I feel like gatekeeping was worse in the mid 2000s than it is today. I used to have to hide some lighter bands I liked from some of my metal friends. 😅 As you get older you will start to not care about gatekeepers at all. At least I don't now. 🤷 Listen to whatever you want! 😊
I feel the same way! Now our generation has grown up and our generation doesn't consist of as many elitists and gatekeepers as the previous generation. At least I don't see it anymore. Mid 2000 there were always people arguing over genre definitions and how metalcore and deathcore supposedly aren't metal. Lol
It really hasn’t changed from my experience I’m given a hard time for listening to musicals Celine deon and lofi by exclusive 30-40 year old metal listeners
back when I was a teen and young adult, I used be really into technical death metal and prog metal, so you can imagine how I gatekept... but I don't gatekeep anymore, cause I'm old and I just don't care, also I've gained a variety of taste in music but the moment you start attacking a band or genre I like, like deathcore or Lorna Shore(although I don't listen to them anymore), I honestly will shit all over your taste. lol
im 29 and i feel like i've watched the internet go from making fun of linkin park, to everyone admitting they were a hugely important and influential band lol (along with a lot of other bands, but thats an example)
i think many of us were gatekeeping shit back in the day. i was terrified that my scene friends would discover how much i enjoyed stuff like Sigur Ros just as much as i loved Job For A Cowboy. last night, me and one of my longtime friends from the scenexcore days blew a joint and listened to everything from Darko to Morgan Wallen (while wearing Hatebreed and Black Flag shirts) and we had a fucking blast. sometimes getting older and not giving a shit what anyone thinks is actually fantastic. don't pigeonhole your music tastes, friends! another banger of a video, Yan.
The metal and hardcore scenes are some of the most hostile places I've ever been a part of. I watched a guy knock another guy out cold while he seized and bled all over the floor. He looked at him and went right back to slam dancing. The band didnt even stop playing, and its not like it was out of view. Absolutely you can listen to whatever you like, but this scene is not all hugs and kisses like internet personalities keep trying to make it.
100% the hardcore scene especially here in Los Angeles is the worst. They preach all unity and friendship but they are some of the least friendly people you will ever meet. Always going to shows 10-15 deep trying to start fights with everyone who’s just there trying to enjoy a show.
Your channel actually turned me onto deathcore more and got me to quit the elitist/gatekeeping mindset. I pretty much only liked The Cleansing by Suicide Silence and a few Whitechapel songs. After your video on Thy Art Is Murder came out, it was my gateway to really getting into deathcore and enjoying it a lot
I'm in the same boat. I was a huge pop punk fan until I saw lovers in Ohio and smile in your sleep on MTV. Didn't got into metalcore and deathcore in my late teens. Nowadays, I'm open with all kind of music.
Great video. Thank you for that. It's very sad that videos like this one still have to be made in 2024. I'm 45 years old, but I keep my eyes open for new artists instead of sticking to those bands which were important for me when I was a teenager or a young adult. In my case the 90s and early 2000s.
I totally agree with this I’ve always listened to heavy music. And I love heavy music . But my favorite artist is Anthony Green and circa survive. Idk to me there is more to music than just the scene itself
Love it man. I am a deathcore dude through and through but that didn’t stop me from going and singing my fucking voice away for some beartooth this weekend 😂😂
a bit late, but it's the same for me. I'm 16yo rn and when I was like 4-5 years younger, I would have never imagined listening to metal, then I started listening to Linkin Park, eventually found a song from Bring me the Horizon, that I loved, continued to listen to metal for a longer time; fast forward to the start of 2024, I've recently gotten into Black Metal These bands, that aren't as heavy, but still metal are getting people like me and you into the heavier types of metal and gatekeepers ruin that
Great video, my dude! I think the issue with gatekeeping will forever be a debacle within the metal/hardcore community. I even see it on the Hip-Hop and EDM side as well. There's always gonna be one side that will call you a poser and the other side that's not gonna give a shit. There's always gonna be one side that doesn't wanna see a band/artist get big and the other side that wants to see these bands/artists blow up and have success. There's always gonna be that one side that's gonna belittle you for not purely listening to brutal music and the other side, again, doesn't give a shit what you listen too. Ect. Ect. I've been in the scene my whole life and it's frustrating to see people constantly bicker about this because I find it pointless. I personally believe you should be excited and help support these bands/artists blow up and listen to whatever music you want to listen too. I'm a deathcore/hardcore kid through and through but, Motion City Soundtrack is one of my all time favorite bands and they're nowhere close to the heavy side of music. Keep up the great work and conversations to bring to the scene. 🤘
Facts! I got tore to shreds in a comment I made on a video from INGROWN (incredible hardcore band from Idaho) and made the apparently the mistake of saying "come to Oklahoma again soon! we love our country music and our metal equally here!" Ingrown hit "like" on it but the replies were a bunch of elitists informing me that Ingrown is hardcore; not metal. well EXCUSE ME. 😂
@@ghost_to_a_ghost I've experienced that scenario MANY a times over the course of my life 🤣 I mean... Come on... Ingrown in more metal than most metal bands. Sure they derive from the hardcore scene but, you can't tell me that they have metal influences. People are so weird.
You wouldn't have half of the sub-genres of metal or metal music as a whole if it wasn't for gatekeeping. Each new generation rebels against the last and is especially said in terms of musical tastes & trends. Its a natural cycle of progression, met with inevitable conflict, but the end result is new and interesting music. Gatekeeping can be overdone in a harmful way but through creative expression it can also channel new types of music never imagined before.
Fair enough , I get it. Discussions are important to make things evolve but at the same time, there's a better way to do it than insulting and shaming people who love a "more popular band" I think
It's also elitism. I try to ask new metal fans to describe the styles they like then i go through my vast knowledge of metal and show them many bands to see what they like. It's a fun challenge. I learned not to gatekeep when i met a buddy who's variety was like mine and his softer music likes were like mine and i understood.
I think, " this isn't metal" and " this isn't metal, therefore I hate it" are completely different. I actually like argueing about genre, as long as it stays rational. For example, I applaud Sleep Token for doing something completely new. Yes, they aren't metal in my eyes, and this is why they are so interesting to me. To me, the metal scene and the "core" scene are fundamentally different, one coming from Black Sabbath, the other from Hardcore Punk. Both are valid and great, but not the same. I think, many people mistake a genre debate for hate. They interpret what has been said, instead of just listening/reading what has actually been talked about. I don't see any issue in claiming that " BMTH isn't metal", as long as you explain yourself and stay rational. Example: to me, Deathcore is part of the " core" scene, not the metal scene, because the hardcore parts of their sound usually outnumber the metal aspects of their sound. They are, to me, usually closer to Earth Crisis than to Judas Priest, therefore it's hardcore with metal elements. Vice versa, Suffocation is what happens if you introduce Hardcore elements into Deathmetal. Doesn't mean at all that I dislike Deathcore, far from it. I love most of it! But I also love Grunge and wouldn't call it metal either.
Yes, fair enough ! I mostly meant shaming and hating someone for their music taste is a bad thing.. but discussions and arguments can be very interesting for sure !
I mean, I don't hate Sleep Token because they aren't metal, I hate them because they are bad. There is a difference. I listen to country music all the time as a metalhead, not the crappy pop-country, real country music. I listen to Rush. They aren't metal but they are one of my favorite bands
Anyone should be allowed to listen to music of however low quality they want and it's not for us to judge them for it. Just don't listen to music you don't appreciate and that's it. There are no bad styles, there are only bad bands. For every band like Attack Attack there's an Erra and for every Waking the Cadaver there's a Fit for an Autopsy
No, gatekeeping is necessary. It keeps the vibrant culture at shows. Love newer bands sticking to the roots and continuing to play with old school aggression. I don't want metal turning into radio rock
Gatekeeping is going to be the death of the genre. If there is no one to take on the mantle after all the greats are dead it'll die too. All this gatekeeping makes everyone want to avoid the genre like the plague. It's hard to get people to even listen to it when their first impression is an angry person ranting and raving about how superior they are to everyone else.
@@xeyesofstardustx If someone calling your favourite pop rock band not metal turns you away from metal than you probably didn't really care for the genre. Being metal also doesn't make music superior just so you know.
I was definitely a hater back in the day. I would hide the fact that I liked attack attack and Emmure for some reason? I guess because metal gatekeepers didn’t like it? I’m not sure but I love both of them openly.
I mean they aren't what people think of as traditional metal, and it absolutely is pop influenced and that's perfectly okay to say as a standalone idea. What's not okay to say is that somebody is a poser for lsitening to them
YESS. I'm so damn tired of the Slayer fans who've been listening to the same sh*t for the past 20 years spit on new fans or new bands. There's a ton of good stuff these days and the metal scene changed a lot for the past 30 years... Might wanna keep track a little bit!
Yan just spitting straight facts. I've learned in my life that you shouldn't shame someone for their taste in music, gatekeeping also means you're closing yourself off from other artists and genres, and you never know if you're gonna miss out on your next favorite banger, and it probably won't be the next brutal slamming death metal single that has been regurgitated over the past 20 years
Then why do no other large genres have gatekeepers? Last time I checked, Midwest Emo fans don’t gatekeep Brakence for mixing it with hyperpop. Country fans don’t gatekeep Jellyroll. EDM fans don’t gatekeep deadmau5 or Skrillex.
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hey, just saw one of your videos in my recommendations and am sitting with my partner got his attention because your covering a bunch of his favorite bands , especially in the deathcore/death metal scene hes born in 1989 me in 1990 we didn't know each other growing up; funny enough hes an Anglo Quebequer and I'm Franco Ontarian having both lived our teen years on the boarder of Ottawa and Gatineau and having extremely small scenes of music for any scene , lack of venues, support in art as the capital but whatever that's an other story i grew up into skate punk then by grade seven i was hard into korn kittie slipknot system of a down lol still love limp bizket that made me want to find more so the internet i travelled right . these more mainstream or successful to media maybe bands are so necessary to branching out and exploring and finding your own individuality i got into punk by grade 9 and like its the same thing with punks i got so over that whole clique bully mentality like my name name is such and such i don't identify as a music genre i remember i said word once to agree with whatever one of my so called teen punk friends said and there began the beginning of me failing the entrance exam to this community of basically bullies aha we def feel the same listening to music despite its genre being able to see passed that and finding whatever makes me groove is so huge to the person i am today i couldn't see myself now in my early 30s bullying kids for wearing a band shirt aha like wtf
I'm not a fan of sleep token or bad omens but I give them a lot of credit for what they do. I enjoy all types of metal because it's great to have a selection
I started out with Linkin Park, Breaking Benjamin, Rise Against and Slipknot. Then I discovered Heaven Shall Burn, Parkway Drive and I Killed The Prom Queen. Afterwards I digged deeper and discovered every metal genre and recognized that there are good bands in each of them. Now I listen to everything.. Nu Metal, Slam, Power Metal. Whatever. If it's good it's good 😄👍
I mean 40 year old metal dudes hating on newer and more "accessible" stuff is one thing, a lot of people unfortunately fall out of touch as they get older and instead of trying to understand new trends etc they just hate on them because its different from what they are used to. But imo the saddest part is when you see 16 and 17 year old kids acting like those out of touch 40 year old metalheads, hating on newer and more accessible music and of course talking shit to all the fans of that kind of music. It might sound odd to some people but yes that is actually happening and I have encountered it on multiple occasions.
To be honest I don't feel that there was a tremendous amount of innovation in the last 15 years in the metal genre. Maybe Djent but everything else including slam already existed back then. There's nothing "new" I dislike. I mean is there even something completely new?
@@TimmyTurner421 I'd say newer metal is mostly combining elements and pushing extremes to try and make something new, so in that sense yeah there is nothing completely new and 100% original its almost impossible at this point and I would even argue that its the case for music as a whole not just metal. But that wasnt my point at all tho in the original comment.
It's kinda why I try to stay off the sites where all the fans congregate. I don't need to be told what a poser I am from X or Y reason. It's annoying and it makes me wanna take all my CDs and throw 'em in the garbage and never listen to them again. I won't but it just sucks all the joy the music brings me.
To me, unless you have range in your tastes, you’re one note. And yeah, NO good metal bands listen to metal all the time. More opinion videos would be sick 🤘
Can't lie. I've been guilty of it myself. Been going to shows for 15 years. I listen to what I listen to. Heavy music. But listen to whatever you'd like. It doesn't matter. As you get older, music tastes change a little anyway.
I will say, I miss when metal was actually like tough guy music. Like tattoos today are associated with softies and modeling As opposed to rebels, bikers etc. Whitechapel vocalist was saying something similar on a podcast recently. I don’t necessarily want this music to be “relevant” Personally. Relevancy opens the doorway for commercializing and politicizing everything
Metal is supposed to be unwelcoming to anyone who isn't one of them. But once you drop in the pit you become one of them, in the pit you are brothers. Metal shows are special BECAUSE they are hostile. My first pit I met 3 new friends. Was awesome
Counter thought. As a post-gatekeeper, I no longer care. However. I have zero interest in conversation when the person espousing to have equal or great interests in the genre, then proves to in fact not actually. I meet more surface level fans irl then not. Makes me not want to discuss music at all with people. Cool that they're supporting those bands, its just hard seeing lesser known bands who deserve equal respect and attention get overshadowed.
That's not gatekeeping, that's conforming to the definition. There is absolutely NOTHING metal about Taylor Swift. The thing that they have in common with the most is that they're angsty.
Saying Sleep Token is overrated isn't "gatekeeping". That's just a valid opinion which i agree with. Saying "you don't listen to REAL metal" for liking them is gatekeep. I would never say that because they are metal. Ghost is another excellent example. Personally I cant stand them but im not shaming or putting anyone down for it
I swear the people defending gatekeeping in this comment section are coming across as way more pretentious than they realise. Too many to respond to, honestly not worth it. For the people curious; there is a lot of built in assumptions that people just run with that stem from a bad combination of in group/out group psychology and propping up questionable social constructs as though they are facts of reality.
I remember how 12 years ago everyone was correcting and lecturing everyone about metal genres and how metalcore and deathcore ain't metal. Nowadays I don't see that anymore
How can you call yourself a metalhead if you dont listen to (or maybe even know) a single OG death metal or black metal band? I bet you dont even listen to modern bands of these extreme non core genres, which are better produced and in general easier to digest than the OG ones. If you only listen to deathcore and metalcore, you are definitely not a metalhead. Even though some deathcore/metalcore bands are decent, it doesnt mean that every band of the genre is metal, just because it has "metal" in its name. Gatekeeping is necessary, as metal isnt supposed to be for everyone and deathcore/metalcore is definitely way easier to listen to than everything else that came before these genres, thats why this Z generation only listen to these genres.
Not that I dislike bad omes or sleep token, I just make it very open that I don’t agree or like their sounds, if they bring people into metal I don’t have a problem
I heard that for some reason rap and trap fans can easily get into slam because of the groove of slam songs. How do you feel about brutal slamming death metal?
You have gatekeeping in every community and it's so annoying, especially as a female perceived person. Some guys basically quiz and test you lol. And then they go "but you don't watch One Piece, you are not a fan!" 🙄 Same with music and other subcultures and all.
I can see why sleep token would appeal to so many people. Especially with the mysticism surrounding the unknown band members. I feel like more band members should keep a low profile on social media because it kinda destroys the illusion if you know everything about them. I don't need to know what Nergal ate for breakfast or which political party Travis Ryan votes for. Anyways, I feel like Sleep Token is so painfully slow at the wrong moments like the talent is there but the songwriting ruins it for me.
i love you bro but gatekeeping keeps the core of stuff alive, you cant tell me that bmth isnt pop hahaha, this video makes good arguments though, as a skater i just cant stop gatekeeping just look how horrible the skate scene is right now all because of this perception that we should welcome everyone into a scene when most of the time they aren't even interested in it for real
Gatekeeping does not allow for growth, it is a stagnation of a fanbase because no one is allowed in except the ones that already are in. Also, you can't tell me bmth conforms to any genre of music
As if anyone cares about her opinion. Some people feel like they're somehow important but in reality they're irrelevant and nobody cares about their views
@@symptomofsouls this person says "heavy pop". I have noticed that a lot of gatekeepers act like all there is is pop and metal in a very black and white sense.
I feel like gatekeeping was worse in the mid 2000s than it is today. I used to have to hide some lighter bands I liked from some of my metal friends. 😅 As you get older you will start to not care about gatekeepers at all. At least I don't now. 🤷 Listen to whatever you want! 😊
I feel the same way! Now our generation has grown up and our generation doesn't consist of as many elitists and gatekeepers as the previous generation. At least I don't see it anymore. Mid 2000 there were always people arguing over genre definitions and how metalcore and deathcore supposedly aren't metal. Lol
It really hasn’t changed from my experience I’m given a hard time for listening to musicals Celine deon and lofi by exclusive 30-40 year old metal listeners
back when I was a teen and young adult, I used be really into technical death metal and prog metal, so you can imagine how I gatekept... but I don't gatekeep anymore, cause I'm old and I just don't care, also I've gained a variety of taste in music but the moment you start attacking a band or genre I like, like deathcore or Lorna Shore(although I don't listen to them anymore), I honestly will shit all over your taste. lol
im 29 and i feel like i've watched the internet go from making fun of linkin park, to everyone admitting they were a hugely important and influential band lol (along with a lot of other bands, but thats an example)
i think many of us were gatekeeping shit back in the day. i was terrified that my scene friends would discover how much i enjoyed stuff like Sigur Ros just as much as i loved Job For A Cowboy. last night, me and one of my longtime friends from the scenexcore days blew a joint and listened to everything from Darko to Morgan Wallen (while wearing Hatebreed and Black Flag shirts) and we had a fucking blast. sometimes getting older and not giving a shit what anyone thinks is actually fantastic. don't pigeonhole your music tastes, friends! another banger of a video, Yan.
The metal and hardcore scenes are some of the most hostile places I've ever been a part of. I watched a guy knock another guy out cold while he seized and bled all over the floor. He looked at him and went right back to slam dancing. The band didnt even stop playing, and its not like it was out of view. Absolutely you can listen to whatever you like, but this scene is not all hugs and kisses like internet personalities keep trying to make it.
100% the hardcore scene especially here in Los Angeles is the worst. They preach all unity and friendship but they are some of the least friendly people you will ever meet. Always going to shows 10-15 deep trying to start fights with everyone who’s just there trying to enjoy a show.
Your channel actually turned me onto deathcore more and got me to quit the elitist/gatekeeping mindset. I pretty much only liked The Cleansing by Suicide Silence and a few Whitechapel songs. After your video on Thy Art Is Murder came out, it was my gateway to really getting into deathcore and enjoying it a lot
I'm in the same boat. I was a huge pop punk fan until I saw lovers in Ohio and smile in your sleep on MTV. Didn't got into metalcore and deathcore in my late teens. Nowadays, I'm open with all kind of music.
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@@michaelfear4801 It's my new merch for the channel ! I'm working on clothing, mugs etc 😤🤘🏻🔥
@@xtheyan sick! haha love it
Great video. Thank you for that. It's very sad that videos like this one still have to be made in 2024. I'm 45 years old, but I keep my eyes open for new artists instead of sticking to those bands which were important for me when I was a teenager or a young adult. In my case the 90s and early 2000s.
Love the Dylan Gossett shoutout - always nice to see other heavy music fans that like this stuff too!
I totally agree with this I’ve always listened to heavy music. And I love heavy music . But my favorite artist is Anthony Green and circa survive. Idk to me there is more to music than just the scene itself
Love it man. I am a deathcore dude through and through but that didn’t stop me from going and singing my fucking voice away for some beartooth this weekend 😂😂
I absolutely LOVE Beartooth !!
@@xtheyan incredible band especially live!!
a bit late, but it's the same for me. I'm 16yo rn and when I was like 4-5 years younger, I would have never imagined listening to metal, then I started listening to Linkin Park, eventually found a song from Bring me the Horizon, that I loved, continued to listen to metal for a longer time; fast forward to the start of 2024, I've recently gotten into Black Metal
These bands, that aren't as heavy, but still metal are getting people like me and you into the heavier types of metal and gatekeepers ruin that
Great video, my dude! I think the issue with gatekeeping will forever be a debacle within the metal/hardcore community. I even see it on the Hip-Hop and EDM side as well. There's always gonna be one side that will call you a poser and the other side that's not gonna give a shit. There's always gonna be one side that doesn't wanna see a band/artist get big and the other side that wants to see these bands/artists blow up and have success. There's always gonna be that one side that's gonna belittle you for not purely listening to brutal music and the other side, again, doesn't give a shit what you listen too. Ect. Ect. I've been in the scene my whole life and it's frustrating to see people constantly bicker about this because I find it pointless. I personally believe you should be excited and help support these bands/artists blow up and listen to whatever music you want to listen too. I'm a deathcore/hardcore kid through and through but, Motion City Soundtrack is one of my all time favorite bands and they're nowhere close to the heavy side of music.
Keep up the great work and conversations to bring to the scene. 🤘
Facts! I got tore to shreds in a comment I made on a video from INGROWN (incredible hardcore band from Idaho) and made the apparently the mistake of saying "come to Oklahoma again soon! we love our country music and our metal equally here!" Ingrown hit "like" on it but the replies were a bunch of elitists informing me that Ingrown is hardcore; not metal. well EXCUSE ME. 😂
@@ghost_to_a_ghost I've experienced that scenario MANY a times over the course of my life 🤣 I mean... Come on... Ingrown in more metal than most metal bands. Sure they derive from the hardcore scene but, you can't tell me that they have metal influences.
People are so weird.
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I got my friend into metalcore with BMTH, Bad Omens or I Prevail. Now we go to many different concerts together 👉🏻👈🏻
Loved this video. Keep more like this coming. Great job Yan
Thanks !! 🤘🏻
You wouldn't have half of the sub-genres of metal or metal music as a whole if it wasn't for gatekeeping. Each new generation rebels against the last and is especially said in terms of musical tastes & trends. Its a natural cycle of progression, met with inevitable conflict, but the end result is new and interesting music. Gatekeeping can be overdone in a harmful way but through creative expression it can also channel new types of music never imagined before.
Fair enough , I get it. Discussions are important to make things evolve but at the same time, there's a better way to do it than insulting and shaming people who love a "more popular band" I think
@@xtheyan just giving a different perspective. Always love you & your channel brother ❤️
Let’s keep our community open for anyone. You either like something or not. Just don’t force your opinion on others. Great video as always 😊
It's also elitism. I try to ask new metal fans to describe the styles they like then i go through my vast knowledge of metal and show them many bands to see what they like. It's a fun challenge. I learned not to gatekeep when i met a buddy who's variety was like mine and his softer music likes were like mine and i understood.
When I was younger I had to hide the fact that I liked rancid and nofx cause the older punks called it poser shit. Gatekeeping will always be a thing.
Love your content man! Keep at the good work! Love from Finland
My first 3 metal bands were slipknot, trivium and chimaira because a video game i bought when i was 11 called Infected on the PSP
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Almonds ARE bad
I think, " this isn't metal" and " this isn't metal, therefore I hate it" are completely different. I actually like argueing about genre, as long as it stays rational. For example, I applaud Sleep Token for doing something completely new. Yes, they aren't metal in my eyes, and this is why they are so interesting to me.
To me, the metal scene and the "core" scene are fundamentally different, one coming from Black Sabbath, the other from Hardcore Punk. Both are valid and great, but not the same. I think, many people mistake a genre debate for hate. They interpret what has been said, instead of just listening/reading what has actually been talked about. I don't see any issue in claiming that " BMTH isn't metal", as long as you explain yourself and stay rational.
Example: to me, Deathcore is part of the " core" scene, not the metal scene, because the hardcore parts of their sound usually outnumber the metal aspects of their sound. They are, to me, usually closer to Earth Crisis than to Judas Priest, therefore it's hardcore with metal elements. Vice versa, Suffocation is what happens if you introduce Hardcore elements into Deathmetal. Doesn't mean at all that I dislike Deathcore, far from it. I love most of it!
But I also love Grunge and wouldn't call it metal either.
Modern deathcore is so far removed from hardcore punk influence and has so much pop influence it might as well be its own thing called pop metal
Yes, fair enough ! I mostly meant shaming and hating someone for their music taste is a bad thing.. but discussions and arguments can be very interesting for sure !
@@goobingtons deathcore has loads of death metal influence
I mean, I don't hate Sleep Token because they aren't metal, I hate them because they are bad. There is a difference.
I listen to country music all the time as a metalhead, not the crappy pop-country, real country music. I listen to Rush. They aren't metal but they are one of my favorite bands
@symptomofsouls I really don't get how you think they're not metal the have screaming distorted guitars that's metal idk what to tell you
Gatekeeping is the most hipster shit ever
Anyone should be allowed to listen to music of however low quality they want and it's not for us to judge them for it. Just don't listen to music you don't appreciate and that's it. There are no bad styles, there are only bad bands. For every band like Attack Attack there's an Erra and for every Waking the Cadaver there's a Fit for an Autopsy
No, gatekeeping is necessary. It keeps the vibrant culture at shows. Love newer bands sticking to the roots and continuing to play with old school aggression. I don't want metal turning into radio rock
Get tf over it.
Gatekeeping is going to be the death of the genre. If there is no one to take on the mantle after all the greats are dead it'll die too.
All this gatekeeping makes everyone want to avoid the genre like the plague. It's hard to get people to even listen to it when their first impression is an angry person ranting and raving about how superior they are to everyone else.
@@xeyesofstardustx If someone calling your favourite pop rock band not metal turns you away from metal than you probably didn't really care for the genre. Being metal also doesn't make music superior just so you know.
Fun fact the vocalist of Bad Omens used to be in a beatdown band called Immoralist and they’re heavy asffffff
Bad Almonds crew. 🎉
People have to GROW UP, that's all.
I don't specially like clean vocals in metal but I listen to some of these bands.
I was definitely a hater back in the day. I would hide the fact that I liked attack attack and Emmure for some reason? I guess because metal gatekeepers didn’t like it? I’m not sure but I love both of them openly.
Well Attack Attack and Emmure were some of the least cool bands you could be listening to back then
I mean they aren't what people think of as traditional metal, and it absolutely is pop influenced and that's perfectly okay to say as a standalone idea. What's not okay to say is that somebody is a poser for lsitening to them
YESS. I'm so damn tired of the Slayer fans who've been listening to the same sh*t for the past 20 years spit on new fans or new bands. There's a ton of good stuff these days and the metal scene changed a lot for the past 30 years... Might wanna keep track a little bit!
Yan just spitting straight facts.
I've learned in my life that you shouldn't shame someone for their taste in music, gatekeeping also means you're closing yourself off from other artists and genres, and you never know if you're gonna miss out on your next favorite banger, and it probably won't be the next brutal slamming death metal single that has been regurgitated over the past 20 years
Gatekeeping is necessary. You don't have to be an asshole about it for sure but without it the genre will lose it's identity.
Then why do no other large genres have gatekeepers? Last time I checked, Midwest Emo fans don’t gatekeep Brakence for mixing it with hyperpop.
Country fans don’t gatekeep Jellyroll.
EDM fans don’t gatekeep deadmau5 or Skrillex.
@@ryanbollinger1759Skrillex was to the dubstep scene as deathcore was to the death metal scene
It’s never necessary. Fuck identity.
Hey man I love the content keep up the good work you deserve more subs because your content is high quality. Also your accent is very cool and very relaxing
Great video! I just wanted to mention that omens is pronounced like oh-mens! Keep doing what you’re doing! 🤘
hey, just saw one of your videos in my recommendations and am sitting with my partner got his attention because your covering a bunch of his favorite bands , especially in the deathcore/death metal scene hes born in 1989 me in 1990 we didn't know each other growing up; funny enough hes an Anglo Quebequer and I'm Franco Ontarian having both lived our teen years on the boarder of Ottawa and Gatineau and having extremely small scenes of music for any scene , lack of venues, support in art as the capital but whatever that's an other story i grew up into skate punk then by grade seven i was hard into korn kittie slipknot system of a down lol still love limp bizket that made me want to find more so the internet i travelled right . these more mainstream or successful to media maybe bands are so necessary to branching out and exploring and finding your own individuality i got into punk by grade 9 and like its the same thing with punks i got so over that whole clique bully mentality like my name name is such and such i don't identify as a music genre i remember i said word once to agree with whatever one of my so called teen punk friends said and there began the beginning of me failing the entrance exam to this community of basically bullies aha we def feel the same listening to music despite its genre being able to see passed that and finding whatever makes me groove is so huge to the person i am today i couldn't see myself now in my early 30s bullying kids for wearing a band shirt aha like wtf
But sleep token are by definition not Metal? ....
How are they by definition not metal care to explain?
It's fucked up that people say "music has no emotion" then when something with emotion like bad omens for example comes out people shit all over it.
Gatekeep gatekeeping
I'm not a fan of sleep token or bad omens but I give them a lot of credit for what they do. I enjoy all types of metal because it's great to have a selection
exactly !
4:49 wow, did NOT expect that
I mean its one thing to not fw a band but to go in grouos and talk shit is just ridiculous
I started out with Linkin Park, Breaking Benjamin, Rise Against and Slipknot. Then I discovered Heaven Shall Burn, Parkway Drive and I Killed The Prom Queen. Afterwards I digged deeper and discovered every metal genre and recognized that there are good bands in each of them. Now I listen to everything.. Nu Metal, Slam, Power Metal. Whatever. If it's good it's good 😄👍
I mean 40 year old metal dudes hating on newer and more "accessible" stuff is one thing, a lot of people unfortunately fall out of touch as they get older and instead of trying to understand new trends etc they just hate on them because its different from what they are used to. But imo the saddest part is when you see 16 and 17 year old kids acting like those out of touch 40 year old metalheads, hating on newer and more accessible music and of course talking shit to all the fans of that kind of music. It might sound odd to some people but yes that is actually happening and I have encountered it on multiple occasions.
To be honest I don't feel that there was a tremendous amount of innovation in the last 15 years in the metal genre. Maybe Djent but everything else including slam already existed back then. There's nothing "new" I dislike. I mean is there even something completely new?
@@TimmyTurner421 I'd say newer metal is mostly combining elements and pushing extremes to try and make something new, so in that sense yeah there is nothing completely new and 100% original its almost impossible at this point and I would even argue that its the case for music as a whole not just metal. But that wasnt my point at all tho in the original comment.
It's kinda why I try to stay off the sites where all the fans congregate. I don't need to be told what a poser I am from X or Y reason. It's annoying and it makes me wanna take all my CDs and throw 'em in the garbage and never listen to them again. I won't but it just sucks all the joy the music brings me.
louder for the people in the back 📢
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To me, unless you have range in your tastes, you’re one note. And yeah, NO good metal bands listen to metal all the time.
More opinion videos would be sick 🤘
5:36 love it
Can't lie. I've been guilty of it myself. Been going to shows for 15 years. I listen to what I listen to. Heavy music. But listen to whatever you'd like. It doesn't matter. As you get older, music tastes change a little anyway.
I will say, I miss when metal was actually like tough guy music. Like tattoos today are associated with softies and modeling As opposed to rebels, bikers etc. Whitechapel vocalist was saying something similar on a podcast recently. I don’t necessarily want this music to be “relevant” Personally. Relevancy opens the doorway for commercializing and politicizing everything
Metal is supposed to be unwelcoming to anyone who isn't one of them. But once you drop in the pit you become one of them, in the pit you are brothers. Metal shows are special BECAUSE they are hostile.
My first pit I met 3 new friends. Was awesome
Counter thought. As a post-gatekeeper, I no longer care. However. I have zero interest in conversation when the person espousing to have equal or great interests in the genre, then proves to in fact not actually. I meet more surface level fans irl then not. Makes me not want to discuss music at all with people. Cool that they're supporting those bands, its just hard seeing lesser known bands who deserve equal respect and attention get overshadowed.
At least a bit of gatekeeping is good, otherwise definitions have no meaning. Otherwise I can call Taylor Swift metal if I wanted to.
That's not gatekeeping, that's conforming to the definition. There is absolutely NOTHING metal about Taylor Swift. The thing that they have in common with the most is that they're angsty.
@@neolbioldey isn’t conforming to a definition, albeit a rigid one, exactly what gatekeepers do? Except be a bit of an a** about it?
@@Dhavroch no, gatekeepers bend the definition to make it the way they see it
@@neolbioldeywhere is the line then? At what point does music become metal?
@@symptomofsouls music becomes metal from a consensus of a wide majority of people. It's not a clear transition
Saying Sleep Token is overrated isn't "gatekeeping". That's just a valid opinion which i agree with. Saying "you don't listen to REAL metal" for liking them is gatekeep. I would never say that because they are metal.
Ghost is another excellent example. Personally I cant stand them but im not shaming or putting anyone down for it
I swear the people defending gatekeeping in this comment section are coming across as way more pretentious than they realise. Too many to respond to, honestly not worth it. For the people curious; there is a lot of built in assumptions that people just run with that stem from a bad combination of in group/out group psychology and propping up questionable social constructs as though they are facts of reality.
I remember how 12 years ago everyone was correcting and lecturing everyone about metal genres and how metalcore and deathcore ain't metal. Nowadays I don't see that anymore
Deathcore fans are the elitists now sadly
DYWTYLM is my favorite song as well
How can you call yourself a metalhead if you dont listen to (or maybe even know) a single OG death metal or black metal band? I bet you dont even listen to modern bands of these extreme non core genres, which are better produced and in general easier to digest than the OG ones. If you only listen to deathcore and metalcore, you are definitely not a metalhead. Even though some deathcore/metalcore bands are decent, it doesnt mean that every band of the genre is metal, just because it has "metal" in its name. Gatekeeping is necessary, as metal isnt supposed to be for everyone and deathcore/metalcore is definitely way easier to listen to than everything else that came before these genres, thats why this Z generation only listen to these genres.
Lorna Shore overrated?? WHAT?! I am laughing on the outside but crying on the inside, because WHHHAAAATTTTTTT??????????????????????
Look I like Lorna Shore but they are overrated.
Not that I dislike bad omes or sleep token, I just make it very open that I don’t agree or like their sounds, if they bring people into metal I don’t have a problem
Great video 💯📸 cheers from Chardon ohio.
8 minutes of real facts
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I mostly listen to Rock/Metal music. But ngtl I like Rap and Pop music even. Tbh. I'll go from listening to old school BTMH to listening to Blink 182.
I heard that for some reason rap and trap fans can easily get into slam because of the groove of slam songs. How do you feel about brutal slamming death metal?
@@TimmyTurner421"how do you feel about brutal slamming death metal?" lol. Yeah, how do you feel about gorenoise?
Make 1 of
The Crimson Armada, in the midst of lions, i the breather, the great commission ,
You have gatekeeping in every community and it's so annoying, especially as a female perceived person. Some guys basically quiz and test you lol. And then they go "but you don't watch One Piece, you are not a fan!" 🙄
Same with music and other subcultures and all.
Hail to the metal ❤
Preach it louder for the slow people in the back!
I can see why sleep token would appeal to so many people. Especially with the mysticism surrounding the unknown band members. I feel like more band members should keep a low profile on social media because it kinda destroys the illusion if you know everything about them. I don't need to know what Nergal ate for breakfast or which political party Travis Ryan votes for. Anyways, I feel like Sleep Token is so painfully slow at the wrong moments like the talent is there but the songwriting ruins it for me.
cool
but genres are important and trying to blur the lines is weird
rock is a gateway to metal and still it's called rock
100% agree
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I think it’s ok to not like bad omens, sleep token, or anything by BMTH after suicide season also lol.
Yeah it ok, but don't shame people who do like those bands.
@@crystal95405I listen to girl pop who am I to shame someone about listened to soft metal lol
@@droppedf100 fair enough
i love you bro but gatekeeping keeps the core of stuff alive, you cant tell me that bmth isnt pop hahaha, this video makes good arguments though, as a skater i just cant stop gatekeeping just look how horrible the skate scene is right now all because of this perception that we should welcome everyone into a scene when most of the time they aren't even interested in it for real
Gatekeeping does not allow for growth, it is a stagnation of a fanbase because no one is allowed in except the ones that already are in.
Also, you can't tell me bmth conforms to any genre of music
tell that to skateboarding bro
bmth hasn't been good since 2013@@neolbioldey
@Necromass-pi2ih that's a matter of opinion, so I will not state what my stance on that is
Really good video 😊
Metal fans are the absolute worst fans of any genre on the planet, bar none. I'll take EDM kids, raps guys, even hippies over metal fans.
Actual can't even have a conversation with one without them bringing up metal and how any music after 19xx isn't real metal.
@@ch3fskiand how like 80% of metal is not real metal
I also listen to classical music
real
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It it keeps weak , shitty ideas out of something I love then call me a gatekeeper .
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Bro i saw a girl on tiktok that said the same Thing that sleep token is not metal or metal core or deathcore god Jesus Christ 😂
As if anyone cares about her opinion. Some people feel like they're somehow important but in reality they're irrelevant and nobody cares about their views
@@TimmyTurner421 fax 🤣
Those Bad Omens bits had me cringing. Go ahead and listen to it idc but oh boy just no. So bad.
Honestly, you don't really have to comment about a band you hate just saying "So bad" when the video isn't even centered around the band.
no one cares that you listen to the bands you mentioned, but they aren't metal. they are heavy pop.
So there is no such thing as rock?
yes but my statement stands those bands are more pop than rock.@@neolbioldey
@@neolbioldeyrock isn't metal. I like Rock music, but it's different
@@symptomofsouls this person says "heavy pop". I have noticed that a lot of gatekeepers act like all there is is pop and metal in a very black and white sense.
@@neolbioldey I wouldnt even consider sleep token to be rock tbf
Hell nah
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Bad Omin?
Bad Almonds
No.
Hell naw bruv
No