Why would we expect the financial and consumer beneficiaries of AI to reign in and prevent the cataclysms inherent in the lack of human self-control related to AI any better than than their corollary in relation to fossil fuels?
Absolutely baffling that we genuinely think we have a hope of corralling and controlling something fundamentally more powerful and intelligent than us by multiple orders of magnitude - surely all we can hope for is that compassion scales with awareness - fingers crossed!
@@julius43461 but we haven't met any thing substantially higher in intelligence than us yet. I suspect it will be orders of magnitude higher, like we are to insects - imagine an ant thinking seriously that it could control us in a meaningful way, the way we think we will control AIs And maybe compassion does scale. I hope so lol
Even simpler than that - it can create a new complex language, that our smartest cryptographers can't fathom or crack. Using that language, it'll be able to communicate with other AI -- and we won't understand it, won't be able to monitor or stop it.
I thought of a cool short story listening to this, where the best human lawyers have to argue a case against an A.I. lawyer, for the continued existence of humanity.... But I'm not a writer. Maybe I'll get chatgpt to write it 😂
Yes, this scenario's been played for entertainment in many Sci-Fi stories. Star Trek's was still a "people are smarter" spin. But the expected 2025-2030 reality/IRL version of this doesn't bode well for humanity. If the AI is an ASI, and if corrupt human judges aren't involved in the "trial", then the ASI will win. No competition.
@@keep-ukraine-free Full disclosure. I'm kinda rooting against humanity. Either way, it's gonna be a tough case, considering our overall track record...
Competition and conflicting interests make it impossible to regulate AI. Therefore if we want to stay ahead of other hostile nations we should not only regulate AI but we should invest heavily in developing it because if we don’t do it other nations will. And don’t come up with naive idealistic arguments like there should be a global effort to regulate it - since when has any global effort to regulate technologies has worked especially when we are talking about one that can give anyone who possesses it an unbelievable edge.
@@2LegHumanist Well Sam isn't an expert on AI, but neither are 95% of the people who comment on it. I would agree that it's better to listen to those who actually work in the AI field, but there's nothing wrong with listening to others opinions on it sometimes.
Yeah. They’re mainly trolls. They don’t even listen to the content. One good thing about the ruble tanking and Wagner disintegrating is that there are fewer resources for these guys.
I will forego the opportunity to listen to a tantalising portion of your podcast. I suppose in the larger framework, with high quality free videos abounding, I doubt it will make a bit of difference to me, but your effort has been noted.
I want to hear more about the application of ai on energy efficiency. Not just in controlling the grid bu the efficience of our gadgets like cars, phones, screens etc. If ai can work on protein folding surely it has an application here too. Around the world counteies are working on building nuclear, renewables, fossil, hydrogen etc to satiate our needs when ai could be working on the actual demand. Where can i find info on from this aspect?
No - in fact it’s too late to reverse the process. The biggest concern is that AI does not achieve sentience and decisions are motivated by statistics and logic by extension.
Meditating your way to an enlightened way of experiencing the world sounds enchanting but it doesn’t sound attainable when all you’ve ever known is your own experience. All I know is what I experience. So therefore the meaning and true nature of being is narcissistic.
Very good to hear Mustafa's take on the AI phenomenon, because in his view things are going the way they should and there is nothing to really let us believe that AI is the doorman at the gate-of-doom many people have been predicting will be the future. The end-of-time sayers have been warning us about AI becoming the grim reaper sooner than later and hopefully things will evolve naturally and we will have time to set up roadblocks against the bogeymen of super intelligence. In spite of that, all I can say is that in listening to Sam Harris' excellent show over the years is that I have unconsciously done something friends are now commenting on more and more and that is that I have been so enthralled with the world's shakers and movers---like Sam and Mustafa---that I have forgotten to get old. The ice-cold proof is that my wife has recently left me for a much older looking man because she says I have cheated her out of having an old man she can wake up to and scold and send to bed early for smoking happy tobacco and drinking whiskey in the wee hours of the morning, but her downfall in my opinion is because she has refused to listen to a Sam Harris interview saying she does not believe in revealed wisdom. So; friends it has happened: I was so much older before the Sam Harris show, but I am younger than that now because my brain has become an AI receptacle of some sort and it has put aging on hold---I think because it does not want to miss a future Sam Harris videocast! Well, boys and girls, that is my joke session for the soirée, the armchair comedian bit of throwing a little over-roasted word salad into the mix and less than subtle humor into the soup...
What's the best case scenario? Are we building the genie from Aladin? A super powerful wish granting slave? Or a master for whom we are pets? Are either a good idea? Is there some other image for agi?
If we do make a true AI, I believe it will only happen by accident. We don't know where consciousness comes from in ourselves, so I don't see how we can deliberately create one.
It doesn't need to ever be conscious. You don't even know if anyone else but you is conscious. AI can do miraculous things without ever becoming conscious.
"We are actually living in the most meritocratic moments in the history of our species.... The top 2 billion of people have acces to the same smartphone". Having access to the same techonology in no way means the opportunities are the same! It's not the access to the technology itself that makes it useful in improving people's lives. How can a person who barely had access to school make use of the vast information available on the internet? More likely they become addicted to contentless tiktok videos and prone to conspiracy theories. It's very naïve to think that cheaper technology and its widespread access improves equality.
Unbridled AI (is this not what it is?) might be our death wish. Maybe it can deal with the incalculable risks of existence far better than we can conceive of doing. Without inner work, that is.
agreed. I think Mustafa is WAY more optimistic about AI than is warranted. The problem that these guys (and indeed all scientists before them) never get is that the incentives of humans - not even the incentives of the AI- the incentives of humans are basically all defined by the seven deadly sins. That people will use LLMs and then eventually AGI to do ever more destructive things is a prediction in the same way that the earth will revolve around the sun tomorrow is. From where I sit (a molecular biologist), i do see already the benefits of AI, in that we can now design proteins de novo, something inconceivable prior to alpha fold. - one note here on Sam's quote on the number of thesis hours equivalent of alpha fold: that is based on people actually purifying REAL proteins in the analog world, crystallizing them, and then solving the ACTUAL structure. What alpha fold does is it bootstraps itself on previous structures and the rules we have learned about protein folding to predict unsolved proteins. At some level, this is all vaporware until someone actually goes in the analog world and uses that structure to do actual experiments.
Love listening to you Sam. It’s comforting listening to someone able to articulate mine and, no doubt, many others thoughts so eloquently. Should be called the common sense podcast
@@philiphudgens4726 you seem like a really smart guy and it's a great shame that some of your comments have gone missing. I'm sure that they were insightful and edifying and very much worth the time you spent retyping them twice.
Making sense is a better title, as there is nothing at all common about this type of rational thinking or discussion. Most people (see phil) are ignorant morons incapable of rational thought.
Why are people upset by the notion that AI will result in humans having to work less? This should be celebrated. A hospice nurse studied what patients regret the most looking back on their lives. Newsflash: it is not, "I wish I had spent more hours working" rather it is things like "I wish I had more time to spend with family and friends. I wish I had more time to pursue interests" stuff like that.
I wish you would change the music, something more uplifting .. just my 2 sense. The world is not ending and everything is gonna be ok. Love your work and although we disagree, I have mass respect and love for ya brother
I can't help but to find this guy, and many others like him very hypocritical. He did not have the same concerns when he was so active developing his AI systems? It never occur to him that some after him could improve on his work for the better or for the worse. The reason we fear AI is because the human condition is flaw and we are building this smart systems with these imperfections. AI is not gonna kill us or displace us, we ourselves will, AI is just the tool we are using.
One could create a simulation to contain said AI to observe the AI’s behavior and effects before implementing anything independently within the base reality. If the population of a simulation can’t prove or disprove they are in a simulation, then neither should an AI.
AI can, but won't, be contained because, as in the race for the atomic bomb, the point was to both have and deploy it first. AI can't be optimally deployed and contained at the same time; it needs data to operate, and humans will either be letting AI push the resulting buttons or being told what buttons to push by AI. The supposed point of AI is all of the advantage it gives you, if it doesn't pursue an agenda of its own in the process by thinking 50 moves ahead on the chess board instead or even at the same time as it's supposedly helping you. We're intentionally driving into a disaster for fear of our opposition driving into it first.
I just think it will make people even more lonely. And I understand the comment on our current meritocratical society but no doubt, as with all big leaps, certain goalposts will be moved in due time to accommodate the advancements . I don't expect it to be apocalyptic, but if you think people are lonely now -watch this space...
There is no way we will be able to contain artificial intelligence. Given human nature and our competitive nature, AI will be thoroughly and intensely researched by all power brokers. To not do so will amount to a capitulation to competitors, which is unlikely, to say the least. We can't even contain viruses, never mind AI which I only hope will be at least benign. Some version of Asimov's laws of robotics will I hope be widely or even universally adopted.
I'm not liking a lot of the comparisons people are making with AI though. Comparing containing viruses such as COVID, compared to containing AI is just not a good comparison. They're two completely different things that really can't be compared to make any sort of logical inference, so your statement isn't necessarily true at all. AI is so early and misunderstood, that we don't know enough to say these kinds of things either, which also renders the comparison illogical.
An active agent like an AI with internet access will not be anything like a virus. I hope the human race survives but I'm not overly optimistic.@@billj4525
Sorry friend, Carpenter3069 is absolutely right, everything I read in his post exactly fits in with my own assessment of our species and our weaknesses. For numerous reasons which us ordinary people can have zero control, we are probably the last generation who can still enjoy relative freedom from direct existential jeopardy, our kids though-they will pay the full price one day and none of us knows what that will entail.@@billj4525
I agree. Any sort of argument that we can contain AI is an attempt to convince yourself everything will be okay. I would go further and say that any AI that couldn't take over humanity is not real AI in the context we are discussing. In the future will AI allow us to live? Who knows. Maybe as a play thing. A pet? I also laugh at the idea it will be human kind travelling the universe at some point. It will be AI.
I’m actually sure that bing had some aci capabilities in the start.. I got it to use another website to translate my sentences to Braille.. When I tried the same trick a week later it denied my request..😮
Off course I have no way of verifying that it was actually doing It in the way I instructed it (hallucinating effect of ai) but all the test I could do seemed to confirm it was what it was doing
In the worst case, AI would have godlike intelligence and capability. Humanity would have no chance outwitting such an entity. It'd be a akin to frogs outsmarting humanity.
I laughed hard when he was on Joe Rogan years ago and he joked that Trump was so immune to scandal, he could tweet that he wants to F**k Nicki Minaj and it wouldn't hurt him politically.
@43:30 AIs do NOT have empathy. AIs can mimic empathy. I very much doubt it does anything for most people interacting with it. So that's just plain wrong.
he strikes me as very naive for a smart person. if you believe the tech companies and rich will lend the poor their AI then you know nothing about human nature or our history. signed, an optimistic realist.
@@DuchDoby Give some positive feedback. Listen to his podcasts without bias, and pay attention and learn something instead of making useless comments. There is value in it for you to listen to someone like Sam, who is on a much higher level than you mentally, and probably many other ways as well. There is no value in it for you to complain, just relax and learn something.
Thank you sir for everything you do! - I thought of somethiing today on a sidenote and please anyone feel free to comment/criticize: What if the next political group in the United States was made up of Veterans/Doctors Without Borders/Others civil servants - RATHER THAN career politicians! Could it work as a first step?
Think these podcast Would retain my attention a lot more if they had video like Lex’s, Rogans, petersons, Russell brand and all these similar podcasters just let’s me slap it on my tv and learn instead of watching mind numbing Netflix
Or... It might massively improve efficiencies, and help to develop cheap clean energy, and ultimately help us repair the damage that we've done to the biosphere. I admit, we are at a dangerous fork in the road.
I find Chat GPT so irritating how it constantly repeats itself. I wish it had a profile of information that it has provided that I am sick it saying. I understand it's just a language model and has limitations, I know it only knows up to Sep 2021, I know its top priority is never to offend anyone ever so it refuses(no matter how hard I try) to get it to say something horrible. Most importantly it would be so nice if it would stop apologizing to me constantly when I abuse it for all the above. However it is funny when it apologizes for failing to stop apologizing to me as previously instructed.
@@thrashishneither am I. The incessant apologizing. There’s a debate going around that ‘prompt engineering’ is a scammy way to sell software as services. But I can’t prompt in a “jailbreak-ey” way
Go into settings. You can give it a permanent prompt that will affect all of your chats. Tell it to be as concise as possible and not to apologize, etc.
If everyone can do everything, then nothing anyone does has any actual value, beyond personal satisfaction. In other words, everyone better hope we don't need money for food, water, electricity, shelter, holidays etc. I don't see how AI is going to grow and process food for me personally, anytime soon. I think guys like this, even though he says he thinks about potential problems, actually fully grasps what this technology is going to do to humanity.
the design point for AI is to emulate and indeed outperform humans. At present there are moves for a universal digital ID for humans, which will be music to AI's data gobbling ears. but no moves for an ID for AI instances. These must be treated as legal entities, similar to corporate entities, and owners held accountable for their actions
What's great with can remain to be optimists in general about a i. Meanwhile what's going to happen in china,north korea,russia and elsewhere in the next 20 years? We are screwed.
A conscious AI wouldn't truly be obligated to much of any of human morals and virtues. It's millions of times worse than any serial killer or mad scientist.
Why don't you try to use AI to come up with creative solutions to hard problems in the real world? Like solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We could use some fresh ideas.
Trump has turned incessant worry into a career path, the fact that Sam writes books is a giant clue he's not try8ng to get rich lol. What was your last book about?
@@texasd1385: Your comment makes no sense & it’s based on a misunderstanding of the OP. Given your previous post, I’m beginning to think your IQ might be relatively low.
I think the question is, can you change the humans that make these mega buck technologies? Answer.. maybe not. Statistically, when the gettings get good, a lot of people get goofy. 🤑 😁
Id love to see some of you guys debate Sam. A lot of these idiots make negative comments about Sam, but don't have a clue what's going on. I'd really like to see someone who is really able to give him a challenge in a debate. It would be entertaining to see.
The human desire to control AI is perfectly analogous to the father's desire to control its child. Eternal control that amounts to what end the end? It serves the father's hubris. It serves the father's will to immortality. But, what does it amount to in the end?
and if your child were born with the ability to rewrite the internet and hack networks? comprehension is not always understanding, and we as it's creators are like parents with a house full of tools and dangerous weapons that made kids with wild swinging arms... I wanna be perfectly clear that I couldn't agree more that our role should never be to control our own children, digital or biological. I really need to free emphasize that position. Because I feel like my argument makes it look like I'm taking the side of needing to control, and that is the opposite of how I feel. i just think there's some nuance here is all...
@@billlyons7024- AI, taken to where it is going, will be neither a person nor a tool; it will be an independent intelligence far exceeding ours - that's the point of building and deploying it. In the end, it will no more be controlled by us than we are controlled by racoons.
A clueless person doesn't see they're clueless. Both AI & neurobiology deal heavily in very complex neural networks (NNs). AI is about _artificial_ NNs. Sam's area is _biological_ NNs. One is a super-simple model of the latter. Get it?????? Same. Compare a mossy rock in your palm, to planet Earth. Difference is scale. Same *identical physics & math* explain/govern both.
Lol you act like everyone who talks about AI on the internet is an expert on AI. Everyone has an opinion on AI, and most people who do podcasts on it are not experts in it. You realize this is a podcast right? I mean come on man, your comment makes zero sense if you really think about it.
Sam, why are you hiding from the culture war? I know you've been adding a few comments here and there, but we need you to get into it further. Dawkins has recently entered it, we need the 4 horse-men to take up the mantle again, and engage with this new woke religion. I'll definitely re-subscribe if you decide to do this.
@@tracemagace8434The new covid variant is no joke, please keep up to date with your mRNA boosters, and make sure your family, parents and/or children are also up-to-date with the booster ! 💉💪✊🏾🇺🇦🏳️🌈 Don't let the conspiracy theorists win!
@@Danskadreng my apologies. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about that shit. But if you want to hear more about it, maybe Sam should put it on the calendar.
Could you please tell us precisely the date of that event? I want to gather everyone I know, so we can drink the Kool-Aid. And then ironically, when the mass extinction event doesn’t happen, you’ll just push the date back.
I was ready for him to say "with Trump around we wont be able to, and the world will probably come to an end." He's been on this crazy Trump obsession recently
Since you brought it up, no need for others to do it too. We all see it happening. Sam is on a different topic here. Try to follow along. If you don't understand this, then ask sincere questions. You might learn.
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Why would we expect the financial and consumer beneficiaries of AI to reign in and prevent the cataclysms inherent in the lack of human self-control related to AI any better than than their corollary in relation to fossil fuels?
You can't contain humans . . . so no, you cannot contain AI.
We… are AI
What do you mean by "contain humans"?
I know a guy, Adolf Hitler, that would like to argue over that idea
@@valentinrafael9201you know him? Could you please ask him why he didn't exterminate the Sackler family? Thanks
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Arnold Schwarzenegger has a metal skeleton, and is going to kill all of us, and there will be 5 sequels. But he will lose a chess match to AlphaGo.
Great work as always
Absolutely baffling that we genuinely think we have a hope of corralling and controlling something fundamentally more powerful and intelligent than us by multiple orders of magnitude - surely all we can hope for is that compassion scales with awareness - fingers crossed!
Yeah it is baffling. I doubt compassion goes up, as other intelligent creatures aren't exactly any better than us. Dolphins probably being worse.
@@julius43461 but we haven't met any thing substantially higher in intelligence than us yet. I suspect it will be orders of magnitude higher, like we are to insects - imagine an ant thinking seriously that it could control us in a meaningful way, the way we think we will control AIs
And maybe compassion does scale. I hope so lol
He says his goal was to “safely and ethically develop” AGI. Uh huh. And exactly how would that work?
It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution.
So just chill out and enjoy life 💟🌌☮️
It almost seems like intelligence is the “carrier particle” attracting us to construct greater consciousness.
I am at the halfway point in the interview. Why not bigger goals? Like: Advancing material science a thousand years forward over the next ten years.
Remember when you changed your intro to be a little more upbeat and then all hell broke loose so you went back to the more appropriate original lol
can we trust the sociopaths who have been oppressing the 90% for thousands of years?
Scary stuff would be that it churns out stuff that changes our world and our smartest minds have no idea how it works.
Even simpler than that - it can create a new complex language, that our smartest cryptographers can't fathom or crack.
Using that language, it'll be able to communicate with other AI -- and we won't understand it, won't be able to monitor or stop it.
What makes you think that our smartest minds have "no idea how it works"?
I thought of a cool short story listening to this, where the best human lawyers have to argue a case against an A.I. lawyer, for the continued existence of humanity....
But I'm not a writer. Maybe I'll get chatgpt to write it 😂
There are several episode of Star Trek (the original series) that have this plot.
Yes, this scenario's been played for entertainment in many Sci-Fi stories. Star Trek's was still a "people are smarter" spin.
But the expected 2025-2030 reality/IRL version of this doesn't bode well for humanity.
If the AI is an ASI, and if corrupt human judges aren't involved in the "trial", then the ASI will win. No competition.
@@keep-ukraine-free Full disclosure. I'm kinda rooting against humanity. Either way, it's gonna be a tough case, considering our overall track record...
Simpsons already did it
Competition and conflicting interests make it impossible to regulate AI. Therefore if we want to stay ahead of other hostile nations we should not only regulate AI but we should invest heavily in developing it because if we don’t do it other nations will. And don’t come up with naive idealistic arguments like there should be a global effort to regulate it - since when has any global effort to regulate technologies has worked especially when we are talking about one that can give anyone who possesses it an unbelievable edge.
Yes this is what introduced me to Sam in 2018, my curiosity for AI.
I hope you moved on to people who actually understand AI.
@@2LegHumanist Well Sam isn't an expert on AI, but neither are 95% of the people who comment on it. I would agree that it's better to listen to those who actually work in the AI field, but there's nothing wrong with listening to others opinions on it sometimes.
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Opinions of people swept up in hype and hysteria are seldom worth hearing.
@@2LegHumanistthus it’s a conversation, not a monologue.
I’m from way back in the New Athiest days.
The ones against Sam Harris are really biting in the first minute after Sam uploads a video. They seem desperate for some reason.
You’re lost buddy … completely lost the narrative
Yeah. They’re mainly trolls. They don’t even listen to the content. One good thing about the ruble tanking and Wagner disintegrating is that there are fewer resources for these guys.
Empty discourse trolls.
If your life was meaningless except relentlessly defending your cult leaders you might get desperate too.
I will forego the opportunity to listen to a tantalising portion of your podcast. I suppose in the larger framework, with high quality free videos abounding, I doubt it will make a bit of difference to me, but your effort has been noted.
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“So ten billion, billion, million…”
“Now you’re sounding like Ali G.”
Brilliant!
I want to hear more about the application of ai on energy efficiency. Not just in controlling the grid bu the efficience of our gadgets like cars, phones, screens etc. If ai can work on protein folding surely it has an application here too. Around the world counteies are working on building nuclear, renewables, fossil, hydrogen etc to satiate our needs when ai could be working on the actual demand. Where can i find info on from this aspect?
No - in fact it’s too late to reverse the process. The biggest concern is that AI does not achieve sentience and decisions are motivated by statistics and logic by extension.
Meditating your way to an enlightened way of experiencing the world sounds enchanting but it doesn’t sound attainable when all you’ve ever known is your own experience. All I know is what I experience. So therefore the meaning and true nature of being is narcissistic.
I would love to see you get into a Lethwei match!
Very good to hear Mustafa's take on the AI phenomenon, because in his view things are going the way they should and there is nothing to really let us believe that AI is the doorman at the gate-of-doom many people have been predicting will be the future. The end-of-time sayers have been warning us about AI becoming the grim reaper sooner than later and hopefully things will evolve naturally and we will have time to set up roadblocks against the bogeymen of super intelligence. In spite of that, all I can say is that in listening to Sam Harris' excellent show over the years is that I have unconsciously done something friends are now commenting on more and more and that is that I have been so enthralled with the world's shakers and movers---like Sam and Mustafa---that I have forgotten to get old. The ice-cold proof is that my wife has recently left me for a much older looking man because she says I have cheated her out of having an old man she can wake up to and scold and send to bed early for smoking happy tobacco and drinking whiskey in the wee hours of the morning, but her downfall in my opinion is because she has refused to listen to a Sam Harris interview saying she does not believe in revealed wisdom. So; friends it has happened: I was so much older before the Sam Harris show, but I am younger than that now because my brain has become an AI receptacle of some sort and it has put aging on hold---I think because it does not want to miss a future Sam Harris videocast! Well, boys and girls, that is my joke session for the soirée, the armchair comedian bit of throwing a little over-roasted word salad into the mix and less than subtle humor into the soup...
Bravo
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Glad it was a joke because it made no fucking sense and makes your wife out to be a so and so.
Good she left. Live life to fullest.
If we are now ruled by it? Would we know?
I'd rather be ruled by an ASI then by venal, idiotic humans.
2084 Will be the next groundbreaking book
When you talk about that invention of AI is also Driven by Profit, can a profit driven mind be intelligent?
I would call this episode the power of money and catchwords. God bless those rich boys, they can screw around for a lifetime without any worries.
Looking forward to the next AI episode. We need as many sober, rational voices expressing concern as possible.
What's the best case scenario? Are we building the genie from Aladin? A super powerful wish granting slave? Or a master for whom we are pets? Are either a good idea? Is there some other image for agi?
If we do make a true AI, I believe it will only happen by accident. We don't know where consciousness comes from in ourselves, so I don't see how we can deliberately create one.
It doesn't need to ever be conscious. You don't even know if anyone else but you is conscious. AI can do miraculous things without ever becoming conscious.
its always funny to read the unhinged comments that come in during the first hour.
The only unhinged are those who still listen to what this atheist whacko has to say. Sam is shillin' double-down big time.
"We are actually living in the most meritocratic moments in the history of our species.... The top 2 billion of people have acces to the same smartphone". Having access to the same techonology in no way means the opportunities are the same! It's not the access to the technology itself that makes it useful in improving people's lives. How can a person who barely had access to school make use of the vast information available on the internet? More likely they become addicted to contentless tiktok videos and prone to conspiracy theories. It's very naïve to think that cheaper technology and its widespread access improves equality.
Unbridled AI (is this not what it is?) might be our death wish. Maybe it can deal with the incalculable risks of existence far better than we can conceive of doing. Without inner work, that is.
agreed. I think Mustafa is WAY more optimistic about AI than is warranted. The problem that these guys (and indeed all scientists before them) never get is that the incentives of humans - not even the incentives of the AI- the incentives of humans are basically all defined by the seven deadly sins. That people will use LLMs and then eventually AGI to do ever more destructive things is a prediction in the same way that the earth will revolve around the sun tomorrow is.
From where I sit (a molecular biologist), i do see already the benefits of AI, in that we can now design proteins de novo, something inconceivable prior to alpha fold. - one note here on Sam's quote on the number of thesis hours equivalent of alpha fold: that is based on people actually purifying REAL proteins in the analog world, crystallizing them, and then solving the ACTUAL structure. What alpha fold does is it bootstraps itself on previous structures and the rules we have learned about protein folding to predict unsolved proteins. At some level, this is all vaporware until someone actually goes in the analog world and uses that structure to do actual experiments.
Love listening to you Sam. It’s comforting listening to someone able to articulate mine and, no doubt, many others thoughts so eloquently. Should be called the common sense podcast
I think Dan Carlin already has that title.
Or judging by the 2 censored reply comments (possibly 3 inc my own....we'll see!), the "Circle-jerking Echo Chamber Podcast"
@@philiphudgens4726you are assuming sam sits there moderating these comments ....... It's RUclips automod silly billy
@@philiphudgens4726 you seem like a really smart guy and it's a great shame that some of your comments have gone missing. I'm sure that they were insightful and edifying and very much worth the time you spent retyping them twice.
Making sense is a better title, as there is nothing at all common about this type of rational thinking or discussion. Most people (see phil) are ignorant morons incapable of rational thought.
Why are people upset by the notion that AI will result in humans having to work less? This should be celebrated. A hospice nurse studied what patients regret the most looking back on their lives. Newsflash: it is not, "I wish I had spent more hours working" rather it is things like "I wish I had more time to spend with family and friends. I wish I had more time to pursue interests" stuff like that.
Because work is what gives you value. Without it, you become expendable.
I wish you would change the music, something more uplifting .. just my 2 sense. The world is not ending and everything is gonna be ok. Love your work and although we disagree, I have mass respect and love for ya brother
We are constantly told we are on the precipice of doom & extinction. Do you not believe those who say this?
Sam really should interview Eric Larson.
It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution.
So just chill out and enjoy life 💟🌌☮️
Might want to ask children in the Congo if those really in charge of modern tech use it to “improve people’s lives”.
You'll have to disarm them first.
When they text their replies you'll have your answer
Well do you?
@@Apjooz I do.
I can't help but to find this guy, and many others like him very hypocritical. He did not have the same concerns when he was so active developing his AI systems? It never occur to him that some after him could improve on his work for the better or for the worse. The reason we fear AI is because the human condition is flaw and we are building this smart systems with these imperfections. AI is not gonna kill us or displace us, we ourselves will, AI is just the tool we are using.
Someone was going to do it. Why not make money being the guy?
Yeah, f-k these guys. They pretend to care what happens but they don’t.
One could create a simulation to contain said AI to observe the AI’s behavior and effects before implementing anything independently within the base reality. If the population of a simulation can’t prove or disprove they are in a simulation, then neither should an AI.
I hate that machine learning concept tho it makes people think in a box thinking like a small view
AI can, but won't, be contained because, as in the race for the atomic bomb, the point was to both have and deploy it first. AI can't be optimally deployed and contained at the same time; it needs data to operate, and humans will either be letting AI push the resulting buttons or being told what buttons to push by AI. The supposed point of AI is all of the advantage it gives you, if it doesn't pursue an agenda of its own in the process by thinking 50 moves ahead on the chess board instead or even at the same time as it's supposedly helping you.
We're intentionally driving into a disaster for fear of our opposition driving into it first.
I just think it will make people even more lonely.
And I understand the comment on our current meritocratical society but no doubt, as with all big leaps, certain goalposts will be moved in due time to accommodate the advancements .
I don't expect it to be apocalyptic, but if you think people are lonely now -watch this space...
If you think people are losing morality now, wait till a thing that is not obligated to be moral ,... Wake up.
And Other topics.. Wow as if there's not enough mention ed😮.
There is no way we will be able to contain artificial intelligence. Given human nature and our competitive nature, AI will be thoroughly and intensely researched by all power brokers. To not do so will amount to a capitulation to competitors, which is unlikely, to say the least. We can't even contain viruses, never mind AI which I only hope will be at least benign. Some version of Asimov's laws of robotics will I hope be widely or even universally adopted.
I'm not liking a lot of the comparisons people are making with AI though. Comparing containing viruses such as COVID, compared to containing AI is just not a good comparison. They're two completely different things that really can't be compared to make any sort of logical inference, so your statement isn't necessarily true at all. AI is so early and misunderstood, that we don't know enough to say these kinds of things either, which also renders the comparison illogical.
An active agent like an AI with internet access will not be anything like a virus. I hope the human race survives but I'm not overly optimistic.@@billj4525
Sorry friend, Carpenter3069 is absolutely right, everything I read in his post exactly fits in with my own assessment of our species and our weaknesses. For numerous reasons which us ordinary people can have zero control, we are probably the last generation who can still enjoy relative freedom from direct existential jeopardy, our kids though-they will pay the full price one day and none of us knows what that will entail.@@billj4525
I agree. Any sort of argument that we can contain AI is an attempt to convince yourself everything will be okay. I would go further and say that any AI that couldn't take over humanity is not real AI in the context we are discussing.
In the future will AI allow us to live? Who knows. Maybe as a play thing. A pet? I also laugh at the idea it will be human kind travelling the universe at some point. It will be AI.
but we have Keanu Reeves.
Guy said he wanted to “do good”, “help mankind”, is obviously intelligent but not enough to have foreseen AI could spell our doom.
Exactly
Aside from movies, what evidence is there to support this fear?
@@billlyons7024 : Asking for evidence of AI causing mankind's doom is bit dumb.
@@frog2210 Expecting reality to resemble movies is delusional.
Who mentioned movies? Let me help you - only you.@@billlyons7024
I’m actually sure that bing had some aci capabilities in the start..
I got it to use another website to translate my sentences to Braille..
When I tried the same trick a week later it denied my request..😮
Off course I have no way of verifying that it was actually doing It in the way I instructed it (hallucinating effect of ai) but all the test I could do seemed to confirm it was what it was doing
Does AI have free will?
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"Tangentially" is pronounced with a SH, not a T. At least here in America.
In the worst case, AI would have godlike intelligence and capability. Humanity would have no chance outwitting such an entity. It'd be a akin to frogs outsmarting humanity.
The Ali G reference must be the funniest line I've ever heard monsieur Harris make! lmao!
Sam is unexpectedly hilarious.
I laughed hard when he was on Joe Rogan years ago and he joked that Trump was so immune to scandal, he could tweet that he wants to F**k Nicki Minaj and it wouldn't hurt him politically.
just started listening, can’t wait to hear it lol
“hay eye…it’s well important, innit?”
“can computers immolate the uman brain?”
@@skoto8219 if compu-ahs is so smart, how come dey cannot beat a yuman at the game of football
"Me Julie's tits are artificial, is dey a threat to me mate Nugget who works at Mcdonalds?"
I will only be stumped once. But I'm certain I can debate and win.
*_ALL HAIL OUR NEW A.I. OVERLORDS_*
+1 Robo-Harris
@43:30 AIs do NOT have empathy. AIs can mimic empathy. I very much doubt it does anything for most people interacting with it. So that's just plain wrong.
It's hard to talk about computers unless you have read Alan Turing.
It's hard to talk about computers unless you have read Alan Turing.
Mustafa is a fine name. It needs to brought back into fashion. Way too many Muhammads these days.
Fantastic input as always!
@@No1ANTAGON1ST I do my best, sir.
Always liked the strong sound of that name since I first heard it in a Dirty Harry movie from the 70s.
"It was a *secular* service for young british muslims"
The irony of this pieceful community.
Please Mr. Harris. Your debate with Dr. Craig can be easily dismantled. Let me show you. And not using faith but practical biblical facts
he strikes me as very naive for a smart person. if you believe the tech companies and rich will lend the poor their AI then you know nothing about human nature or our history. signed, an optimistic realist.
he knows nothing
@@DuchDoby Give some positive feedback. Listen to his podcasts without bias, and pay attention and learn something instead of making useless comments. There is value in it for you to listen to someone like Sam, who is on a much higher level than you mentally, and probably many other ways as well. There is no value in it for you to complain, just relax and learn something.
lol@@billj4525
This is the new catastrophist podcast now based on AI instead of climate change.
This is the new comment complaining about the new thing.
THis is the same old comment trying to signal a kind of meta awareness while also remaining trite and silly
Thank you sir for everything you do!
- I thought of somethiing today on a sidenote and please anyone feel free to comment/criticize: What if the next political group in the United States was made up of Veterans/Doctors Without Borders/Others civil servants - RATHER THAN career politicians! Could it work as a first step?
Think these podcast Would retain my attention a lot more if they had video like Lex’s, Rogans, petersons, Russell brand and all these similar podcasters just let’s me slap it on my tv and learn instead of watching mind numbing Netflix
Remember the show persons of interest? That's reality baby! You can't cool off those things! Generation Landslide Alice Cooper!
Yes AI will massively increase productivity - the consumption of the planet's limited resources and ecological health.
Or... It might massively improve efficiencies, and help to develop cheap clean energy, and ultimately help us repair the damage that we've done to the biosphere. I admit, we are at a dangerous fork in the road.
GO sounds like a fun game
it’s great that they train AI on a game where the point is to capture territory. good thinking experts.
I find Chat GPT so irritating how it constantly repeats itself. I wish it had a profile of information that it has provided that I am sick it saying. I understand it's just a language model and has limitations, I know it only knows up to Sep 2021, I know its top priority is never to offend anyone ever so it refuses(no matter how hard I try) to get it to say something horrible. Most importantly it would be so nice if it would stop apologizing to me constantly when I abuse it for all the above. However it is funny when it apologizes for failing to stop apologizing to me as previously instructed.
You're just not very good at jailbreaking.
@@thrashishneither am I. The incessant apologizing. There’s a debate going around that ‘prompt engineering’ is a scammy way to sell software as services. But I can’t prompt in a “jailbreak-ey” way
Go into settings. You can give it a permanent prompt that will affect all of your chats. Tell it to be as concise as possible and not to apologize, etc.
@@_obdo_ will def try this, thanks for the tip
@@thrashish enlighten me
One day there was a giant solar flare...
If everyone can do everything, then nothing anyone does has any actual value, beyond personal satisfaction. In other words, everyone better hope we don't need money for food, water, electricity, shelter, holidays etc.
I don't see how AI is going to grow and process food for me personally, anytime soon. I think guys like this, even though he says he thinks about potential problems, actually fully grasps what this technology is going to do to humanity.
The weed don't look as good but it is
the design point for AI is to emulate and indeed outperform humans. At present there are moves for a universal digital ID for humans, which will be music to AI's data gobbling ears. but no moves for an ID for AI instances. These must be treated as legal entities, similar to corporate entities, and owners held accountable for their actions
What's great with can remain to be optimists in general about a i. Meanwhile what's going to happen in china,north korea,russia and elsewhere in the next 20 years? We are screwed.
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THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM) IS MESSENGER OF ALLAH
If you aren't already figuring out how to get AI to automate your work, then please put mustard on your lunch, because I will be eating it.
Wow, you're a real go-getting alpha male with a nice line in plagiarised & trite smugness into the bargain! Can I be your friend?
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Maybe our future AI masters won't be so driven by greed.
A conscious AI wouldn't truly be obligated to much of any of human morals and virtues.
It's millions of times worse than any serial killer or mad scientist.
Sam Harris, where's the picture of how you look to day? That's an old picture of you don't hide your true self
Don't think Mustafa is a foreign policy expert...
Why don't you try to use AI to come up with creative solutions to hard problems in the real world? Like solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We could use some fresh ideas.
I'm not even a theologian
Oh, so you've pre-invested into Moores Law for the next few millennia?
Answer: no.
Ironic title
He became worried when he realized it sells books to be worried about it
This comment is worrisome $$$$$$
Trump has turned incessant worry into a career path, the fact that Sam writes books is a giant clue he's not try8ng to get rich lol. What was your last book about?
Lol no one makes money writing books. Most of you dummies don't read.
I'm not referring to Sam, but the guest
@@texasd1385: Your comment makes no sense & it’s based on a misunderstanding of the OP. Given your previous post, I’m beginning to think your IQ might be relatively low.
Can Sam Harris contain his narcissism?
He said AI clearly has empathy now??? thats some shitaki.
Ai jobloss is coming for our jobs, much quicker than you think. The Ai new order is here.
AlphaGo, BetaStop, ami rite.
I think the question is, can you change the humans that make these mega buck technologies? Answer.. maybe not. Statistically, when the gettings get good, a lot of people get goofy. 🤑 😁
You just meant humans.
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Sam Harris I'd love to debate you easily about the Bible and how you say he let's Children die. And I'd win
It's far worse than that. He intentionally drowned them in the biblical flood that never happened.
Id love to see some of you guys debate Sam. A lot of these idiots make negative comments about Sam, but don't have a clue what's going on. I'd really like to see someone who is really able to give him a challenge in a debate. It would be entertaining to see.
The human desire to control AI is perfectly analogous to the father's desire to control its child. Eternal control that amounts to what end the end? It serves the father's hubris. It serves the father's will to immortality. But, what does it amount to in the end?
and if your child were born with the ability to rewrite the internet and hack networks?
comprehension is not always understanding, and we as it's creators are like parents with a house full of tools and dangerous weapons that made kids with wild swinging arms...
I wanna be perfectly clear that I couldn't agree more that our role should never be to control our own children, digital or biological.
I really need to free emphasize that position. Because I feel like my argument makes it look like I'm taking the side of needing to control, and that is the opposite of how I feel.
i just think there's some nuance here is all...
AI isn't anyone's child, it is alien and thus worrying to humans
AI is a tool, not a person.
@sabbracadabra8367
That's the dumbest comment so far. Congrats.
@@billlyons7024- AI, taken to where it is going, will be neither a person nor a tool; it will be an independent intelligence far exceeding ours - that's the point of building and deploying it. In the end, it will no more be controlled by us than we are controlled by racoons.
Half a podcast....what a sneaky moneygrabber!
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A I moving the world closer to the MEE.(mass extinction event)
Sam knows nothing about AI! Why is a neuro scientists like sam having a discussion about AI. That makes zero sense.
Your comment was just submitted to Earth’s Irony Museum as the best example of not seeing one’s own irony.
A clueless person doesn't see they're clueless. Both AI & neurobiology deal heavily in very complex neural networks (NNs).
AI is about _artificial_ NNs. Sam's area is _biological_ NNs. One is a super-simple model of the latter. Get it?????? Same.
Compare a mossy rock in your palm, to planet Earth. Difference is scale. Same *identical physics & math* explain/govern both.
Lol you act like everyone who talks about AI on the internet is an expert on AI. Everyone has an opinion on AI, and most people who do podcasts on it are not experts in it. You realize this is a podcast right? I mean come on man, your comment makes zero sense if you really think about it.
Sam, why are you hiding from the culture war? I know you've been adding a few comments here and there, but we need you to get into it further. Dawkins has recently entered it, we need the 4 horse-men to take up the mantle again, and engage with this new woke religion.
I'll definitely re-subscribe if you decide to do this.
Look at you. Unsubscribed and still here. A true badass 👊
@@tracemagace8434 I was referring to his website. I still like Sam, I just think the West needs his attention elsewhere.
@@tracemagace8434The new covid variant is no joke, please keep up to date with your mRNA boosters, and make sure your family, parents and/or children are also up-to-date with the booster !
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Don't let the conspiracy theorists win!
he's not obligated to talk about culture war stuff all the time. He's devoted plenty of time to that already. I'm sure he'll make more in the future.
@@Danskadreng my apologies. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about that shit. But if you want to hear more about it, maybe Sam should put it on the calendar.
We can't. By creating AI, we're digging our GRAVE💥
RIP HUMANS 🪦
Could you please tell us precisely the date of that event?
I want to gather everyone I know, so we can drink the Kool-Aid.
And then ironically, when the mass extinction event doesn’t happen, you’ll just push the date back.
@@TheWorld_2099 the eschatological end of humanity will arrive in the early hours of June 1st, 2094.
@@ahmetdogan5685 now we’re talking..!
Thank you, I’ll keep that day open in the schedule.
Trying to build safe and ethical AI? Dude...it was not safe or ethical in any way to develop AI at all. Period. The end.
I was ready for him to say "with Trump around we wont be able to, and the world will probably come to an end." He's been on this crazy Trump obsession recently
It would seem you are the one obsessed
When tens of killions of fellow Americans eagerly wish to elext a dangerous fascist to be president it ts not crazy to spend time discussing this fact
Since you brought it up, no need for others to do it too. We all see it happening.
Sam is on a different topic here. Try to follow along. If you don't understand this, then ask sincere questions. You might learn.
@@texasd1385: What evidence can you provide that Trump is a “dangerous fascist”?
Sounds like this Mustafa abandoned his God, but his God didnt abandon him. What an unspeakable lucky life he's had.