Yea, that is great when you can see the doctor in the same month... I vividly remember times where I had severe migraines, and the person working the call center at the clinic would tell me the only available appointment was a month or month and a half out. And as far as "pain management" I can tell you from first hand experience when I had a back and knee injury, that their only remedy for that was an ice pack, enough ibuprofen to kill a small elephant, and a pat on the back for good luck.
Will they kick you out if you have a prescription for certain drugs from a civilian doctor you've been seeing a long time prior to joining and continued to see after?
You have to tell the service what you’re taking prior to enlisting. If they allow you to take it the service will prescribe you the meds while you’re in. If it’s anything that will show up on a drug test then you can’t take it
No zero tolerance has been around since the early 90s its nothing new. There's been a lot of changes in the Navy and Marine Corps. They have gotten more restricted with policy and procedures. I was a Navy Recruit nearly 30 years ago. Those policies began when before I entered .
I agree with you there. I served in the US Navy from June of 1991 to June of 1995. We were told repeatedly that a positive result on a drug test would immediately result an Other Than Honorable Discharge from the military
Now I know why I was accused of having an adjustment disorder after having my arm partially paralyzed in a mortar attack, every training video portrays the female as the disciplinary issue. The men in my unit were sent to the hospital but I was given Tylenol and send back to work. No telling how much damage these "training videos" have caused to people who are innocent. I mean c'mon! If my soldier came in slurring their speech I would send them to medical to make sure they didn't suffer a head injury, not assume she's drunk because the men could smell her perfume.
This is a decent video, except for one big drawback!! What was the difference between Cooper and CPO EVANS! Did the CPO get CAPT MAST for the same reason?? The video doesn't specify what happened to the chief!!
This is a dumb video. Why? Because it demonstrates two things. 1. Prescription drug use (the intended topic) 2. A debatable failure of leadership. I'll explain below; Speaking as a veteran, prescription drug abuse shouldn't be tolerated in the services. That much I agree with. But, I also believe that the service places extremely high expectations of performance on individuals that, in this particular case, I believe the Navy would have lost more by discharging her than it would had it disciplined but retained her. There is a component to this that we are all human and make mistakes, sure, and I think that zero tolerance policies, generally, have their place. However, I think that some situations warrant further consideration. In this case you have a service member who, according to the video, has been thus far performing well, based on the expectations those around her have regarding her performance. Additionally, not only is she seeking to perform to a high standard, but working towards personal betterment by attending further education courses. At a time where motivated service members are hard to come by, I don't think it behooves the Navy to so quickly dismiss service members in this instance. It should be handled on a case by case basis. Second to this, while drug abuse in the service shouldn't be tolerated, I believe that many service members will go down this path, because the military's medical field is... for lack of a better description... a steaming pile of crap. More often than not, there is a legitimate reason for this kind of drug abuse within the armed forces, and it should warrant both investigation and consideration before showing the service member the door. Her leaders could have very easily gone down the route of being an advocate for some sort of medical treatment or counciling for her, rather than just setting her up to fail. This video demonstrated what I feel is poor judgement, on the part of the service member, and her leaders, nothing more.
Anthony Reid yes poor Anthony.... it’s too bad your father and mother raised you to be a victim! It is clear you were simply not good enough to be a sailor; maybe your next career as a jail bird will work out for you!
Fact and truth, brother !! I saw it first-hand... they get anything they want, with the help of fanrooms and knee pads. If you wear panties in a skirt you get the red carpet treatment, Fast-tracking in rank. The navy screwed up by letting them in to begin with P.s. Glad l'm out too... it's not like it used to be.
Why is a Chief lifting boxes? He has minions!
The production quality is outstanding! Very clean and crisp.
I have ADHD and I take Adderall. I dislike people abusing meds because if they get it banned it hurts people that really needs it
Using the Chief as an example, that's not really drug abuse, it's a bad judgement call.
Yea, that is great when you can see the doctor in the same month... I vividly remember times where I had severe migraines, and the person working the call center at the clinic would tell me the only available appointment was a month or month and a half out.
And as far as "pain management" I can tell you from first hand experience when I had a back and knee injury, that their only remedy for that was an ice pack, enough ibuprofen to kill a small elephant, and a pat on the back for good luck.
Feels.
I'm sure a Chief is going to lift a box like that. Get real.
We had a MM1 on my first ship who had three months to retire when he popped positive. Busted to E1, kicked out, lost his pension.
I guess most rules apply still.
That’s why you don’t try to make a career out of the military. One small mistake, your toast . And so are any benefits you may have had.
Yep, if you’re accused of anything you are automatically guilty in the eyes of your command and CID. It’s crazy
And they’ll do anything to win
I literally got my nose broken after a fight with my NCO that he started and I got NJP’d for it 😂😂, I loved the Army but damn....
Actually, if you get an Honorable the first time then re-up and sign up again then get kicked out you still get benefits from first enlistment.
Will they kick you out if you have a prescription for certain drugs from a civilian doctor you've been seeing a long time prior to joining and continued to see after?
Not normally. But if it starts to affect your performance they're definitely going to look at.
You have to tell the service what you’re taking prior to enlisting. If they allow you to take it the service will prescribe you the meds while you’re in. If it’s anything that will show up on a drug test then you can’t take it
They won’t kick you out if they let you in. As long as you’re taking prescription drugs without abusing them you’re fine
@@masieldubois6882 not true. They won’t let you come in with a script for pain killers for instance
Things must be different now, back when I was in I heard of nobody doing anything like this.
We had a guy pop for Cocaine. Occasional Marijuana use. Never had anyone busted popping pills, though.
U just didn’t know
You poor, sheltered child. I lost six promising sailors on account of creative chemicals.
@chaplainpaul5326 I don't think the intended humor came through. If you never saw any of this, then outstanding. I'd much rather no one did.
I deleted my reply. All’s good.
Yeah, let’s pop some Adderall; after the test, we’ll do some Ativan. ??? Wtf? Whole Navy is high!
“I took a few”....no wonder she was out of it
No zero tolerance has been around since the early 90s its nothing new. There's been a lot of changes in the Navy
and Marine Corps. They have gotten more restricted with policy and procedures. I was a Navy Recruit nearly
30 years ago. Those policies began when before I entered .
I agree with you there. I served in the US Navy from June of 1991 to June of 1995. We were told repeatedly that a positive result on a drug test would immediately result an Other Than Honorable Discharge from the military
They both should have been counselled but not separated.
She was an E-3, ergo, expendable. He is a CPO, ergo, not expendable.
Now I know why I was accused of having an adjustment disorder after having my arm partially paralyzed in a mortar attack, every training video portrays the female as the disciplinary issue. The men in my unit were sent to the hospital but I was given Tylenol and send back to work. No telling how much damage these "training videos" have caused to people who are innocent. I mean c'mon! If my soldier came in slurring their speech I would send them to medical to make sure they didn't suffer a head injury, not assume she's drunk because the men could smell her perfume.
This is a decent video, except for one big drawback!! What was the difference between Cooper and CPO EVANS! Did the CPO get CAPT MAST for the same reason?? The video doesn't specify what happened to the chief!!
Pills, not a smart thing to do.
She should have lied like everyone else.
This is a dumb video. Why? Because it demonstrates two things.
1. Prescription drug use (the intended topic)
2. A debatable failure of leadership. I'll explain below;
Speaking as a veteran, prescription drug abuse shouldn't be tolerated in the services. That much I agree with. But, I also believe that the service places extremely high expectations of performance on individuals that, in this particular case, I believe the Navy would have lost more by discharging her than it would had it disciplined but retained her.
There is a component to this that we are all human and make mistakes, sure, and I think that zero tolerance policies, generally, have their place. However, I think that some situations warrant further consideration. In this case you have a service member who, according to the video, has been thus far performing well, based on the expectations those around her have regarding her performance. Additionally, not only is she seeking to perform to a high standard, but working towards personal betterment by attending further education courses. At a time where motivated service members are hard to come by, I don't think it behooves the Navy to so quickly dismiss service members in this instance. It should be handled on a case by case basis.
Second to this, while drug abuse in the service shouldn't be tolerated, I believe that many service members will go down this path, because the military's medical field is... for lack of a better description... a steaming pile of crap. More often than not, there is a legitimate reason for this kind of drug abuse within the armed forces, and it should warrant both investigation and consideration before showing the service member the door. Her leaders could have very easily gone down the route of being an advocate for some sort of medical treatment or counciling for her, rather than just setting her up to fail.
This video demonstrated what I feel is poor judgement, on the part of the service member, and her leaders, nothing more.
Minorities and females get promoted in military and coached along thru their career. Glad I am out.
Anthony Reid yes poor Anthony.... it’s too bad your father and mother raised you to be a victim! It is clear you were simply not good enough to be a sailor; maybe your next career as a jail bird will work out for you!
Holy shit Tony! You are a racist and a misogynist. I'm sure you never considered that maybe, just maybe you were a turd while you were in?
Fucking pussy lol couldn’t keep up with the big dogs so you bitch about their race
Fact and truth, brother !! I saw it first-hand... they get anything they want, with the help of fanrooms and knee pads. If you wear panties in a skirt you get the red carpet treatment, Fast-tracking in rank. The navy screwed up by letting them in to begin with
P.s. Glad l'm out too... it's not like it used to be.
Not on my ship
Not in my Navy!