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Import Tool Maddness: $2 Wood Rasp
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2018
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$2 Rasp: ebay.to/2MhSvlt (This is an ebay affiliate link. I can't find the rasp on aliexpress right now. But this is the same tool at the same price with free shipping.)
Four-In-Hand Rasp: amzn.to/2y3tDLg
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In this first installment of Import Tool Madness, I review a wood rasp that costs $2 with FREE shipping. This is a pretty insane price for a tool like this and to my surprise, the tool isn't half bad. It cuts pretty fast, leaves a decent finish, and is VERY light and easy to use. For $2, you really can't go wrong. Let me know in the comments if you like this style to tool review. I plan to do more.
it is called saw wire if you unwind it and you put it in a frame you can use it for a good improvised coping saw
Like the stuff that you'll find in bugout bags or emergency survival kits?
@@joejoelesh1197 yes also in surgical equipment tools stores
used to make holes in the cranium for stuff lile brain surgery
also known as gigli saw
Looked almost like guitar fret wire wrapped with the tang on the outside for a second. I was way off 🤣
Yep. Often comes with a ring on each end (maybe an 18" or so length) and can be used on steel as well. A hacksaw for your pocket. As far as shipping... no secret. By boat and nothing ships until they fill a shipping container. Pennies or less for a product when you have a hundred thousand or so products.
here in China we see this rasp a lot in bicycle repair shops, where they use it to file down bicycle inner tires. but it works pretty well on wood too. I've got one yesterday morning with an ordinary wood rasp for ￥7(that's about $1) from a farmer's market...
Isnt like 70 cents?
@@bigkirbyhj666 about $0.97 according to current exchange rate.
There is an explanation for your question about the "Business Model" of Chinese cheap imports. Short answer. They learned it from the Japanese.
I have a fair amount of knowledge of accounting. While taking a refresher course I had to research a conglomerate. I chose the Electronics Industry because that's what I did for 30 years. Panasonic, Funai, Symphonic, J.C Penney's and Sears brand were ALL made by one Company.
Now, that Conglomerate owns 50 individual ones and each one of them manufacturers different parts. VCRS for instance, gear mechanisms, by one, semiconductors another, capacitors, plastic cases and the list goes on. So what they do is make and sell certain parts to the Conglomerate for pennies on the dollar.
Out of the 50 companies, 5-10 will operate in the RED for 5-10 years, then files bankruptcy.
They buy an entirely different property create a new business buy the old equipment and inventory CHEAP. Then they go into the GREEN. All to one desired end.
They are competing with the U.S. manufacturers and is the very reason we have outsourced our manufacturing to different countries. The reason I chose that study is when Heath-Zenith went to Mexico.
That piece of metal you were holding up most likely came from an American Made Automobile. They buy our SCRAP.
Japan beat us out in Electronics. Now China is just chewing on a different part of the marrow of the U.S.A. That's why I try to fix or restore all of my Electronics, shop equipment, and prefer to buy used, even broken.
That sounds like it would be illegal in the USA. Lol
Business idea, buy these for $2 and sell them for $4
Love your cheap Ali express tool reviews. Please do more.
I'd like to, but I've been having a hard time finding tools that are cheap and interesting and potentially useful. I'm open to suggestions.
Perhaps a cheap diamond sharpening plate? I think it would be useful if we could get a clean (no oil or slurry) and cheap sharpening solution that does not require flattening stones ... Thank you for your videos!
Good idea for video series. Information that separates the cheap bad tools from the cheap good ones is needed. I think everyone is tempted to buy these cheap tools for various reasons. Knowing which ones work is great. Thanks.
Tony Lenge My pleasure! Hope you enjoy the other ones!
It's what they call a pocket saw wire or a wire saw usually put a key ring on either end and pull it back and forth
The metal material is called chinesium. It's used on a wide variety or items made in China.
Al Carey The consensus actually is that Chinesium is another name for the 'pot metal' which is some sort of Zn and Pb alloy used for all kind of small castings. I learned it when researching safety razors. It turned out some respectable safety razor brands use the material for their products!
AvE eh! Keep it in a vise.
While AvE is the author of a good number of machinist memes this one precedes him, I think.
Maybe Unobtanium, or Delirium.
I just got mine in the mail. It cost me all of $2.19 and took 12 days to get here. It may be inexpensive, but it doesn't look cheap at all. It's crazy sharp and works really well, even on oak and ash.
I have that 4$ wooden hand plane. It´s actually pretty good. A nice small plane for detail work.
What kinda plane is it? And is it good still? If you dont mind me asking 3 years late 😅
That $4 plane work very well in fact. Once you fix it that is. Flaten bottom and finish iron and it is ready to go. Holds an edge well also.
Yes, Rex. This review is very useful and I would love to see more 👏🏻
I ordered two sizes to try out. One of them had a defect in the saw wire wrap. I sent Ali a note and they sent out a replacement (still took a while to get here). All with no shipping charge. Amazing. I was able to just cut off the defective wire and still use the defective unit. (a little shorter). They work well when I need them.
I'm really glad they worked out!
When I try a new tool I've never seen a reason to "get rid of" my other tools. I actually have a couple of those wooden planes you talked about and I don't have much that's negative to say. The smaller ones make good block planes if the user is used to wooden planes. There's also a plough plane that I bought a few years ago and it's a bit fiddly, but once it's dialed in, it works well on smaller projects.
I think i got my four-in-hand for less than $2 at a garage sale. Of course the luck of garage sales isn't a dependable source when you want a tool right now.
I'm going to be rejuvenating garage sale tools(following scoutcrafter's video techniques) this summer for our yearly xmas exchange, one of which has a $5 limit so it'll be fun to see what quality tool kit I can put together from $5 of garage sale tool renovations. We've got a lot of nieces and nephews just starting out on their own, so a tool kit should go over big with that crowd, especially since last year the most popular gift among the guys was a big box of random wood cutoffs.
I'd get one just to have the wire in my camping bag. It's awesome for sawing through firewood
the way they make a profit is that the resources and labor used in china are SO MUCH cheaper and they ship them out on unused container space on their scheduled cargo ships so the biggest portion of shipping is free for basically everyone, so the only two costs are a couple cents of supplies and probably a buck of shipping from port to mailbox
I have also bought a tiny plane for a couple of pounds that make a great shoulder plane and Ive had lots of bargains for my photography. As long as you’re realistic about what you are buying there are some amazing bargains.
Hi Rex.
It might just be a string-saw wrapped around a stick.
You can get those string-saws on eBay for $1...$1.50.
I got a few of them, they didn't live up to my expectations, since I wanted to use it for cutting off branches high up in trees (it won't work, because the string-saw will get stuck very quickly).
However, those string saws can definitely be made into some usable saws (like a bow-saw or a jig saw, perhaps even a cheap scroll-saw). - or rasps!
I’m interested in seeing this series. I’ve bought crazy cheap tools from China for smaller tools for similar reasons. Cheap and I generally want to see how the stand up. If a $2 tool lasts a couple years or as long as you need them then I got my money’s worth. I have found if you are doing any harder work with the tools (wrenches hammers etc) you better off paying for some quality tools.
Agreed! If you have any cheap import tools you really like, let me know and I might do a review.
Thank you, Mr. Krueger!
A premium tool seller here in Germany sells this thing for 6 Euros (roughly 7 US dollars as of today). They call the stuff that's wrapped around it "saw blade". Maybe it's the same stuff that fretsaw blades are made of. BTW, those planes you showed are probably made by Mujingfang. I have some pretty decent ones from that maker.
Wow, for $7 I'd have to pass on this tool. It's better than I expected, but only the cheapness makes it a good deal.
I really like your cheapness👍
Can't speak for the tool itself, but the reason why they can ship it so cheap (free) is because China subsidizes shipping costs. So while the true cost of shipping might be $5 or $10...the Chinese company doesn't usually have to worry about that.
The shape does look handy for saw and plane handles.
That's a good point. I bet it would work for that! It's really not a bad tool.
I bet at $2 with free shipping, the manufacturer made a $1.60 profit on your purchase.
Cost of tool manufacture: 4 cents (a person wrapping a wire coil around a stick he found)
Bundled shipping from China: 8 cents
Storage and Freight contracts in the US: 28 cents
That's stick to door for 40 cents!
You think 2-3 weeks is slow? The stuff I get from China usually takes about 2 months at least. I actually have an item I ordered in November pending delivery still....
Wow, that is slow! Hope you get your stuff soon.
I’ve seen this critter advertised, and wondered about it.
I, too am bewildered by stuff that’s shipped from China for a total cost of a couple of bucks. Even without whatever it costs to make the tools, I don’t see how things can be shipped that cheaply. I bought a couple of burr-removing bits from one of these overseas outfits, and the price was something like $1.89 for both, *including shipping.*. I didn’t feel confident I would ever get them at all, but they did arrive, and while they aren’t the finest bits I’ve ever seen, the quality is OK. I could have bought the same thing domestically for about $9 or $10. Why is it so cheap? Yes, Chinese labor is cheap, but how can shipping be that cheap? There must be something I’m missing here.
Since I started doing this series, I've found out that the Chinese government subsidizes shipping to the US for ANY item below a certain weight. That's why it's so cheap. The gov't is paying the whole freight.
The company I work for has a casting made in China, shipped to Wisconsin where it is machined, shipped back to China where it is assembled into an electric motor, shipped to Minnesota where it is assembled into a product, and then some of that product is shipped back to China for sale (most is sold in the US or Europe). I don't understand how it can be anywhere near cost effective.
My guess on these small, cheap things is that they hitch a ride with something else. I think overseas shipping costs are paid by volume, not weight. Shipping a 1/2 empty container costs as much as shipping a full one. So, these items might find themselves taking up some otherwise dead space in a container full of TV's (stick 100 rasps into a space where another TV wouldn't fit). Since the TV's are coming across if the rasps are in there or not, shipping the rasps is essentially free.
thank you Rex . my experience with cheap tools has all ways been fallowed by lots of ******
Believe it or not. Those rasps are sold in China as tire repair tools, for cleaning up bicycle and electric bike tires. Then they discovered that people also use them for woodwork. So a search for tire rasp will also find them.
Really? I would never have guessed. Thanks!
I’d like to see a 4n1 be with a handle more like 2 - 2n1. While I have two of the 4n1 rasps, they aren’t the most comfortable to handle. That seems to be one of the advantages of the cheap Chinese rasp.
Yup, that was totally my experience with it. I wear a glove with the four-in-hand, but then I have to find my gloves and they get torn up.
If you were only a woodworker, you could make a comfortable handle to hold your 4-in-1 rasp. Maybe one where a screw holds it in, then to use the other end, you loosen the screw, flip the rasp around, put it back in, and tighten the screw. How about a video on that, Rex?
@@censusgary yeah or with a lever clamp as a handle
My guess is a factory ordered a lot of those rasp because they wanted the price very low and they use it in manufacture. Then they put half of them on Ali express.
Or maybe they just invested in a machine that can make/wind that abrasive metal wire for other purposes, and they're pumping out these as a side production
Shipping from china costed less than shipping in the US , due to a 100+ year old treaty. The US postal service loses money on every package from china.
Interesting , I too can see some possibilities where that could come in handy
I had seen these sold on Amazon and Ebay. I didn't know if they would actually work. I didn't like the block plane but I consider getting this.
It's not a bad tool. I was surprised.
Just bought it using your eBay link.
Good stuff Rex 👍👍👍
Hi,
when shipped to France, even with free shipping, their is a kind of stamp from the China Post whith a amount...I'm not sure it's really paid! Whatever, usually, their is a kind of compromise between the national posts but with the number of parcels send from China, I'm not sure that the deal stays balance!
Whatever, perhaps you've see this video called "Tuning a $3.59 Japanese Plane.
Cordialement,
Bob
Sold.
China subsidizes shipping to the US, so if you buy anything from China it should have free, or very cheap shipping.
You really do learn something new every day!
It's been an economic policy of theirs for years. But making the transit really cheap, they can encourage lots of smaller and cheaper businesses to grow export markets. I have found however that if you pay a little and use aliexpress express shipping (very cheap) then the items arrive so much quicker.
Actually we subsidize China. Postage rates are not at cost. They are determined by the universal postal union. And the destination country by treaty finishes the final leg of the journey according to that price schedule, not according to cost. The podcast i heard said a 4 dollar shipment costs a Chinese company 1 dollar to ship. Planet money podcast.
I just ordered one through Ebay. The delivery window is sometime in the month of July. (actually "Jul 2 - Aug 6"). I've been looking at the stuff on AliExpress for a while, but have been reluctant to purchase stuff from China for a number of reasons, but I figure $2 is worth the risk.
BTW, some of the power tools they sell from China are just plain SCARY. Safety features? What safety features?
Yeah, I don't expect to buy any power tools this way, but lots of the hand tools are just too cheap to pass up.
I just got the rasp in the mail today. 12 days from ordering to delivery from China. Really impressed with the shipping and damn impressed with the rasp as well. It's crazy sharp. I grabbed it by the metal and my hand feels like it was punctured by a million hypodermic needles.
Yeah, I’ve seen videos advertising ultra-cheap power tools that are just pure death traps. There’s no other way to say it. Then there are other videos where self-declared geniuses show clever “hacks” with those homicidal power tools. Brrrrr!
That 4-in-hand will last for your entire life.
At that price, it can't be unobtainium.
That's true!
The wire looks like the frangible innards of a hand grenade. Maybe made from waste or rejects from a grenade maker?
The wire reminds me of wire saws? The multi directional blades used on coping saws or those survival saws, but those are chains not wire... not 100% sure
It makes sense if the manufacturer employs free labor.
Gentleman, that metal wire is the shaving of stainless steel from a metal lathe. $2 is cheap? May be...but do you know how much it cost for a whole set of name, address, email, credit card details and personal preference? $5 per set at least and if all details were verified true, it is more tham 10 US of A dollars! Well, it is a cheap bargain on the other side of the deal as well.
luderick wong - That's why we have PayPal.
Anybody have a link to that $4 hand plane? I couldn't find it by Googling.
Go to ali express .com and search for "hand plane." You'll find it.
OK, thanks :)
If you've ever seen a Chinese factory at work you'll understand exactly how you get a $2 rasp. A Chinese peasant-turned-actory-worker can probably turn out *at least* 100 of those rasps *per hour,* pay that peasant turned factory worker $10 per day [feed him as many ramen noodles as he can eat] and your labor cost is ¢10 per. In the western world cost of labor is typically your greatest expense - probably close to half. Throw in 10in of wood [raped out of the ground somewhere] and a few feet of mild steel wire and you're done. The wood for the handles are probably purchased as waste from another process, shaped, sanded minimally and cut to length. Bent magically to make them better - not in China. Mild steel wire [purchased by the Ton] is run through some kind of a mill to form the teeth. Any hardness that the rasp's teeth possess is from the work hardening due to being run through the mill *- that is it.* That toothed wire is then wrapped around a stick on a very dangerous machine. Done! Embodied energy in the Chinese rasp? very small" Material cost? Very small. Capital and equipment cost? Very small. Shipping and distribution cost? Probably almost as much as the cost of manufacture. Advertising and marketing costs? Almost zero.
Genius - except disposable. Disposable tools are bad? or good?
Compare that process and material bill to manufacturing a typical four-in-hand rasp. You begin with ten to fifteen times the mass of high quality steel [or higher quality steel - hardenable steel]. Form it, shape it, cut it to length, use four different tools to form four different tooth patterns, then heat treat to attain the required hardness. Lots of embodied energy, high capital costs, high labor costs. Have an ISO-9001 qualified Quality Assurance Program to 'assure' that you produce 999,999 good rasps per one non-conforming rasp and you are almost done. Then you have to market and sell the thing, and figure out how to comply all of your western feels-good regulations you'll begin to understand why most of the four-in-hand rasps you are buying today are also manufactured in China.
If your peasant-turned-actory-worker loses a finger wrapping the sharpened wire around the stick there are 300,000,000 more just like him to replace him. Eh...
Thing is that Chinesium rasp will last a year, maybe two. I have a one of these four-in-hand rasps I bought thirty years ago - a Craftsman. I can hardly tell it from new. I've got a two or three others I've picked up along the way. I will never need to buy another one *in my lifetime.* But I might expect to have to buy another fifteen to twenty Chinese rasps in the same time frame. Then the costs start to look a little funny - in the other direction - that is $40 for a piece of sharpened wire wrapped around a stick.
Isnt the rasp a little short? In EU rasps are about 30cm long + handle ?
Did you notice that it's $2? I think this is about the maximum you can get for that money.
@@RexKrueger yeah I did, I also noticed how unpractical it looks. So maybe they also have one that costs $3, but is a little longer?
Bloodstar123 : Yes, you can get larger ones of the same design for a few more dollars.
I've seen the 4-in-hand rasp called a "shoe rasp", as in horseshoeing.
Could be. I have a couple of farrier's rasps, which I know are for shoeing and they're HUGE. But hell, maybe some farriers use the 4-in hand. It's compact.
Rex Krueger : Or maybe the small one is named after the large one.
Shipping on small goods is subsidized by the US government, while the costs of production are subsidized by the Chinese government.
It's really a beautiful system for dismantling American industry and shipping it to China.
This is a good 3 minute video review, the other 5 plus minutes are unnecessary filler. Thumbs up for the useful part of the content.
Yeah, this one ended up long, but it's the first in a new kind of video for me. Future ones will be less than 5 min.
We need to appreciate that Rex has obligations to fulfil- he has to earn a living, after all. Hence I like his videos in their entirety 👍🏼
Man fuck that white wire behind him. Thought my screen had a hair inside some how lmao
Easy answer: cheap material, cheap labour and bulk shipping
You buy that single item in china and ship to usa?
Yes, I’ve done it, too, and sometimes it’s shockingly cheap.
I don't get how they ship it for $2... Everything we ship costs at least 5 bucks to ship. But i guess china post must have some kind of ultra cheap way to do it?
I don't know if true, but I have heard the Chinese government helps subsidize the shipping costs and the USA gives them a discount on shipping costs as well.
One of the previous comments said something similar. I admit, I'm ignorant of the whole thing and it sounds complicated.
Something is off-kilter when it’s cheaper to mail something here from China than for me to mail the same thing from here to the town three miles from here.
Sometimes there are Chinese subsidies but they're temporary, they last a few months. For the most part it's not that, it's more fundamental. Because most of the cost of mail is fixed, it's caused by having to maintain a large network of fixed expensive infrastructure, and then it's the question of where that money is going to come from. In most EU countries and USA and others, the fixed cost of mail infrastructure is covered by the postage of outgoing mail. In China, the fixed cost of mail is covered by taxes, so the only postage Chinese pay is the incremental cost of what it costs to deliver one more item.
There's also an international mail agreement that dictates how much the mail of country of origin needs to pay the mail service of the target country, and it's also pretty much just the incremental cost. I think this rasp cost about $1.60 to mail as of the making of this video a couple years back, and probably was worth several cents in manufacturing.
Naturally when these agreements were made more than a hundred years ago, the mail was to a large extent reciprocal, i.e. one person sends another person an international letter or package, and another person replies, so there was never an immense imbalance in the volume of international mail. To the extent that there might have been a slight imbalance, it was to the advantage of the more influential, more developed countries, since they likely had more unique desirable stuff and were on the forefront of cultural and scientific development, so everyone who had a say was happy about that arrangement. Nobody could anticipate back then that the vast majority of world's manufacturing and product trade would end up concentrated in one developing country the way it happened now. And now China is a superpower and a really... one could say, convincing, negotiation party, who has no interest in the arrangement being changed to their detriment.
But due to this arrangement, you also basically end up subsidising incoming international mail every time you send something.
There is no total solution. One strong partial solution that i could imagine would be do do it like China and make mail a tax-operated entity. Then for any given purchase, you're no longer making the decision to spend that money on upkeep of mail infrastructure, because you already paid for it up front, the postage is drastically reduced, and you have an easier time justifying the purchase of a product from a domestic vendor. But it would also make you less dependent on brick and mortar retail, and big box chains won't like that, so it's not going to happen. China has also found that cheap, fast domestic mail has been insanely helpful in growing and distributing the manufacturing economy, because having just Shenzhen and Shanghai as industrial hotspots and everything further out underdeveloped became obviously untenable. They have the power of large scale strategic thinking like that.
Man, this is soft wood rasp for pine. And What you don’t know is this tool cost 0.25 dollar if you know chinese and bought it at taobao, American woodworking tool is a rip off
Well, in the video, I'm using it on white ash, which is pretty hard. And, living in Ohio, I don't have a hookup that will get me that .25 price. Soooo, I guess $2 will have to be cheap enough.
Rex Krueger im living in Canada, every trip back from China is packed tool in the suitcase... you need find some Chinese friend..
Fair enough! I'd LOVE to visit China and see where these tools are made, among other things.
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I've dealt with Ali Express in the past with no problems at all. TBH I always think buying cheap stuff from China in general is a bit of a crapshoot - don't expect high street levels of service for back-alley prices (they are called AliExpress for a reason ;) I love buying from China, I rarely shop anywhere else now! Trying to figure out Taobao (Chinese eBay) next.
Slave labour, well it's modern equal of enforce labour by a government with no payments to the imprisoned
Rex, I was watching a video today that made me think of this review. Check this video by Grandpa Amu ruclips.net/video/gxFOVZ8M9sk/видео.html. He makes a very interesting saw. Made me wonder if you took the blade from that saw and wrapped it around a handle if you wouldn't make a similar type of rasp. Could be worth a try.
I do think that a lot of the “business model” from these companies that sells crazy cheap items is simply and plain money laundry...
Chinese compagnies are sponsored by there governement for shipping.
Actually shipping commercial products from some countries is subsidised internationally to support emerging economies. No, I do not think China should still fall under this, but it does.
If it's dirt cheap and from China then people have probably suffered and were exploited in the manufacturing. Do some research and think about that before you buy
You are correct, it is similar to "razor wire" seen in those horrific fences near prisons or oppressed states like Palestine. The steel is carbon steel, cut from flat wire stock. It is wound by machine at very high-speed around any spindle ( like the wooden stick) in about a second. The same type of wire is sometimes called "whip wire" and is used in garrotes.
Real humans have to secure the ends, but they are paid slave wages, work in hot factories with almost no protection and zero benefits.
The reason they can ship them from China so cheaply is two fold.
One, China has it's own postal service for the immense international shipping they must provide for their many products.
Two, your politicians sold out the US postal service so they could rape postal workers' pensions.
With NAFTA and global bankers sucking America dry, they were able to force USPS to finance workers' pension for 75 years in advance just so they could try to raid the USPS like any other company they rape for profit.
USPS has been forced through legislation to cooperate with Chinese import services. THAT is why they can sell small goods with free shipping at such ridiculous prices.
These tools will rust. You can protect any carbon steel tools from rusting cheaply by placing camphor blocks in your tool box. Blocks last about a year, depending on how often you open the box and the temperature of your area.
40 years ago, Camphor Blocks used to be 15 cents for a dozen and available at any pharmacy. Nowadays, they cost at least ten times that and sometimes more. You can also get camphor in chunk form from the giant evil Amazon or the slightly less evil Ebay. It comes in aluminized bags for between $6 to $15. One bag will protect tools in several large tool drawers or boxes for five or more years.
Wow, that is the most information-packed comment I have ever seen. Ever. Thanks for offering such a complete discussion of many of the questions I have.
Palestine is not a state, is a geographical area. Several states are in that area, like Jordan, Israel, parts of Syria, Lebanon and Egypt.
Thank you.... There is a reason for the use of fencing in the area. Note: I've been to Israel and Lebanon and was married into a Palestinian family for 25 years until her passing. Israel is not the bad guy in that region. As for the file it is just a stick wrapped in wire. They fill a can with a few hundred thousand orders that cost them a buck for shipping, labor and parts in China are a few cents, so if you sell a lot of wire wrapped sticks you make money. As for their benefits and pay keep in mind....it is NOT the US, they are not complaining, those who are not there and not doing the work are....and no one cares what the complainers here think.
They can probably sell it so cheap because they have no labor cost because the use forced labor from the people put in prison. I will not buy it for that reason.
Looks like cheap guitar fret wire.
In person, more like worn-out strings. You're right, though.
Chinesium plus Uighur slave labor equals super cheap products. The true cost is in the human lives that they take forcing people to do these jobs
Those are left over wrapping from Chinese furniture shipped to US. Lol
Most likely this is made in a Chinese gulag prison by slave labor...
I admit, I'm concerned about that. I'd like to know for sure. It's worth caring about.
I use them and never had a problem they have always been great steve👨🏼🦽🇬🇧