Yep. I feel like starting over in a new city might be the best way to eliminate this. It's hard to say goodbye to everyone you know, but for me, they're trying to get me fired from work (and a few times succeeded), trying to get me thrown out of homes, and of course, ruining my reputation everywhere I go. I look forward to a free life where they are not even a blip in the rear view mirror. They belong in prison.
Quite pathetic, for sure. It's at the point of an at least partial government shutdown, as to free up money being illegally withheld from several people. They started a smear campaign that is the same, tired bullshit, with no actual basis in fact. One of the people responsible had multiple verified grooming conversations, slept with minors, beastiality, and is sabotaging coworkers everywhere they've worked, in addition to trafficking. In the past, they've harassed people out of claiming their checks they are owed. This will not work for me,or anyone else. The amount of video, text, and email evidence is incredibly damaging They've been triggering people's PTSD, then attempting to claim that is what they are normally like, which is completely untrue. This person and those who are flying monkeys for them, are pathological. I think they believe their own lies. No one actually has to, or needs to work with any of these people. They have ruined their own reputations. The amount of fraud and money laundering alone, would put them in prison for three life terms. Then we add in all of their assault and actual murder charges. I've advised a permanent shunning. Pretend they don't exist, immediately turn them in if they commit a crime against you, or anyone else. This person is a stalker who has harmed an inordinate number of people in his all-consuming need for constant attention Not to mention the catfishing that is well-established. I'd feel badly if they weren't an absolutely awful person As far as I am concerned, this guy doesn't exist. No one wants a pedo in charge of a group. I protect children and women, they are exactly the opposite. He was deemed sane, which means that he is definitely evil and desperate. Pretty lame.
You are so on point about this. I went through a terrible smear campaign from my narc boss at my job. I was angry and frustrated of how mistreated I was. I was reacting to all the accusations. Then one day I just sort of came to a realization. I have no control over those who attempt to defame my character, and I also have no control over those who choose to believe the lies that are told about me. The only person I have control over is myself. I chose to stop reacting. I chose to take my power back. They had no right to ruin my peace of mind. I had to come to terms with the fact that, yes, some things may fall a apart due to the smear campaign, but those are things that inevitably can be replaced. I can stand true to myself and my values. I learned how to stand my ground but to do it with grace. After I learned this, I felt like a huge burden had been lifted off my shoulders. The narcissist was no longer gonna dictate my mood, and I got my life back.
Same here. Anytime anyone quit or were fired, my boss would invoke a smear campaign against them. It's almost worse to work for a narc than to be in a romantic relationship with one.
This is extremely helpful advice, thank you! Given in a straightforward manner. My ex husband had a narcissist collapse at age 42. All of his hookers, hoes and crack heads have left and he is going to prison after 17 years of horrendous abuse. I used gray rock, video recording, called the police and moved many times. Thank God I survived his smear campaign and it’s really sad but I am glad I can escape from him now. I really appreciate your channel, it’s very important for my recovery. 🙏
In some ways, this advice to downgrade yourself for the sake of the narcissist pissed me off almost as much as the narcissist! My insides were screaming, "B.S." Thankfully, most of Jill's other content is great and makes complete sense. It just goes to show everyone here that WE, THE VIEWERS, still have to filter through this information for what works FOR US!
@@russhamel Even though it would feel awful to downgrade yourself, I look at it differently, first, because you say something to stroke a Narc ego does not mean you believe what you are saying, its self preservation, I believe it is a tool to use to stay safe and or stay alive until you can safely remove yourself from the situation, some people in these relationships can not just pick up and leave any time, everyone"s circumstances are different, and some are truly in danger. I would only use this method to stay safe until I could get away.
@@cathypeters8346 good point! As mentioned in my previous comment, every situation is different and as a means of self-preservation, this indeed may be an appropriate solution.
Makes it easier for me to know who I might want to associate with. Anyone who will make judgements of someone they don't even know based on mean gossip (that keeps changing) is someone I don't care to know anyway.
Everything you’ve stated is very accurate. Great video. Take this advice if you are new to dealing with this type of person or now aware of what they are doing. If not, you risk going round and round in a vicious cycle. They will always draw you back into their games etc. Empaths have an especially difficult time with narcissists because we feel sorry for them and believe what they say. No contact is best. ❤️
@Anna Gunn @mom could you advise me on what to do when your being bullied, and Slandered, and accused of stealing someone's account this vicious Slander is out of control..
I have learned not to feel sorry for them, for they do things with intent to harm ! Some of these individuals are vicious, and will NOT stop until someone stops them ! I have witnessed it first hand ! Some of these narcissists/psychopaths have NO conscience, no morals, no boundaries, and love to constantly antagonize you to see your reaction. Also, they may use previous victimization as a weapon to exploit, manipulate, and undermine your abilities. It is like dealing with a Jeckyl and Hyde...- no joke !
Why would you just believe anything they say?! Have you spoken to their ex to get the other side of the story? No? Then you need to be smart and reserve judgement...he could have something to hide. You empaths seem to only have empathy when sex is involved...how about having some empathy for their ex? Or maybe look into it more...maybe the ex is actually their wife.
Donot change yourself for any body. Never. If you are beautiful shine better. Hiding your shine will only make them think their methods are working and they will not stop until they utterly annihilate you.
I totally agree. I specifically checked comments to see if anybody else saw this discrepancy. They will be envious no matter how much of a pit u are in.
@@theenlightenedtarget yes we certainly are...and this movement will help break future generational trauma for so many. I'm in the process of starting my own channel in 2020! Thank you for doing what you do.
Those that do not believe that you are innocent or genuinely look into it to find out if you are innocent and then believe it, need to be jettisoned from your life at the speed of light. One size fits all. You are either with me or not. If not the door will be bolted tight to keep you out.
@@ccdm515 They discredit you in such a way that portrays themselves as the "poor victim" and you as "bully" or "abuser".....Even for something as minor as stating your opinion about something they disagreed with (due to their brainwashing and hatred of the truth). Having an opinion different from their's and especially it it's based on facts and truth, is like pouring water on the wicked witch. They can't handle it and will immediately start a smear campaign against you. Kindergartners have more maturity.
@@ccdm515 They discredit you in such a way that portrays themselves as the "poor victim" and you as "bully" or "abuser".....Even for something as minor as stating your opinion about something they disagreed with (due to their brainwashing and hatred of the truth). Having an opinion different from their's and especially it it's based on facts and truth, is like pouring water on the wicked witch. They can't handle it and will immediately start a smear campaign against you. Kindergartners have more maturity.
Everything you've mentioned is extremely accurate. I met this narcissistic friend 10 yrs ago and she exhibited all the traits . Fortunately, I avoided her at all cost 1 yr ago when she smeared my reputation which initially hurt me so deeply and I went no contact blocking her from all social medias and made myself invisible to her and those whom she smeared my reputation. I've healed since then 😊
What I have learned recently is that your own track record speaks for itself. If people know you for who you really are, they will not believe the Narcissist. After all, the Narcissist have a reputation, too
I once completely flipped of a narc who was on a smear campaign against me, the narc in question was a family member, and known to be a liar, while I have an reputation for being honest and Frank. So one day I came home and saw the narc in the living room by him self and completely provoked him. Knowing full well he was gonna cry wolf since the whole smear campaign was based on me being a bully and out to get him. So I threatened him. And preceded to go to my room and take a shower. Few minutes later I came out with the whole family in the living room, and the narc playing the victim. So they asked me what happened and I completly acted surprised. I was like I just came home from work and went to the shower I didn't even know he was home 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and then I proceeded to remind everyone of our reputations and as such no one believed him. It brought him to tears for once he was the real victim but no one believed him. It was glorious to say the least.
Thanks for all the advice. I've never dealt with this before this year. I'm not sure how I feel about the "gray rock" method - maybe it would work for some situations. Since we are in a pandemic, nobody really "sees" each other, so not sure the narcissist can move on. It's been 8 months. My jaw dropped when you said the narcissist might say you're "unstable" or "mentally ill".. that is EXACTLY what this person said about me to a friend. My friend responded with, "hm.. that's not been my experience with her." so yes I think the truth will prevail, eventually.
"The other, wonderful advantage to not engaging is that it drives the narcissist absolutely crazy. They live for the reaction." This is so true, and not engaging is my favourite method for dealing with narcissists. Once you realise how effective this is, it's a lot of fun to play with the narcissist... by not playing with them at all. This drives them _crazy._ Narcissists have succeeded with their techniques for so long that they never had to learn any others, and are probably completely incapable of learning, because their minds are really very simple (Their oversimplified, binary thinking, and their childish behaviour are prime indicators of this). This inability to learn and adapt makes them a joy to mess with. Every time they try to provoke a reaction, you give them nothing. You act like they don't exist. And then watch them melt down. Then they come back and try the same tactic again... and again... and again... while you're laughing inside. Unable to learn, _they will keep trying the same tactics all the way to their graves._ I don't have words to describe the satisfaction that gives me.
This lecture is spot on! Our host has the best education for these matters - experience and deep thought. I have had five of these high spectrum Narcissists to deal with over 45 years. Four female and one male. The damage they do is described in these lectures. The male in our experience went to jail ultimately for his behavior rooted in NPD. One of the females almost went to jail. I could write a book, but this RUclips collection is quite sufficient. Thanks, for your work.
Wow you just said something so key I have not heard this from anyone else. That they try to control how other people see see you because they can no longer control you.
Thank you for this post... I found out at 19 that my Mother had been smearing me to family members for years... Unfortunately, I didn't know what a smear campaign was then... I just thought it just.... Honestly, I didn't know WHAT to think, but I was hurt. And that led me to trust her less, then. Knowing what I know now, I know better than to trust her at all. This year I will be 50 years old. It's a shame.
The part that is so unfair is going from a very sensitive, compassionate, empath, to a grey rock. I feel like a stone now after realizing my sensitivity was feeding the narc and having to hold back tears and show no reaction to things that use to make me just burst out in tears, like something on the news of a animal or child being mistreated. My whole life people have told me I'm to/so sensitive. When I was younger I hated it when people told me that, I remember my throat hurting numerous times trying to fight back my tears from something I seen or heard that made me emotional. I finally came to grips with it, and realized that is just a part of who I am, and there is nothing wrong with being to/so sensitive. After being made to feel like something was wrong with me after being told that so much. Now here I am again having to hide/ hold back a part of who I am, and now I'm just a grey rock. I try and find a silver lining in everything and want to say perhaps its helped me be a little stronger of a person, but also worried that I will just loose that part of me altogether. It's a two edged sword. But for now for the sake of being a target I shall be the ugliest most boring grey rock you ever probably never seen.
Welcome to the club. I am a highly sensitive empath who had to go grey rock 4 years ago. I actually gained weight, stopped wearing makeup, and just stopped talking with them for anything unnecessary (and I live with them). I have chronic pain so it is taking me ages to move out and go no contact, but I know that will be a wonderful day!
My dad’s 3rd wife and their golden child smeared me to rest of family. Turned everyone away from me. Most traumatic experience you can ever go through. The 3rd wife, my dad, golden child & a flying monkey uncle attempted to hoover me back into the hornet’s nest but by then I had too much education about the family dysfunction. Thank you so much for these excellent videos. You’re helping so many see the truth about how narcissists destroy lives. Subscribed & sharing!
You're teachings are direct from heaven, thank you so much. We don't get these taught at church, although they're there to truth-tell they are often toxic regarding inter-personal relationships
These lessons are so valuable. We need to recognize these patterns because we will be the target in a personal relationship, with a boss or coworker, with the head of the parent-teacher association, with the condominium board. They are everywhere.
3:15 One day, the narcissist and I was discussing a topic. She started a whole conversation with herself with my replies and everything. I was amazed at how much she believed her whole argument with herself. Then, she starts blaming me for what she thought I had said.😳 I asked her, "When did I said that?" She continued as if I said it. This video gives me a confirmation to what I was thinking. Thank you.
They don't believe their own lies. If they did truly believe it, the lie would be constant and consistent - but, it's not, each story changes according to what fits them best at a given moment.
I wanted to shed some light on that if I could. I figured out what happened. Because some people don’t accept you for you, love you unconditionally. They sometimes can look past you. Depending on the size of the ago doing the bidding, they can be very grandiose in matters of divorce. In our case, the x husband was being a bad guy in real time in front of others and it was NO SECRET. He immediately began trying to point fingers at his victim. Where it got complicated was when family got involved. Now me and her are dealing with a person with god only knows her motive, trying to tell stories, offer light on stuff with no new information. Yucky stuff. She takes it easy and stay home, has no hobbies, no activities, and she’s bipolar. I’m suspecting her of being borderline for this attack. It was totally irresponsible to relay stories from somebody else’s panic. He put her through hell. I saw it. So anybody trying to tell our truth is a massive panic feeling, because this guy was so volatile. Thanks JILL. Thoughts or comments if you’d like. ❤i got a lot from the video. Made us both feel better. Kinda identifies the monster so to speak. 😉💯👈🏻
Largely agree with this with one caveat: My experience with one narcissist is that I did leave him alone and yet he continued to come at me as a weak target. Ultimately, what I stumbled onto, was a rather risky but powerful gambit. Hope you enjoy: 7) Figure out what their hot button is... and push it in front of others. Narcissists drink their own cool aid as TET points out and often believe they're invulnerable. One particular narcissist disliked the fact I was social and friendly and while I avoided him for months, he was still launching attacking against me (unbeknownst to me). I engaged in the innocent, but objectionable (in his view) behavior after he had a long day and was in front of other people and he snapped and lost it. He dropped his mask and behaved badly. I didn't back down, and called him out. He was like a deer in the headlights. He lost all credibility in front of everyone. The challenge to these largely passive approaches, some of which I have used successfully, is that they don't work every time. You need more than one hammer in the toolbox. So I personally use observe, not absorb as TET suggests and then spring my trap. One neat thing about narcissists is they become predictable meaning one can set up nice juicy bait that they're sure to bite on. Just one thing: When you spring the trap, view it as like fishing: You're gonna have one angry fish on the hook so be prepared to go through with it. Don't feel bad that they're suffering (because they play on their target's human sympathy).
Genius. My family has been hounding me since they noticed I bought myself a MacBook Pro. I saved for 4 years... but to them- I have and they don’t. My sister was drunk this Christmas and made me feel bad about my long hair and my freckles and lack of make up use.. the computer.. it was incredible.. I hadn’t seen them all year really.. and they blew my mind- their behaviors are actually getting worse
Excellent advice, but no way ever I would change what I like and who I am to make them comfortable and feeling elevated! That part I don’t agree with because that goes into changing a person’s identity and uniqueness. That would make me more miserable while dealing with the hell they put me through. They just gots ta go, bottom line! However again, great advice!
The grey rock advice is only for people who can't get away from a narc and can't go no contact. If they're still married to one, have kids with one or work with one. It's actually great advice for people who still have to have a narc in their life. I know it seems counterintuitive but dealing with a narc is not like dealing with a normal person. They are truly evil people.
I stopped all reaction to the smear campaign and attempts to provoke a reaction out of me from the Narc and his flying monkeys. The result is they got increasingly more frustrated and desperate they began to make fools of themselves trying to artificially engineer/manufacture conflict, and make me look like the culprit. No Reaction, I just remained my normal calm happy self.
Very well explained, thank you. I am going through the smear campaign as we speak, I have gone no contact to the flying monkeys, sooo hard sometimes!!! I have come so close to saying something but have to remind myself that's just what the Narc wants. To everyone out there that has gone through or are going through, keep strong look after yourselves and show them that you don't care. God bless you out there🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much! I have someone who is constantly putting me down and trying to embarrass me infront of people. From now on, I'm just going to ignore him.
If something is done that is illegal to smear/victimize the suitable target, then the victim has the right to file charges (False medical diagnosis- HEP C, mental health /SUD issues, infant daughter, "Defamation of Character" , planting false evidence, illegal entries in apartments/rented room, destruction/theft of property, etc). In addition, when you realize that you have come across a narcissist/psychopath, plan accordingly. Thank you Jill, and just like you, I have been terrorized as well. However, two things come into mind upon your video. 1st- No one should ever have to CONSTANTLY live their lives, according to someone else's malignant psychopathic jealousies ! 2nd- Certain states in the US do recognize that psychological and financial abuse are just as harmful as physical abuse. Last, the TRUTH will prevail and justice will be served ! Today !! 👍👍🗽⚖️
Hi Jill, first of all I just wanna say what a huge help your videos do for me and for all other empaths out there, thank you so much for this, ❤️. It’s just sad that we, as empaths have to make ourselves look as bad as them to avoid clashing with them.
thank you ma'am. I am currently going through a terrible smear campaign with a supervisor of mine. Thus is why I have been listening to many channels searching for advise on dealing with it. Your breakdown Is absolutely hands down better than all of the other channels I've heard to date.
My X smeared my good name from here to eternity I just couldn't believe what he was saying about me. I am so grateful that I just kept a dignified silence,. I always thought that Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.... Wow !!! was I wrong , cannot believe how much he loved to talk about me to anyone who had a pulse. I was amazed at how much narcs love to talk. So glad I never did., even before I knew what NPD was. And all because I just walked away.... we are not allowed to leave , how dare we !! I do love Karma don't you ??
I finally learned not to react, and respond instead, very calmly, it drives them into a rage, and once you see this, or feel it, it becomes so easy, they reveal themselves, call them on their lies, and if they feel the truth will hurt more, they will gladly give it to you , if they think it might hurt enough to get you to react, but alas , they have admitted to lying, case closed , good time to become that "grey rock"
I live in a small town my former narcissist has literally sent an army of idiots after me so I'm keeping to myself reading my books working out doing my mindfulness saving my money I'm getting the hell out of here soon as this Corona thing blows over
@Roch Xavier thank you that one made me laugh this town is like a Twilight Zone episode but if you knew what I went through to find a home I have C PTSD BPD Asperger's and if they keep it up I will have LMNOP😁😂🤣😂🤣 I love it when good people respond I will do the best I can by the way since you are a RUclipsr I tell this to everyone because I think they are really angels a light in a dark world check out the harp twins I was seriously thinking about stepping in front of a train and found them on RUclips right after I found the Little Drummer girl I call her yoyoka I actually found yoyoka which kept me going first she does a song called Happy to see a child that loves her music so much her radiant smile pulled me out of a really bad one she is a phenomenal drummer I can't quite remember the song I heard her do first but my favorite one to play when I am down is happy thank you I comment a lot on RUclips I watch dr. Ramani a lot I told her I was a narcissist magnet she actually had an episode called narcissist magnet it was the next one to pop up I isolate a lot but I am actually an outgoing person I have a good sense of humor I am quite talented people despise me in this town I will leave after this Corona thing blows over I have no idea where I will go I have a very hard time finding housing when I get there some days I am strong some days I break down like a child thank you so much for your comment much love big spiritual hug from Silas💞💔❤🙏
@Roch Xavier thank you again for your kindness it is a powerful love we stick together these children of abuse it makes us stronger sometimes we crumble like pastry it is beautiful to know that someone that doesn't even know you cares I'm a trained lifesaver I have save some the thing that stopped me from quitting this world is maybe I can save another it is the most beautiful feeling in the world I hate to compare it to a junkie's rush but it is like that good night and God bless and thank you so much there are days I just can't stop the tears so I let them flow and then I sleep the sleep of babies with no bad dreams👶🧚♀️
Omg,that's so true,my soon to ex mother in law and her son (almost ex husband)are always saying things Jody(the ex)is always saying that I'm talking about her or her family,(then she threatens to hit me with her imaginary 2×4,or shoot me)thereby creating the worthless circle again.I'm always watching my back,until my escape.🙃
"Well Mr/Ms. Narci, that's definitely ONE way of looking at things... Can you show me an example of what you are basing that opinion upon"? (Usually silence) This is an effective put up or shut up phrase that most narci's aren't equipped to respond to because they assume you or the target and and others who may be present will accept their superficial remarks and falsehoods as unchallenged truth. Watching them choke and stammer when gently asked to substantiate their false projections shuts them down (till next time) and exposes their nonsense to all present including FM's and enablers. * Keep your inflection humble and calm when asking them the magic question.
You are exactly right about their accusations being Confessions. Its crazy behavior from a crazy person. Obsession with revenge, vindictiveness,,telling outrageous lies and exaggeration. 😂😂😂
This will be shared with my husband. He spent 20 years married to a narcissist. She spread it around that I broke them up. Not true. I needed to get my head around it and how to deal with it. Thank you so much! I don’t have to deal with it. Better not to engage. Simple.
I think I love you Jill. My faith in God, independent of religion, is what gives me my greatest strength. It's what helped me confidently abandon a group of narcissistic leaders and oblivious followers. Spiritual strength is the greatest strength, it's the only strength.
This is great..... Observe not absorb especially. Only thing I won't dumb down not to offend as a gray rock strategy. I'll just stay away and be great.
I can tell you speak from experience - thank you for all this info - its not talked about enough. I have lost my only remaining family member -my sister to my x husbands lies. But you are right they are not healthy and my yardstick is that if her x husband came to me with lies and slander I would have gone to her and asked some questions - she did not do that. I have also lost my step children to his lies - but I did not react - I did not give any reaction to his actions. Doesn't matter what they say - doesn't matter what they do - only matters what is and I know what is the truth.
Absolutely. DO NOT ENGAGE. SPECIALLY IF THERE IS A FEMALE INVOLVED OR IS PART OF THAT GROUP. With time things went by good on its own. Doo soothing old activities yiu used to do before this. Your body will guide you
I've dealt with zero contact. The people you meet you suspect are narc or self obsessed, I try to be as boring as possible back. Totally unengaged. Who cares what they think about you, dumb, simple whatever. This technique I believe has nipped trouble in its bud. Really great hearing you advise this, it's validating to me on a technique I devised out of sheer protection
You certainly have a gift for getting the message across. Thankyou so much. I'm lucky to be alive. The utter viciousness of these people is a whole different level... They're like a Cancer... I'm now of the opinion that people are overrated. 😂😂😂
No way should you change a thing about you.If they are jealous so be it.Continue your makeup beauty,charm and be the true you.Never change for them in any way you are perfect the way you are.
The best verse I've found for narcs is Romans 3:13...13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.”“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
I agree with most of what you say but I have a big problem with the "downplay yourself" part. Because no matter what you do, pathological narcissists will always, always, ALWAYS find fault with you. If you have coffee in a chic place they'll call you a "phony snob" and if you have your coffee at K-Mart they will call you "poor trash". You can't win with them, EVER.
Hi, really appreciate your channel. I get the gray rock method about not giving a narc the satisfaction of a reaction which if given would most certainly be weaponized against the target. But reshaping one's self, lessening one's self in any capacity for the ego of the narc is a win for the narc. They will have succeeded in re-creating you to their purpose. Beat you into submission. The second the target goes back to being their prior self,, such as wearing lipstick or doing their hair. as in your example, there is no doubt the target will be punished. Because they have been disloyal to the defined expectation of the narc. You will once again be a threat, and once again will be in the line of fire but this time they will double down.
Unfortunately they often envy your character and strength: who you are. They envy your authentic self. Then it is a long haul.
Yep.
I feel like starting over in a new city might be the best way to eliminate this. It's hard to say goodbye to everyone you know, but for me, they're trying to get me fired from work (and a few times succeeded), trying to get me thrown out of homes, and of course, ruining my reputation everywhere I go.
I look forward to a free life where they are not even a blip in the rear view mirror.
They belong in prison.
Quite pathetic, for sure. It's at the point of an at least partial government shutdown, as to free up money being illegally withheld from several people.
They started a smear campaign that is the same, tired bullshit, with no actual basis in fact.
One of the people responsible had multiple verified grooming conversations, slept with minors, beastiality, and is sabotaging coworkers everywhere they've worked, in addition to trafficking.
In the past, they've harassed people out of claiming their checks they are owed. This will not work for me,or anyone else.
The amount of video, text, and email evidence is incredibly damaging
They've been triggering people's PTSD, then attempting to claim that is what they are normally like, which is completely untrue.
This person and those who are flying monkeys for them, are pathological. I think they believe their own lies.
No one actually has to, or needs to work with any of these people. They have ruined their own reputations.
The amount of fraud and money laundering alone, would put them in prison for three life terms. Then we add in all of their assault and actual murder charges.
I've advised a permanent shunning. Pretend they don't exist, immediately turn them in if they commit a crime against you, or anyone else.
This person is a stalker who has harmed an inordinate number of people in his all-consuming need for constant attention
Not to mention the catfishing that is well-established.
I'd feel badly if they weren't an absolutely awful person
As far as I am concerned, this guy doesn't exist.
No one wants a pedo in charge of a group.
I protect children and women, they are exactly the opposite.
He was deemed sane, which means that he is definitely evil and desperate. Pretty lame.
That's exactly what it is 💯 ‼️ 🎯
@@samme1024Has that worked out for you?
Fav part of the video: "the truth always comes out."
@@melindataft4014 Be careful. They might be able to sue you, or get worse because of the publicity!
I really hope the truth comes out with these awful humans.
@@loopyloo788Same.
You are so on point about this. I went through a terrible smear campaign from my narc boss at my job. I was angry and frustrated of how mistreated I was. I was reacting to all the accusations. Then one day I just sort of came to a realization. I have no control over those who attempt to defame my character, and I also have no control over those who choose to believe the lies that are told about me. The only person I have control over is myself. I chose to stop reacting. I chose to take my power back. They had no right to ruin my peace of mind. I had to come to terms with the fact that, yes, some things may fall a apart due to the smear campaign, but those are things that inevitably can be replaced. I can stand true to myself and my values. I learned how to stand my ground but to do it with grace. After I learned this, I felt like a huge burden had been lifted off my shoulders. The narcissist was no longer gonna dictate my mood, and I got my life back.
Same here. Anytime anyone quit or were fired, my boss would invoke a smear campaign against them. It's almost worse to work for a narc than to be in a romantic relationship with one.
This is extremely helpful advice, thank you! Given in a straightforward manner. My ex husband had a narcissist collapse at age 42. All of his hookers, hoes and crack heads have left and he is going to prison after 17 years of horrendous abuse. I used gray rock, video recording, called the police and moved many times. Thank God I survived his smear campaign and it’s really sad but I am glad I can escape from him now. I really appreciate your channel, it’s very important for my recovery. 🙏
Angel Alari with lessons comes blessings. Welcome to the free world I'm glad you got out safely.
Oh, no way! Downgrade yourself?? No way, never play Small to appease to them. They're never satisfied anyways
I so agree! It's so much worse when you play small. They respond better to disdain.
@@MR-tr2fz I've experienced the same!
In some ways, this advice to downgrade yourself for the sake of the narcissist pissed me off almost as much as the narcissist! My insides were screaming, "B.S."
Thankfully, most of Jill's other content is great and makes complete sense. It just goes to show everyone here that WE, THE VIEWERS, still have to filter through this information for what works FOR US!
@@russhamel Even though it would feel awful to downgrade yourself, I look at it differently, first, because you say something to stroke a Narc ego does not mean you believe what you are saying, its self preservation, I believe it is a tool to use to stay safe and or stay alive until you can safely remove yourself from the situation, some people in these relationships can not just pick up and leave any time, everyone"s circumstances are different, and some are truly in danger. I would only use this method to stay safe until I could get away.
@@cathypeters8346 good point! As mentioned in my previous comment, every situation is different and as a means of self-preservation, this indeed may be an appropriate solution.
Don’t react. Let them say as they please. A narc tried to ruin my relationship with my kids. They came back as adults. Narcs never win!
Makes it easier for me to know who I might want to associate with. Anyone who will make judgements of someone they don't even know based on mean gossip (that keeps changing) is someone I don't care to know anyway.
💯 People who believe in gossip and slander don’t deserve anyone’s company if they are so easily swayed by words.
Everything you’ve stated is very accurate. Great video. Take this advice if you are new to dealing with this type of person or now aware of what they are doing. If not, you risk going round and round in a vicious cycle. They will always draw you back into their games etc. Empaths have an especially difficult time with narcissists because we feel sorry for them and believe what they say. No contact is best. ❤️
Grey rock.
@Anna Gunn @mom could you advise me on what to do when your being bullied, and Slandered, and accused of stealing someone's account this vicious Slander is out of control..
I have learned not to feel sorry for them, for they do things with intent to harm ! Some of these individuals are vicious, and will NOT stop until someone stops them ! I have witnessed it first hand ! Some of these narcissists/psychopaths have NO conscience, no morals, no boundaries, and love to constantly antagonize you to see your reaction. Also, they may use previous victimization as a weapon to exploit, manipulate, and undermine your abilities. It is like dealing with a Jeckyl and Hyde...- no joke !
Why would you just believe anything they say?! Have you spoken to their ex to get the other side of the story? No? Then you need to be smart and reserve judgement...he could have something to hide. You empaths seem to only have empathy when sex is involved...how about having some empathy for their ex? Or maybe look into it more...maybe the ex is actually their wife.
Donot change yourself for any body. Never. If you are beautiful shine better. Hiding your shine will only make them think their methods are working and they will not stop until they utterly annihilate you.
You are absolutely right.
I totally agree. I specifically checked comments to see if anybody else saw this discrepancy. They will be envious no matter how much of a pit u are in.
I think that your channel is going to be very successful. I'm glad that I found you! Very good tips here. ❤
Heather Coleman-Voss how kind of you. Thank you so much. I’m glad you are here. We are all in this battle together.
@@theenlightenedtarget yes we certainly are...and this movement will help break future generational trauma for so many. I'm in the process of starting my own channel in 2020! Thank you for doing what you do.
Really helpful tips.
80,000 subscribers BEFORE you noticed it, I think she's already there 😉
Those that do not believe that you are innocent or genuinely look into it to find out if you are innocent and then believe it, need to be jettisoned from your life at the speed of light. One size fits all. You are either with me or not. If not the door will be bolted tight to keep you out.
@@ccdm515 They discredit you in such a way that portrays themselves as the "poor victim" and you as "bully" or "abuser".....Even for something as minor as stating your opinion about something they disagreed with (due to their brainwashing and hatred of the truth). Having an opinion different from their's and especially it it's based on facts and truth, is like pouring water on the wicked witch. They can't handle it and will immediately start a smear campaign against you. Kindergartners have more maturity.
@@ccdm515 They discredit you in such a way that portrays themselves as the "poor victim" and you as "bully" or "abuser".....Even for something as minor as stating your opinion about something they disagreed with (due to their brainwashing and hatred of the truth). Having an opinion different from their's and especially it it's based on facts and truth, is like pouring water on the wicked witch. They can't handle it and will immediately start a smear campaign against you. Kindergartners have more maturity.
Reese Daniel, exactly what my half sister & her mother have done to me.
@@ccdm515 SO TRUE
Very well said!
Everything you've mentioned is extremely accurate. I met this narcissistic friend 10 yrs ago and she exhibited all the traits . Fortunately, I avoided her at all cost 1 yr ago when she smeared my reputation which initially hurt me so deeply and I went no contact blocking her from all social medias and made myself invisible to her and those whom she smeared my reputation. I've healed since then 😊
What I have learned recently is that your own track record speaks for itself. If people know you for who you really are, they will not believe the Narcissist. After all, the Narcissist have a reputation, too
I once completely flipped of a narc who was on a smear campaign against me, the narc in question was a family member, and known to be a liar, while I have an reputation for being honest and Frank. So one day I came home and saw the narc in the living room by him self and completely provoked him. Knowing full well he was gonna cry wolf since the whole smear campaign was based on me being a bully and out to get him. So I threatened him. And preceded to go to my room and take a shower. Few minutes later I came out with the whole family in the living room, and the narc playing the victim. So they asked me what happened and I completly acted surprised. I was like I just came home from work and went to the shower I didn't even know he was home 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and then I proceeded to remind everyone of our reputations and as such no one believed him. It brought him to tears for once he was the real victim but no one believed him. It was glorious to say the least.
Fight them with their own weapons, good one!
The student becomes the teacher. This is not healthy.
@@TiggerNyeah bet it felt damn good tho
Thanks for all the advice. I've never dealt with this before this year. I'm not sure how I feel about the "gray rock" method - maybe it would work for some situations. Since we are in a pandemic, nobody really "sees" each other, so not sure the narcissist can move on. It's been 8 months. My jaw dropped when you said the narcissist might say you're "unstable" or "mentally ill".. that is EXACTLY what this person said about me to a friend. My friend responded with, "hm.. that's not been my experience with her." so yes I think the truth will prevail, eventually.
"The other, wonderful advantage to not engaging is that it drives the narcissist absolutely crazy. They live for the reaction."
This is so true, and not engaging is my favourite method for dealing with narcissists. Once you realise how effective this is, it's a lot of fun to play with the narcissist... by not playing with them at all. This drives them _crazy._ Narcissists have succeeded with their techniques for so long that they never had to learn any others, and are probably completely incapable of learning, because their minds are really very simple (Their oversimplified, binary thinking, and their childish behaviour are prime indicators of this).
This inability to learn and adapt makes them a joy to mess with. Every time they try to provoke a reaction, you give them nothing. You act like they don't exist. And then watch them melt down. Then they come back and try the same tactic again... and again... and again... while you're laughing inside. Unable to learn, _they will keep trying the same tactics all the way to their graves._
I don't have words to describe the satisfaction that gives me.
You’re a mess, and most likely a narcissist yourself based on your ‘joy’ of messing with someone
I agree you would think that the narcissist and the flying monkeys would find a better Hobby
It’s just remarkable how accurate all of her videos are regarding narcissistic abuse. It’s like she has been inside my soul watching my entire life.
This lecture is spot on! Our host has the best education for these matters - experience and deep thought. I have had five of these high spectrum Narcissists to deal with over 45 years. Four female and one male. The damage they do is described in these lectures. The male in our experience went to jail ultimately for his behavior rooted in NPD. One of the females almost went to jail. I could write a book, but this RUclips collection is quite sufficient. Thanks, for your work.
David Postma thank you so much!
" one of the females NEARLY went to prison...but the male did"....could you possibly expand on this.
I wish you would write a book!
I'm in a similar situation! I am trying to gather evidence!
Wow you just said something so key I have not heard this from anyone else. That they try to control how other people see see you because they can no longer control you.
Really needed to hear this! These things are right on the money.
No contact is the best.
All will come out in the wash.
Thank you for this post... I found out at 19 that my Mother had been smearing me to family members for years... Unfortunately, I didn't know what a smear campaign was then... I just thought it just.... Honestly, I didn't know WHAT to think, but I was hurt. And that led me to trust her less, then. Knowing what I know now, I know better than to trust her at all. This year I will be 50 years old. It's a shame.
The part that is so unfair is going from a very sensitive, compassionate, empath, to a grey rock. I feel like a stone now after realizing my sensitivity was feeding the narc and having to hold back tears and show no reaction to things that use to make me just burst out in tears, like something on the news of a animal or child being mistreated. My whole life people have told me I'm to/so sensitive. When I was younger I hated it when people told me that, I remember my throat hurting numerous times trying to fight back my tears from something I seen or heard that made me emotional. I finally came to grips with it, and realized that is just a part of who I am, and there is nothing wrong with being to/so sensitive. After being made to feel like something was wrong with me after being told that so much. Now here I am again having to hide/ hold back a part of who I am, and now I'm just a grey rock. I try and find a silver lining in everything and want to say perhaps its helped me be a little stronger of a person, but also worried that I will just loose that part of me altogether. It's a two edged sword. But for now for the sake of being a target I shall be the ugliest most boring grey rock you ever probably never seen.
Welcome to the club.
I am a highly sensitive empath who had to go grey rock 4 years ago. I actually gained weight, stopped wearing makeup, and just stopped talking with them for anything unnecessary (and I live with them).
I have chronic pain so it is taking me ages to move out and go no contact, but I know that will be a wonderful day!
My dad’s 3rd wife and their golden child smeared me to rest of family. Turned everyone away from me. Most traumatic experience you can ever go through. The 3rd wife, my dad, golden child & a flying monkey uncle attempted to hoover me back into the hornet’s nest but by then I had too much education about the family dysfunction. Thank you so much for these excellent videos. You’re helping so many see the truth about how narcissists destroy lives. Subscribed & sharing!
I was amazed to discover how many people actually believed my narcissists smearing and gaslighting.
You're teachings are direct from heaven, thank you so much. We don't get these taught at church, although they're there to truth-tell they are often toxic regarding inter-personal relationships
Thank you for your warnings to flee malignant narcissists. I underscore your warning. It’s the only path to a safe life and a better one.
When they have your children ...
I have children with two narc mothers ..
And I'm devastated.
Stay on channels like this and know that people are praying for you to overcome
My ex husband took our son, and poisoned the mind of our adult daughter against me. Horrific.
God help those children then 🙏
These lessons are so valuable. We need to recognize these patterns because we will be the target in a personal relationship, with a boss or coworker, with the head of the parent-teacher association, with the condominium board. They are everywhere.
Great encouragement regarding smear campaigns
Thank you Jill
The best defence is having "EVIDENCE" and ace cards that are irruftable .....
They will run !!!
Yep, I have video and audio evidence,I am saving it for when he tries to make trouble for me legally,if he does,it will come out
I can't tell how much your channel has been helping me through my separation from a 12 year narcissist relationship...thank you so much.
3:15 One day, the narcissist and I was discussing a topic. She started a whole conversation with herself with my replies and everything. I was amazed at how much she believed her whole argument with herself. Then, she starts blaming me for what she thought I had said.😳
I asked her, "When did I said that?" She continued as if I said it.
This video gives me a confirmation to what I was thinking. Thank you.
I can tell by the look in their eyes that they at the time truly believe their own lies. They write better fantasy than J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis.
"Evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived..." 2 Tim 3:13 ..
They don't believe their own lies. If they did truly believe it, the lie would be constant and consistent - but, it's not, each story changes according to what fits them best at a given moment.
You are very likeable and i really appreciate your videos. I can see God's kindness in you. God bless you
Excellent guidance. Thank you, Jill.
Soozin thank you so much.
Thank you for yet another excellent video. Great set of techniques in dealing with narcissists. Especially the observe don't absorb technique.
I wanted to shed some light on that if I could. I figured out what happened. Because some people don’t accept you for you, love you unconditionally. They sometimes can look past you. Depending on the size of the ago doing the bidding, they can be very grandiose in matters of divorce. In our case, the x husband was being a bad guy in real time in front of others and it was NO SECRET. He immediately began trying to point fingers at his victim. Where it got complicated was when family got involved. Now me and her are dealing with a person with god only knows her motive, trying to tell stories, offer light on stuff with no new information. Yucky stuff. She takes it easy and stay home, has no hobbies, no activities, and she’s bipolar. I’m suspecting her of being borderline for this attack. It was totally irresponsible to relay stories from somebody else’s panic. He put her through hell. I saw it. So anybody trying to tell our truth is a massive panic feeling, because this guy was so volatile. Thanks JILL. Thoughts or comments if you’d like. ❤i got a lot from the video. Made us both feel better. Kinda identifies the monster so to speak. 😉💯👈🏻
A great summary of the destructiveness of the personality and steps to protect yourself from it. Thank you!
This has been happening to me over the past several months. God bless you for your wisdom.
Largely agree with this with one caveat:
My experience with one narcissist is that I did leave him alone and yet he continued to come at me as a weak target. Ultimately, what I stumbled onto, was a rather risky but powerful gambit. Hope you enjoy:
7) Figure out what their hot button is... and push it in front of others.
Narcissists drink their own cool aid as TET points out and often believe they're invulnerable. One particular narcissist disliked the fact I was social and friendly and while I avoided him for months, he was still launching attacking against me (unbeknownst to me).
I engaged in the innocent, but objectionable (in his view) behavior after he had a long day and was in front of other people and he snapped and lost it. He dropped his mask and behaved badly. I didn't back down, and called him out. He was like a deer in the headlights. He lost all credibility in front of everyone.
The challenge to these largely passive approaches, some of which I have used successfully, is that they don't work every time. You need more than one hammer in the toolbox.
So I personally use observe, not absorb as TET suggests and then spring my trap. One neat thing about narcissists is they become predictable meaning one can set up nice juicy bait that they're sure to bite on. Just one thing: When you spring the trap, view it as like fishing: You're gonna have one angry fish on the hook so be prepared to go through with it. Don't feel bad that they're suffering (because they play on their target's human sympathy).
Don't feel bad when the thing suffers, because it loves to watch you and everybody else suffer. There is no love in the thing, only evil.
Genius. My family has been hounding me since they noticed I bought myself a MacBook Pro. I saved for 4 years... but to them- I have and they don’t. My sister was drunk this Christmas and made me feel bad about my long hair and my freckles and lack of make up use.. the computer.. it was incredible.. I hadn’t seen them all year really.. and they blew my mind- their behaviors are actually getting worse
This is going to be very helpful to make me heal. You are doing great thing, you saved my life.
Defamation is a criminal offence in most countries. If you can get proof, sue them.
I have no money to sue. He left me destitute.
Currently going through it nw and waiting for a solicitor to contact me xxx
You are so right about,the delusions,when you dont engage with the narcissist, it gets worse,they up there hoovering,or antagonism.
Excellent advice, but no way ever I would change what I like and who I am to make them comfortable and feeling elevated! That part I don’t agree with because that goes into changing a person’s identity and uniqueness. That would make me more miserable while dealing with the hell they put me through. They just gots ta go, bottom line! However again, great advice!
I absolutely agree and I wrote a separate reply to further comment on this erroneous advice.
The grey rock advice is only for people who can't get away from a narc and can't go no contact. If they're still married to one, have kids with one or work with one. It's actually great advice for people who still have to have a narc in their life. I know it seems counterintuitive but dealing with a narc is not like dealing with a normal person. They are truly evil people.
This so awesome. Observe dont absorb. Look plain Jane. Stop posting on social media. All this makes perfect sense. Thank you so much . Very helpful.
Point #2 is what keeps me quiet & motivated.
You ARE enlightened...and a really good teacher! Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us. Subscribed.
I stopped all reaction to the smear campaign and attempts to provoke a reaction out of me from the Narc and his flying monkeys. The result is they got increasingly more frustrated and desperate they began to make fools of themselves trying to artificially engineer/manufacture conflict, and make me look like the culprit.
No Reaction, I just remained my normal calm happy self.
Very well explained, thank you. I am going through the smear campaign as we speak, I have gone no contact to the flying monkeys, sooo hard sometimes!!! I have come so close to saying something but have to remind myself that's just what the Narc
wants. To everyone out there that has gone through or are going through, keep strong look after yourselves and show them that you don't care. God bless you out there🙏🙏🙏
Love this channel. ❤️ She clearly has real life experience but also has made a great life helping others- the best revenge IS SUCCESS...
Thank you so much! I have someone who is constantly putting me down and trying to embarrass me infront of people. From now on, I'm just going to ignore him.
Truly wise advice. I feel if you follow the 5-6 steps you will go from Victim to Victor. As this is a work in progress for me. Amen 😔
If something is done that is illegal to smear/victimize the suitable target, then the victim has the right to file charges (False medical diagnosis- HEP C, mental health /SUD issues, infant daughter, "Defamation of Character" , planting false evidence, illegal entries in apartments/rented room, destruction/theft of property, etc).
In addition, when you realize that you have come across a narcissist/psychopath, plan accordingly.
Thank you Jill, and just like you, I have been terrorized as well. However, two things come into mind upon your video. 1st- No one should ever have to CONSTANTLY live their lives, according to someone else's malignant psychopathic jealousies !
2nd- Certain states in the US do recognize that psychological and financial abuse are just as harmful as physical abuse.
Last, the TRUTH will prevail and justice will be served ! Today !! 👍👍🗽⚖️
We should be looking into healthy attachment with the next generations so they are less likely to become such a damaged and damaging person.
Hi Jill, first of all I just wanna say what a huge help your videos do for me and for all other empaths out there, thank you so much for this, ❤️. It’s just sad that we, as empaths have to make ourselves look as bad as them to avoid clashing with them.
You are such a delight!!! Thank you for your wisdom and lovely serene voice!!🙏😍❤️...so grateful to have found you!!!
thank you ma'am. I am currently going through a terrible smear campaign with a supervisor of mine. Thus is why I have been listening to many channels searching for advise on dealing with it. Your breakdown Is absolutely hands down better than all of the other channels I've heard to date.
Now everything makes sense to me. Thank you!
My X smeared my good name from here to eternity
I just couldn't believe what he was saying about me.
I am so grateful that I just kept a dignified silence,.
I always thought that Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.... Wow !!! was I wrong , cannot believe how much he loved to talk about me to anyone who had a pulse. I was amazed at how much narcs love to talk. So glad I never did., even before I knew what NPD was.
And all because I just walked away.... we are not allowed to leave , how dare we !! I do love Karma don't you ??
Great advice. Good luck with ur channel.
Spot on Jill.
Thank you so much. This has helped me so much.
Great advice! Thanks!
This is really great the way you explain this out. I hope we can all get through this:)❤️💔❤️
Jill I recently discovered your awesome channel!! Thank you so much for sharing this meaningful information.
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge! This video is very useful!
FANTASTIC!!! THANK YOU!!!❤
This video saved me. Thank you.
What an awesome video, Thank you so very much. An ah moment!
Wooooooow
Totally agree with this 👍🏻
that was extremely helpful!
I finally learned not to react, and respond instead, very calmly, it drives them into a rage, and once you see this, or feel it, it becomes so easy, they reveal themselves, call them on their lies, and if they feel the truth will hurt more, they will gladly give it to you , if they think it might hurt enough to get you to react, but alas , they have admitted to lying, case closed , good time to become that "grey rock"
I live in a small town my former narcissist has literally sent an army of idiots after me so I'm keeping to myself reading my books working out doing my mindfulness saving my money I'm getting the hell out of here soon as this Corona thing blows over
@Roch Xavier thank you that one made me laugh this town is like a Twilight Zone episode but if you knew what I went through to find a home I have C PTSD BPD Asperger's and if they keep it up I will have LMNOP😁😂🤣😂🤣 I love it when good people respond I will do the best I can by the way since you are a RUclipsr I tell this to everyone because I think they are really angels a light in a dark world check out the harp twins I was seriously thinking about stepping in front of a train and found them on RUclips right after I found the Little Drummer girl I call her yoyoka I actually found yoyoka which kept me going first she does a song called Happy to see a child that loves her music so much her radiant smile pulled me out of a really bad one she is a phenomenal drummer I can't quite remember the song I heard her do first but my favorite one to play when I am down is happy thank you I comment a lot on RUclips I watch dr. Ramani a lot I told her I was a narcissist magnet she actually had an episode called narcissist magnet it was the next one to pop up I isolate a lot but I am actually an outgoing person I have a good sense of humor I am quite talented people despise me in this town I will leave after this Corona thing blows over I have no idea where I will go I have a very hard time finding housing when I get there some days I am strong some days I break down like a child thank you so much for your comment much love big spiritual hug from Silas💞💔❤🙏
@Roch Xavier thank you again for your kindness it is a powerful love we stick together these children of abuse it makes us stronger sometimes we crumble like pastry it is beautiful to know that someone that doesn't even know you cares I'm a trained lifesaver I have save some the thing that stopped me from quitting this world is maybe I can save another it is the most beautiful feeling in the world I hate to compare it to a junkie's rush but it is like that good night and God bless and thank you so much there are days I just can't stop the tears so I let them flow and then I sleep the sleep of babies with no bad dreams👶🧚♀️
@@silascochran9705 💝💒🌈
Love and God's blessings from Diane 😃
Omg,that's so true,my soon to ex mother in law and her son (almost ex husband)are always saying things Jody(the ex)is always saying that I'm talking about her or her family,(then she threatens to hit me with her imaginary 2×4,or shoot me)thereby creating the worthless circle again.I'm always watching my back,until my escape.🙃
Great tips !!
Excellent advice. Thank you
The smear campaign is the absolute worst still trying to recover from this and my reputation.
"Well Mr/Ms. Narci, that's definitely ONE way of looking at things... Can you show me an example of what you are basing that opinion upon"? (Usually silence) This is an effective put up or shut up phrase that most narci's aren't equipped to respond to because they assume you or the target and and others who may be present will accept their superficial remarks and falsehoods as unchallenged truth. Watching them choke and stammer when gently asked to substantiate their false projections shuts them down (till next time) and exposes their nonsense to all present including FM's and enablers. * Keep your inflection humble and calm when asking them the magic question.
This is mind blowing for me; it explains two bosses I’ve had.
You are exactly right about their accusations being Confessions. Its crazy behavior from a crazy person. Obsession with revenge, vindictiveness,,telling outrageous lies and exaggeration. 😂😂😂
and 10k pages of documents leaked to prove it hahaha
Not reacting.. takes “the weapon of destruction” -WORDS..out of the situation! Respond simply & use every effort to NOT REACT!
This will be shared with my husband. He spent 20 years married to a narcissist. She spread it around that I broke them up. Not true. I needed to get my head around it and how to deal with it. Thank you so much! I don’t have to deal with it. Better not to engage. Simple.
I think I love you Jill. My faith in God, independent of religion, is what gives me my greatest strength. It's what helped me confidently abandon a group of narcissistic leaders and oblivious followers. Spiritual strength is the greatest strength, it's the only strength.
I too have a relationship with God that is independent of religion. God is the reason for living at all! 😃
This is great..... Observe not absorb especially. Only thing I won't dumb down not to offend as a gray rock strategy. I'll just stay away and be great.
Fell right into this trap at the time I had no idea what the h was going on
Same,fell into their trap. But no worries, I don't care much what people think. Because I know that I am the true victim.
@@StubbornclarityNo you are not the victim! You are the SURVIVOR ❤
I can tell you speak from experience - thank you for all this info - its not talked about enough. I have lost my only remaining family member -my sister to my x husbands lies. But you are right they are not healthy and my yardstick is that if her x husband came to me with lies and slander I would have gone to her and asked some questions - she did not do that. I have also lost my step children to his lies - but I did not react - I did not give any reaction to his actions. Doesn't matter what they say - doesn't matter what they do - only matters what is and I know what is the truth.
Thank you this helps ❤
Absolutely. DO NOT ENGAGE. SPECIALLY IF THERE IS A FEMALE INVOLVED OR IS PART OF THAT GROUP. With time things went by good on its own. Doo soothing old activities yiu used to do before this.
Your body will guide you
I've dealt with zero contact. The people you meet you suspect are narc or self obsessed, I try to be as boring as possible back. Totally unengaged. Who cares what they think about you, dumb, simple whatever. This technique I believe has nipped trouble in its bud. Really great hearing you advise this, it's validating to me on a technique I devised out of sheer protection
You certainly have a gift for getting the message across. Thankyou so much. I'm lucky to be alive. The utter viciousness of these people is a whole different level... They're like a Cancer... I'm now of the opinion that people are overrated. 😂😂😂
Some people are worthy of time, trust, and love. We just need to learn to see them and be open to them. God is my indispensable teacher!
No way should you change a thing about you.If they are jealous so be it.Continue your makeup beauty,charm and be the true you.Never change for them in any way you are perfect the way you are.
The best verse I've found for narcs is Romans 3:13...13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.”“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
Very true
Amen! 🌈
I agree with most of what you say but I have a big problem with the "downplay yourself" part. Because no matter what you do, pathological narcissists will always, always, ALWAYS find fault with you. If you have coffee in a chic place they'll call you a "phony snob" and if you have your coffee at K-Mart they will call you "poor trash". You can't win with them, EVER.
Well said!🙏🏼
The people who believed the narc lost my trust though. Not gonna tolerate any of these people.
Hi, really appreciate your channel. I get the gray rock method about not giving a narc the satisfaction of a reaction which if given would most certainly be weaponized against the target. But reshaping one's self, lessening one's self in any capacity for the ego of the narc is a win for the narc. They will have succeeded in re-creating you to their purpose. Beat you into submission. The second the target goes back to being their prior self,, such as wearing lipstick or doing their hair. as in your example, there is no doubt the target will be punished. Because they have been disloyal to the defined expectation of the narc. You will once again be a threat, and once again will be in the line of fire but this time they will double down.
So well put! However, so difficult when the situation is Grandparent Alienation caused by a daughter-in-law.
Wonderful advice👍💜
Thank you
Dear Jill, you brought up an important statement about narcissism: " they believe their own delusion"
That is in itself something to be horrified at.