a kid like that, and placing that much responsibility because "It's fine, they can handle it, they're DEFINITELY going to be great one day - they better be, anyway" is a bad lesson to take away.
@@calliopeshif7581 Yes, Minato is portrayed throughout the rest of the series as being pratically flawless, and his rare shortcomings are treated as gags and forgotten immediately.
11:30 To be fair, it's not just "some character". The Akatsuki are pretty much some of the strongest characters in this world. If anything, this is just another thing to indicate why he was a member of the Akatsuki. He was so skilled/strong, he found a way to counter the Sharingan.
Not a book content creator actually making me appreciate Naruto. I absolutely agree with the comments on the sadness of their lives and taking time to explore that. It is so touching.
In my mind (a mind that hasn't watched or read Naruto in a few years) Nagato has always been fully aware ot the pain and suffering that he's personally casting on the world. I think he was cull conscious of the atrocity of what he was doing but that in his mind the only way to get to peace was everyone emphatyzing by enduring the same pain. He literally decided to embody the pain that could connect people and bring understanding (thus bringing peace) and force people to cooperate under the threat of mass distruction at the hands of the ten tails, essentially giving every country in the continent nukes to force a state of cold peace. He never had to go thru a moment of reflection and desperation for the crimes he committed because he lived his whole life well aware of those crimes and kept going because he though it was the right thing to do. But yeah, the undo button was not good, at the very least he couldn't bring Jiraya back :D
I agree with your take. It’s pretty evident imo he knew and understood what he was doing was causing such pain but had the will to continue to create his version of peace. I didn’t need a nagato redemption arc personally. Even though people don’t like the resurrection I did and imo it made more sense to go that route. Just because characters don’t stay dead doesn’t mean the impact of the arc and the deaths wasn’t real. Pain did show the village “pain”, it changed them, it changed naruto, it led directly into what happened in the 5 kage summit and then the war. Pain imo did help to create peace both with showing them his pain and in his beliefs in naruto bringing everyone back.
@@javiercano9461 The problem is a narrative one and it's the fact that the pain is cut short. Jiraya's death hits hard but the pain lingers for a long time, you grieve for him and you grieve with Naruto. The whole ass village being resurrected is like a grievious wound being completely healed with magic ten minutes later, your suffering was short and there are no lasting consequences. I would be ok with, say, half the village and most of the important characters being revived, but when every single victim is revived the spectator feels robbed.
That really doesn’t make sense. The entire arc was grief. Starting from jiraiya until Naruto met with nagato it was grief. How is that not enough? At least for me it was. I felt hate for a character who took so much. I felt grief for characters and a village that meant so much to me. By the end I really didn’t need more. That entire arc was just one gut punch after another, I was emotionally spent. I don’t see the impact of having more compared to the benefit of nagato entrusting his dream to Naruto and atoning for at least a bit of his actions. Also the entire village wasn’t wiped out. A bunch were evacuated prior and during pains assault and tsunade almost died to save people with katsuyu so this idea that the entire village was just revived is a slap in the face to her efforts. Sure a lot of people died but it wasn’t the entire village. If you feel robbed then that’s a difference of opinion. To me pain was an emotional roller coaster. Ending it on the highest of notes with Naruto’s will breaking through even after he questioned it and almost gave up was a beautiful ending. It added more weight to his celebration after. The village knew and appreciated what he did for them, not just saving people but embracing the villain to the point that led to their resurrection.
@@javiercano9461 The thing is that it feels bad to have your emotions cheated out of you. If Nagato had only ressed about half of the people he killed (not the entire village, good point) it would've been best imo but i would've accepted the scenario better if Pain never had the village to raze. A lot of people hate this because it feels like getting robbed of the emotions, it feels like Kishimoto is squeezing the story for maximum shock and grief but also doesn't wanna lose it's main village with most of it's side characters (even tho, considering how relevant many of those side characters end up being, i would've been ok with 3-4 dying in this fight). Doesn't matter how you do it once you bring resurrection into a story it will either feel like cheap shock and grief or it will used so often (DBZ and One Piece to a lesser extent) to the point death doesn't matter anymore.
I guess that’s just a matter of disagreement. I never once felt cheated out of my emotions. It was the opposite for me. I get if kishimoto did it all the time but considering this was the rinnegan and how OP it is made sense it had that impact both in destruction and creation. To me it was a full circle moment from having all this hate for a character and grief for death to having hope and believing in Naruto. I personally think it would have been a worse turn out without the resurrection but again that’s something we see opposite
On itself the whole full revival of everyone that Pain killed is not a good way to have deaths negated, but knowing what comes next because of this set up about Pain and his powers makes it all the more worth it.
It's the opposite. Kakashi was the most liked character in Naruto that if he had stayed dead the majority of the fandom was threatening to quit the manga and anime LOL.
I would argue that kakashi speaking with his father was necessary for his growth. And his story isn't over yet so it was also necessary for him to come back
I love all your Naruto reviews so far! I haven't seen the show myself, but I know about it through my boyfriend. Your analysis has made me really excited to start watching. I probably wouldn't have been interested if I hadn't seen your reviews. It's been a while since I found a good story to get into, so it's great to know there are still awesome ones from years ago that I can enjoy for the first time.
Many others have said this, and I'd like to also contribute to that by saying if you haven't watched it yet, do watch the sequence between Shikamaru and his dad. The Sasuke vs Itachi fight still hits so hard, and Pain making Naruto almost break was such a cool moment to watch when it aired. Your nitpicks are..... understandable imo. Great video, and day 66 of recommending Bleach
Keeping his identity secret is a better thing. Danzo leaked naruto's identity unbeknownst to Hiruzen and he forbid people to not say about Naruto. Compared to Onoki, Byakuren and Rasa, Hiruzen is way better.
i'm with you when it comes to the reveal of Naruto's dad. my friend said it was easier to foresee in the anime due to the color of the hair. in the manga i presumed the 4th hokage's hair was white, not blonde like Naruto's hair.
Naruto and Nagato are thinking in the same way, but came to different answers. One of them lived a life that showed him that its possible, and one had lived a life that made him fear and regretfully conclude that its probably impossible, but he didn't give up completely and he held on to that hope that maybe it can be possible, deep inside of him subconsciously and when Naruto talks to him about that, he awoke that, because he wanted anything to believe it was true. He wants to believe in something, but he`s not been given any evidence to, so when Naruto does, he grasps it with both hands, he needs substance, he cant blindly grasp for straws, but Naruto is substantial enough, its not him changing his world believes, its him finding reason to believe.
I always took it as Nagato was logically correct about the cycle of war, but was moved to see that Naruto would continue to try in the face of it. He saw some value in the act of working to improve the world itself despite how grim the outcomes may be. I still think it's kind of dumb that this convinces Nagato, but whatever.
I started watching Naruto and OP when i was a little kid in the 2000s they are my favorite mangas of all time OP is my favorite and Naruto second but when i was reading both at the same time there were times were I liked naruto more than OP and am just happy that is still not forgotten and seeing new people reading it :) i have both naruto and OP tattoos lol anyways wanted to say that i been enjoying this vids a lot and think you do an awesome job breaking it down keep up the good work
Kakashi has always been one of favorites, if not my favorite, anime / manga characters. He initially comes off as the "chill badass" character, but you quickly realize, no, this poor man is just exhausted but is somehow continuing to push himself forward, despite the fact that he emotionally has almost nothing left in the tank. His fights are often the most entertaining in the series and are always written in a way that's true to his character. Regarding the part about Minato sealing the Nine Tails in Naruto and why that made sense as the choice for Minato to make... it will make more sense later. But for now, that's spoilers. :) For the part of why he was raised the way he was, that's the classic human condition and how we tend to treat people we're scared of. Naruto's saving the town as a baby was the equivalent of having a nuclear bomb implanted in him instead of having it go off. But now he's the kid walking around like a ticking time bomb -- and most people see him as a threat and he reminds them of all their friends / family that died the last time the Nine Tails attacked. That said... unfortunately I've always felt the one big gap in Naruto's story is why a few of the higher ups more in-the-know didn't do a better job of raising Naruto, youl would think they'd feel like they owed that to Minato. Sure, someone got him an apartment and made sure he had groceries delivered, but there's no good answer as to why so many adults left him devoid of love. And ooooh boy I knew you were not going to like how the Pain arc ended lol. I agree that the resurrection of Gaara was an example of the trope being done right and the end of the Pain arc is the polar opposite. Naruto is one of my favorite stories of all time... but it absolutely has its flaws. That's okay, though -- it makes the series fitting for its titular character. ;)
Regarding your note on the Minato thing: Nothing justifies the whole "I knew you could handle it because you were my son." There's more later about the sealing and Minato having to make a decision in the moment, but I hate the reinforcement of the tendency of a lot of parents to project their capabilities and unfulfilled goals onto their kids. I get that Minato was in a "rock-or-hard-place" position, but don't pull some BS about "I knew you could take it."
I really like your analysis and totally agree about Kakashi, he's a favorite of mine. I feel your last statement so much. Naruto is one of my favorite anime/manga and one I got the deepest into. Unfortunately it does have its flaws and having come back to it years later its a shame how obvious some of the issues are now. But it still has a special place in my heart and I'm really glad people like Merphy are still able to enjoy and appreciate this series for what it offers. Even in an age where it can debated that so many new anime are doing and have done the same thing but better. Naruto was one of the OG big 3. While One Piece is still ongoing and fandom is stronger than ever, and the final arcs of Bleach finally getting anime adaptation that revamped interest in the series, and Naruto might have Boruto as its successor sometimes it feels like people overlook the Naruto series nowadays. I had gotten a lot of "Cool but (insert new anime) is Naruto but better" sentiments from newer anime fans for a while. So its nice to see Merphy coming in fresh and finding greatness in Naruto.
@@calliopeshif7581I had the impression that Minato’s message was more in the nature of a pep talk more than any real justification for implanting the nine tails.
@@richdurbin6146 I guess, but still feels frustrating to me. As someone whose parent actually did protect expectations onto them, it just gets under my skin. But whatever, it still doesn't bother me nearly as much as all the perv gags with people we're supposed to look up to, lol
"It feels like the sharigan is the most powerful thing in this series" yup, the sharingan does whatever magical abilities that the author/plot want it to do. In the beginning the sharingan had a defined rule set; it allowed the user to copy any ninjutsu, and it allowed the user to use genjutsu on an unrivaled level. But it doesn't take long before the sharingan is just a plot device to provide whatever magical abilities the author/plot want/need; and chakra-mechs, lots of really big chakra-mechs.
It is worth to mention that in those arcs that you have just read we meet 2 other people descending from surivivors of Clan Uzumaki - Karin Uzumaki from team Taka (team Sasuke), with her uzumaki sealing techniques - and Nagato Uzumaki himself, with his Uzumaki bloodline granting him massive amounts of chakra which enabled him to Spam all those large scale Abilities like Planetary Devastation, not to mention multiple revivals of paths of Pain during combat, all the way up to his final Mass Revival at cost of his single life
We waited decades for Naruto to finish. We're patient. We all have "I wish" moments with stories, but ultimately it's someone else's dream that we are enjoying. Not that it's a competition, but I'll take deus ex machina resurrections over "realistically" random deaths. ( Looks at GRRM) Plus a resurrection after a wizard ninja Atomic Bomb has historical echoes and hopes for living beyond atrocities.
The important piece you forgot was Hiruzen (3rd Hokage). He's one of the most hated characters for a reason. I personally love Naruto's mother and father though because they both realized and understood the consequences of sealing the ninetails and it tore them apart emotionally, but they also knew that no other child but theirs could handle it. (Sort of forcing them to make the best and worst choice for the right reason)
30:38 because his identity was kept hidden by the 3rd hokage because he thought revealing Naruto's identity would put his life at risk, to keep him safe from Minato's enemies This is one of the reasons why people hate the 3rd hokage along with abandoning Naruto 😅
I get what your saying about the resurrection thing. I myself am not a fan of the resurrection troupe either. But I see it like this if you live in a world where you have the power to resurrect people and you are evil and kill a bunch of people but change your ways it would be weirder if you are like "I can't believe I killed all those people" and not bring them back to life. Plus he can resurrect them and still feel guilt and shame for killing them. Which would have been nice to delve into but unfortunately we didn't get that.
Loved hearimg you gush and critique this part! This is one of my favorite sections of Naruto, so it's always fun seeing some one read it for the first time! I completely agree with all of your criticisms about the end of the Pain arc even if it still all worked for me personally. I also know a lot of people, including Naruto fans, also agree. Like you said, it required more time and set up to really work, and the redemption through death trope is just not very satisfying compared to the alternative. My one small disappointment is you skipped over possibly my favorite scene in all of Naruto, Hinata coming to try and save him, openly declaring her love, and her death being the final straw that breaks him. Pain's speech afterwards! "Do you hate me now, Naruto?" Ugh, right into my veins!
This review makes me want to give this series a rewatch…and I’ve rewatched it at least a dozen times. Naruto isn’t perfect, but it is a great series and this might be its best segment
You need to keep Naruto and Sasuke’s perspective in mind at all times. Sasuke had parents and lost them, Naruto never had parents and then found out he had a dad. Naruto’s character growth from this afterwards seems very organic to me
My favorite part in all of Naruto happens in the pain arc, and its not one most even notice! When Konohamaru uses the Rasengan! and the fact that Naruto was the one to teach it to him! It shows that Naruto is also already preparing the next generation behind the scenes.
Yeah. Watch all the Naruto apologists scramble to come up with bullshit arguments to defend that atrocious plot point. Devil Man was a far more balsy battle shounen and it was published in the 80s. Naruto didn't have the balls to follow through with one of the most narratively interesting choices it ever made with blowing up Konoha.
@@nozers Talk no Jutsu is just a meme way to say Lazy Writing and poorly written characters. There's nothing to be proud about. Naruto Shippuden is a fucking mess. From characterization, to shoddy worldbuilding (this is an absolute fact), to major retcons. Not to mention the power creep that plagues the fights post-Sasuke vs Itachi that pretty much leaves behind the thing that make Naruto interesting the first place. I get it Naruto is nostalgic for many people, it was also among my first anime ever. We shouldn't just let the nostalgia goggles and the lack of critical thinking of our early years cloud the fact that Naruto lost its quality like pretty much every other long-running shounen at the time.
@@LightningRaven42 thanks for telling me how it’s a mess bro really informative insults you got. I’ve watched over 150 anime not including other sorts of media. Naruto is not perfect but it’s still beautifully written for the most part. Seems like you fell for misconceptions or certain RUclipsrs changed your mind. You’re a sheep, it’s fine just don’t pretend like you’re smart. I just want to know what made you hate the series so much 😂 did your ex love it or something?
Well… I didn’t expect it to end after that, but I’m happy to see that we’ve got a few more videos!! We’ve still got many war arcs to go through, and some of them are permanent deaths.
I think a lot of your nitpicks are valid. It really doesn't make sense that Naruto was ostracized to the extent that he was, given the fact that he was essentially a heroic martyr who saved the village. Hiruzen knew this as well, and certainly had the influence and resources to give Naruto a better childhood. I think there are a lot of things in Shippuuden that are inconsistent with earlier parts of the series; Kishimoto is not as good at the macro planning as Oda. But I do think that Naruto (the series) really shines in the small, quiet moments. I love the series for that
He was ostracized because of the Nine Tails and how many people he killed. We literally see Mizuki saying in the first chapter, they hate you because of the monster inside you.
Hiruzen literally says in chapter 1 that he tried to convince the villagers otherwise. That Minato even wanted him to be seen as a hero The villagers didn’t care which is how we end up with the Gag order in place to stop adults from telling the children
Naruto’s father being the 4th Hokage was first revealed during Jiraiya’s death scene. Before that it was hinted at causing years of fan theories and speculations on the level of One Piece YT mania (but on discussion boards back then). Def worth a rewatch/reread for foreshadowing of Naruto and Itachi’s plot lines.
So I understand your problem with the mass resurrection. When I consume Naruto especially after the pain arc, Naruto unveils what the real nemesis of the story is. Hate. While not perfect, Naruto was rewarded for no falling to the hate in his own heart. He was given a reward thematicly for using confronting the hatred and not just trying to beat it back. Talk no jutsu is common joke but it is about how we as people can come to real conflict resolution without breeding further animosity.
I totally agree with you about the resurrection. After Gaara lived, we had a couple hard hitting deaths in Asura and Jurya, and Itachi So it looks like the mangka has a good feel for the drama. Then he just erases the weight and cheapens any future sacrifice. I like having Kakashi back because hes such a favorite, so I would have choosen for Nagato to pick a few people to save instead of just saving everyone. You'd get the consequences and keep the fan favorites. Win- win. Not a perfect solution, but maybe a little better.
To clarify a few things about Minato. (Minor spoilers) - He needed to seal the Nine-Tails in someone from the village, otherwise Konoha would lose its jinchuriki, prompting attacks from other shinobi villages. - If he killed the Nine-Tails, it would reincarnate. - Only Uzumaki can handle the chakra of the Nine-Tails. Naruto, being half Uzumaki, only had half of it sealed within him. - It was Danzo who leaked that Naruto is the jinchuriki. The reasons are convoluted, including sending the message that Konoha still controls Kurama, and also to subvert the trauma of the Nine-Tails incident and shift the blame and hatred to one place. This didn't entirely succeed with the Uchihas, but overall, it worked. However, he didn't leak that Naruto was the son of the Fourth Hokage because Minato was feared and hated by other villages due to slaughtering other shinobi in wars against Konoha. If they knew that Naruto was Minato's son, assassination attempts would be made.
Naruto growing up. I think they expand on it way more later on. But the village views the Jinchuriki as the monster its self the thing that rampaged the village and killed comrades. That's why they treated Naruto like an outsider. In regards to Pain, I think the point of him having lived a life making the choices he had made, he did what he did in hopes of creating a world where peace can be obtained. In that effort he did succeed Naruto is here. The pain inflicted if he can do anything it is restore the leaf to some semblance of its former self. I get wanting more, honestly you do get more story moving forward that paints more of a picture honestly. But I do enjoy the content here
everybody knew he was the 4th hokages son and he had the 9 tail fox in him. He trusted the 3rd hokage (old hokage at the start of the seires) to take care of naruto, but the 3rd kinda abandoned him. And a lot of the villagers hated him because they were scared of him and the 9 failed fox demon in him.
Jiraiya, despite his eccentricities and goofy nature was also an accomplished spymaster with a fairly large and widespread information network in the each of the 5 great shinobi nations. This was one of the reasons he traveled all over the world. Rather than something he thought up on the fly, this was most likely a method he had in his back pocket for a while.
31:00 Jinchurikis are treated in this way, you can basically say they(Jinchurikis) are discriminated, if you remember Gaara's abduction arc Kakashi mentioned how jinchurikis are treated in their respective villages.
Naruto pain arc is very profound in it's theme for hope vs pain, future vs past and it defined part of my life. I am little disappointed at how the whole series ended with redacted arc but I can understand how this came about as the answer to the pains question tho it feels like a cop out with the need for everyone to ally together against common enemy. Pain arc is just purely awesome
Also, the scene between Nagato and Naruto was what the spawned the term "Talk No Jutsu". Often used when talking about poorly written plot developments and contrived character behavior.
What? That's good writing because it's perfectly in line with Naruto's character as a forgiving and hopeful person who always trys to reach an understanding with others. Everything made sense too because they were literally tied together by Jiraiya and had similar goals with different methods. Just because people don't like something doesn't make it bad writing when the characters are acting the way they're supposed to (which actually makes it well-written, they're behaving the way they are meant to). Talk no Jutsu is a meme.
@@inkoctopui3787 This is in line with Naruto's character, sure. Doesn't mean the whole thing wasn't incredibly forced and contrived. Talk No Jutsu only became a meme because the execution was terrible. Naruto went downhill really fast after Jirayia vs. Pain. The retcons, power creep, plot conveniences, characterization, everything went off the rails and I still can't believe to this day there are people who watched it and non-ironically thought it was still good. Naruto's downward trend was notorious way back then with the fans at the time, before Naruto became a hit with a bunch of kids when they saw it on TV.
@@LightningRaven42 Stop changing the topic. You claimed that a character acting the way he's supposed to is bad writing when it's actuslly brilliant writing considering how in tune it is with the character and the themes of the story. Also, wrong. Naruto's manga sales figures are publically available in charts and they show that Naruto was consistently well received all the way through with no significant changes. This means people overwhelmingly liked the series well after the Invasion of Pain Arc. Naruto's manga still ranks at the top positions in Japanese manga polls even today, top 7 and up. So no people still loved the series all the way through no matter how hard you complain.
1. In the original unedited release of the manga Shikamaru took the cigarettes Asuma had & was smokin them till the end of the Ark where he tossed it to kill Hidan. The anime changed it for ratings & that eng release u're readin is edited for some stupid reason. 2. I love the Pain revive thing & it's 1 of the few times that make sense & work for a few reason. 1st off it doesn't remove EVERYTHIN ELSE he did long before this & even before Jiraiya at all. We know while naruto respects him & honors him greatly now he stated he can't EVER forgive wut was done. It actually serves as a cool strategical advantage cus if the leaf has most of their ppl dead then they're vulnerable & that puts them in a HORRIBLE position movin forward considerin they're 1 of the top hidden villages & that would make it next to impossible to move forward to the next thing properly. He's puttin Naruto in THE BEST position he can to start him off before he's gone. 3. The 3rd hokage Hiruzen made the executive decision NOT to tell ANYONE bout the nine-tails bein sealed in Naruto or that naruto is the 4ths son. He thought it would be horrible if that info got leaked outside the village but ofc 1 of those things got around regardless. 3rd was the main reason that naruto lived the poor life he did cause he thought it would be best to keep Naruto & the village safe. edit: I wanna ask ur thoughts on the extra hinata scene against pain in the anime & even the manga since u never mentioned it. I personally adore it
I remember back in middle school, all the boys in my class wanted to be a "Shikamaru" but could barely solve a math problem.
technically shikamaru wasn't that great in the academy either, but he just didn't care
Thinking 12 steps ahead.. to what i'm having for lunch
@@dudeguy8686real
fools want to be shikamaru.
the wise want to be chouji.
Math just a drag
You're not dumb, Hiruzen the third hokage is a criminal 😂. Had Naruto eating cup noodles and drinking spoiled milk and never told anybody who he is
It's Tobi's fault for killing Hiruzen's wife who would have been like a foster mother for Naruto had she lived ;).
@@rauliggynashow9092i mean everything is Tobi’s fault but Hiruzen could have taken better care of Naruto
Its danzo fault for outting naruto
"Had Naruto eating cup noodles and drinking spoiled milk"
How's that Hiruzen's fault? He gave Naruto the money he needed to buy food. It's not his fault Naruto was a slob.
"never told anybody who he is"
Yeah, because it would've painted yet another target on the kid's back.
@@Verebazshe barely had enough money to take care of himself.
Your question is actually one of the most hotly debated ones in Naruto. I wont say whether it gets fleshed out more or not, but i will say that, at the end of the day to the villagers he is not just Naruto, he is also the monster who killed their friends, parents, siblings, kids, etc. Grief makes people act rashly and Naruto became the scapegoat for all the feelings these people had. What potentially made it worse was as we saw at the beginning, some people didnt know completely how the seal worked ane believed the fox was possessing him from the start
oh I'm glad it's something widely discussed so it's not just me missing something obvious 😂. Thank you for your comments, love reading your perspective!
You're missing the part where Danzo framed Naruto as the reason for everyone being scared kinda like a scapegoat. To pin the blame away from the leaders of the village.
@@merphynapier42 Maybe on your next video, you should discuss Talk No Jutsu and how strong it is.
Dude, spoilers
Which question exactly? Because we know why minato chose naruto to be the 9 tails jinchuuriki and we know why he didn’t want them to know he’s his son.
I dunno if you speak of this or if it's one of the clips your patreons showed you, but there is an anime-only scene with Shikamaru and his dad, after Asuma's death that shows him asking his son to play Shogi with him. I won't say anymore if you haven't seen it, but I want to say, that's a scene that added SO MUCH to Shikamaru's relationship with his dad and his feelings towards Asuma and his death, and how he was handling his grief.
This whole arc does bring Shikamaru forth from the myriad of unpolished side-characters and I love that it did. He was an interesting character I've wanted to see more from since he started coming to the limelight in the first part of Naruto and it felt so good seeing a side-character carry a whole portion of the story while Naruto was just doing something else.
Omg the shogi scene! I didn’t realise that was anime only it’s done so well
Episode 81 of Shippuden, top 3 episode of Naruto imo
@@yonkocommander5531 *Ep 82
wait wtf you're talking about the king conversation? that's anime only?? thats crazy
I mentioned this to her a couple weeks ago and hoped that her Patron would include it 😢
no one bothering to tell naruto who his dad was is an entire meme in the fandom. you didn’t miss anything, it genuinely is bizarre
In Naruto, there is a lot of inconsistencies like this one, Iruka growing up without parents, how the First Hokage die, etc.
The main reason is that Kishimoto wrote himself in a corner. He probably didn’t think about it while writing it.
@@Jonthegreat18iruka’s parents died in the 9 tails attack wym? As for hashirama dying not getting an answer isn’t an inconsistency. It’s not like his death is plot relevant or anything. Most likely he died cuz of how much he’d shortened his lifespan from the regen
@@Missing_Nin Iruka was 23 when he was teach Naruto in the academy. Naruto was 12 when graduating from the academy. 23 - 12= 11 years old when the Nine Tales attacked.
Last time I checked, he known his parents for 11 years. Which means he knew parents love. And it was said he didn’t know.
And this is what I mean by inconsistency or plot holes.
As far as First Hokage, I can’t say much without giving spoilers, but some one said something about First Hokage that made it seemed like he couldn’t die.
@@Jonthegreat18 Iruka is 22 at the start of part 1 so he was 10 when the 9 tails attacked. You can say that he knows what a parents love is like but he equally knows what it’s like to be without it as well. You can say it’s closer to a Sasuke situation than Naruto’s but plenty of correlations are made between them two as well. The comparison being made between Iruka and Naruto is the acting out for attention when deprived of parental attention. As for hashirama assuming we’re referencing the same thing remember what Tsunade says about mitotic regeneration. There are a finite amount of times a body can create new cells and so every time someone regens or is being healed they are shortening their lifespan
@@Jonthegreat18the fuck are you talking about lol
I love the parallels between Naruto vs Pain and Sasuke vs Itachi here. Both are given a great power to defeat the villain, a power which only happens because of the death of a person close to them, someone whom both would trade that power back in a heartbeat to get who was lost back. Both Naruto and Sasuke have a moment where they lose control and turn into an 8 headed/tailed monster but they are saved by a loved one and the power is resealed. Sasuke vs Itachi is Sasuke discovering an evil man is actually truly good and Naruto vs Pain is Naruto having to explain to a man who purports to be good why what he is doing is actually evil
Nagato is also an Uzumaki (Naruto’s “brother”)
Pain arc didn’t close well , as far as I’m concerned, the people were realive which throw all the unexpected things away that had happened during the arc. It didn’t like to the fandom and it is one the most discussed things in the fandom. 8 out of 10.
@@luisangelrosariovelez5471 man all this prejudice towards masters of the six paths actually using their powers in personally justifiable ways…
Back when they still used the six paths in ways that don’t have all the usual Ūchíhà Eyes being used by other complex yet to be fully explored psychological issues related to how their “heart” reflects trauma I suppose? I mean cool changing eyeball visual designs does Look Cooler than anything like a Hollow in bleach having its hole get filled in again or something… dunno why I’m thinking of the Ulquiorra fight ending scene though I guess that’s just more for growth of your female deuteragonist… though the drama there is so tasty that it overshadows the impact that the other characters get and it almost makes it feel like Aî-sán’s choices after could’ve been made more dramatic psychologically but then it wouldn’t be as dramatic as how some of it goes down… man Yâmà-jí is a boss there… man talking bleach no spoilers is difficult to make the point without saying too much…
But I feel like she already did bleach didn’t she? I know she did DragonBall but I dunno if she did Z or Super or whatever GT non anime may exist probably only in Japan or weird fan projects…
Nevermindit…
But My favourite part about the Pain fight which is RARELY talked about is how he’s literally fighting the man that inspired the writing of a character named Nárūtō which his own father felt inspired to borrow this name which I guess is almost like a joke nickname alluding to Nágàtō which… I know there’s a whole episode of a few where we see that scenes from the book and it’s writing but I forget where they’re placed…
But man the issues you reach when Naming a character after something to continue motivating a child that Literally Creates that child accidentally through his student’s child being given the actual name…
& the weight there is how some of this makes sense because of later reveals but also some of the weight of a “Master of the Six Paths” idea is kinda destroyed by later revelations around the eyes and where they come from… not even bringing up all the theories of how Nárūtō will get the Rinnégán (and all the lame what ifs that are usually just fan fic where they rarely even explore the character much unless it’s stuff where you can tell they need to try doing fan theories but ways that often don’t work… been a while since I heard one that doesn’t sound written by bad A.I. you know?
But writing magical eyeball powers is complicated…
Though maybe the will of the eyes to have additional clone bodies & Nágàtō not simply using prétà path or whatever the chákrà/life-sucking ability which SHOULD be able to fully heal himself whenever he feels like it unless there’s something More Complex on the cost of the technique he uses as a kid? Which I guess then cripples him or something…
Instead of just wrecking and killing he could’ve just gone to chat with the hōkágé and whe probably could’ve healed him with just a few Mini-Kátsūyū clones…. Or I guess they’re not clones since they’re all the same one Lady Kátsūyū… man my dialogue is getting me banned from shīkkôtsū forest twitter… do excuse…
@@kluckyd that's a spoiler
@@deffydubs A spoiler of what
idk if you've already seen the episode for Asuma's funeral, i think its 81, i can be wrong, but you must. its mostly anime original and it was done so beautifully and the cinematography is incredible.
Top 3 episodes of Naruto imo
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i was just going to mention that too. the anime scene with shikamaru and his dad after Asuma's death is soo good! Ugh I cry every time.
Commenting cuz this was the first thing that popped in my head. The anime ver of this arc really elevated the material
I 2nd this
I think Pains 'redemption' was kinda like Darth Vaders, it wasnt necessary for the world to know, just the one person to carry on the legacy.
When was darh vader redeemed?
I just think that the mass resurrection was a coward move from Kishimoto. If he didn't want so many ppl to die then just don't kill them, what Nagato did removes all the consequences from that arc.
Well, the village was still destroyed. And that was the connection filler between that and the Five Kage Summit.
@@Moody.Smiruaiin return of the Jedi?
@@Moody.Smiruai On death... thats the entire reason there is a anikin force ghost cause he was redeemed on death.
Naruto vs Pain was probably the highlight of the whole series for me. Because at the end Naruto got something he was craving for his whole life.
I will die on the hill of the series should have ended after the pain arc. It's an iconic arc and Naruto's central themes have been answered.
Sure you have to rework the sasuke part of the story in an epologue; but that's about it. Everything else makes sense ending wise.
@@Weaponator18it would never make sense, the story is so largely built around him & sasuke
@@Weaponator18 y'all are tripping and exagerrating. Yes the Pain arc is the best one in the series, but that's not an argument for ending the series. NOTHING would have made sense if the story ended there.
@@Weaponator18 Totally agree. A lot of the stuff that comes after this arc ends up undercutting the core themes and ideas of early Naruto.
@@Weaponator18I completely agree with you. People can be mad all they want but it's true. We got some good stuff after this but we also got so much trash it wasn't worth it lol
The only thing that needed to be solved after this was the Naruto x Sasuke plot and the Madara stuff and all that could have been combined and completed in 1 more arc. Instead of having Sasuke go on the idiotic "nOw i wAnT tO bEcOmE hOkAGe" idea, the author could have come up with something else, combine it with the Madara revenge stuff and end it there in 1 arc.
This is where the meme of the "talk no jutsu" came from.
I'd argue this is the place where Talk no jutsu worked the best. It become ridiculous with obito
@@xandex69 Why? Nagato/Obito are clear parallels of Naruto so, I fail to see the issue here.
It's clearly shown that they're fundamentally different from people like Hidan/Danzo etc.
@@waleedabbas4996 got too old. obito is horribly written
@@xandex69 Regardless of how well it worked this _is_ where talk no justu came from.
@@GhostEmblem dnc
Naruto's heritage was purposely hidden because The 4th Hokage is a hero in the leaf but he was one of the most feared and hated men in the Shinobi world because of his war feats. Naruto was given his mother's maiden name to protect him from his father's enemies and His status as a Jinchuuriki was supposed to be classified info to protect him from Discrimination but Danzo leaked the info.
Interesting, never heard all that
When did Danzo leak it though? Naruto was pretty darn young when the village was ostracizing him.
So, that still brings up why didn't the 3rd step in at some point, be a leader, and lecture the village?
@jambobrenn8171 Danzo leaked it pretty early because he figured It would unify the village by focusing their hate in one direction while simultaneously helping to further Stigmatize the Uchiha because of Kurama's History with Madara. Lord 3rd really had a soft spot for Danzo that none of us understand😂 Danzo has literally put out an assassination order on The 3rd amongst so much other foul stuff but he was never branded a traitor or even Disciplined by the 3rd. I'm completely convinced that Sarutobi's Passive approach was his BIGGEST weakness as a Leader. The Manga almost wouldn't have a story to tell if he was competent😂
It 100% wasn't planned
Kishimoto was throwing ideas at the wall and natuto happened to stick so he needed to flesh out the story as he wrote it
Deidara didn't train his eye to become immune to the sharingan, otherwise everyone would do it, he just trained it to deactivate genjutsu at will, but in order to do that he needs to know he's under a genjutsu, otherwise he won't know when to use it
Still makes no sense, chiyo and jiraya already tell us that's impossible. Idk why bro randomly had that plot hole power...
@@LazarTheMasterDidn’t Jiraiya teach Naruto in a flashback how to break genjutsu during that same arc? Also just because characters say stuff doesn’t mean it’s always exposition.
@@AVJHalonen Yeah and then naruto says "what if I can't" and he says then you're cooked. We've never seen anyone in the show do it and are repeatedly shown that you need someone else to wake you up from it so...
Shikamaru being the one to get Naruto out of his slump is my favourite moment in the entire series. I love how it is developed organically. We get to see Shikamaru learn that lesson for himself when Asuma dies; which is why it's so powerful when he imparts that wisdom on Naruto. It's incredible writing.
I actually think Nagato's choice at the end made sense from his character. It wasn't that he didn't want to hope for a better future. It was just that he simply couldn't anymore. Then, when he tried to convince another of Jiraya's students of his cause and the cynical line of thinking that he himself held, he was not only met by resolve from Naruto to keep believing in a greater future for humanity, even after having bore witness to the destruction of most of his village and death of his comrades, but also was reminded of his friend from long ago with the same idealism and the hope that Naruto had. This didn't mean, however, that he could just change back to that optimistic young adult he had been at one point, but when faced with death regardless of what he was going to do after Naruto beat him, he chose not to stick to his guns and give that hope a chance in the form of Naruto. He died a cynic, but one who right at the end chose hope because he didn't have anything to lose by doing so.
I love how kakashi actually helped shikamaru instead of lecturing him like sasuke. shows some of his development
Shikamaru was a very different case though
@@vojtechtesar5767I mean, considering he had no real way of beating Kakuzu, I'd say Tsunade was not exactly wrong in trying to stop him.
Without Kakashi, Shikamaru's plan would have failed. The diamond armor would have stopped any attempt to get his blood. And even if he got the blood, that doesn't defeat Kakuzu.
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Kakashi deciding to help Shikamaru and go with was an important growth for him. Shikamaru was gonna go regardless. I love Shikamaru, but the idea that he was totally in control and wasn't at least a bit rash is not true. He handled Hidan fine. Without Kakashi and Naruto, Kakuzu kills them all while only losing MAYBE one heart
Sasuke DESERVED the lecture , shikamaru did not. It’s not about kakashi developing
@@mookiestewart3776 regardless of that being true I do think after lecturing Sasuke and his immediate departure from the village made Kakashi give it a long thunk, which I imagine probably colored the way he thought about what Shikamaru was going to do even if he wasn't due for a scolding
It isn’t a subtle message that the Cycle of Hatred destroys peace. I love that Naruto realizes that the only way to undo it is to let the anger for your enemy go, and realize their humanity and the pain they have as well. No one lacks pain, but the answer is never to give into it.
Nagato was the one who inspired Jiraiya to write what the book would be about. Jiraiya named the main character in the book Naruto who would do exactly what Nagato said he was going to do. Nagato used to love the book too. What changed Nagato's mind was that the person who's name was in the book is now standing right in front of him continuing to pursue the dream he once had (as though Jiraiya knew it would be Naruto who would change the world and not Nagato). Not sure if this was mentioned in the Manga but in the Anime Naruto stated if he changed the way he is, then he will no longer be the Naruto in the book and the book will then have a different ending. So he will continue to follow the way Jiraiya wrote the book so that the meaning won't change. Nagato was reminded of what he once lost.
Also, I think in the anime it was framed as if the quote from the book were Nagato’s exact words that he said to Jiraiya. So I always took that as hearing his own words being said back to him was the tipping point…
i like the parallel of how both itachi and nagato were changed by war, nagato wanting to make everone feel the pain of war, while itachi using any means necessary to avoid inflicting that pain on others.
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As a child, the mass resurrection was such a relief. Having all those people die AND seeing Konoha destroyed was something I was not prepared for, so Naruto convincing Pain to "do the right thing" was honestly what I needed.
As an adult, it definitely leaves a slight bitter taste in the mouth. The entirety of Pain is still such an amazing theme to tackle but wiping your narrative hands clean and then quickly moving on definitely feels like a lurch.
Thankfully, I don't think there are any other instances where this happens (unless my memory is failing me)
And ironically, the character having the stupidest cause of death was almost the only one people cared about.
Don't forget how beautiful the scene with his dad was! Helping Shikamaru understand that he had to grieve and let his emotions out really hit me!
i think the one scene with them playing shogi is anime only
Yeah that whole episode is anime only, if she's only doing the manga then she hasn't seen it
she missed it most likely I fear 💔💔
One of the best anime-only episodes, if not THE best
That is not in the manga. So she wouldn’t have seen this scene
It's up to that Patreon member who sends her anime scenes to decide if it's worth watching. I guess he skipped it.
Overall the biggest foreshadowing I saw in the manga about Itachi was during the bell test when Sasuke talk to Sakura about him and said "those tears". It's a foreshadowing about him seeing Itachi cried during this night
One thing I LOVED in the Naruto and Nagato final scene was when Naruto, after hearing Nagato's story, he still can't found it in him to forgive Nagato. All the rage and pain doesn't just go away. Yet, he choses to trust his master's words, believe in his vision and gains a lot of strength from Jiraya's belief in him. He choses to hold true to his values and stand strong besides his feelings for Nagato and besides his pain. That made the scene more relatable and much more powerful.
On another point, I'm not the biggest fan of the resurrection either. That said, even though Kakashi's death was a great way to go, I was glad that we didn't lose him. Plus, he story isn't finished yet and he will play a vital role later on.
Finally, have you considered the idea to stretch this a little bit more and maybe do an episode per arc? This way you can actually get to more detail about its individual arc. I don't think you really need to force 3 separate arcs in one video, especially when there's so much going on. I mean, Kakazu and Hidan could be a video on its own, then Jiraya vs Pain and Sasuke vs Itachi another video, and finally the Naruto vs Pain as a video on its own.
P.S.: The scene where Naruto falls in Kakashi's shoulder was SO wholesome!!! GOD!! Why do I love this shit so much???
tbf I think Naruto ultimately forgave Nagato, cause it would be weird to call him his sibling disciple and not forgive him. I think he has alot of respect for Nagato cause he spoke to him like an old friend during when he was reanimated.
@@thetele8646 Yes of course, I don't disagree. I'm just speaking about what he felt at that moment specifically.
No words for our girl Hinata and her confession is kinda crazy tho.
Naruto ignored it first 😂
@jackie1523 I'm dieing
"Alot happens here" Kinda give me "oh no... anyway" meme vibes lol.
I don't think she really like Hinata as a character so that's why she focuses more on pain. But tbh that was a best moment from hina, she doesn't even mention her at all, maybe she will in the next vid..?
But if she doesn't like her and that's why she didn't mention it, that's kinda unfair of her, but then oh well can't be helped, she did also say Hinata annoyed her so there is that lol.
jackie1523 tbf he did thank her in war arc.
Because that hinata scene was only fleshed up in the anime, in the manga it takes like one page of the story.
"I would prefer shaking, rather than a heel turn." Based Merphy with the wrestling terminology
The music in Naruto is top tier making some scenes more impactful
You are right! Minato is definitely not a character who made the right decision for his son.
There's more added to this in the future which i think you'll love.
And the ending of pain arc too, like you said works beautifully thematically while having problems in application.
I see you have finally discovered Shikamaru the GOAT 🐐
You NEED to watch episode 81 of Shippuden, is probably the best cinematography and direction of any episode of the show
You're not alone in hating the resurrection. That's a pretty widely held sentiment in the wider anime community and is also part of the most common criticism of Naruto in general (Naruto's talk no jutsu).
god, i love watching these videos as you go through naruto. i read it week to week as it was coming out and 2 more time after it finish, but watching someone else enjoy it for the first time is like reading it the first time for me all over again
I can totally see how the conclusion didn't work for you. I reread it to see if I felt differently, but I still like it personally. Here's why.
To me, it still makes more sense than Granny Chiyo's sacrifice. Hers is good, but it almost just doesn't make sense as a technique she would have to me? Whereas with Nagato, the Rinnegan is foreshadowed by bringing back Pains to basically break all the rules. Now, you may not like that angle which is honestly fair - I personally read a lot of fiction with disgustingly OP conceptual powers so it doesn't bother me. Regardless, Nagato's ending doesn't feel like a cop out to me because I can't help but think of the world where Nagato never fell to despair. He alone could easily beat most of the Akatsuki, and it's left ambiguous whether he could carry out the Rinne Rebirth without dying if he wasn't exhausted (for Yahiko's sake I'm guessing he didn't know it at the time or something). There's so much good someone like him could do, perhaps averting the Nine Tails attack or saving countless deaths, perhaps bringing the world together... but because he falls to despair the best he can do with godlike power is erase a single of his many mistakes.
He also influences Naruto a fair bit, so I have a lot of Nagato bias. His change is abrupt, but doesn't feel like a heel-turn to me personally because his sharp responses to Naruto during the battle feel like he's *already* questioning his path. If he was sure he was right I don't think he'd blab so much and try to convince the kid. I think he really wants a reason to believe, deep down, right from the start. It's like you said, the world has taught him that peace doesn't exist. I'm sure he feels guilty as a failed child of prophecy, but Naruto proves that even if he went astray, that doesn't mean Jiraiya's ideal is a farce. Last bit of yapping on my part, but idealism that might be lunacy in our world simply isn't in Shonen. Naruto is factually stronger than the remainder of his village, or at least better suited for this fight, and he *is* strong enough to just tank weaker opponent's hatred and figure out a solution in a way no real-world human can. I tend to really buy into those types of premises, hence why I think it works for me.
I hated how Naruto doesnt even address Hinatas feeling after the whole ordeal when she had sacrificed herself for him saying that she loved him
Dang, you're right, another thing handled poorly here haha
(I don't hate the resurrection as much as everyone else does, but I _hate_ the "reason" Minato gives Naruto. Add the lack of Hinata respect to that!)
She confessed and was "killed" literally two seconds after in the manga, Naruto probably did not have the time to process it, maybe even forgot it as he was overtaken by rage.
@@calliopeshif7581remember the bridge arc naruto forgets everything after he enters the 9 tails and that was only like 4 or so tails so I’d imagine all 9 he’d probably just forgot
@@jordanl5436 His transformation was so powerfull that even Kishimoto forgot. Kinda like Daenerys :)
@@dadandadandan you misunderstood...no one is bothered he didn't answer her in the moment, in fact her "death" being the reason he loses himself to the 9-tailed is actually a great moment that shows that he does care about her.
The issue people have lies in the fact that Naruto seemingly forgot all about it for multiple arcs and didn't address it again until near the end of the story.
And I can't even blame Naruto for this...this kind of apathy is so uncharacteristic for him and so obviously just there to make sure the story doesn't accidently defy the generic shonen writing trope (can't allow ships to sail until the very VERY end) that it actively pulls me out of the story, in other words my annoyance with this (and most issues I have with the story in general) is purely meta and directed towards the author.
We all knew that this carrot will dangle in front of us for the rest of the story, but then Kishimoto decided to give us one very tiny bite way too early and then in "correcting his mistake" he took it away and stored it in a drawer for a many years...like we're not even allowed to see the carrot anymore until right before we finally get to have it.
I actually feel bad for Hinata AND Naruto for being cursed to be written like that.
Some babbling:
1. Hidan's power is such a mystery that there a theory that say Hidan might have born with immortality and became psychopath due to living in such a cruel world. He give meaning behind his mu*d** by stating he is worshipping Jashin.
I personally love this mystery.
2. In previous video you said you liked Kabuto(guy with glasses) and now you forgot his name, wow. I hope you will remember his name next time 😅
3. Deidara vs Sasuke is such a brilliant mind game of Sasuke and even deidara.
3. Even thou Naruto is about breaking the chains of fate but Jiraiya accepting his fate is build complexity of the theme. And I remember your first thought on Jiraiya and how you didn't like him and here you are
4. When naruto uses Sage mode his eye forms "-" shape and fox has "|" but when Naruto meets Nagata he has "+" meaning now even the Fox is allowing Naruto to use his power to take down pain
5. You missed the part were Tobi hits his puberty, Sadly Deidara isn't here to see that.
You'll get a lot more explanation about the fox spirit getting into Naruto in a bit, don't worry
Even then, it really doesn't make what happened ok. Not faulting Naruto's parents, they did what they had to, and thought their son would be in good hands.
Pain ubruptly switching perspectives was just a stepping point for the abysmal "he's the coolest guy" line.
I cringe just thinking about it...
Both are great👍
It's a spot on observation about the Deidara Vs Sasuke fight. It's one of my favorite fights and they were kinda evenly matched. The only difference was, as you said, that Sasuke was able to remain calm, and Deidara freaked out. If Deidara had the mental strength Sasuke had at this point, he might've actually be able to take Sasuke out.
Because "He remained calm"? Hell, no. Kishimoto came up with a bullshit power for the Sharingan that allowed it to see chakra through skin... Basically a far superior version of what the Byakugan was established to do (until then, it was common knowledge as the superior Kekkei Genkai).
Not to mention the less-than-a-split-of-a-second summoning jutsu that allowed Sasuke to escape from the final explosion.
Naw sasuke said he had back up plans and was fighting for info and not to kill, he was superior in basically every way.. Not to mention it wasn't even a straight 1v1.. Maybe it would have been a fight if sasuke doesn't just straight counter his jutsu with his lighting.
Naw sasuke said he had back up plans and was fighting for info and not to kill, he was superior in basically every way.. Not to mention it wasn't even a straight 1v1.. Maybe it would have been a fight if sasuke doesn't just straight counter his jutsu with his lighting.
@@LightningRaven42anonime account you guys must be a bot or something😂
@@LazarTheMasteranonime account you guys must be a bot or something😂
Itachi vs sasuke might be one of my favorites anime fight. Since it shows so many emotions and it shows that pain grief an vengeance doesn’t heal anything. The only thing that heals you is love the way itachi loved sasuke. I feel like itachi love really changed him it was truly peak character development
It also introduces bluetooth to the world of Naruto.
Until then, nobody could transfer power with a touch.
It also started the major ramp up in power level for the series and the significant reduction in the clever use of Jutsus and hand signs.
Oh, it was also around the time when the Sharingan and all the eye-related powers began gaining prominence, which as annoying at best. At worst it actually offered major retcons for the canon of the story. By that I mean the Byakugan is introduced the superior bloodline technique and the Sharingan was derived from that, to somehow the Sharingan being the strongest and the first (just to give even more free power to Sasuke).
I was around back when, during the publication of Itachi vs. Sasuke. Pretty much the vast majority of readers hated the whole thing. Worse, Kishimoto cut away from Jirayia vs. Pain to focus on that lame ass fight.
@@LightningRaven42This comment just screams bias uchiha hater lmao. Calling sasuke vs itachi a "lame ass fight" is so crazy it invalidates literally any opinion you can give on this show ever. The hyuga or their doujutsu were never superior in any way and the show strayed away from tactical fighting when naruto started spitting out tailed beast bombs, it ain't got nothing to do with that fight. 💀
@@LazarTheMaster Dude. I was fucking there. Very few liked that fight. The ending was even more poorly received.
@@LightningRaven42 bro saying "I was there" like that shit happened outside your house and all of us just heard stories about it... We all watched the same show bro, and I have in my 15 years of following this show never in my life heard anyone hate this fight, it's not an opinion you can probably google some polls right now. Your bias is very apparent here and in all your other comments so I'll just guess you spent your time in echochambers with similar opinions...
@@LazarTheMaster I didn't even bothered to watch that fight on the anime. I bounced well before that. In fact, the anime was already getting major flack due its lack of animation quality, too many fillers and poor adaptation of the source material.
Shit, I will never forget the adaptation of Pain's arc with that goofy loony tunes animation.
Not my fault you were a little kid back then experiencing your first anime.
I was a teen back then and even I realized how bad things became through the course of Naruto Shippuden.
Abandoned characters, DBZ fights, major retcons of the lore, constant breaks of its own established rules, many plot contrivances.
Shit, Kishimoto himself already mentioned in interviews that he was making things up as it went along, because they were "Cool".
I'm so happy that you are reading the Naruto manga ! It's definitely one of my favorite animes !
To complain I wish she handled reading Naruto the same as Op taking time to learn names etc
Your complete engagement with series even during moments you don’t enjoy the sessions made is clear and very enjoyable to wstch
There’s an argument I’ve seen in favor of the mass resurrection: hear me out.
Naruto could have killed pein. And yeah, I know, cycle of hatred, but realistically he could have killed anyone who would come afterward.
The mass resurrection only happened because Naruto chose a path of peace and kept true to his ninja way that he’s had since zabuza’s death.
So many things are pushing him in the direction of vengeance sasuke took. He had the closest thing to family he had taken from him, his home was destroyed, he has a being inside him literally made of malice and power, the second he truly wanted to hurt someone, and give himself over to that, he could, and when hinata was taken out, he nearly did, and was pulled back from the brink by his dad. But he didn’t, he chose the man who he wanted to be, arguably the most significant decision he makes in the series (or that an ordinary individual could make in their lives), made the decision only he would, and is rewarded with a miracle.
Yep, if naruto took vengeance, no mass resurrection would of happened
I just love watching you talk about Naruto so much!!!😍😍😍 Thank you for another video.^^
Unironically one of my favorite things about these videos is hearing how Merphy pronounce the names about things
"This guy with glasses, I can't remember his name"
LMFAO the disrespect to one of my favorites xD
Same! Kabuto is one of my favorites in Naruto as well, although much of my love comes from the fighting videogames as well tbh. But our boy gets often overlooked and I won't have the Kabuto disrespect from Merphy lol
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Another amazing thing to note, is that is is heavily implied that Itachi was Jiraiya's contact inside the Akatsuki, giving him the intel he needed.
The story of how Naruto got the Nine Tails will be shown later.
Pretty sure that's just a common fanfic device, I don't recall anything from the actual series implying that.
@@Verebazs Might be. Saying that is was *heavily* implied was dumb. Considering No one else has insider intel other than the actual members, Itachi is the only one with the history and intention to be a legit source of information.
I cant think of a single scene that implies Itachi was Jiraiya's contact
Growing up, watching the Pain arc after school with my friends was peak life. I’m so glad you get to experience it now murph❤
For your questions regarding Minato, I don't think we're supposed to get complete closure at this point. Naruto gets some because he finally understands that he always had the parental love he wanted, but as the readers, we're supposed to see that even a man like the fourth hokage isn't free of the blemishes of shinobi world.
I don't know that the intent was for us to see the Fourth Hokage as flawed. I hate that scene and the reason Minato provides, but I don't know that it was supposed to be seen as a toxic way of thinking about a child. Even though that's how it came across to me. Projecting expectations on a kid like that, and placing that much responsibility because "It's fine, they can handle it, they're DEFINITELY going to be great one day - they better be, anyway" is a bad lesson to take away.
@@calliopeshif7581 Yes, Minato is portrayed throughout the rest of the series as being pratically flawless, and his rare shortcomings are treated as gags and forgotten immediately.
11:30 To be fair, it's not just "some character". The Akatsuki are pretty much some of the strongest characters in this world. If anything, this is just another thing to indicate why he was a member of the Akatsuki. He was so skilled/strong, he found a way to counter the Sharingan.
i’ve always been lookin for a book where the protagonists have the same philosophy as Pain
Not a book content creator actually making me appreciate Naruto. I absolutely agree with the comments on the sadness of their lives and taking time to explore that. It is so touching.
In my mind (a mind that hasn't watched or read Naruto in a few years) Nagato has always been fully aware ot the pain and suffering that he's personally casting on the world. I think he was cull conscious of the atrocity of what he was doing but that in his mind the only way to get to peace was everyone emphatyzing by enduring the same pain. He literally decided to embody the pain that could connect people and bring understanding (thus bringing peace) and force people to cooperate under the threat of mass distruction at the hands of the ten tails, essentially giving every country in the continent nukes to force a state of cold peace.
He never had to go thru a moment of reflection and desperation for the crimes he committed because he lived his whole life well aware of those crimes and kept going because he though it was the right thing to do.
But yeah, the undo button was not good, at the very least he couldn't bring Jiraya back :D
I agree with your take. It’s pretty evident imo he knew and understood what he was doing was causing such pain but had the will to continue to create his version of peace.
I didn’t need a nagato redemption arc personally. Even though people don’t like the resurrection I did and imo it made more sense to go that route. Just because characters don’t stay dead doesn’t mean the impact of the arc and the deaths wasn’t real. Pain did show the village “pain”, it changed them, it changed naruto, it led directly into what happened in the 5 kage summit and then the war. Pain imo did help to create peace both with showing them his pain and in his beliefs in naruto bringing everyone back.
@@javiercano9461 The problem is a narrative one and it's the fact that the pain is cut short. Jiraya's death hits hard but the pain lingers for a long time, you grieve for him and you grieve with Naruto. The whole ass village being resurrected is like a grievious wound being completely healed with magic ten minutes later, your suffering was short and there are no lasting consequences.
I would be ok with, say, half the village and most of the important characters being revived, but when every single victim is revived the spectator feels robbed.
That really doesn’t make sense. The entire arc was grief. Starting from jiraiya until Naruto met with nagato it was grief. How is that not enough? At least for me it was. I felt hate for a character who took so much. I felt grief for characters and a village that meant so much to me. By the end I really didn’t need more. That entire arc was just one gut punch after another, I was emotionally spent. I don’t see the impact of having more compared to the benefit of nagato entrusting his dream to Naruto and atoning for at least a bit of his actions.
Also the entire village wasn’t wiped out. A bunch were evacuated prior and during pains assault and tsunade almost died to save people with katsuyu so this idea that the entire village was just revived is a slap in the face to her efforts. Sure a lot of people died but it wasn’t the entire village.
If you feel robbed then that’s a difference of opinion. To me pain was an emotional roller coaster. Ending it on the highest of notes with Naruto’s will breaking through even after he questioned it and almost gave up was a beautiful ending. It added more weight to his celebration after. The village knew and appreciated what he did for them, not just saving people but embracing the villain to the point that led to their resurrection.
@@javiercano9461 The thing is that it feels bad to have your emotions cheated out of you.
If Nagato had only ressed about half of the people he killed (not the entire village, good point) it would've been best imo but i would've accepted the scenario better if Pain never had the village to raze. A lot of people hate this because it feels like getting robbed of the emotions, it feels like Kishimoto is squeezing the story for maximum shock and grief but also doesn't wanna lose it's main village with most of it's side characters (even tho, considering how relevant many of those side characters end up being, i would've been ok with 3-4 dying in this fight).
Doesn't matter how you do it once you bring resurrection into a story it will either feel like cheap shock and grief or it will used so often (DBZ and One Piece to a lesser extent) to the point death doesn't matter anymore.
I guess that’s just a matter of disagreement. I never once felt cheated out of my emotions. It was the opposite for me. I get if kishimoto did it all the time but considering this was the rinnegan and how OP it is made sense it had that impact both in destruction and creation. To me it was a full circle moment from having all this hate for a character and grief for death to having hope and believing in Naruto. I personally think it would have been a worse turn out without the resurrection but again that’s something we see opposite
On itself the whole full revival of everyone that Pain killed is not a good way to have deaths negated, but knowing what comes next because of this set up about Pain and his powers makes it all the more worth it.
You’re not alone Merphy, the fandom hated this resurrection so much it coined the term “talk no jutsu”
It's the opposite. Kakashi was the most liked character in Naruto that if he had stayed dead the majority of the fandom was threatening to quit the manga and anime LOL.
I would argue that kakashi speaking with his father was necessary for his growth. And his story isn't over yet so it was also necessary for him to come back
@@jackie1523his story for sure wasn’t over considering that one other character
That's the thing, he shouldn't have died at all. his convo with his father could be delayed to the war@@jackie1523
I’m so glad your liking shikamaru he’s my favorite character SHIKAMARU ON TOP!
AHDJWJSUEUEHS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR 79 YEARS. FINALLY!
I love all your Naruto reviews so far! I haven't seen the show myself, but I know about it through my boyfriend. Your analysis has made me really excited to start watching. I probably wouldn't have been interested if I hadn't seen your reviews. It's been a while since I found a good story to get into, so it's great to know there are still awesome ones from years ago that I can enjoy for the first time.
"The one who gave him the eye." LOL
Many others have said this, and I'd like to also contribute to that by saying if you haven't watched it yet, do watch the sequence between Shikamaru and his dad. The Sasuke vs Itachi fight still hits so hard, and Pain making Naruto almost break was such a cool moment to watch when it aired. Your nitpicks are..... understandable imo. Great video, and day 66 of recommending Bleach
3rd Hokage got so much explaining to do letting the 4th's son live in poverty and be public enemy #1
Keeping his identity secret is a better thing. Danzo leaked naruto's identity unbeknownst to Hiruzen and he forbid people to not say about Naruto. Compared to Onoki, Byakuren and Rasa, Hiruzen is way better.
i'm with you when it comes to the reveal of Naruto's dad. my friend said it was easier to foresee in the anime due to the color of the hair. in the manga i presumed the 4th hokage's hair was white, not blonde like Naruto's hair.
Naruto and Nagato are thinking in the same way, but came to different answers. One of them lived a life that showed him that its possible,
and one had lived a life that made him fear and regretfully conclude that its probably impossible, but he didn't give up completely and he
held on to that hope that maybe it can be possible, deep inside of him subconsciously and when Naruto talks to him about that, he awoke that,
because he wanted anything to believe it was true. He wants to believe in something, but he`s not been given any evidence to,
so when Naruto does, he grasps it with both hands, he needs substance, he cant blindly grasp for straws, but Naruto is substantial enough,
its not him changing his world believes, its him finding reason to believe.
I always took it as Nagato was logically correct about the cycle of war, but was moved to see that Naruto would continue to try in the face of it. He saw some value in the act of working to improve the world itself despite how grim the outcomes may be.
I still think it's kind of dumb that this convinces Nagato, but whatever.
I started watching Naruto and OP when i was a little kid in the 2000s they are my favorite mangas of all time OP is my favorite and Naruto second but when i was reading both at the same time there were times were I liked naruto more than OP and am just happy that is still not forgotten and seeing new people reading it :) i have both naruto and OP tattoos lol anyways wanted to say that i been enjoying this vids a lot and think you do an awesome job breaking it down keep up the good work
Kakashi has always been one of favorites, if not my favorite, anime / manga characters. He initially comes off as the "chill badass" character, but you quickly realize, no, this poor man is just exhausted but is somehow continuing to push himself forward, despite the fact that he emotionally has almost nothing left in the tank. His fights are often the most entertaining in the series and are always written in a way that's true to his character.
Regarding the part about Minato sealing the Nine Tails in Naruto and why that made sense as the choice for Minato to make... it will make more sense later. But for now, that's spoilers. :)
For the part of why he was raised the way he was, that's the classic human condition and how we tend to treat people we're scared of. Naruto's saving the town as a baby was the equivalent of having a nuclear bomb implanted in him instead of having it go off. But now he's the kid walking around like a ticking time bomb -- and most people see him as a threat and he reminds them of all their friends / family that died the last time the Nine Tails attacked. That said... unfortunately I've always felt the one big gap in Naruto's story is why a few of the higher ups more in-the-know didn't do a better job of raising Naruto, youl would think they'd feel like they owed that to Minato. Sure, someone got him an apartment and made sure he had groceries delivered, but there's no good answer as to why so many adults left him devoid of love.
And ooooh boy I knew you were not going to like how the Pain arc ended lol. I agree that the resurrection of Gaara was an example of the trope being done right and the end of the Pain arc is the polar opposite. Naruto is one of my favorite stories of all time... but it absolutely has its flaws. That's okay, though -- it makes the series fitting for its titular character. ;)
I think it was necessary for kakashi's growth to talk with his father, plus his story isn't over yet so it was also needed for him to come back
Regarding your note on the Minato thing: Nothing justifies the whole "I knew you could handle it because you were my son." There's more later about the sealing and Minato having to make a decision in the moment, but I hate the reinforcement of the tendency of a lot of parents to project their capabilities and unfulfilled goals onto their kids. I get that Minato was in a "rock-or-hard-place" position, but don't pull some BS about "I knew you could take it."
I really like your analysis and totally agree about Kakashi, he's a favorite of mine. I feel your last statement so much. Naruto is one of my favorite anime/manga and one I got the deepest into. Unfortunately it does have its flaws and having come back to it years later its a shame how obvious some of the issues are now. But it still has a special place in my heart and I'm really glad people like Merphy are still able to enjoy and appreciate this series for what it offers. Even in an age where it can debated that so many new anime are doing and have done the same thing but better. Naruto was one of the OG big 3. While One Piece is still ongoing and fandom is stronger than ever, and the final arcs of Bleach finally getting anime adaptation that revamped interest in the series, and Naruto might have Boruto as its successor sometimes it feels like people overlook the Naruto series nowadays. I had gotten a lot of "Cool but (insert new anime) is Naruto but better" sentiments from newer anime fans for a while. So its nice to see Merphy coming in fresh and finding greatness in Naruto.
@@calliopeshif7581I had the impression that Minato’s message was more in the nature of a pep talk more than any real justification for implanting the nine tails.
@@richdurbin6146 I guess, but still feels frustrating to me. As someone whose parent actually did protect expectations onto them, it just gets under my skin.
But whatever, it still doesn't bother me nearly as much as all the perv gags with people we're supposed to look up to, lol
"It feels like the sharigan is the most powerful thing in this series" yup, the sharingan does whatever magical abilities that the author/plot want it to do. In the beginning the sharingan had a defined rule set; it allowed the user to copy any ninjutsu, and it allowed the user to use genjutsu on an unrivaled level. But it doesn't take long before the sharingan is just a plot device to provide whatever magical abilities the author/plot want/need; and chakra-mechs, lots of really big chakra-mechs.
It is worth to mention that in those arcs that you have just read we meet 2 other people descending from surivivors of Clan Uzumaki
- Karin Uzumaki from team Taka (team Sasuke), with her uzumaki sealing techniques
- and Nagato Uzumaki himself, with his Uzumaki bloodline granting him massive amounts of chakra which enabled him to Spam all those large scale Abilities like Planetary Devastation, not to mention multiple revivals of paths of Pain during combat, all the way up to his final Mass Revival at cost of his single life
That's a spoiler at this point. It will be revealed by Tobi after the Konan fight
In Naruto basically if you have crimson red hair you are an Uzumaki lmao
@@waltwhite8126 Tayuya, Karui, Gaara, Sasori, etc. have red hair and neither of them are Uzumaki
Thanks for the review. Hope you enjoy the rest of the story
I feel very robbed Merphy you promised 1.5 hour video and we got half.
I love the video but it’s still sad.😢
It’s terrible day for rain.
The number of fakeout deaths in this arc is iconic lol
"you must know pain!"
me: "I feel nothing."
The only fake out death was Hinata. The other people actually died and later was brought back to life.
@@rauliggynashow9092 Dying and being brought to life right after is the same as fakeout death,
@@rauliggynashow9092 that's the SAME THING lol, a death that for all intents and purposes didn't actually happen.
@@Green-3c34y65vrbu Not the same. Narratively it might seem that way but resurrection is a lot worse than a fake out death.
Yeah. I honestly believe that Naruto's side characters carried shippuden more then naruto himself.
Their arc's are just WAY more interesting!!
We waited decades for Naruto to finish. We're patient.
We all have "I wish" moments with stories, but ultimately it's someone else's dream that we are enjoying. Not that it's a competition, but I'll take deus ex machina resurrections over "realistically" random deaths. ( Looks at GRRM) Plus a resurrection after a wizard ninja Atomic Bomb has historical echoes and hopes for living beyond atrocities.
Probably the best part of naruto. Good luck with the rest of the series!
The important piece you forgot was Hiruzen (3rd Hokage). He's one of the most hated characters for a reason. I personally love Naruto's mother and father though because they both realized and understood the consequences of sealing the ninetails and it tore them apart emotionally, but they also knew that no other child but theirs could handle it. (Sort of forcing them to make the best and worst choice for the right reason)
30:38 because his identity was kept hidden by the 3rd hokage because he thought revealing Naruto's identity would put his life at risk, to keep him safe from Minato's enemies
This is one of the reasons why people hate the 3rd hokage along with abandoning Naruto 😅
TL;DR, Konoha has terrible child protection services. Terrible.
I get what your saying about the resurrection thing. I myself am not a fan of the resurrection troupe either. But I see it like this if you live in a world where you have the power to resurrect people and you are evil and kill a bunch of people but change your ways it would be weirder if you are like "I can't believe I killed all those people" and not bring them back to life. Plus he can resurrect them and still feel guilt and shame for killing them. Which would have been nice to delve into but unfortunately we didn't get that.
Loved hearimg you gush and critique this part! This is one of my favorite sections of Naruto, so it's always fun seeing some one read it for the first time! I completely agree with all of your criticisms about the end of the Pain arc even if it still all worked for me personally. I also know a lot of people, including Naruto fans, also agree. Like you said, it required more time and set up to really work, and the redemption through death trope is just not very satisfying compared to the alternative.
My one small disappointment is you skipped over possibly my favorite scene in all of Naruto, Hinata coming to try and save him, openly declaring her love, and her death being the final straw that breaks him. Pain's speech afterwards! "Do you hate me now, Naruto?" Ugh, right into my veins!
This review makes me want to give this series a rewatch…and I’ve rewatched it at least a dozen times. Naruto isn’t perfect, but it is a great series and this might be its best segment
You need to keep Naruto and Sasuke’s perspective in mind at all times. Sasuke had parents and lost them, Naruto never had parents and then found out he had a dad. Naruto’s character growth from this afterwards seems very organic to me
My favorite part in all of Naruto happens in the pain arc, and its not one most even notice! When Konohamaru uses the Rasengan! and the fact that Naruto was the one to teach it to him! It shows that Naruto is also already preparing the next generation behind the scenes.
She just discovered talk talk no jutsu !
Yeah. Watch all the Naruto apologists scramble to come up with bullshit arguments to defend that atrocious plot point.
Devil Man was a far more balsy battle shounen and it was published in the 80s. Naruto didn't have the balls to follow through with one of the most narratively interesting choices it ever made with blowing up Konoha.
@@LightningRaven42wtf are you talking about. Talk no jutsu is what makes naruto unique
@@nozers Talk no Jutsu is just a meme way to say Lazy Writing and poorly written characters. There's nothing to be proud about.
Naruto Shippuden is a fucking mess. From characterization, to shoddy worldbuilding (this is an absolute fact), to major retcons. Not to mention the power creep that plagues the fights post-Sasuke vs Itachi that pretty much leaves behind the thing that make Naruto interesting the first place.
I get it Naruto is nostalgic for many people, it was also among my first anime ever. We shouldn't just let the nostalgia goggles and the lack of critical thinking of our early years cloud the fact that Naruto lost its quality like pretty much every other long-running shounen at the time.
@@LightningRaven42 thanks for telling me how it’s a mess bro really informative insults you got. I’ve watched over 150 anime not including other sorts of media. Naruto is not perfect but it’s still beautifully written for the most part. Seems like you fell for misconceptions or certain RUclipsrs changed your mind. You’re a sheep, it’s fine just don’t pretend like you’re smart. I just want to know what made you hate the series so much 😂 did your ex love it or something?
When I watched your Harry Potter videos years ago I didn't think I'd still love your content this long but your way of talking about things is nice
I'm very interested in Merphy's analysis for the next part of the story
Well… I didn’t expect it to end after that, but I’m happy to see that we’ve got a few more videos!! We’ve still got many war arcs to go through, and some of them are permanent deaths.
I think a lot of your nitpicks are valid. It really doesn't make sense that Naruto was ostracized to the extent that he was, given the fact that he was essentially a heroic martyr who saved the village. Hiruzen knew this as well, and certainly had the influence and resources to give Naruto a better childhood. I think there are a lot of things in Shippuuden that are inconsistent with earlier parts of the series; Kishimoto is not as good at the macro planning as Oda. But I do think that Naruto (the series) really shines in the small, quiet moments. I love the series for that
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Yep, if you analyze the series, Hiruzen was a piece of shit lmao.
He was ostracized because of the Nine Tails and how many people he killed. We literally see Mizuki saying in the first chapter, they hate you because of the monster inside you.
Hiruzen literally says in chapter 1 that he tried to convince the villagers otherwise. That Minato even wanted him to be seen as a hero
The villagers didn’t care which is how we end up with the Gag order in place to stop adults from telling the children
@@loganwendigo937 come on now, let's not pretend like hiruzen did everything he could
Naruto’s father being the 4th Hokage was first revealed during Jiraiya’s death scene. Before that it was hinted at causing years of fan theories and speculations on the level of One Piece YT mania (but on discussion boards back then). Def worth a rewatch/reread for foreshadowing of Naruto and Itachi’s plot lines.
So I understand your problem with the mass resurrection. When I consume Naruto especially after the pain arc, Naruto unveils what the real nemesis of the story is. Hate. While not perfect, Naruto was rewarded for no falling to the hate in his own heart. He was given a reward thematicly for using confronting the hatred and not just trying to beat it back. Talk no jutsu is common joke but it is about how we as people can come to real conflict resolution without breeding further animosity.
I totally agree with you about the resurrection. After Gaara lived, we had a couple hard hitting deaths in Asura and Jurya, and Itachi So it looks like the mangka has a good feel for the drama. Then he just erases the weight and cheapens any future sacrifice.
I like having Kakashi back because hes such a favorite, so I would have choosen for Nagato to pick a few people to save instead of just saving everyone. You'd get the consequences and keep the fan favorites. Win- win. Not a perfect solution, but maybe a little better.
To clarify a few things about Minato. (Minor spoilers)
- He needed to seal the Nine-Tails in someone from the village, otherwise Konoha would lose its jinchuriki, prompting attacks from other shinobi villages.
- If he killed the Nine-Tails, it would reincarnate.
- Only Uzumaki can handle the chakra of the Nine-Tails. Naruto, being half Uzumaki, only had half of it sealed within him.
- It was Danzo who leaked that Naruto is the jinchuriki. The reasons are convoluted, including sending the message that Konoha still controls Kurama, and also to subvert the trauma of the Nine-Tails incident and shift the blame and hatred to one place. This didn't entirely succeed with the Uchihas, but overall, it worked. However, he didn't leak that Naruto was the son of the Fourth Hokage because Minato was feared and hated by other villages due to slaughtering other shinobi in wars against Konoha. If they knew that Naruto was Minato's son, assassination attempts would be made.
No no, all of this comes later! This is all spoilers!
Naruto growing up. I think they expand on it way more later on. But the village views the Jinchuriki as the monster its self the thing that rampaged the village and killed comrades. That's why they treated Naruto like an outsider.
In regards to Pain, I think the point of him having lived a life making the choices he had made, he did what he did in hopes of creating a world where peace can be obtained. In that effort he did succeed Naruto is here. The pain inflicted if he can do anything it is restore the leaf to some semblance of its former self. I get wanting more, honestly you do get more story moving forward that paints more of a picture honestly. But I do enjoy the content here
everybody knew he was the 4th hokages son and he had the 9 tail fox in him. He trusted the 3rd hokage (old hokage at the start of the seires) to take care of naruto, but the 3rd kinda abandoned him. And a lot of the villagers hated him because they were scared of him and the 9 failed fox demon in him.
Eh, no, everyone knew about the Ninetails, but only a select few knew Naruto was Minato's son.
Jiraiya, despite his eccentricities and goofy nature was also an accomplished spymaster with a fairly large and widespread information network in the each of the 5 great shinobi nations. This was one of the reasons he traveled all over the world. Rather than something he thought up on the fly, this was most likely a method he had in his back pocket for a while.
31:00 Jinchurikis are treated in this way, you can basically say they(Jinchurikis) are discriminated, if you remember Gaara's abduction arc Kakashi mentioned how jinchurikis are treated in their respective villages.
Naruto pain arc is very profound in it's theme for hope vs pain, future vs past and it defined part of my life. I am little disappointed at how the whole series ended with redacted arc but I can understand how this came about as the answer to the pains question tho it feels like a cop out with the need for everyone to ally together against common enemy. Pain arc is just purely awesome
all valid criticisms , loved your analysis.
I’m excited to hear how she feels about the edo tensei
Also, the scene between Nagato and Naruto was what the spawned the term "Talk No Jutsu". Often used when talking about poorly written plot developments and contrived character behavior.
tbh that term is mostly just thrown around and used nonsensically to describe any character being even remotely kind to another character
@@natalimoina That's bound to happen. Lots of terms get thrown around in wrong circumstances that end up muddling their meaning.
What? That's good writing because it's perfectly in line with Naruto's character as a forgiving and hopeful person who always trys to reach an understanding with others. Everything made sense too because they were literally tied together by Jiraiya and had similar goals with different methods. Just because people don't like something doesn't make it bad writing when the characters are acting the way they're supposed to (which actually makes it well-written, they're behaving the way they are meant to).
Talk no Jutsu is a meme.
@@inkoctopui3787 This is in line with Naruto's character, sure. Doesn't mean the whole thing wasn't incredibly forced and contrived.
Talk No Jutsu only became a meme because the execution was terrible.
Naruto went downhill really fast after Jirayia vs. Pain. The retcons, power creep, plot conveniences, characterization, everything went off the rails and I still can't believe to this day there are people who watched it and non-ironically thought it was still good. Naruto's downward trend was notorious way back then with the fans at the time, before Naruto became a hit with a bunch of kids when they saw it on TV.
@@LightningRaven42 Stop changing the topic. You claimed that a character acting the way he's supposed to is bad writing when it's actuslly brilliant writing considering how in tune it is with the character and the themes of the story.
Also, wrong. Naruto's manga sales figures are publically available in charts and they show that Naruto was consistently well received all the way through with no significant changes. This means people overwhelmingly liked the series well after the Invasion of Pain Arc. Naruto's manga still ranks at the top positions in Japanese manga polls even today, top 7 and up. So no people still loved the series all the way through no matter how hard you complain.
Because of the existence of love, sacrifice is born as is hate. When one comprehends one knows pain
Pain is the peak Naruto villain. Nobody can change my mind.
Yeah, I agree with you 👍💪👊
I agree, but my favorite is Tobi
Yeah, from here on now it's downhill.
I recommend you watch Shikamaru’s shogi game against his father. Right during the middle of the Akatsuki suppression arc and it’s such a raw moment
1. In the original unedited release of the manga Shikamaru took the cigarettes Asuma had & was smokin them till the end of the Ark where he tossed it to kill Hidan. The anime changed it for ratings & that eng release u're readin is edited for some stupid reason.
2. I love the Pain revive thing & it's 1 of the few times that make sense & work for a few reason. 1st off it doesn't remove EVERYTHIN ELSE he did long before this & even before Jiraiya at all. We know while naruto respects him & honors him greatly now he stated he can't EVER forgive wut was done. It actually serves as a cool strategical advantage cus if the leaf has most of their ppl dead then they're vulnerable & that puts them in a HORRIBLE position movin forward considerin they're 1 of the top hidden villages & that would make it next to impossible to move forward to the next thing properly. He's puttin Naruto in THE BEST position he can to start him off before he's gone.
3. The 3rd hokage Hiruzen made the executive decision NOT to tell ANYONE bout the nine-tails bein sealed in Naruto or that naruto is the 4ths son. He thought it would be horrible if that info got leaked outside the village but ofc 1 of those things got around regardless. 3rd was the main reason that naruto lived the poor life he did cause he thought it would be best to keep Naruto & the village safe.
edit: I wanna ask ur thoughts on the extra hinata scene against pain in the anime & even the manga since u never mentioned it. I personally adore it
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She completely skipped hinata
@@crackbane1330 I know that's y I brought it up
@@royalfun1031 not sayin it was the "best" course but idk wut I would've done tbh
@@nightlydata2181 Thought of a better story