Can You Go Too Far With Plastic Surgery? | HasanAbi reacts
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- HasanAbi reacts to Can You Go Too Far With Plastic Surgery? | Spectrum by @jubilee. Are you okay with plastic surgeries or is social media pushing people nowadays to undergo plastic surgery? HasanAbi is not the biggest fan of plastic surgeries, but Hasan Piker thinks you have to distinguish between plastic surgery for cis people and trans people!
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Hearing Rei's experience was so sad... and conservatives still say people are trans for 'attention'. What attention bro? The constant bullying??
Yeah, that shit was fucking horrible. Don't even know how one would react hearing that shit from your own brothers. I did quite like how all of the women were so supportive of each other. Always nice to see.
@@Trillykins Yes I loved seeing the way they're all supportive of each other. It's wonderful
@@erwinadolf4010 she got unwanted attention
@@erwinadolf4010 How far down the right wing rabbit hole do you have to be to unironically think that people want to get bullied and deal with the consequences of that bullying
@@erwinadolf4010 What the fuck are you even getting at? Who wants that kind of attention?
So, Monique is a trans woman. She was on episode of botched. She began transition when there were no safe options, and got bad injections that resulted in inflammation and massive damage. This is why she looks the way she does. The episode is very emotional cuz she discusses how lack of medical help and acceptance pushed her to take risks that permanently hurt her
Oh wow so it’s even worse that chatters were using a disgusted face emote when she was on screen
Who asked though?
@@chumbue6537 i did.
@@chumbue6537 wHo AsKeD tHoUgH
that's Sadge man
This was like the most kind jubilee video I've ever seen. They're all so nice.
Naturally beautiful people will always say you shouldn’t get it.
@Matthew HermanThey're naturally beautiful because they were born with good genetics. "Accepting yourself" is such an empty thing when you could just improve yourself.
@@talksalot1111 ok but what is it about someone that would warrant ‘improvement’..
@@chou-4737fjswi Not sure what you're asking. If someone has a feature that puts them off they have the option to fix it. That's all there is to it.
Don't you hate it when conventionally attractive people tell someone who doesn't benefit from desirability politics that they should just accept themselves?
I'm just like shut the hell up. Being perceived as more attractive helps people. It's about social capital. HASAN should know that since he take medicine to keep his hair from falling out.
As a trans person I was concerned about his take until he specified that it’s a very cis conversation and is completely different in the trans realm. This is why I really like Hasan, he understands a lot more than most.
Also, gotta say he's fine af....
@@pchiare u need a Gatorade?
@@jamescharles5907 they meant when he was talking about the amount of plastics surgery done. Trans people would need to undergo a lot more because they are trans, where as cishet people doing a lot of surgey just for cosmetics is different.
@@jamescharles5907 This would require a novel to explain. Seriously look up people describing dysphoria and surgery to correct it. Also, a huge part of what the people in the video were talking about was that they weren't ugly before, they just like this better. You centered all of this on getting other people to treat them a certain way. None of my surgeries had anything to do with how anyone treats me. It's about how I feel about me and living in my body. Stop trying to find a way to be offended.
@@jamescharles5907 Oof you're one of those. My mistake talking to you. Turn off the internet, go outside, get therapy before you're too bitter to have a life.
i remember in a jubilee video where people debated over wearing makeup, hasan and his chat were really dismissive of this girl that didnt wear makeup, saying she looked sick or that she was jealous of other girls, now in this one its like i dont get why people are so insecure, idk probably bc people place a weird amount of importance on being "natural" while criticizing when someone actually is natural?
Yea I notice men often talk about how they prefer women without makeup while simultaneously making fun of women without makeup
the way hasan talked about that girl who chose not to wear makeup, even though she literally never put any of the other girls down, still bothers me tbh. she did literally nothing wrong, but suuurely its just a coincidence that they perceived someone who made a conscious choice not to wear makeup and appeal to beauty standards as a worse person.
@@Cream12345Ice I mean if you a girl and you got a pimple your nose ima call you Rudolf but it doesn’t mean I still don’t prefer natural. And like anything it’s not just black and white since attractiveness is subjective and has so many factors. Ngl some girls I find pretty and then after lunch the same day I’m like meh.
@@i___________i8472 How about just keep your opinion to yourself? Idk what's this mental gymnastics of "yeah you have no make up on, that's why you have visible flaws and I'm gonna make fun of those flaws, BUT that doesn't mean I don't like natural look". Don't you see that attitude discourage ppl from ever being comfortable going no makeup?
Sometimes I think most men don't even know what is the natural look and I blame marketing and make up gurus. Women are so good at covering up flaws that we invented zero makeup makeup looks goddamn. Being conventionally beautiful isn't effortless and I wish ppl stop making our faces and skills about themselves and their attraction to us? For women, it's damned if you do put on makeup bc you're trying too hard and probably a diva, however you're damned too, if you aren't born naturally flawless and still dare to show it bc then you're jealous of pretty girls and you think you're better for going bare faced. We're so tired dude. Let us live.
Yeah, pretty disappointing to be honest...
I love Hasan but the way he and his chat called Monique’s look disgusting and scary is sooo wrong. It doesn’t matter how she looks like, she is still a human being with feelings and emotions. Like you don’t think she would’ve been completely broken if she heard those comments? The stupidest thing he said was “she did that to herself” like....okayy and... It doesn’t give you an excuse to completely shit on a person’s appearance. There is NO excuse to shit on a person’s appearance.
But also, she didn't do it to herself. She's trans and got surgeries at a time when they weren't as safe and that resulted in a lot of inflammation and damage that wasn't intended.
Hasan is a leftist, but like other men no matter how much he is accepting of people doing what they like and achieving their dreams, there comes a time when you have to be true to yuor feelings. he like many others in chat including think monique over did that and sure, there might be people that like that sort of look but utimately i think it's fair to say most men don't. and honestly that's natural, i don't think you can blame hasan for being the way he is even tho he is one of the most accepting men out there. It's a natural part of being a male.
@@Indigo1559 Wow I didn’t know that. It’s honestly so sad that she went through that.
Look people clowning on Hasan misunderstanding a very key thing. Hasan would never legislate the way he feels. He would never force a women to be "natural" he believes in peoples freedom and unfortunately he has opinions and personal beliefs that people find repulsive. I personally am pretty neutral on it tbh as long as your happy you do you.
@@regisblessbin1937 no ones saying he had to be attracted to her, just be respectful. and it doesn’t matter if men are attracted to her or not, women shouldn’t have to be perceived as attractive to a man to deserve respect from him.
I definitely agree that influencers who are selling something on social media should be disclosing that they’ve had work done. But that chatter’s comment about feeling entitled to know if his partner has had work done was so deranged lol
Men sadly view us as property and feel entitled to know stuff like that from a stranger 🙄
That chatter maybe phrased that wrong, but i still think it's a fair matter. i think you should reveal anything that might break up the relationship at a later time and clear up any misunderstandings before they happen. Alot like a person should reveal they a person of transgender to the person they are planning on being together with for the night or longer.
its completely fair to want to know if your partner that you are dating and possibly planning a life with has a natural body or if its just plastic. The chatter just worded it very poorly. If we are talking about random people, then its none of their business
@@regisblessbin1937 why should a trans person have to admit though?
Literally the only time someone should need to disclose if they’ve had plastic surgery if it was for a medical reason that is genetic, like a cleft lip for example, I have a cousin who had a cleft lip, his brother as well, and his son was born with a severe cleft lip, but if it was a breast augmentation or a nose job or a tummy tuck or whatever that was because you wanted to shouldn’t matter
I think I get what Hasan is trying to say at the start about how he doesn't like it, would be lovely if no one felt it was necessary, that not undergoing potentially dangerous procedures would be preferable, but at the same time, like with the first woman, if your natural appearance makes you feel very self-conscious and ultimately unhappy it might be the just about the only real way to feel good about yourself physically. I also feel like the people most often making the argument that natural is best are, like with Hasan, naturally attractive people and as such often comes off as a bit disingenuous for people struggling with self-esteem issues derived from body issues.
i feel like we recognize this in the case of trans people but impune cis people (women especially) for taking comparable (excluding SRS aka 'the surgery') surgical measures
a fair number of plastic surgeons in the us already require psych screenings before certain procedures.
I agree with the last part. Additionally those people tend to be attracted to people who most likely had plastic surgery (we know the typ eof woman Hasan is attracted to and many of that have had or could have had surgery). People think that everyone who had plastic surgery looks like the lady in the front when they dont realize it can look all sorts of ways or be completely undetectable in the first place.
Naturally attractive doesn’t have to mean they’re a 10/10 though, idk how other people see it but for women I think they look beautiful from like a 3-10, I don’t need a top tier girl to feel like she’s worth it in my eyes.
Agreed society has a weird obsession with “natural beauty” which is imo bullshit because not everyone is born attractive. IMO if someone wants to change their appearance to feel more comfortable with their body then society shouldn’t judge them based on that.
Hasan has spoken about his body dysmorphia before, so I don’t think he does not know what if feels like to have low self asteem, but generally speaking I get your point.
something that’s always, always missing from discussions about looks and image and plastic surgery and appearance is how race factors into how people feel about how they look. i notice there are no visibly, fully black women here on this panel. i’m sure they’d have a lot to say about the concepts of bigger butts, smaller noses and lighter skin. love hasan but this topic is far too complex for him this time.
Idk I don’t like Hasans thoughts on Monique. There’s a lot more nuance and sad history of trans surgeries. while maybe that’s not Monique’s story, I don’t think trans women should get called scary for plastic surgery (or at all)
5:50 actually the picture he's talking about, the woman who was in it had an interview in a video called "how a meme ruined my life" or something similar. She explained they were just strangers and they were asked to pose as a family, yet people have harassed her relentlessly to the point she lost all her modeling gigs and struggled to find any job. It was heartbreaking cause she spoke out years later and it was still affecting her.
Rei seems like a truly good person that has really internalized all of the shitty comments she's heard. I can't imagine treating a sibling with anything but love & compassion when they would be going through something as hard as gender dysmorphia. Her brothers should be embarrassed of themselves.
I was SHOCKED when she said what her brothers said to her after her surgery. I truly cannot fathom what that would do to me and my self worth if my own brothers told me that about my genitals. I'd be devastated, honestly. I hope she has an overflowing amount of love and support in her life outside of her family.
Everytime Rei opened her mouth... hit different ngl, such a gem ngl
I'm such a leftist I'd only be able to say strongly disagree cuz I aint walking to the right
hey man this is pretty funny
On god I rather turn left 4 times and ever think about going right brother
our left would be your right though. crypto hog
@@fleshytrash god damn left you are, very correct
Strong "I wish my girlfriend would stop wearing makeup" energy from hasan on this one
@2:45 "You're perfect the way you are..."
*(NONE of them regret changing the way they are)* 🤨
what edimar said literally showed how wrong hasan was for making fun of moniques look. edimar said that ps goes to far when health issues start to occur but other than that its no one elses business and its the persons decision. edimar was the most understanding of all situations. shes such a hype man too i love her. she is critical but not judgmental or prejudice towards anyone.
Back alley boch surgeries exist. It usually happens when people with no health insurance that want some elective surgery done. They seek out a person with a "medical degree" that can perform certain procedures
I'm only 10 minutes in but Hasan's comment toward the beginning really bothered me. Granted, I tend to look at everything through a trans lens, but the notion of "you're beautiful no matter what so you shouldn't get plastic surgery" is super flawed. For example, my sister has PCOS and she's always been insecure about the size of her chest, so she's talked multiple times about getting breast augmentation to go up a few cups. This is genuinely harmless and would only serve to benefit her self-image and mental health, as long as she goes to a credible surgeon.
Like, yeah you should definitely love yourself regardless, but sometimes there's just those things about your body that you can't bring yourself to love. I come from a heavy family and I would never consider getting a tummy tuck or liposuction, because I feel happy with my weight. I like my thighs and the roundness in my face. Would I like to get a breast reduction for gender-affirming reasons and also to ease my back problems? Fuck yes, and I shouldn't be judged for wanting that surgery, trans or cis.
I personally don't think it's flawed at all, natural is beautiful in my personal opinion, and i would agree there are alot of other males out there that think the same, who knows, maybe your sister would end up finding someone that likes her for herself. i personally am not a fan of any plastic surgery unless it's necessary for health reasons, because they just look... unnatural. that's all.
@@regisblessbin1937 my sister is happily married and has been with her husband for 6 years, she has no trouble finding partners. it's not about being attractive for other people, it's about how she sees herself.
I agree, he's said some stuff in the past I disagree with as well, he's definitely the kind of person that thinks people can just instantly be confident in yourself. Of course it's good to be confident but it's a very slow and difficult process and there aren't many conscious decisions you can make to alleviate that, sometimes you just have to deal with them or tolerate it if there isn't a solution, however, to many plastic surgery IS a solution. Of course everyone is beautiful, and it would be fantastic if they could just love themselves and think how they look is perfect. But that just isn't realistic to say to someone. I know there isn't anything wrong with my breasts, I wouldn't think anything of it if it was on somebody else. I wish I was confident. But I know my mental state just isn't there and it may never be there, and I would like to get surgery for it in a reputable place and I know it would definitely raise my quality of life.
The chick in the white top is FINE
both of them
@Matthew Herman cope somewhere else trans women are women
@@brothacatdu3452 But there was a time they weren't, and that i think is what irks most people out the most.
@@regisblessbin1937 no, I don’t care
@@brothacatdu3452 Ok.
17:35 as she was telling her story i just broke down crying. so, so heartbreaking for anyone to say shit like that to someone.. especially their own family.
i read this comment before getting to this part not expecting to also burst into tears. i hope someone taught her brothers a lesson
I got boobs for my high school graduation, no regrets. Kinda want my nose done but I'm too scared of breathing difficulties. I think people should be open about their plastic surgery, especially fitness influencers.
@Matthew Herman Are you OK, dude? I’m not even sure what it is you’re trying to say after the comma.
@Matthew Herman yeah and you’ll have to pay people to be around you when you’re older
@Matthew Herman based and therapypilled
@Matthew Herman man I can't wait til you're olde and alone
Hasan on his king shit telling chatters they don't need plastic surgery
There is a lot of talk about need in this video; especially from the chat's end. If somebody wants to do something like plastic surgery, that's their prerogative! There are a lot of harmful industries that I would take exception to, and plastic surgery isn't exempt from that, but it's one of those things that somebody might regret, or it maybe the best decision of their lives. The question is obviously pertaining to the extremes (going to far). That's my take.
Rei is such a sweet person oh my god every time she talked my heart melted
When Hasan said, "You guys are beautiful" 🥺❤😭❤🥰
A great take on this discussion, of which I learned so much about, is Mina Le’s video: ruclips.net/video/gsXYJn28Gn4/видео.html
I hope chatters get to watch this so they can open their perspective.
I’m too lazy to watch it, can you summarize it for me?
Honestly some pretty L takes here from Hasan. I like the man but damn
So most of the arguments for or against plastic surgery on here are reasonable but holy fucking shit there are some incels on here lurking about. If you genuinely just wanna upgrade yourself because you wanna be YOUR ideal self fine cool. But if you are sitting here rippin Hasan for being pretty and not knowing what it means to be ugly or to have the wrong chin to forehead ratio and that's why you can't find love, stop. You have lost the fuckin plot and you need to reevaluate your personal image before you jump straight to beltsanding your bones.
I have seen the most "mismatched" couples plenty of times before, shit my best friend looks like a skinny version of sasquatch and his fiance is gorgeous. BUT THEY'RE BOTH WONDERFUL PEOPLE! No invasive surgery required. My point is if you want plastic surgery because other people are making you feel like garbage and not because you want to be the person YOU wanna see in a mirror than you gotta rethink what you're doin.
“Wait what she do? Who is she?” 💀
Hasan adding clothes like Steve Bannon wearing 3 shirts in 90-degree weather.
While the chatter a bit deranged, A person probably shouldn’t marry someone they don’t feel comfortable disclosing things to. Like you obviously don’t trust them why are you marrying them???
Idk about yall, but I do really wish we lived in a world like Cyberpunk (without the bugs and developer), full of cybernetic implants and whatever other surgeries we want to be whatever we want.
Girl: in adult entertainment
Hasan: 👀👀 wait she does what 👅
thank u hasan, u saying i don’t need it CONFIRMS MY DECISION OF NOT DOING IT
Sorry hasan I like u a lot but u say hey u don't need it....but look at the ppl u date lol theyrr perfect
Plastic surgery is most often permanent. So shaming someone for getting it is the exact same thing as shaming someone for their natural features. I can assure you it feels equally as painful, despite having it "done to ouselves".
Edimar and Rei seem really nice YEP
I don't agree with what hassans saying at the beginning when talking about "being comfortable in your own skin". I think majority of the time you can learn to love yourself but if you have an abnormal shaped nose or a wierd mole somewhere that you genuinely don't like for yourself its fine to get that fixed. Its easy for someone who doesn't have those issues to say "just love yourself, your beautiful".
I think that if plastic surgery is what gives someone that confidence and they feel happier, all power to them. It's their money and body
Hasan’s fit here is drippy
18:30 “I have a festering hole too”😭😭😭
Don't get people who have opinions on this shit. Just let people do what they want?
I've had plastic surgery....
Reconstructive after an accident.
I can somewhat relate but not completely. A majority of people got braces in highschool and i didn't. I am now 28 and wish i had. But I am sensing they have a first character complex.
I did my braces in college. It's never too late! (And I'm glad I did it late too. A lot of my friends had their post-braces teeth messed up when their wisdom teeth came in anyway)
Hasan: you guys are beautiful
me: uncontrollably sobs
Yo Im applying to the MA program at my school and Im getting my BA this December. So maybe some day Ill be another PhD Andy in the chat.
The instant nuking WutFace got me😁
Rei has so much uwu energy
Rei is gorgeous
YES U CAN ALWAYS GO TOO FAR WITH ANYTHING
21:44 Hasan getting away with it again
hasan is so sweet 🥺
I think medically neccessary plastic surgery is 100% okay. For elective plastic surgeries there is some wiggle room like the woman with the irregular boobs or having a "bump" or crooked nose or being trans. But trying to fit an imagine of boobs, ass, certain shaped cheeks and jawline is gross and encourages body dysmorphia. They claim they aren't trying to fit a image by getting plastic surgery but besides the exceptions I listed they literally are.
I disagree about the “it encourages body dysmorphia” part, that is if I’m interpreting it correctly. If your talking about their own self image, then I disagree. If someone’s so insecure to the point that they want surgery and feel that’s best for them, and feel good about their decision afterwards, there’s no problem with that. But if your talking about the society norms side about it, then I kinda agree. I mean if you get plastic surgery and like push that that’s what everyone should look like, then obviously you’re in the wrong and you’re pretty stupid. Anyways, that’s my annoyingly long take, feel free to reply.
Bro, that one chick DIVED into those hugs at the end 😂
Rei, Isabella, Ember, and Edimar might be some of the prettiest girls Jubilee has ever had on.
They are gorgeous!
@@erwinadolf4010 ? how this have 6 likes???
@@erwinadolf4010 Relax 😂😂😂
@@erwinadolf4010 transphobia? cringe
@@erwinadolf4010 ???
If my child wanted plastic surgery I would feel like I failed because I really want to be able to teach my children that no matter what society says, they are perfect and they should never have to feel uncomfortable about the way they look but I also know that they are inevitably going to be exposed to criticism about their looks because of the society we live in. I just have to hope I do a good enough job.
no matter what you do as a parent it is pretty much impossible for us as people to avoid having beauty standards imposed on us. we're a society obsessed with vanity
@@trancandy1 Yeah, that is for sure unfortunately
the only way you'd *have* to talk to a partner about your plastic surgery is if it becomes a health issue (ie breast implants affecting breastfeeding) but otherwise that one chatter is dumb asf
I got cheek implants when I got my jaw surgery and I didn't really want it. It was necessary though because of the way my face would've been after the surgery because it would've made my cheeks sallow
Being conventionally attractive. I don't see Hasan's perspective valid on this one.
21:45 Sus pause
4:37 try hemorrhoids doll, its natural and all that pain is spot on
14:22
Hasan may be a coomer, but he's our coomer
I noticed that too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There are so many transphobes in hasan’s twitch chat wtf
@Matthew Herman Transphobia isn't different from hating trans people, transphobia is defined by a hatred of trans people. It's very rarely about a fear of trans people.
I wish
I do see Hasan has got some good points! Still a man tho
is plastic surgery always cosmetic? i have a deviated septum and i’m pretty sure it takes plastic surgery to fix it, but the reason to fix it is a medical issue, not a personal preference.
u answered ur own question
I want to sub to XQC just to get that tilted staring emote
Rei never entered womanhood 🙄
THE PAUSE AT THE END
pretty dark
2:44 Oh the irony
Rei has to be one of the prettiest girls I've ever seen
Yes
9:45
1:25 👍
yo.. the brown girl with the curly hair is bad AF!!! Also, super pretty feet
Down bad
bro what
yo sonnnn
"also super pretty feet" 💀💀💀💀
*bonk*
These girls are using the word society a lot. The internet is the correct noun in all of those sentences.
Anyone remember Darcy from 90 day? Yeah that's what I consider too much.
Okay but why was Hassan so wholesome in this video 💕👍
14:24 Classic Azan KEKW
Loved how as soon as Hasan found out there was an adult industry person in the video he went on a complete tangent
He definitely has a type 😂
as someone studying to be a surgeon, I think this is a very good and insightful video. it's good to see all these girls are very proud of who they are and are comfortable with their decisions. can't wait to be a PhD Andy (although I want to do pediatrics instead of plastics)
I absolutely adored how supportive everyone was to each other. Especially the woman in the white top. She was hyping EVERYONE up.
The face of that big woman on the far left literally looks like Shaye Saint John.
I want my partner to be honest about themselves before we have a kid = incel, ok sure or maybe you just want to have a relationship where those types of things aren't a secret like?
ok incel
They're just meming.
Never, your other comment tells me you deserve to stay an incel.
@@erwinadolf4010 imagine having a relationship with someone who keeps secrets of this volume. One day you find out, imagine how betrayed that can make someone feel. Same people who support this don't support men 'lieing' about their height for example. It's a hypocritical double standard which I don't follow and I decide where my line lies, not you
@@justalostlocal too bad for you I'm not then
If you do plastic surgery you ain't doing me
bro you're not getting any regardless.
OK incel
like you’d be able to tell
Oh no. Anyway
What ever helps you sleep at night bud
Progressives being the Flat Earthers of U.S. Politics is why #VirginiansElectedMAGA candidates in their Gubernatorial Elections😂😂😂!!!
You're as delusional as a flat earther if you think Clinton ire Terry McAuliffe is a progressive
Politics is dumb
bro what does this even mean
Doctors should be saving lives and doing scientific research, not padding underskin bumps.
Doctors are not researchers you dummy.
I probably have similar views on plastic surgery, but this is the same kind of dumb argument people make when they say we shouldn't let in refugees because homeless veterans exist.
@@MeandMonkeyLP they should be instead of plastic surgeons.
@@sanders555 just let hairdressers and nail ladies do plastic surgeries.
If you watched the video you'd see how cosmetic surgery can actually help people's mental well being, and isn't helping people what doctors are supposed to do?