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Clarification: Elemental Activity Surge and Activity Overcharge do NOT stack. So if it’s over charged rocket and solar surge for the activity. You get 25%, not 50%
Legitimately signed into yt to comment this, hopefully the new lights don't think an arc sniper is the best nightfall weapon after hearing that they all stack lol
That's what I thought but I wasn't sure since Fallout is usually on top of details like that. That being said, activity or armor surge mods DO stack with weapon perks, spec mods, and exotic weapon-specific mods, yes?
These types of guides are super helpful for the new folks, of which Destiny is always picking up (against all odds). Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Quick note on divinity and titan banner shield, divinity is also still adding a greater than 0 damage number while typically the shield is doing strictly 0 damage. So not only is divinity adding utility it is also adding just a bit of damage to the teams overall damage to a boss.
Column 3 stacking is one of the more subtle points that can really help you reach new heights of damage. Especially in groups where seasoned allies will usually have columns 1 and 4 covered for you, and are able to teach you how to set up column 2. Even a lot of veterans don't know that colum 3 stacks with itself, so keeping that "miscellaneous" column stacking in mind is one of the biggest things I teach people when I do raid sherpas.
There has been nowhere to know who buff or damage you are dealing until the end of a damage faze… the game has not made it easy for new players but with this video , it is so clear and vey informative. Thank you
So a correction the the 1 surge+ well being 35% buffs in destiny are multipliable so a 10% and a 25% isn’t 35% it would be 37.5% A easy way to calculate this is 3x surge 1.22 emp rift is 1.20 you multiply them and you get 1.464 so you get a 46% damage increase and not a 42% damage increase
More people should probs see this lol. All 4 columns fallout shows stack with eachother multiplicatively. Eg: lumina + 1x surge + tractor = 1.35*1.1*1.3 = 1.93
@demoniob4019 It still changes the damage numbers, though. And at least 90% of damage testing videos & spreadsheets include tractor. Yes it debuffs the enemy, but it still counts as a damage increase for yourself, since you're literally doing more damage because of it
Yeah I was kinda wondering about that too, had me scratching my head here for a bit like “am I tripping cause I thought it was multiplicable” still a good vid but this correction would be very good for others to see
Sentinel shield also makes a lot of orbs assuming you're actually getting shot at. Using Ursa furiosa in GMs is a super good way to play support and be a little more aggressive than dropping a well and sitting in it.
Not even close my dude. The orb gen meta with Ursa and geomag was over two years ago. 3.0 updates brought super regen up so much that using an Ursa super would be shooting your team in the foot with you doing nothing while you super
@@poptartninja9496 this is a solid no. ursa makes your fireteam basically immune to almost all damage and generates orbs like crazy. fuels surge mods, another ursa, take your pick. it's lost some favor but it's still wicked good
@VernCarson In a damage phase for any boss, well of radiance drops 3 orbs instantly. This is 30s of armor charge at minimum so there's no point saying Ursa is for surges. Well is also only 15% less damage than sentinel shield buff, which means less damage for the 5 people doing damage compared to the 6 with well. Also, there's plenty of encounters where you take damage from multiple directions, in which case shield cannot compete with well. And if you do take damage behind a sentinel shield, it doesn't regen your hp like well does. Sentinel shield is easily one of the worst supers in the game and if you think it's not, you're kidding yourself
@poptartninja9496 it's not about the damage, it's about absolute defense. Nothing blocks damage like sentinel. The orbs and damage buff are just a bonus.
Me when my Strand Titan solos 5 Headless Ones in a Legend Haunted Sector while my two teammates die to the same Headless 4 times each in a row in the same amount of time.
They really need an in-game chart just like your columns for all players to see and reference that says what things fall under each, and how things within a column dont stack
I kind of knew most of this as a long time player but never really seen it laid out and explained so well, especially the column 3 stacking with each other thing
Thank you so much for this! I struggle so hard on DPS phases and I can never figure out why. Now I have a guide to troubleshoot my builds. As a newish player, no one has been able to break this down in this way and let’s be honest, vet players just say “put on xyz” and don’t/can’t explain why it works or how I can modify what I have to fit the situation. It’s one of the reasons why I love as a void hunter because I don’t know how to put mods together with other builds. Thanks again!!!
your svelte vocal threads always manage to get me to drift off. even prescription sleeping aids arent as effective. you sir, alongside Datto, have saved my sleep schedule on many an occasion. keep on providing excellent videos and info drops, and for me, sleep asmr! seriously though, really appreciate you and your content!
This a very well made video and is perfect for letting people know how damage strats are made and optimized but it is leaving out something most people avoid doing because its hard and thats swapping. For the most part the reason why rockets are so busted in our current meta is because when put into a swap rotaion they have reasonable total damage while also having the highest dps in the game when pair with ghorn. Obviously this type of dps is not nessasary for anything other than master raid 1 phases, speedrunners and carrying bad teamates in normal raids but it is how you max your damage.
Man, that's a really good video. I'm a PvP player and this 4 column structure was really clear and useful. Now I know where to look if my damage is meh in another raid or NF. Thank you!
"Older player" here, aka I started in the beginning of Forsaken, good times! Anywhoozles... yes I found this very helpful. While I already knew everything, it's helpful to see it laid out and explained fully so you can see what to pick and choose in most situations. Also holy shit! I had ZERO idea that Banner Shield gave THAT big of a dmg buff... nor that lumina was actually superior to well... thats crazy. Ooh also PS even the "Div Bitch" can pull some damn good numbers if they spam fire rather than hold fire. It procs its secondary ability and shatters the shield far quicker which does some pretty good, as well as applying the shield faster too... if your team times their shots they can get a reload or grenade throw, well drop, etc in while the tap fire does its thing then go back to firing and put out some great damage. I always amaze people at the dmg output I can do when I'm running Div for the group and spam tap firing. It's pretty crazy.
Hey fallout can you do a follow up video with weapon load outs like using a fusion, witherhoard, and a bait and switch rocket and talking about which fusion and rocket you should use for most damage?
@tristansfun corrected my piece of legwear. It should be Lunafaction Boots -.- Top quality from @FalloutPlays as always. The only thing you missed from the utility that might increase damage is Boots of the Assembler for reload speed. Might be too niche for the video though.
I actually prefer using the -8% staff count debuff and 1.2 billion wasted on buying staff stock for Sony method. It's quite powerful, will stun and shock everyone around you, and destroys any morale in your way. However it is a bit inaccessible as it required a ton of investment, but it is well worth it
I wish there was a stat page that would show all your buffs in build as if they were active kinda like a Diablo stat page. Would make build crafting so much better.
Small clarification. Buffs/Debuff/Surge stacking is multiplicative and not additive for instance 10% surge buff and 25% well buff the bonus is not 1.1+1.25=1.35 or a 35% buff, instead is it 1.1*1.25=1.375 or a 37.5% buff. Not a big difference with only a couple of buffs, but the more things you have stacking together the crazier the difference becomes. The multiplicative system is mainly why melee stacking in the past used to be really op and still is really strong.
Thanks for this! Been trying to explain max damage to my clan as they were confused how I do 3x the damage then everyone else on every boss LOLOL. Cheers! 👍🏻
God bless your soul fallout, I've been trying to figure out lucky pants since the new wardens law dropped. A little sad to learn that my fourth times vorpal roll isnt using the vorpal though... Excited to try out the fourth times zen moment I'm even more happy I held onto now.
Here me out, they make an exotic that takes banner shield and instead of the titan holding it, it’s able to be placed in front of the fireteam and allow the caster to shoot through as well. Kinda like well for warlocks but for titans
I’d rather they let you shoot through Ward of Dawn while using Helm of Saint-14, or even allow Helm to affect Banner Shield like you say, than adding a whole new exotic just for this.
Great video. Only 2 honorable mention tips I would add are 1) add DOT to the equation. Witherhorde, arc souls (these are actually insanely powerful), unravelling rounds, scorch, and kinetic tremors are all good ways of adding passive tick damage that can really add up. 2) Make sure to use kinetic weapons against unshielded bosses.
those are valid point but most people who do end game don't think about those things for boss DPS with the exception of witherhord. they mostly follow this simple but effective chart fallout showed in the video but on a very high level. everything you mention is good things to know about general gameplay. only on vary rare occasions do I see anything like you mention for boss dps and its only to midmax soits not for beginners like this video was intended for.
I sincerely want to thank you for this video, for truly explaining damage options, as a new player I have been playing the game wrong and wondering why I do less damage in boss fights with a team .. now I understand better . Also I am going to buy that lumina hand canon .. so even if I don’t do much damage I can support the team to finish the boss in one face or two 👍🏽. Great video and thanks once again
welcome to the d2 first and foremost. if you want to help out your team the most and still need exotics I would say lumina shouldn't be a high priority but more of a mid to low priority since their are a few must haves before going for situational guns. tractor cannon and divinity should be the two you want to get first along with a few staple exotics like thunderlord, withhord, wishender, trinty, laviathens breath, and sleeper.
@@ironman00647 divinity is actually hard to get , tractor cannon not sure but I will get it …. The video says other wise tho and since I am a big fan of hand canons I will definitely will be going along with lumina whenever I am going for a raid next
This has nothing to do with this video but if there’s any beginners reading through the comments and are like “I know all of this already!” Then there’s another column you could look at adding: uptime. This includes reload speed, weapon perks like fourth times the charm, burst supers instead of roaming and handling speed to switch between your weapons as quick as possible! Spending as little time as you can not shooting can have a massive effect on your DPS! ❤
I actually only like tractor cannon when there's a 6 man. In nightfall and dungeons I feel like there's better damage utility to come from just using weaking grenades or tether and keeping your 2nd or third member's heavy slot open for something like sleeper or gally. Most exotic boosts i feel require some thought on whether or not that's what you want your weapon exotic slot going into.
I only just today found out surge mods stack with activity mods. No wonder my weapons feel weak. I only feel a little embarrassed that I couldn't figure that out. I'm mostly frustrated that Bungie named two separate, unrelated buffs both 'surge'.
Important factor you didn't mention when mentioning the everything else category is when you mentioned activity surges you fail to mention that activity surges and overcharges do not stack with each other. They on their own stack with everything else though.
The different buff/debuff categories stack multiplicatively, they’re not additive. So Well + Tether wouldn’t be 25% + 35% = 60%, it would be 25% * 35% = 69%. It’s why damage stacking got out of hand back in the hand, causing Bungie to change how everything worked Good example from the spreadsheet is Cold Comfort with Explosive Light, Tether, Well, Ballidorse, and Surge mods. You get 25% * 25% * 35% * 22% * 10% = 283%, almost triple your base damage
How long do lumina shots last? What was that third ability in column 1? Do the overcharged weapons stack with activity surges? How long does tractor debuff last?
Lumina buff is 10 seconds for the person shooting lumina and the person getting hit with the noble round. You also need to shoot everyone individually Third ability is the 'radiant' buff, which solar subclasses can apply (e.g. ember of torches) No, overcharged and activity surges don't stack Tractor debuff is 10 seconds
love the video, do think weapon perks should be column 1 (since that's where all the calculations start before any buff or debuff is applied), and column 3 should only be for miscellaneous damage buffs from armor
Found out about surges today hope it doesn't require guardian rank 6 that resets seasonly which is stupid I can never have a helmet with orb making mods permanently now
Oh my God, I haven't been using the Leg surges because I thought they would be too hard to proc, but everyone runs Well and that just generates the orbs for you. DPS is about to get 20% better :D
[Edit: I was Wrong] So wait, Boss Spec and Vorpal Weapon are in the same column so they do NOT stack!? 😮 How many years have I been wasting my weapon mod ... [Edit: ok, so this is why you shouldn't comment mid-video. Fallout says like 30 seconds later that column 3 buffs DO stack 😅]
I think one more item worth mentioning would have been the seasonal artifact. I guess that would go in column 3 and in the activity modifier. I believe whichever anti-champion weapon perk chosen gives the same buff as an activity modifier, but of course, doesn't stack with activity modifier.
This was very helpful thank you! Out of curiosity where could I find the scale that shows somewhat of a accurate percentage of all the buff debuff etc?
Honestly Sentinel shield is overlooked. In a 6 man activity it would be adding more damage than is lost by it not being used; assuming everyone’s damage is consistent.
Grab a calculator and multiply 1.4 x 5. That’s your 5 teammates and the 40% buff you’ll be providing. Then do 6 x 1.25. That’s all 6 in a well doing damage. It’s quite literally useless.
I would actually argue the exact opposite my dude. If the team's damage is inconsistent via players performing poorly, that person dragging far behind should be div, or tractor, or tether, and only after that then maybe sentinel. It's still bad damage because you think you're getting the 40% but you're really only getting 15% because who doesn't bring a well buff in a raid?
If i remember correctly, Bungie themselves mentioned in a twap that Weapon surges and Elemental surge doesn't stack at all, so having a Solar bow in a Solar and Bow surge won't make it deals 50% more damage or something like so
To the Lucky Pants fanatics, a warning. When using Lucky Pants with Gunslinger, you will likely end up having some weird glitch happening to you if you use surge mods. Apparently, there is too much stuff happening in the hud if you use radiance, chain of woe, eta, and it will cancel out or even lock you out from extra damage. Very inconsistent, and Bungie hasn't fixed it in months. If you don't want to deal with that, I recommend using other subclasses such as Void or Arc. Stasis is kinda fun if you use shatter for damage. Edit: spelling and grammer.
I was under the assumption (and had been told multiple times by others, didn't bother to check for myself) that divinity's 15% debuff overrides any 30% debuff for as long as the bubble is up, is that not the case?
What about activity modifiers (column 3) and armor surges (colkumn 2)? Do those buffs stack? What I mean is: When I'm using a solar weapon with solar surge mods on my armor while being in an activity with solar surge, do I do more damage?
Also, for all div players; run a auto loading/lasting impression rocket Fire rocket, swap to div n the rocket wont detonate till you got div bubble up, & when you hear the rocket load, swap, fire, go back to div I out dps my firetime doing things
This is only a good idea if you're using the (recently discovered) quickswap tech to make sure the div bubble doesn't fall off. Otherwise you can't get enough handling and the bubble will fall off, which will annoy your fireteam. There's also not really any particular reason to use Lasting Impression, just pack an Explosive Light or BnS rocket instead (granted ALH/BNS doesn't exist, you'd need to use Reconstruction Apex; ALH/Explosive Hothead would be an easier alternative in this case, no need to manage a third weapon). Additionally, unless it's something like Ir Yut where the bigger hitbox is really important, it's kinda hard to justify Div over Tractor Cannon even with this tech in mind--you can do a lot of damage on triple shotgun swap and TC's debuff is bigger.
@spiderken3102 Two issues. For players that don't already do something like this, they won't be remotely fast enough to warrant dropping the div bubble for the whole team and it's a great way to make everyone mad at you. For the players like me, you already stack swap mods to shoot before the div bubble falls off, and can keep the bubble going before it breaks. Lasting impression is good on rockets that don't get ex light like hezen, but LI doesn't buff Wolfpack rounds like explosive light or BnS
@life-destiny1196 Bosses that give a major benefit to using div: consecrated mind, taniks, deathsingers, caretaker, rhulk, nezarec, and ir yut. So let's see that's GoS, DSC, VotD, RoN, KF and CE. What raids don't have major benefit to div? Oh yeah, only VoG. Saying "I don't see div being justified" sounds cool but you couldn't be more wrong. All of these bosses get better more reliable hitboxes with div and if you think a more reliable hit box isn't worth it when missing a single rocket drops 10% of your ENTIRE damage you're off your rocker
Point of confusion: talking about columms 1-4 here referencing your dps formula gets confusing in comparison to columns1-5 for weapon traits. Especially since columns 3-5 of the weapons traita are what feeds into the col 3 miscellaneous buffs of the damage formula.
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You forgot raiju’s harness 😂
Fallout cries giving "advice" 😂😂😂😂
WHAT ABOUT AEGIS
@@KevinBrevin 😂
Clarification: Elemental Activity Surge and Activity Overcharge do NOT stack. So if it’s over charged rocket and solar surge for the activity. You get 25%, not 50%
Thanks for the heads up.
I believe it’s the same with artifact mod surges too. You can have 1 of those 3 effects active.
Was just about to comment this
Legitimately signed into yt to comment this, hopefully the new lights don't think an arc sniper is the best nightfall weapon after hearing that they all stack lol
That's what I thought but I wasn't sure since Fallout is usually on top of details like that. That being said, activity or armor surge mods DO stack with weapon perks, spec mods, and exotic weapon-specific mods, yes?
These types of guides are super helpful for the new folks, of which Destiny is always picking up (against all odds). Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Quick note on divinity and titan banner shield, divinity is also still adding a greater than 0 damage number while typically the shield is doing strictly 0 damage. So not only is divinity adding utility it is also adding just a bit of damage to the teams overall damage to a boss.
Plus the user of dov can use a one off super like nova bomb, bladebarrage etc. Huge additional damage compared to banner shield
@@nico3064 arc stick, always arc stick.
Not to mention Div allows for easy critical hits, which is easier and better for maximum dmg with precision weapons like Linears or Izanagi’s
Also has intrinsic overload, which is decrease the targets damage and ability usage.
Even if people think it’s insignificant.
The Aegis inspired content wave is upon us ! Great vid champ
Column 3 stacking is one of the more subtle points that can really help you reach new heights of damage. Especially in groups where seasoned allies will usually have columns 1 and 4 covered for you, and are able to teach you how to set up column 2. Even a lot of veterans don't know that colum 3 stacks with itself, so keeping that "miscellaneous" column stacking in mind is one of the biggest things I teach people when I do raid sherpas.
There has been nowhere to know who buff or damage you are dealing until the end of a damage faze… the game has not made it easy for new players but with this video , it is so clear and vey informative. Thank you
So a correction the the 1 surge+ well being 35% buffs in destiny are multipliable so a 10% and a 25% isn’t 35% it would be 37.5% A easy way to calculate this is 3x surge 1.22 emp rift is 1.20 you multiply them and you get 1.464 so you get a 46% damage increase and not a 42% damage increase
More people should probs see this lol. All 4 columns fallout shows stack with eachother multiplicatively. Eg: lumina + 1x surge + tractor = 1.35*1.1*1.3 = 1.93
Adding together would be 75% increase, but in reality it's a 93% increase
@demoniob4019 It still changes the damage numbers, though. And at least 90% of damage testing videos & spreadsheets include tractor. Yes it debuffs the enemy, but it still counts as a damage increase for yourself, since you're literally doing more damage because of it
I was very surprised that Fallout didn't know this or that it completely slipped his mind. This is like Damage calculating 101
Yeah I was kinda wondering about that too, had me scratching my head here for a bit like “am I tripping cause I thought it was multiplicable” still a good vid but this correction would be very good for others to see
Sentinel shield also makes a lot of orbs assuming you're actually getting shot at. Using Ursa furiosa in GMs is a super good way to play support and be a little more aggressive than dropping a well and sitting in it.
Not even close my dude. The orb gen meta with Ursa and geomag was over two years ago. 3.0 updates brought super regen up so much that using an Ursa super would be shooting your team in the foot with you doing nothing while you super
@@poptartninja9496 this is a solid no. ursa makes your fireteam basically immune to almost all damage and generates orbs like crazy. fuels surge mods, another ursa, take your pick. it's lost some favor but it's still wicked good
@VernCarson In a damage phase for any boss, well of radiance drops 3 orbs instantly. This is 30s of armor charge at minimum so there's no point saying Ursa is for surges. Well is also only 15% less damage than sentinel shield buff, which means less damage for the 5 people doing damage compared to the 6 with well. Also, there's plenty of encounters where you take damage from multiple directions, in which case shield cannot compete with well. And if you do take damage behind a sentinel shield, it doesn't regen your hp like well does. Sentinel shield is easily one of the worst supers in the game and if you think it's not, you're kidding yourself
@poptartninja9496 it's not about the damage, it's about absolute defense. Nothing blocks damage like sentinel. The orbs and damage buff are just a bonus.
@poptartninja9496 bro. I literally said for GMs.
God I hope some people learn something from this cause haunted lost sectors with blue berries has been traumatizing 😂
Me when my Strand Titan solos 5 Headless Ones in a Legend Haunted Sector while my two teammates die to the same Headless 4 times each in a row in the same amount of time.
banner of war titan with tractor cannon and one-two punch shotty, takes blueberries out of the equation.
If the game was clearer about buffs/debuffs and their %s it would be less of a problem. Bungle is overhauling the UI to try and clear this up.
Most my deaths recently were cuz i had to get my 25 finishers
Tell bungie buff other classes so titan hammer/banner of war aren’t the only good options
They really need an in-game chart just like your columns for all players to see and reference that says what things fall under each, and how things within a column dont stack
Strategies for getting the ball hair just right. Manscaped
Indeed
i wouldnt reccomend the speedrun strat, stick with the safe one
I kind of knew most of this as a long time player but never really seen it laid out and explained so well, especially the column 3 stacking with each other thing
Even as a D1 year 1 player. It's nice to see it laid out in this fashion. I definitely have something to apply to my gameplay.
Thank you so much for this! I struggle so hard on DPS phases and I can never figure out why. Now I have a guide to troubleshoot my builds. As a newish player, no one has been able to break this down in this way and let’s be honest, vet players just say “put on xyz” and don’t/can’t explain why it works or how I can modify what I have to fit the situation. It’s one of the reasons why I love as a void hunter because I don’t know how to put mods together with other builds. Thanks again!!!
Great video, no hours long rant, just a simple down to Earth simple explanation for new players and old.
The smirk of victory Alan got was perfect XD
Thank you for this! My wife and I recently got back into D2 again and we were just wondering about how damage buckets in this game work.
your svelte vocal threads always manage to get me to drift off. even prescription sleeping aids arent as effective. you sir, alongside Datto, have saved my sleep schedule on many an occasion. keep on providing excellent videos and info drops, and for me, sleep asmr! seriously though, really appreciate you and your content!
YOU FORGOT RAIJU'S HARNESS!!!
This a very well made video and is perfect for letting people know how damage strats are made and optimized but it is leaving out something most people avoid doing because its hard and thats swapping. For the most part the reason why rockets are so busted in our current meta is because when put into a swap rotaion they have reasonable total damage while also having the highest dps in the game when pair with ghorn. Obviously this type of dps is not nessasary for anything other than master raid 1 phases, speedrunners and carrying bad teamates in normal raids but it is how you max your damage.
Fallout- Thanks for this video. This has cleared up much of my understanding on "damage how to". Very well made and laid out video.
Great video. Hope it helps out those newer to the game and some veterans who may be tweaking stuff like myself.
This video will help new lights alot. I suck at explaining anything, especially the basics. Using this for any new lights I come accross/needs help 😅
Man, that's a really good video. I'm a PvP player and this 4 column structure was really clear and useful. Now I know where to look if my damage is meh in another raid or NF. Thank you!
Being an old Destiny veteran, this stuff still escaped me. Thanks Fallout.
Destiny vets = dads who casually play the game and asked to be carried in Destiny 2
@@alexisdamnit9012nope try again lm a D1 vet since beta and I hardly / never get carried it’s always blueberries, F2P and casuals that I got to carry
Destiny "Veteran" lmao that's so fucking cringe dude
@@TheEbonyWarrior dies of cringe
@@alexisdamnit9012 does dog Dad count?
"Older player" here, aka I started in the beginning of Forsaken, good times!
Anywhoozles... yes I found this very helpful. While I already knew everything, it's helpful to see it laid out and explained fully so you can see what to pick and choose in most situations. Also holy shit! I had ZERO idea that Banner Shield gave THAT big of a dmg buff... nor that lumina was actually superior to well... thats crazy.
Ooh also PS even the "Div Bitch" can pull some damn good numbers if they spam fire rather than hold fire. It procs its secondary ability and shatters the shield far quicker which does some pretty good, as well as applying the shield faster too... if your team times their shots they can get a reload or grenade throw, well drop, etc in while the tap fire does its thing then go back to firing and put out some great damage. I always amaze people at the dmg output I can do when I'm running Div for the group and spam tap firing. It's pretty crazy.
Hey fallout can you do a follow up video with weapon load outs like using a fusion, witherhoard, and a bait and switch rocket and talking about which fusion and rocket you should use for most damage?
Going to start calling you Professor Destiny this was phenomenal video
Imma use Tractor Beam from now on.
I slept on that gun even tho i love the look of it
Tractor Cannon?
@@deadchannelfrom2018 yes
@tristansfun corrected my piece of legwear. It should be Lunafaction Boots -.-
Top quality from @FalloutPlays as always. The only thing you missed from the utility that might increase damage is Boots of the Assembler for reload speed. Might be too niche for the video though.
Do you mean Lunafaction Boots?
@@tristansfun yes. Im being an idiot -.-
@Sangomah lol no worries. I make dumb mistakes all the time
Correction: Buffs are multiplicative, not additive. Multiplied together you get:
Radiant + 1 Surge: 1.25 * 1.1 = 1.375 (+37.5%)
Radiant + 2 Surges: 1.25 * 1.17 = 1.4625 (+46.25%)
Radiant + 3 Surges: 1.25 * 1.22 = 1.525 (+52.5%)
This applies to all 4 "columns" as well as all stacking buffs in "column 3", e.g.:
Radiant + 3 Surges + BnS + Boss Spec: 1.25 * 1.22 * 1.35 * 1.0777 = 2.21871487 (+121.87%).
I actually prefer using the -8% staff count debuff and 1.2 billion wasted on buying staff stock for Sony method. It's quite powerful, will stun and shock everyone around you, and destroys any morale in your way. However it is a bit inaccessible as it required a ton of investment, but it is well worth it
I wish there was a stat page that would show all your buffs in build as if they were active kinda like a Diablo stat page. Would make build crafting so much better.
Small clarification. Buffs/Debuff/Surge stacking is multiplicative and not additive for instance 10% surge buff and 25% well buff the bonus is not 1.1+1.25=1.35 or a 35% buff, instead is it 1.1*1.25=1.375 or a 37.5% buff.
Not a big difference with only a couple of buffs, but the more things you have stacking together the crazier the difference becomes. The multiplicative system is mainly why melee stacking in the past used to be really op and still is really strong.
The community needed this.
Thanks for this! Been trying to explain max damage to my clan as they were confused how I do 3x the damage then everyone else on every boss LOLOL. Cheers! 👍🏻
This vid promotes me from Add Clearer to useful ( with a lowercase u). Thanks Fallout!
Great video, Fallout! That really cleared things up for me.
God bless your soul fallout, I've been trying to figure out lucky pants since the new wardens law dropped. A little sad to learn that my fourth times vorpal roll isnt using the vorpal though...
Excited to try out the fourth times zen moment I'm even more happy I held onto now.
Great video this has really helped me understand! Could you go over a beginner guide to what weapons to use for raids?
Brotha did the whole like 7 part Aegis series in 1 video
Here me out, they make an exotic that takes banner shield and instead of the titan holding it, it’s able to be placed in front of the fireteam and allow the caster to shoot through as well. Kinda like well for warlocks but for titans
That's hot
The perk would be called Yosemite. Cause it's a half-dome. 🤪
I’d rather they let you shoot through Ward of Dawn while using Helm of Saint-14, or even allow Helm to affect Banner Shield like you say, than adding a whole new exotic just for this.
@@lemoniscence Like bring in The Glasshouse exotic helmet from D1
Great video. Only 2 honorable mention tips I would add are 1) add DOT to the equation. Witherhorde, arc souls (these are actually insanely powerful), unravelling rounds, scorch, and kinetic tremors are all good ways of adding passive tick damage that can really add up. 2) Make sure to use kinetic weapons against unshielded bosses.
those are valid point but most people who do end game don't think about those things for boss DPS with the exception of witherhord. they mostly follow this simple but effective chart fallout showed in the video but on a very high level. everything you mention is good things to know about general gameplay. only on vary rare occasions do I see anything like you mention for boss dps and its only to midmax soits not for beginners like this video was intended for.
Haven't even watched but I already love you for this. Thank you!!
You do an amazing job of breaking down the details! Your also a lot of fun to listen to 😂
Suggest a follow up vid on current meta DPS builds and the best places to use them IE raid boss, GM boss ETC. Big fan BTW.
the channel you are looking for is Aegis
bro i have been playing for years and i just learned some good stuff
I sincerely want to thank you for this video, for truly explaining damage options, as a new player I have been playing the game wrong and wondering why I do less damage in boss fights with a team .. now I understand better . Also I am going to buy that lumina hand canon .. so even if I don’t do much damage I can support the team to finish the boss in one face or two 👍🏽. Great video and thanks once again
welcome to the d2 first and foremost. if you want to help out your team the most and still need exotics I would say lumina shouldn't be a high priority but more of a mid to low priority since their are a few must haves before going for situational guns. tractor cannon and divinity should be the two you want to get first along with a few staple exotics like thunderlord, withhord, wishender, trinty, laviathens breath, and sleeper.
@@ironman00647 divinity is actually hard to get , tractor cannon not sure but I will get it …. The video says other wise tho and since I am a big fan of hand canons I will definitely will be going along with lumina whenever I am going for a raid next
Im not a new player but thanks for this video i didnt know a lot of these
Lost my destiny account and having to start from scratch looking for new pve builds. This helps so much thank you!
Oh damn! How did you lose it?
Very well done. This is an excellent new light resource.
Been using Lumina on my Well Warlock since it's release since I use both a solar rocket and fusion with auto-loading.
Will the Shotgun Man suggest using shotgun for DPS?
thanks for the massive effort. nice touch adding your logo on the final graphic, definitely screenshotting that
This has nothing to do with this video but if there’s any beginners reading through the comments and are like “I know all of this already!” Then there’s another column you could look at adding: uptime. This includes reload speed, weapon perks like fourth times the charm, burst supers instead of roaming and handling speed to switch between your weapons as quick as possible! Spending as little time as you can not shooting can have a massive effect on your DPS! ❤
I actually only like tractor cannon when there's a 6 man. In nightfall and dungeons I feel like there's better damage utility to come from just using weaking grenades or tether and keeping your 2nd or third member's heavy slot open for something like sleeper or gally. Most exotic boosts i feel require some thought on whether or not that's what you want your weapon exotic slot going into.
Clear and concise - very nice!
I really do commend you on finding new ways to make content for Destiny 2
I only just today found out surge mods stack with activity mods. No wonder my weapons feel weak. I only feel a little embarrassed that I couldn't figure that out. I'm mostly frustrated that Bungie named two separate, unrelated buffs both 'surge'.
Honestly very helpful, thanks a bunch for this.
Important factor you didn't mention when mentioning the everything else category is when you mentioned activity surges you fail to mention that activity surges and overcharges do not stack with each other. They on their own stack with everything else though.
The different buff/debuff categories stack multiplicatively, they’re not additive. So Well + Tether wouldn’t be 25% + 35% = 60%, it would be 25% * 35% = 69%. It’s why damage stacking got out of hand back in the hand, causing Bungie to change how everything worked
Good example from the spreadsheet is Cold Comfort with Explosive Light, Tether, Well, Ballidorse, and Surge mods. You get 25% * 25% * 35% * 22% * 10% = 283%, almost triple your base damage
How long do lumina shots last? What was that third ability in column 1? Do the overcharged weapons stack with activity surges? How long does tractor debuff last?
Lumina buff is 10 seconds for the person shooting lumina and the person getting hit with the noble round. You also need to shoot everyone individually
Third ability is the 'radiant' buff, which solar subclasses can apply (e.g. ember of torches)
No, overcharged and activity surges don't stack
Tractor debuff is 10 seconds
love the video, do think weapon perks should be column 1 (since that's where all the calculations start before any buff or debuff is applied), and column 3 should only be for miscellaneous damage buffs from armor
Found out about surges today hope it doesn't require guardian rank 6 that resets seasonly which is stupid I can never have a helmet with orb making mods permanently now
Gonna be perfect for my new light friend
Column 3 might need its own video for beginners to understand
Oh my God, I haven't been using the Leg surges because I thought they would be too hard to proc, but everyone runs Well and that just generates the orbs for you. DPS is about to get 20% better :D
[Edit: I was Wrong] So wait, Boss Spec and Vorpal Weapon are in the same column so they do NOT stack!? 😮 How many years have I been wasting my weapon mod ...
[Edit: ok, so this is why you shouldn't comment mid-video. Fallout says like 30 seconds later that column 3 buffs DO stack 😅]
Oh god thank you for using colors. For some reason that helps.
Radiant light also helps your teamates get their armor, double if they are a different class
Great video man thanks!
This was really helpful
Thank you
I think one more item worth mentioning would have been the seasonal artifact. I guess that would go in column 3 and in the activity modifier. I believe whichever anti-champion weapon perk chosen gives the same buff as an activity modifier, but of course, doesn't stack with activity modifier.
This was very helpful thank you!
Out of curiosity where could I find the scale that shows somewhat of a accurate percentage of all the buff debuff etc?
Fallout is just out here doing the lord’s work!
Honestly Sentinel shield is overlooked. In a 6 man activity it would be adding more damage than is lost by it not being used; assuming everyone’s damage is consistent.
Ur losing ur damage
Grab a calculator and multiply 1.4 x 5. That’s your 5 teammates and the 40% buff you’ll be providing. Then do 6 x 1.25. That’s all 6 in a well doing damage. It’s quite literally useless.
I would actually argue the exact opposite my dude. If the team's damage is inconsistent via players performing poorly, that person dragging far behind should be div, or tractor, or tether, and only after that then maybe sentinel. It's still bad damage because you think you're getting the 40% but you're really only getting 15% because who doesn't bring a well buff in a raid?
I miss when you could stack bubble and well and then have auto reload back in the day
If i remember correctly, Bungie themselves mentioned in a twap that Weapon surges and Elemental surge doesn't stack at all, so having a Solar bow in a Solar and Bow surge won't make it deals 50% more damage or something like so
Thanks!
Blight ranger is obviously the best form of damage
You forgot to mention salvation's grip
Can't believe so many people think ursa sentinel shield is even remotely viable at this point in destiny. I'm just glad I haven't run into them in LFG
so helpful , thank you so much
Exact reason why I use Lumina and Well in a raid setting.
Because I back my boys by allowing them to make more damage.
I walk, so they can fly.
To the Lucky Pants fanatics, a warning. When using Lucky Pants with Gunslinger, you will likely end up having some weird glitch happening to you if you use surge mods. Apparently, there is too much stuff happening in the hud if you use radiance, chain of woe, eta, and it will cancel out or even lock you out from extra damage. Very inconsistent, and Bungie hasn't fixed it in months. If you don't want to deal with that, I recommend using other subclasses such as Void or Arc. Stasis is kinda fun if you use shatter for damage.
Edit: spelling and grammer.
I like having this but didn’t datto do this like a week ago?
Banner shield also works well when you need more protection than raw damage, maybe some grandmaster content.
I was under the assumption (and had been told multiple times by others, didn't bother to check for myself) that divinity's 15% debuff overrides any 30% debuff for as long as the bubble is up, is that not the case?
Ok, I have a Q. If I use a solar weapon during a solar activity modifier activity will I still get a buff from running leg surge mods?
i jus frow gunades nd shooty my gun at enemy :)
Next, they should add/clarify/specify what minor, major, and boss enemies are for the weapon mods.
What about activity modifiers (column 3) and armor surges (colkumn 2)? Do those buffs stack? What I mean is: When I'm using a solar weapon with solar surge mods on my armor while being in an activity with solar surge, do I do more damage?
Yes they'll stack.🙂
Well is powerful, I understand. But how do we make that gameplay loop fun?
Theoretical citans buff- be able to shoot out bubble?
Yes
I legit didnt even know about those mods on the legs. I was out of the game when they overhauled the mods so i had no idea lol
Also, for all div players; run a auto loading/lasting impression rocket
Fire rocket, swap to div n the rocket wont detonate till you got div bubble up, & when you hear the rocket load, swap, fire, go back to div
I out dps my firetime doing things
This is only a good idea if you're using the (recently discovered) quickswap tech to make sure the div bubble doesn't fall off. Otherwise you can't get enough handling and the bubble will fall off, which will annoy your fireteam.
There's also not really any particular reason to use Lasting Impression, just pack an Explosive Light or BnS rocket instead (granted ALH/BNS doesn't exist, you'd need to use Reconstruction Apex; ALH/Explosive Hothead would be an easier alternative in this case, no need to manage a third weapon). Additionally, unless it's something like Ir Yut where the bigger hitbox is really important, it's kinda hard to justify Div over Tractor Cannon even with this tech in mind--you can do a lot of damage on triple shotgun swap and TC's debuff is bigger.
@life-destiny1196 the point of lasting is it gives 20% more damage Nd you can have the div bubble up by the time the rocket detonates
@spiderken3102 Two issues. For players that don't already do something like this, they won't be remotely fast enough to warrant dropping the div bubble for the whole team and it's a great way to make everyone mad at you. For the players like me, you already stack swap mods to shoot before the div bubble falls off, and can keep the bubble going before it breaks. Lasting impression is good on rockets that don't get ex light like hezen, but LI doesn't buff Wolfpack rounds like explosive light or BnS
@life-destiny1196 Bosses that give a major benefit to using div: consecrated mind, taniks, deathsingers, caretaker, rhulk, nezarec, and ir yut. So let's see that's GoS, DSC, VotD, RoN, KF and CE. What raids don't have major benefit to div? Oh yeah, only VoG. Saying "I don't see div being justified" sounds cool but you couldn't be more wrong. All of these bosses get better more reliable hitboxes with div and if you think a more reliable hit box isn't worth it when missing a single rocket drops 10% of your ENTIRE damage you're off your rocker
Are damage stacking buffs multiplicative or additive? So is well and full surge 47% increase or 53%?
Point of confusion: talking about columms 1-4 here referencing your dps formula gets confusing in comparison to columns1-5 for weapon traits. Especially since columns 3-5 of the weapons traita are what feeds into the col 3 miscellaneous buffs of the damage formula.