UO tier list simplified: Unique classes were designed to be OP, you will have the best outcomes designing squads with them in it. Other classes have specific roles they execute on a team. Utility is king - no matter the game, support units enable your stars to shine. Think of your concept and build your squad to execute on that concept. UO doesn’t have weak classes, you haven’t thought of a way to break it yet.
Hello, I have come out mine Unicorn Overlord cave to tell you I have been enjoying your guide videos. They have motivated me to start a new game and grind the Sigil's Trial to B rank Renown ( so I can promote at the beginning of the game) before I even start the journey and now I would reload that save data and try different tactics. Thank You and now I shall return to mine cave.
Doom Knight's at least A tier, I'd put it in S tier. You're absolutely right about the low HP mechanics being wonky, which is why you ignore them completely. Dark Flame is what you want to build around. Give it a set that gives it 4 AP and 4 PP and you can use Dark Flame three times in a fight, draining HP with each attack then using Demonic Pact to regain AP. This way the Doom Knight effectively gets 6 AP and will constantly be sitting on 75% HP (since it'll heal from full with ever Dark Flame and go back down to 75% from Demonic Pact). Pair one with Berengaria so everyone starts the fight debuffed so those Dark Flames will hit like a TRUCK. I'm talking 150-200 damage row-wide.
This and you can build them around magical as well. Put the belt that allows them to tank a lethal hit as well and they just clean up house while soaking a tone of dmg.. They are a much better version than the berserker imo and have much more flexibility on building them but from testing going magical has been much better than trying to go pure physical. For me he's been my 2nd or 3rd best tank and i can throw him in about any unit i want. Does not need anything to enable him
Awesome Vid! I encourage you to experiment with the Doom Knight! I think it pairs pretty well with Berengaria as Doom Knights dark flame wants to target a debuffed opponent to set them on fire, which Berengaria throws down at the battles start and Berengarias abilities like to target afflicted. I'd throw it mid-to-high A tier myself
Quick tip Berengarias unique that is start of battle doesn’t afflict anything. You can use a thief to blind or some aoe like that however to make that work :)
@@naus6081he’s saying Berengaria’s start of combat debuffs, which improves Doom Knight’s row nuke. Everything Doom Knight does has affliction, which buffs Berengaria.
Doom Knight with Toughness belt/Counter/ and good AP/PP Weapon or shield? I just use mine with the execute Axe and he one shots nearly everything. Even armors
I liked using the lifeshare shield on the doom knight to manipulate its HP, I could use it at specific health thresholds because it’s 50% of your current HP not max. It’s an excellent pairing with a gk with cover shield. The GK covers the DK at dangerous health levels and can cav call his damage. The DK can heal using lifeshare and activate his low HP bonuses.
LOL, Disagree with lots of it but understandable, This is a good list. This game make Item very powerful and can make every class into different playstyle. It beautiful and makes everyone play differently. For example - I found Featherstaff very useful for Dodge frontline because they got 2AP skill that make a row survive with 1 HP, Dodge class tend to die in 1-hit anyway so got a way to negate that is very useful. combine with a 1PP "parting resurrection" staff your dodge Frontline can never die. - Legionary got very bad offensive AP skill but with good TowerShield/Spear that use AP can be very good. And you got 3 of 1PP Magic negate accessory whole game, earliest on 15 Divine shard exchange. - Sniper is very powerful when they get "pursuit" use 2-3 in same squad and when an ally row attack they will pursuit every target, Decimate everything except Legionary. - Landsknecht is C tier for me, on late game enemy rarely got hit on anyone(Except Legionary but i pair them with Cav) make counter useless. - I drop Sergeant because i can't find space for it but seeing you got it work really great.
Sergeant became a suto tank/support for me.. Can enable speed/100% crits for my backline with a good set up and she's tanky enough to live on the front line.. Can get mid tier phy/mag def, 100+ evasion, 90+ hp and around 60+ initiative. She basicly just tosses some blind debufs or focuses a high evasion tank with trustrike and her offensive job is done.. Tank a few shots and get healed up or can have another frontliner that guards for her. After that she just keep up keen calling, active gift, inspiration, tailwind, etc (what ever the backline needs). I'd say she's around high A. Could be S if she offered some debuff support and did more dmg.
The issue I'm having with Gryphon Master units late-ish game (just finished Bastoria) is that there are so many things that just wipe them out that I'm having trouble using them whereas they were a mainstay unit for me previously. I still use it for its speed up ability and to grab things by flying over hills quickly but it has turned into a niche unit for me.
@@PM-xc8oo Arrows are the only thing that they have trouble with, but they have a passive skill that negates arrow damage and grants +1 AP. You could also cover them with another unit easily enough.
Yeah this, I have Fran front line dodge tanking with Alain and then when she switches to offense she gets truestrike, attack up cleaves. Nothing survives past legionaires - which Rosalinde nukes when the first starts. Her only weakness is bows, Alain covers her. No problem. Edit: and of course that amazing valor skill to make your whole army move twice as quickly for 1 valor
the real probleme is there so much possibility that class alone doesn't describe all the potentiel from a class like wyvern and gryphon get access to an accessorie that make them never miss except when you'r blind ( it's a belt that increase damage too when full health ) put dragonwar spear and someone the cat hat to make her act directly and with only 2 unit you have a team that can never be stop 9 time on 10 without loosing a single hp and even without there's equipements that stun a whole line for 2PA, gears change a lot the capacity of one unit.
Every class use Sniper Lens/Amber Lens which gives PP1 True hit or PP2 True hit + Crit. There are unique class items but there are a lot of generic items that do similar things to most of these.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Nah, you don't understand. Wyvern Masters are better than Great Knights. If you go on Coliseum, you can see which classes are best. Wyvern Masters have an AOE charge attack that hits all enemies with Dragoon Warspear. Heaven Wyvern Reign adds 20% damage and True Hit. The other classes that have an AOE charge attack that hit all enemies were given S class by you (Snow Ranger and Sorceress). Here is what Wyvern Masters have over Sorceress and Snow Ranger: - Front line tanks - High evade and double evade against grounded attacks - Deflect makes it take 0 damage from melee attacks - They only need team support with tactics to handle arrows and magic.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming You said Gryphon Masters combat is bad? It has a 150 potency row attack with Aerial Smite! How is that bad? Barely anything survives that.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Wyvern have one of the best stats in the game, S evade, A atk ,B Speed and C crit there's no class with 2 turn skills with better stats, Dragoon War spear is a very high atk weapon the only thing that survive are very tanky enemies and you have 3 slot free to kill anything left and let's be honest it's only high armor enemies will survive so just put a magic dps and there's no weakness in your comp and they can reduce speed of your enemies to make the combo easier to use. That comp is free and carry you against eveything who doesn't blind you at the moment you launch your attack ( it's the only window you have to blind since wyvern speed debuff enemy teams and make your team act first )
I think you could bump up the Werefox up just a bit. It should closer be a high B (Around or a little higher than Rogue), probably could skirt an A if its lucky and I'm also missing something about the class's tool kit. A lot of it's tool kit is very close to the Rogue even with the avoid tanking just with more offensive passive choices and night focused traits instead of ranged attacks and a battle starter. The thing that makes them shine imo is the valor skills Jump and Jump II. Jump is a teleport to an ally unit while Jump II is a teleport to an enemy unit. now the range isn't huge like the mages but being able to bounce around and assist allies, jump over obstacles like walls or rivers, or pop over to a tower to get an assist unit before so it's can't help the other unit is very nice and helps speeds things up.
Doom knight is A tier for me they are definitely my go to squad pair them with berengaria and a cleric they tear down enemy easy. They also can clear Tanks like legionnaire very easy too
Doom Knight is really good. I haven’t felt the need to be at low HP because Vengeful Axe is really not needed. Pairs insanely well with Berengaria because every attack has affliction. One of the only tanks with actual damage.
I love your videos, but putting wereowl in C is CRIMINAL! its easly S tier and i run one in every of my teams. First it has THREE Leader skills at night and there is a endgame item that changes the time of battle on the battlefield. It makes your unit flying and fast and heal assist. Then it gives truestrike to a row of allies and mag defence and heal over time to a row. Also it can dispel buffs instantly to break enemys quick impetus for example AND gives back pp to units. Paired with a feather shild you get an infinite pp loop. Finally a lot of people, you included, overlook the fact that beasts get a boost in all of their stats at night and its not small. At night my owl with 40 int is faster than my dragoon with 46 so its at least 6 points increase! But keep up the good videos. In the end, everybody has different experiences with the classes they use and its difficult to see everything a specific class brings to the table.
I can see wereowl being better in PVP but in PVE there seem to be better support options. Someone else mentioned the stat increase being 10% or so but it is hidden so we can't see what it is. Damage-wise, I didn't noticed a huge increase in damage on the other were units so it seems to be a small buff during night time. As for dispelling buffs, I never found enemy buffs to be an issue almost ever so it isn't clear to me that this matters that much. I do like their passive point battery aspect, that is one of the things I could see being leveraged to do something though it might also just be overkill because 2-3 units can usually kill an entire enemy squad with the support of the other 2-3 units.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming If you pretend the map doesn't exist, fine wereowl is not the best unit. They have some pretty good support skills, but definitely outclassed. Their squishiness is their biggest liability, though, you WILL struggle to keep them alive. But I would still make them my quick impetus + party leader in two sqauds every time over any other unit because they have such great night time mobility on map. Plus the PP battery skill is great in a team with positive synergy like a counter or pursuit unit, evade tank, or also definitely the snow ranger specifically. The biggest problem they have is archer support spam, but that's why you have a werefox leader unit to clear all of the towers immediately... suddenly your super OP Alain/Rosalinde/Amalia team is lagging behind just stepping in when there's a problem.
Wereowls give +1pp with restore which lets you do really good charge attack combos with recast and impetus since youll give those people another opportunity to use a passive so another buff to stack lol, I use it for my glacial range combo which honestly completely broke the game as soon as I got yunify to 30. My 4 person team kills lvl 45s no problem Swordmasters and werefoxes are a bit better than youd think, they both excel at taking out targets before anyone else can move, so you can completely negate a teams weakness right off the bat. Also a team full of werefoxes is hilarious, and doom kinghts, do this Team for doom knights: 2 doom knights dark marquess to debuff, and the stun, buffs dark flame row attack Druid for cursed swamp + defensive and offensive curse, offensive help safely proc vengeance on doom knights, defensive screws over armored Last slot is very flexible but you want it to be able to heal, cleric, wereowl, Elvin archer etc all work Clears very well against a variety, weak against flying depending on flex character, but debuffs can get you through those too
100+ hours in. 100% complete. All classes to 50. All classes max stats via consumables. All shop items purchases. 10x 5-man squads all kitted differently. And 2-3 hours of Arena testing each day. Currently sitting at 5th place on one of the arena servers (yes there are multiple). All of this to say that I am not blowing smoke when I state that DOOM KNIGHT is one of the only generic classes that can use the HOLY UNICORN SHIELD for complete DEBUFF IMMUNITY. This means ALL Afflictions and Stat Reductions are ignored. This Arena cycle we have seen Holy Unicorn Ring and Sacral Brooch as banned items. This is going to leave a minimum of 2 party members without the ability to be immune to DEBUFFS, but using Sacral weapons you can have all 5 with either debuff or affliction immunity. Finding a character who synergizes well with your squad to swap in when an item ban makes them not usable is not an easy task, but if that swap is mounted (2x to infantry) has magic + phy attack combo that hits a row and applies burn, a ridiculous phys attack stat (mine is unbuffed 94 phys attack!) and is topped off by having the spiffiest helmet in the game. DO NOT SLEEP ON DOOM KNIGHT
I will run it in my next run, currently wrapping up mountless, no valor skills, no items (in battle), Rest when stam hits 0 run. It is way easier than it would seem, main quest only might be a good challenge run without banning game mechanics. I will start doing Arena things after I cover all the classes/do a bunch of build vids for each unit and squad builds etc. Interesting to hear about Arena bans, immunity seems great there where everyone is likely trying to shut down enemy squads.
I’d argue Gryphon Master deserves A tier because of the speed boost. Yeah you can use an item, but on True Zenorian items are limited to 5 per battle. Even on lower difficulties with no item restriction, it still offers flight, speed and pretty good combat.
I am fine if people consider them A, I would think B/A is roughly where they are at right now unless the game gets patched or someone shows a really good use case.
doom knight, shieldshooter A - DK just slat spellsteel gear + pendants for AP/PP and he spams rownukes that are not tankable. shieldshooter is a damage dealing tank (that can kill back row at that) that can heal and has an excellent valor skill gryffon S - high swing slaps annoying cavalry, give it initiative and she gives +15 initiative to 2 others. saving you 2 royal plumes for 1 PP. excellent conferral carrier because it can do ranged row attack for 1 AP. not to mention it can also frontline. not to mention the absolutely broken 1 cost valor skill.
Werebear's measly Mobility stat of 50 makes most maps pretty unbearable unless you're constantly using Hastened Call or pairing him with all your Cavs and Gryphs. Even when Bear is not the Leader, he generally seems to slow a unit down to a glacial pace. Very niChe-tier imo. I'll admit, though, that after using more generic Mercs that I chose Stat Growth options for,, the Stat Choices can make a huge difference for a character's usability. It was only when I was nearly done with Albion that I finally realized that you can use an Idealist's Handmirror on your Story Characters to not only customize their color palette, but you can actually "re-spec" them to whatever Stat Growth rates you prefer. So, I'm thinking my weapons are probably good enough and that my Honors might be better-spent on Handmirrors to help my Story Chars have closer-to-optimal stat distros.
I agree with most of these, i would just make some change: Gryphon Master and Doom Knight go up from B to A tier Elven Archer go down from S to A tier. Dreadnought also go down from S to A tier.
How is Dreadnought not S tier?! Give her the Gran Baris to protect her from debuffs and accessories to give her 4 AP and 4 PP and she's gonna be consistently dealing some of the best damage in your team, while at the same time being among your sturdiest units.
I use wereowl as a support unit that does impetus or something, the fast flying as a leader is really good to have in later maps. I just place a very high value on mobility because slow units are so horrible to play. Something that felt pretty bad in this game is that it dumps all of this incredible stuff on you in Drakenhold and Elheim, then you get the last good unit at the start of Bastorias and everything in the last two sections of the games is at best serviceable so it becomes a bit negative dopamine.
I would have been very funny if you somehow managed to miss Housecarl in the last tier list and then Viking in this one 😂 good thing you noticed it at the end… I actually think I agree with almost everything in this list. Bestrals/Feathers could probably move around a bit but they come so late that you don’t have as much time to get a feel for them - and maybe Legionnaire could go up one tier in the very late game - otherwise it’s probably just same-tier movements. Late game Feathersword becomes a potent single-target nuke that can mop up anything left over from a board nuke with Discharge and their 2AP attack, and is probably the best evasion tank in the game (they usually survive OHKOs from enemy truestrikes since they can get pretty high guard rates from shields) Legionnaire can become a potent PP battery for itself, using its AP > 2PP skill which means you can basically force it to exclusively guard and cover squishies (including the whole row). Sainted Knight/the item that provides Magic Conversion (negates magic damage and grants user +2 PP) and their main issue then is just Breakers. Werefox is another great evasion tank, and probably deserves to be around/above Thief imo. Especially since they also use lances, so you can give them row stun etc. Jump is also a pretty good valour skill - essentially another teleport but without full map range. Werebear also has pretty solid damage (row attack and ground based all enemy attack) and can get 100% guard rate too. This is good because they scale based on how high their current HP is. Low initiative hurts them though, but I’d probably say they’re up near Paladin/definitely above Berserker. Warlock, idk if it’s because I’ve done TZ only using named units (so only 1 Witch), still feels like A to me. They lack the teleport and truesight conferral, but they do still have tome conferrals and a row stun that can target the back row, which is pretty solid. For me, in actual play/not coliseum, I tend to favour Bishops over Priestess. In-built Passive Resurrection is great to pair with an evasion class, as them having 1 HP vs full HP barely matters as long as they can then avoid an assist. Lastly Sniper I think is pretty great. A physical row attack that targets the back row (where there’s usually more Mag Def) and doesn’t need charged is solid, and they have high enough initiative to usually be one of the first strikers. Paired with a conferral they can usually OHKO the entire back line with in-built truestrike, meaning you can use an accessory slot for something else. An Elven Archer is a good pair for them, since it makes Ranged Assist stronger too
Bishop is mandatory for spot healing and debuff removal since even with full access to gearing options, can never completely debuff immune a team. I use it in my WR #1 team on coliseum and my kill squad for the entirety of the game. That said, I don't necessarily disagree they are B-tier but in the right comp they are mandatory IMO.
I assume this is before clearing the game, in which case the only Paladin you would have is Josef. There’s absolutely no reason to use him in the mid-to-late game as he gets vastly outclassed in terms of stats. If you compare him to a generic Paladin recruited postgame at the same level he’s waaaay behind. They did Josef real dirty.
@@Fleshlight_Reviewer That's a completely different conclusion from mine... I also set the same growth types and fed Josef to the same level as the generic Paladin. At Lv 35 Josef is at {76, 17, 17, 25, 36, 127, 18, 10, 17, 24}, whereas a generic Paladin with the same growth type has {93, 35, 24, 34, 44, 133, 25, 10, 24, 24}.
I really want to see you do more Online PVP content for this game. It really is a different mindset when evaluating classes and skills that I think is another rabbit hole from this game for you to fall into.
Currently I am focused on PVE content for guides, PVP removes a huge aspect of the game that I enjoy but I will get into it eventually. I also wouldn't mind getting into PVP after a few months of balancing, so I don't need to experience the rollercoaster of balance patches.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming that’s fair! Personally I am enjoying the Wild West of the PVP meta right now because the meta isn’t fully formed and there is still a lot of room to theorycraft new strategies. Looking forward to when you get around to it!
Yeah I had 3 elven fencers across my 4 engame units on true zenoiran, I really like ice conferral and there are 2 ice tomes in the game. Plus I also tend to use flyers so the sylphic barrier is nice, and since they themselves are evade tanks they can support on front line which opens up more combos that involve a lot of squishy units... and then they can put out a little damage to clean up which is a nice bonus. Elven Fencer and Wereowl are my top support units without question.
I think Dark/Doom Knight is great if teamed right...definitely need a Druid/Shaman, and I've got mine with Berenice and Berengaria (the killer B's). This group does massive damage.
The issue with werefox is that they have such low HP, if they catch ONE truestrike... they dead. Also if you are building for max evade, they will be nearly useless with 2 ap and 2 pp? lol maybe 1 additional PP if you dont try for affliction immune and use a non sacral weapon. Now beat the game and unlock Rat boy.. .This man can singlehandedly evade take BETTER than a fox, but he has actual skills built around EVADING LOL! This man can evade 15 attacks in a single fight. AND he comes with the valor skill for movement speed (yep.. same as the flyers get). Werefox was my main for so long.... but she is B rank.
@@unplaya_able5809 Uhh... but... you will have played the entire game by the time you get the rat... so... what is the point of even ranking those units? I guess if it were a PVP tier list Werefox is a decent enough evade tank, doesn't do anything too incredible in a party but honestly worth it for the leader mobility... plus lances are very good in general and they have some good synergy with debuffing units. I would say they're A-S if you count map/board. If the only high mobility units you have are cavs you're going to run into problems in the later maps where there are tons of barricades and mines and you don't always want to be traveling over roads exclusively. For the same reason I would bump owl up to A. Abusing the Day/Night system is very cheap and available around the time you get the werecombatants and it totally transforms your play.
Quick question for you as I am just getting into the game and I don't usually enjoy strategy games but the demo sold me. Does this list take into account the item that lets you rework the stats for the characters? Like when you say Berserker is a generalist because you find their initiative to low. Does that take into account that item that would let you rework the stats to give them more initiative? I saw a video about that item and how there are only so many you can get in some places but you can buy them for 30 renown or whatever at a certain place in the game.
Loved it. There just feels like an insane amount of depth in the game- I still get tripped up by the damn mechanics triggering sometimes or messing up with initiatives. Even the really “meh” classes are able to shine when works done. I do feel some of the unique characters (the elves, mainly, screw them) are over worked and tuned but otherwise everything feels pretty fun. Can we get some meme teams though, like full angel teams? Full elves? (Not just spamming). I feel we take out high lords and dark marquess and try some tribal themed teams it could be interesting
Agreed that swordmaster is a niche and deserve their placement but have you tried equipping them with [Master Gauntlet] and [Lapis Pendant]? Make them act only when their {PP is 1 or below} and watch them hit 100 damage consistently, if you add [Cornix Sword] and invest on dew you can 1 shot gladiator well into late game and deal respectable damage to any frontliner except the Legionnare and the Bear. ^still not survivable as Rogue with their blind as this build rely purely in raw evasion but hey better than doing peanuts to 2/3 of the class
Agree, i inviested on my Swordmaster and is consistently killing a lot of things while tanking with Parry, i feel that is a decent class, at least for B tier
@@jesusmartinez2803 I still would rate them niche C or low B at most with how limited their viable equipment and their dependance on it, since half of their skill set is just bad. Based on my playtime Swordmaster only has 3 viable build, that is the [Rune Sword] route, Keen Strike with [Gambler Coin], and Keen Strike with [Master Gauntlet] stacking buff.
@@noeness3779 This is why I think its weak, since Meteor slash gets wasted so often, and its funny to see 1s fly when enemies use it on my cavalry :) Their start of battle skill also becomes useless fast since you want all ally buff or enemy debuff or board nuke setup instead.
@@somnolence5339 Meteor Sword is the worst skill in the game no cap, they should have add ignore armor% to compensate with how the damage get distributed so much.
I loved featherbow because I can finally build a full archer squad just for assists as she can actually catch up to my other squads (even though my archer squad can actually fight funnily enough). Flying units are still slower than cavalry, but I find myself deploying a lot of flying units in the late game due to the map hazards. Before featherbow I was never actually able to use range assists just because how slow a infantry squad is. Just a shame that it comes so late in the game.
Yeah I had a 3x featherbow unit, all on backline with general's longbow (forged) and the wingline standard. One featherbow focused on buffing the backline + blinding, one focused on pursuits, the other on attacking - all built for top crit rates with the buffs. It was never my best unit and I didn't invest in it enough because the mobility was so poor, but I liked it because the featherbows look cool and it was a fun idea. At the end of the day Wereowl is the only flying leader worth using.
I really hope they make a DLC story expansion kind of thing for this game with new classes. Maybe include a few balance updates too? I just really like it.
Yeah... I feel the game is missing some fun unique units in offensive staff and hammer... and also doesn't have enough appealing axe units... really just berengaria and doom knight which doesn't even have a really good hybrid axe with interesting features.
As a german i love your pronunciation of "Landsknecht". It roughly translates to "country-servant". And is pronounced more like " LAhnds-knächt" however those are mostly sounds that dont exist in english so you are officially forgiven. Tier list is good. Id say sniper is way better than you described, its just too good at picking out the squishy backrow, A Tier for me. Bishop also A Tier they can essentially make anything that doesnt get oneshot a pretty good tank and helps staying fresh between different combats. Breaker to me is honestly pretty underwhelming, pretty good damage but needs alot of speed and accuracy fixing, however cute little girl going bonk will never not be funny.
Vanguard has an ability called "Provoke" which makes all enemy units attack solely the Vanguard on your team. If you have a defensively-balanced Vanguard, pairing them with a Cleric or another healer to tank, and letting the rest of your squad go all in on the enemy squad is pretty good. Might be niche, because you have to pair one character with another, but it's a pretty good strategy.
I’m not super great so idk how to rank stuff, but Werefox has the two versions of Leap which are basically Sorceress teleport, but with lower range but are more usable in low valor situations due to the more limited leap being 1 less valor.
Is being able to dragoon dive over terrain really that special? Any flier can be made party leader for 1 valor to get a unit over terrain. Then again, damage valor skills go hard so it is fair to rate them higher for it.
Seriously, you know nothing about werefoxes. Get dream blossoms and make battle always at night. Put two werefoxes in the front line. Make sure that they never use their last passive point on anything other than nocturnal evasion using tactic rules. And you’ll have yourself the perfect evasion tank for anything but true strike attacks. For the very occasional truestrike hit, a bishop with resurrection capabilities (like Tatiana) or an unit with Holy Cradle will help keep it all going. Also, their poison trust when they get higher level will demolish many enemies as well. Wereowls can be used to keep them countering with extra passive points. Also try making one leader at night and then have a gryphon give them a speed boost and they’ll move like a freaking race car throughout the stage.
When you self-report why a strategy is bad but still believe it is good: -Use a limited item that also consumes 1/5 item uses in TZ to maintain night time -Perfect evasion tank, dies to true strike (All Elves can tank True Strikes, soldier, druid, etc due to higher bulk but similar evasion) -Run a bishop with Rez to keep it alive -Poison Thrust is hot garbo, so many other classes deal way more damage and kill easier If you want to convince me this class is good, suggesting this team comp is not the way to do it: 2x Werefox using (Poison Thurst)? 1x Bishop to rez them for when they die to true strike (You plan on them dying???) 1x Wereowl (Bad PVE CLASS) to give more passive points. The class can beat the game but almost anything is better than it.
warlock is good if you have sorcerous blow to hit and stun or trinity rod with an insta charge help to pew pew quickly. Initiative boost accessories are needed in both cases. In general, low initiative = garbage if you can't remedy it somehow.
Sword master isn’t just an average evade tank. Parry makes it almost impossible to kill since it can counter true hit, pretty sure it’s the only evade tank that can do that.
@@IcedCoffeeGamingthat’s not really true. If you give them any accuracy, they can kill all nonflying units. They also have a passive skill that gives them that already. Basically, if you other characters didn’t kill the enemy, well it’s now time to kill everyone with assaulting blow
Pure evasion tank Legionnaire or Legionnaire with evade With their Greatshield skill they have infinite PP when paired with Vengeful Impetus or Guarding Impetus
Yunifi does not need druid debuff at all if u build her correctly. I was oneshoting things in angel lands while being 5-7 levels behind without using a druid
It does, but I think sorc can set off freeze turn 1 but there's better priority abilities. I like using dual cast thunder on two rows to stall for other characters to catch up with low init. A lot of these units have flaws like low init, low/no damage, low utility, so that's why I think the generalists do the best because they fit in every two
I would argue that gryphon knight is A tier solely because of AOE hasted call. U can cheese the shit out of maps with that, give that to a cav and it will zoom. On maps where u start with 4 valor, u can deploy 2 main groups and a gryphon just to buff them and then retreat, suddenly the map is over in a blink of an eye. Not mentioning using it on a flyer to go straight to the end to one hound the boss while ignoring everything lol
I love feeling like I know what’s good in this game, going to a video like this, then realizing that there’s more broken crap that I should really focus on. This game is fun, in that sense. Feels like I’m still learning.
So true, I was running a warlock on my main damage dealing team but I am now considering whether to run a elven archer or elven fencer, which I didn't really use much. This gams has so many units lmao.
Rogue is anti meta in pvp. So many comps i see people run quick imp into a board nuke. You just passive seal the quick imp and 90% of the teams fall apart. You just have to inspect that they don't have defensive measures in place like debuff/passive seal imunities or pure field.. If thats the case you usually don't run the rogue and just try and outspeed people with a board nuke of your own or a full shutdown/rushdown comp that kills a combo before they can act.. Its a shame his active steal is bugged too.. No matter what his starting Ap is at he will only refresh/steal 1 point instead of stealing/draining all of the Ap like the text says (i tested multiple scenarios and it would always just drain/restore 1 sadly)
how can gryphon master B class when its the counter to most of your S class, as a leader it can bypass obstacles paired with its valor you can reach strategicly placed enemy. plus it one shot a whole backline as it can bypass frontline tanks.
I highly disagree with witch being s tier bc teleport costs 2 valor while eltolinde's rescue cost for half of that and to me, that's better than having to spend double for practically the same thing. There are also a lot of defenses and counters (reflect magick, ahem) to sorceress's magic attacks and if you wanna bypass those counters, you'd have to take a slot for mage's gloves, which has a skill that warlock already has. Sorceress does have great support, but not really good in terms of offense and defense when there are strong counters to offensive magic.
Assuming your rescue squad is always the one that is pushing you could argue teleport is worse. Though one is more flexible/generic and the other is tied to a unique class. Row Freeze is pretty good, angel counter can be dealt with in a variety of ways, commonly just by applying a start of battle debuff to the enemy team so the angel wastes a move on a nothing move. I wouldn't be against moving witch down to A based on how strong the things in S tend to be by comparison, the teleport is nice though.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I'm going to say Witch in high A. You probably should have one... but just one... initially they will be your support unit to do conferrals until they're outclassed by elven fencer... and then you probably want 2-3 of those because they're evasive and can take a hit better and it barely matters what sword you slap on them and then your witch becomes your C or D team board nuke. I feel like the game is just missing a unique unit that's a slightly better offensive caster and that's probably the main thing that's obviously missing. If that thing existed it would be obvious why it's S and sorceress is A...
i just slap gryphon knight on a team with a board nuke that was gonna kill anyways and abuse haste lmao, top tier the way I wanna play the game just for that
I swear I watched a early class tier list from you that wasn't the part one of this video. In that tier list you skimmed werewolf and werefox with like 1 line and just put them in C tier, then moved onto werebear. Did you remove it or am I going crazy?
IMO there's no way that Berengaria should be that high. Same thing with Elven Augur. IMO the best classes that are above all the others are: High Lord, Great Knight, Sainted Knight, Sorceress, and Dreadnought. The main reason why these are particularly effective is that their abilities allow them to be always extremely effective, no matter what party they're up against. Give them good gear and items and you've got your ultimate team.
Elven Augur/Sibyl kill the entire group of enemies immediately before they do anything 100% of the time. Berengaria has a 1 AP row stun that can kill a row as soon as a battle starts guaranteed. But High Lord, which also row kills is better and GK is better?
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Yes, High Lord and GK are better, because their attacks do a lot more damage than that of Berengaria and their effectiveness doesn't depend on anything external. If we're talking about attacks that are very effective only on particular circumstances (as it is the case for Berengaria, which depends on the enemy being able to be stunned), then IMO Gloucester is better than her, because he can do a lot more damage. Regarding Elven Augur, she hasn't been particularly effective for me, but maybe I have to test her out more.
hmm, swordmaster is godd at least A for me, SSS for melisandre 😎, just pair her/him with magic conferral, and she/he will do everything, switch between magic conferal and gambler coin depend on enemies
Gryphon Master could have no combat at all and be an S tier. If you think Cavalry units are broken because of their high move, then you should be thinking that Gryphon Masters are broken for being able to double all of your units moves (significantly better than Warp in this game BTW, only costing 1 and boosting more than 1 unit's move and helping you get ahead in the first place). You don't even have to train one, you could have one in a throwaway squad and just use it to boost people at the start or after key points. They're broken for the same reason Dancers are broken in Fire Emblem, or that the Stride gambit was broken in Fire Emblem Three Houses.
Moving faster is nice but it doesn't break the game, if just lets you take something that beats maps in a few seconds and shaves off more time and also exists on an item making the unit in question redundant. Many mention that you have a 5 item use limit in TZ but I have been doing itemless and it truly does not matter at all. You could use 1-2 items per map one of them being the speed increase and now Gryphon has no unique use case so I can't put it in S tier when it doesn't even have a monopoly on the effect.
i do agree with most of these what i would change is elven archers and elven fencers, they are not THAT op, they are just A and high priestess is TO LOW! so il put it on S tier just because it saved me a lot and makes alain indestructible Warlock and rogue on A, they still have some potential you kind of downplay the swordmaster a bit to much so il put it on B overall we can agree to disagree, the tier list is not that bad
Dreadnought : OP tier because it has amazing Phys ATK and has a sword, because you only talk about Wide Pursuit. Swordmaster : Doesn't even mention Wide Pursuit despite the class having access to double swords which should be higher synergy with a Wide Pursuit build and make Swordmasters not that far from Dreadnought on the dmg side.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Comparing Aramys's Phys ATK stat at max lvl with Amalia's at max lvl, both equiped with 25 phys ATK swords, we have Aramys at 85 and Amalia at 98. Keep in mind this is considering their default growths. Considering their roles as Wide Pursuit users is to finish off what wasn't killed by the main damage dealer, I don't think the difference is that big of a deal. That's without factoring the investment in crit and crit dmg you can do with Wyvern Razor. Is Amalia the better of the two ? Most likely, I'm not denying that. But I feel it's wrong to put one in the highest tier and the other in the lowest tier when the only real difference you're considering is 13 points in phys ATK.
Amalia has Column nuke, tanking, built in anti block pursuit, and built in Guaranteed Crit/Hit (Amber Lens) Effect. Also this list was made before the patch that slightly buffed SM. After the buf I'd move up SM slightly, but it lacks meaningful AOE attacks or a purpose, it is basically just bad Elven Fencer.
Sword master niche? Oh hell nahhhh lol. Miserande with high crit with the meteor slash hits like 100+ dmg multiple times. Especially with a ap support unit. She decimates. I agree with legionaire though they kinda suck tbh
@@garypurdy4982 I honestly just don't see a lot of use for a combatant that is just good at killing single target... other than Amalia if you pretend that's all she could do. Their opening skills aren't that great and are in competition with a lot of better start of battle things, the unique weapons they have aren't that great, they're far from the best evade tanks esp. when items like nocturnal cloak exist to make anyone an infinite evade tank at night and they offer little to no support to any other unit. Many of their skills have negative synergy with each other. It just seems way way better to build most of your teams around the many available board nukes. Knowing that Rosalinde and Yunifi exist that's two of your best teams right there. Eltolinde will probably go in your C or D team but probably doesn't make as much sense to build around if only because there just isn't another kingslance in the game and there are other board nukes you could slot in here like trinity rain, blizzard which can be double cast with magia soul, dragoon dive... Note that I'm only assessing in context of PvE
Kind of a bummer a lot of these late game units are a little meh, i wanna love the bestal and angel classes but most of them have a lot of situational use. You can def use all of them, just not badass
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Like Cavs, furry units tend to synergize well with each other. Werefoxes are arguably the strongest avoid tank and are hard to hit even when it’s not night. They pretty much will Zerg rush anything. They synergize with each other since they get more damage on debuffs and they open with debuffs. Their biggest issue, legionnaires, can be dealt with with guard seal which can either be followed up by other units or more foxes/wolves. They also get a boost at night and if they’re a leader they are incredibly fast. There is very little that counters them and there is very little they can’t deal with. Their valor skill is also a cheaper teleport though it lacks the same range. I’d argue they’re A and Werewolves are B. Wolves get an item which gives 20% attacks and 50 crit to all Beast at the start of battle. This can let a Fox/Wolf team snowball as they attack/pursuit everything down. I’d also argue their pursuit and attack boost to the row is strong (not many units give a boost to a row outside of Cavs).
Pounce is good, I think furryspam does less damage than other setups but you can win with it. Werefox gets 1 shot by true strikes and easily dies to ranged assist, it also lacks damage compared to other things I put in A/S tier. Doom Knight also belongs in A IMO, the furry units lack big attacks to work in most comps and the example you mentioned seems to have redundant damage dealers in order to get them working which is fine, but other units/squads can do more with fewer resources. Start of battle for damage boost is fine but there are some absurd start of battle effects, like init +20, row stun/damage, etc. Prince can give team damage +20 and conferrals/gambler coin can achieve similar or greater effects. Rosalinde/Eltolinde can Amber Lens truestrike/crit and get gambler coined to completely nuke entire enemy squads from full health, and that just requires 2 units.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Any avoid tank is going to get hurt from ranged assist but you shouldn't be getting hit by ranged assist in the first place. Should always be mitigating them or dealing with them whenever possible. They wont die from one anyway. Keep in mind you don't always need big attacks. Efficiency matters too (this is also why I'd argue Griffins should be A since they get a row attack for 1AP and can target back line, though they should be S for Hasten Call 2 alone). Just because a Unit can do a Row attack or does have a 2AP skill doesn't mean they should be using it. For instance, Breaker can be better doing Assulting Blow because they get to keep attacking rather than a one and done. A Fox/Wolf comp really needs one item you get in the progress of the story, that alone makes it very easy to set up at very low cost (other than honor). You can also place Foxes anywhere you place a thief and they do more damage. Don't disagree there are better start of battles or better combos, but I also think we're saying "This S unit is better than this one so it should be B/C". On Bestral Howl specific, there aren't many row buffs on a Passive Point. You have Calvary Call, but that's only cavalry. This is any unit. Prince is better, but his is also an active skill. He doesn't get to attack thereafter. Uniques, by there very nature, are less flexible because there is only ever one of them. Gilbert can never be on two teams where Werewolves can. But again, this is why I'm saying Werewolf is B and not S like Gilbert.
I think the furry units are ok but in terms of raw damage output, a single furry unit does less than other things I would place higher. Cav does a lot of things, it has built in column stun, a lance that can row stun, huge damage overall, tanking, mobility , OP valor skill that wins maps fast. Vs thief, I kind of agree that Werefox out damages it, thief has more utility/shutdown and Werefox has slightly higher damage. Thief can row blind/get flame conferraled and now it is cooking (literally). I wouldn't run either for damage and I also think there are better avo tanks than both for hard carry roles. Frontline Shaman can AVO tank but has better bulk than both and contributes to row nuke/board nuke strats, Elf Sisters are better than both, Shield Shooter also can run Mirage Shield + a thing to shield/Avo tank and is more bulky. Elven Fencer/Ranger also can Avo tank with better bulk than thief/Werefox and can provide damage boosting to row/colum/board attacks while having utility, cleanse, etc.
Thankx man just in time. Looking at these furry character and have no idea if ther shit or not 😂 the bear looks the coolest so far. Was thinking of using the owl in backrow with two sellsswords for accuracy patch. With legionare and saint horse in front. Good comp or no?
If Druid had fairy board nuke that instantly kills entire enemy squads from full HP it could be a tier in its own. Unfortunately it lacks damage and its damage boosting utility can be replaced by several other classes that also bring more to the table. Its best use case is softening up front rows for row/board nukes that aren't killing or aren't amber lens crit boosted.
Doom Knight is fun but strictly worse than every other horse. You basically throw out survivability so you can swap your column attack for a row attack. The best thing they do is combo with our fave Dark Marquess, but there are other ways to trigger afflicted if you want to, and her attack that combos with afflicted isn't even that good.
all calvary are a liability due gryphon knights. i refuse to promote elaine for 2 reasons . 1 ) gryphon knights can 1 shot him and 2) he looks odd jumping around to block back row on a horse. so gilbert and story gryphon knights with maxed initiative (idealist mirror + drops) kills a S tier unit in pvp. renault is good and monica seems to not die in the group i got her in
Wow wereowl should be at least A tier.. That the only unit I actually bought more of.. All my other unit I just the ones given.. Wereowl is the only one i needed more of lol
UO tier list simplified: Unique classes were designed to be OP, you will have the best outcomes designing squads with them in it. Other classes have specific roles they execute on a team. Utility is king - no matter the game, support units enable your stars to shine. Think of your concept and build your squad to execute on that concept. UO doesn’t have weak classes, you haven’t thought of a way to break it yet.
With "unique classes" you also mean the Werelion? Because he just seems a cooler Gladiator to me
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Doom Knight's at least A tier, I'd put it in S tier. You're absolutely right about the low HP mechanics being wonky, which is why you ignore them completely. Dark Flame is what you want to build around. Give it a set that gives it 4 AP and 4 PP and you can use Dark Flame three times in a fight, draining HP with each attack then using Demonic Pact to regain AP. This way the Doom Knight effectively gets 6 AP and will constantly be sitting on 75% HP (since it'll heal from full with ever Dark Flame and go back down to 75% from Demonic Pact).
Pair one with Berengaria so everyone starts the fight debuffed so those Dark Flames will hit like a TRUCK. I'm talking 150-200 damage row-wide.
This and you can build them around magical as well. Put the belt that allows them to tank a lethal hit as well and they just clean up house while soaking a tone of dmg.. They are a much better version than the berserker imo and have much more flexibility on building them but from testing going magical has been much better than trying to go pure physical.
For me he's been my 2nd or 3rd best tank and i can throw him in about any unit i want. Does not need anything to enable him
Throw a werewolf in that mix and you got brutal followups
31:10 "You get a blue unit on a map that's high up in the corner and it's one of those useless pre-made AI units" is so true lmao.
Awesome Vid! I encourage you to experiment with the Doom Knight! I think it pairs pretty well with Berengaria as Doom Knights dark flame wants to target a debuffed opponent to set them on fire, which Berengaria throws down at the battles start and Berengarias abilities like to target afflicted. I'd throw it mid-to-high A tier myself
Quick tip Berengarias unique that is start of battle doesn’t afflict anything. You can use a thief to blind or some aoe like that however to make that work :)
@@naus6081he’s saying Berengaria’s start of combat debuffs, which improves Doom Knight’s row nuke. Everything Doom Knight does has affliction, which buffs Berengaria.
Doom Knight with Toughness belt/Counter/ and good AP/PP Weapon or shield? I just use mine with the execute Axe and he one shots nearly everything. Even armors
The Etrian Odyssey community just started calling Landskencht “Landys” since it’s such a pain to pronounce.
I liked using the lifeshare shield on the doom knight to manipulate its HP, I could use it at specific health thresholds because it’s 50% of your current HP not max. It’s an excellent pairing with a gk with cover shield. The GK covers the DK at dangerous health levels and can cav call his damage. The DK can heal using lifeshare and activate his low HP bonuses.
Yep, this is actually a pretty fun and interesting combo for dooms to role play the anti-paladin aspect
Damn that's actually pretty legit and they heal a crap ton with the fire attack.
LOL, Disagree with lots of it but understandable, This is a good list. This game make Item very powerful and can make every class into different playstyle. It beautiful and makes everyone play differently. For example
- I found Featherstaff very useful for Dodge frontline because they got 2AP skill that make a row survive with 1 HP, Dodge class tend to die in 1-hit anyway so got a way to negate that is very useful. combine with a 1PP "parting resurrection" staff your dodge Frontline can never die.
- Legionary got very bad offensive AP skill but with good TowerShield/Spear that use AP can be very good. And you got 3 of 1PP Magic negate accessory whole game, earliest on 15 Divine shard exchange.
- Sniper is very powerful when they get "pursuit" use 2-3 in same squad and when an ally row attack they will pursuit every target, Decimate everything except Legionary.
- Landsknecht is C tier for me, on late game enemy rarely got hit on anyone(Except Legionary but i pair them with Cav) make counter useless.
- I drop Sergeant because i can't find space for it but seeing you got it work really great.
Ya I have the same thoughts, id add wereowls are clutch because of restore for truly crazy nuke combos and werefoxes do the same thing as pursuit
Sergeant became a suto tank/support for me.. Can enable speed/100% crits for my backline with a good set up and she's tanky enough to live on the front line.. Can get mid tier phy/mag def, 100+ evasion, 90+ hp and around 60+ initiative. She basicly just tosses some blind debufs or focuses a high evasion tank with trustrike and her offensive job is done.. Tank a few shots and get healed up or can have another frontliner that guards for her.
After that she just keep up keen calling, active gift, inspiration, tailwind, etc (what ever the backline needs).
I'd say she's around high A. Could be S if she offered some debuff support and did more dmg.
pursuit only lets you attack one enemy at a time
Gryphon Master in B tier? No way. Cutting down a whole row of Cavalry is amazing.
The issue I'm having with Gryphon Master units late-ish game (just finished Bastoria) is that there are so many things that just wipe them out that I'm having trouble using them whereas they were a mainstay unit for me previously. I still use it for its speed up ability and to grab things by flying over hills quickly but it has turned into a niche unit for me.
@@PM-xc8oo Arrows are the only thing that they have trouble with, but they have a passive skill that negates arrow damage and grants +1 AP. You could also cover them with another unit easily enough.
Its damage is lacking when the enemy is not only cavs which is all of endgame
Gryphon master is just a worse Wyvern
Yeah this, I have Fran front line dodge tanking with Alain and then when she switches to offense she gets truestrike, attack up cleaves. Nothing survives past legionaires - which Rosalinde nukes when the first starts.
Her only weakness is bows, Alain covers her. No problem.
Edit: and of course that amazing valor skill to make your whole army move twice as quickly for 1 valor
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the real probleme is there so much possibility that class alone doesn't describe all the potentiel from a class like wyvern and gryphon get access to an accessorie that make them never miss except when you'r blind ( it's a belt that increase damage too when full health ) put dragonwar spear and someone the cat hat to make her act directly and with only 2 unit you have a team that can never be stop 9 time on 10 without loosing a single hp and even without there's equipements that stun a whole line for 2PA, gears change a lot the capacity of one unit.
Wyvern Masters and Gryphon Masters are S class for sure
Every class use Sniper Lens/Amber Lens which gives PP1 True hit or PP2 True hit + Crit. There are unique class items but there are a lot of generic items that do similar things to most of these.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Nah, you don't understand. Wyvern Masters are better than Great Knights. If you go on Coliseum, you can see which classes are best.
Wyvern Masters have an AOE charge attack that hits all enemies with Dragoon Warspear. Heaven Wyvern Reign adds 20% damage and True Hit. The other classes that have an AOE charge attack that hit all enemies were given S class by you (Snow Ranger and Sorceress).
Here is what Wyvern Masters have over Sorceress and Snow Ranger:
- Front line tanks
- High evade and double evade against grounded attacks
- Deflect makes it take 0 damage from melee attacks
- They only need team support with tactics to handle arrows and magic.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming You said Gryphon Masters combat is bad? It has a 150 potency row attack with Aerial Smite! How is that bad? Barely anything survives that.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Wyvern have one of the best stats in the game, S evade, A atk ,B Speed and C crit there's no class with 2 turn skills with better stats, Dragoon War spear is a very high atk weapon the only thing that survive are very tanky enemies and you have 3 slot free to kill anything left and let's be honest it's only high armor enemies will survive so just put a magic dps and there's no weakness in your comp and they can reduce speed of your enemies to make the combo easier to use.
That comp is free and carry you against eveything who doesn't blind you at the moment you launch your attack ( it's the only window you have to blind since wyvern speed debuff enemy teams and make your team act first )
I think you could bump up the Werefox up just a bit. It should closer be a high B (Around or a little higher than Rogue), probably could skirt an A if its lucky and I'm also missing something about the class's tool kit. A lot of it's tool kit is very close to the Rogue even with the avoid tanking just with more offensive passive choices and night focused traits instead of ranged attacks and a battle starter.
The thing that makes them shine imo is the valor skills Jump and Jump II. Jump is a teleport to an ally unit while Jump II is a teleport to an enemy unit. now the range isn't huge like the mages but being able to bounce around and assist allies, jump over obstacles like walls or rivers, or pop over to a tower to get an assist unit before so it's can't help the other unit is very nice and helps speeds things up.
Doom knight is A tier for me they are definitely my go to squad pair them with berengaria and a cleric they tear down enemy easy. They also can clear Tanks like legionnaire very easy too
They’re really S tier for their S level physical attack and A level magic attack
Doom Knight is really good. I haven’t felt the need to be at low HP because Vengeful Axe is really not needed.
Pairs insanely well with Berengaria because every attack has affliction. One of the only tanks with actual damage.
I love your videos, but putting wereowl in C is CRIMINAL!
its easly S tier and i run one in every of my teams.
First it has THREE Leader skills at night and there is a endgame item that changes the time of battle on the battlefield. It makes your unit flying and fast and heal assist.
Then it gives truestrike to a row of allies and mag defence and heal over time to a row.
Also it can dispel buffs instantly to break enemys quick impetus for example AND gives back pp to units.
Paired with a feather shild you get an infinite pp loop.
Finally a lot of people, you included, overlook the fact that beasts get a boost in all of their stats at night and its not small.
At night my owl with 40 int is faster than my dragoon with 46 so its at least 6 points increase!
But keep up the good videos. In the end, everybody has different experiences with the classes they use and its difficult to see everything a specific class brings to the table.
I can see wereowl being better in PVP but in PVE there seem to be better support options. Someone else mentioned the stat increase being 10% or so but it is hidden so we can't see what it is. Damage-wise, I didn't noticed a huge increase in damage on the other were units so it seems to be a small buff during night time.
As for dispelling buffs, I never found enemy buffs to be an issue almost ever so it isn't clear to me that this matters that much. I do like their passive point battery aspect, that is one of the things I could see being leveraged to do something though it might also just be overkill because 2-3 units can usually kill an entire enemy squad with the support of the other 2-3 units.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming If you pretend the map doesn't exist, fine wereowl is not the best unit. They have some pretty good support skills, but definitely outclassed. Their squishiness is their biggest liability, though, you WILL struggle to keep them alive. But I would still make them my quick impetus + party leader in two sqauds every time over any other unit because they have such great night time mobility on map. Plus the PP battery skill is great in a team with positive synergy like a counter or pursuit unit, evade tank, or also definitely the snow ranger specifically. The biggest problem they have is archer support spam, but that's why you have a werefox leader unit to clear all of the towers immediately... suddenly your super OP Alain/Rosalinde/Amalia team is lagging behind just stepping in when there's a problem.
Wereowls give +1pp with restore which lets you do really good charge attack combos with recast and impetus since youll give those people another opportunity to use a passive so another buff to stack lol, I use it for my glacial range combo which honestly completely broke the game as soon as I got yunify to 30. My 4 person team kills lvl 45s no problem
Swordmasters and werefoxes are a bit better than youd think, they both excel at taking out targets before anyone else can move, so you can completely negate a teams weakness right off the bat. Also a team full of werefoxes is hilarious,
and doom kinghts, do this
Team for doom knights:
2 doom knights
dark marquess to debuff, and the stun, buffs dark flame row attack
Druid for cursed swamp + defensive and offensive curse, offensive help safely proc vengeance on doom knights, defensive screws over armored
Last slot is very flexible but you want it to be able to heal, cleric, wereowl, Elvin archer etc all work
Clears very well against a variety, weak against flying depending on flex character, but debuffs can get you through those too
100+ hours in. 100% complete. All classes to 50. All classes max stats via consumables. All shop items purchases. 10x 5-man squads all kitted differently. And 2-3 hours of Arena testing each day. Currently sitting at 5th place on one of the arena servers (yes there are multiple). All of this to say that I am not blowing smoke when I state that DOOM KNIGHT is one of the only generic classes that can use the HOLY UNICORN SHIELD for complete DEBUFF IMMUNITY. This means ALL Afflictions and Stat Reductions are ignored. This Arena cycle we have seen Holy Unicorn Ring and Sacral Brooch as banned items. This is going to leave a minimum of 2 party members without the ability to be immune to DEBUFFS, but using Sacral weapons you can have all 5 with either debuff or affliction immunity. Finding a character who synergizes well with your squad to swap in when an item ban makes them not usable is not an easy task, but if that swap is mounted (2x to infantry) has magic + phy attack combo that hits a row and applies burn, a ridiculous phys attack stat (mine is unbuffed 94 phys attack!) and is topped off by having the spiffiest helmet in the game. DO NOT SLEEP ON DOOM KNIGHT
Mix damage and sustain is Op
I will run it in my next run, currently wrapping up mountless, no valor skills, no items (in battle), Rest when stam hits 0 run. It is way easier than it would seem, main quest only might be a good challenge run without banning game mechanics.
I will start doing Arena things after I cover all the classes/do a bunch of build vids for each unit and squad builds etc.
Interesting to hear about Arena bans, immunity seems great there where everyone is likely trying to shut down enemy squads.
I’d argue Gryphon Master deserves A tier because of the speed boost. Yeah you can use an item, but on True Zenorian items are limited to 5 per battle. Even on lower difficulties with no item restriction, it still offers flight, speed and pretty good combat.
I am fine if people consider them A, I would think B/A is roughly where they are at right now unless the game gets patched or someone shows a really good use case.
doom knight, shieldshooter A - DK just slat spellsteel gear + pendants for AP/PP and he spams rownukes that are not tankable. shieldshooter is a damage dealing tank (that can kill back row at that) that can heal and has an excellent valor skill
gryffon S - high swing slaps annoying cavalry, give it initiative and she gives +15 initiative to 2 others. saving you 2 royal plumes for 1 PP. excellent conferral carrier because it can do ranged row attack for 1 AP. not to mention it can also frontline. not to mention the absolutely broken 1 cost valor skill.
Werebear's measly Mobility stat of 50 makes most maps pretty unbearable unless you're constantly using Hastened Call or pairing him with all your Cavs and Gryphs. Even when Bear is not the Leader, he generally seems to slow a unit down to a glacial pace. Very niChe-tier imo.
I'll admit, though, that after using more generic Mercs that I chose Stat Growth options for,, the Stat Choices can make a huge difference for a character's usability.
It was only when I was nearly done with Albion that I finally realized that you can use an Idealist's Handmirror on your Story Characters to not only customize their color palette, but you can actually "re-spec" them to whatever Stat Growth rates you prefer. So, I'm thinking my weapons are probably good enough and that my Honors might be better-spent on Handmirrors to help my Story Chars have closer-to-optimal stat distros.
I agree with most of these, i would just make some change:
Gryphon Master and Doom Knight go up from B to A tier
Elven Archer go down from S to A tier.
Dreadnought also go down from S to A tier.
How is Dreadnought not S tier?! Give her the Gran Baris to protect her from debuffs and accessories to give her 4 AP and 4 PP and she's gonna be consistently dealing some of the best damage in your team, while at the same time being among your sturdiest units.
I use wereowl as a support unit that does impetus or something, the fast flying as a leader is really good to have in later maps. I just place a very high value on mobility because slow units are so horrible to play.
Something that felt pretty bad in this game is that it dumps all of this incredible stuff on you in Drakenhold and Elheim, then you get the last good unit at the start of Bastorias and everything in the last two sections of the games is at best serviceable so it becomes a bit negative dopamine.
Woo! Taking a screenshot this time. 😂
Thanks for all your hard work.
I would have been very funny if you somehow managed to miss Housecarl in the last tier list and then Viking in this one 😂 good thing you noticed it at the end…
I actually think I agree with almost everything in this list. Bestrals/Feathers could probably move around a bit but they come so late that you don’t have as much time to get a feel for them - and maybe Legionnaire could go up one tier in the very late game - otherwise it’s probably just same-tier movements.
Late game Feathersword becomes a potent single-target nuke that can mop up anything left over from a board nuke with Discharge and their 2AP attack, and is probably the best evasion tank in the game (they usually survive OHKOs from enemy truestrikes since they can get pretty high guard rates from shields)
Legionnaire can become a potent PP battery for itself, using its AP > 2PP skill which means you can basically force it to exclusively guard and cover squishies (including the whole row). Sainted Knight/the item that provides Magic Conversion (negates magic damage and grants user +2 PP) and their main issue then is just Breakers.
Werefox is another great evasion tank, and probably deserves to be around/above Thief imo. Especially since they also use lances, so you can give them row stun etc. Jump is also a pretty good valour skill - essentially another teleport but without full map range.
Werebear also has pretty solid damage (row attack and ground based all enemy attack) and can get 100% guard rate too. This is good because they scale based on how high their current HP is. Low initiative hurts them though, but I’d probably say they’re up near Paladin/definitely above Berserker.
Warlock, idk if it’s because I’ve done TZ only using named units (so only 1 Witch), still feels like A to me. They lack the teleport and truesight conferral, but they do still have tome conferrals and a row stun that can target the back row, which is pretty solid.
For me, in actual play/not coliseum, I tend to favour Bishops over Priestess. In-built Passive Resurrection is great to pair with an evasion class, as them having 1 HP vs full HP barely matters as long as they can then avoid an assist.
Lastly Sniper I think is pretty great. A physical row attack that targets the back row (where there’s usually more Mag Def) and doesn’t need charged is solid, and they have high enough initiative to usually be one of the first strikers. Paired with a conferral they can usually OHKO the entire back line with in-built truestrike, meaning you can use an accessory slot for something else. An Elven Archer is a good pair for them, since it makes Ranged Assist stronger too
Bishop is mandatory for spot healing and debuff removal since even with full access to gearing options, can never completely debuff immune a team. I use it in my WR #1 team on coliseum and my kill squad for the entirety of the game. That said, I don't necessarily disagree they are B-tier but in the right comp they are mandatory IMO.
Yunifi teams will poop on all the colosseum teams
Nice video. Would love to see how your lists change after some more playthroughs.
I assume this is before clearing the game, in which case the only Paladin you would have is Josef. There’s absolutely no reason to use him in the mid-to-late game as he gets vastly outclassed in terms of stats. If you compare him to a generic Paladin recruited postgame at the same level he’s waaaay behind. They did Josef real dirty.
He is a jagen after all
I did a comparison but somehow they have the same stats post game with the same growth types.
@@Fleshlight_Reviewer That's a completely different conclusion from mine... I also set the same growth types and fed Josef to the same level as the generic Paladin. At Lv 35 Josef is at {76, 17, 17, 25, 36, 127, 18, 10, 17, 24}, whereas a generic Paladin with the same growth type has {93, 35, 24, 34, 44, 133, 25, 10, 24, 24}.
I really want to see you do more Online PVP content for this game. It really is a different mindset when evaluating classes and skills that I think is another rabbit hole from this game for you to fall into.
Currently I am focused on PVE content for guides, PVP removes a huge aspect of the game that I enjoy but I will get into it eventually. I also wouldn't mind getting into PVP after a few months of balancing, so I don't need to experience the rollercoaster of balance patches.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming that’s fair! Personally I am enjoying the Wild West of the PVP meta right now because the meta isn’t fully formed and there is still a lot of room to theorycraft new strategies. Looking forward to when you get around to it!
I love using Elven Fencers, they do need a little support but they can be so good late game.
I couldn't find a spot on my team over the elven archers. I really like the sylphic barrier though
Yeah I had 3 elven fencers across my 4 engame units on true zenoiran, I really like ice conferral and there are 2 ice tomes in the game. Plus I also tend to use flyers so the sylphic barrier is nice, and since they themselves are evade tanks they can support on front line which opens up more combos that involve a lot of squishy units... and then they can put out a little damage to clean up which is a nice bonus. Elven Fencer and Wereowl are my top support units without question.
May I have the name of the lance you mentioned in the Great Knight section that row stuns, please? I want to track it down for my cav squad.
Very late, but for anyone else looking, it’s called the Silver Trident and I think you get it by beating Hilda in her quest
I think Dark/Doom Knight is great if teamed right...definitely need a Druid/Shaman, and I've got mine with Berenice and Berengaria (the killer B's). This group does massive damage.
omg the 3 mentions of your niche class i actually made it a s-tier comp.
Werefox is atleast A, imo. Dodge tank with good dmg passives
The issue with werefox is that they have such low HP, if they catch ONE truestrike... they dead. Also if you are building for max evade, they will be nearly useless with 2 ap and 2 pp? lol maybe 1 additional PP if you dont try for affliction immune and use a non sacral weapon. Now beat the game and unlock Rat boy.. .This man can singlehandedly evade take BETTER than a fox, but he has actual skills built around EVADING LOL! This man can evade 15 attacks in a single fight. AND he comes with the valor skill for movement speed (yep.. same as the flyers get). Werefox was my main for so long.... but she is B rank.
@@unplaya_able5809 Uhh... but... you will have played the entire game by the time you get the rat... so... what is the point of even ranking those units? I guess if it were a PVP tier list
Werefox is a decent enough evade tank, doesn't do anything too incredible in a party but honestly worth it for the leader mobility... plus lances are very good in general and they have some good synergy with debuffing units. I would say they're A-S if you count map/board. If the only high mobility units you have are cavs you're going to run into problems in the later maps where there are tons of barricades and mines and you don't always want to be traveling over roads exclusively. For the same reason I would bump owl up to A. Abusing the Day/Night system is very cheap and available around the time you get the werecombatants and it totally transforms your play.
Quick question for you as I am just getting into the game and I don't usually enjoy strategy games but the demo sold me.
Does this list take into account the item that lets you rework the stats for the characters?
Like when you say Berserker is a generalist because you find their initiative to low. Does that take into account that item that would let you rework the stats to give them more initiative?
I saw a video about that item and how there are only so many you can get in some places but you can buy them for 30 renown or whatever at a certain place in the game.
Loved it. There just feels like an insane amount of depth in the game- I still get tripped up by the damn mechanics triggering sometimes or messing up with initiatives. Even the really “meh” classes are able to shine when works done. I do feel some of the unique characters (the elves, mainly, screw them) are over worked and tuned but otherwise everything feels pretty fun.
Can we get some meme teams though, like full angel teams? Full elves? (Not just spamming). I feel we take out high lords and dark marquess and try some tribal themed teams it could be interesting
Agreed that swordmaster is a niche and deserve their placement but have you tried equipping them with [Master Gauntlet] and [Lapis Pendant]?
Make them act only when their {PP is 1 or below} and watch them hit 100 damage consistently, if you add [Cornix Sword] and invest on dew you can 1 shot gladiator well into late game and deal respectable damage to any frontliner except the Legionnare and the Bear.
^still not survivable as Rogue with their blind as this build rely purely in raw evasion but hey better than doing peanuts to 2/3 of the class
Agree, i inviested on my Swordmaster and is consistently killing a lot of things while tanking with Parry, i feel that is a decent class, at least for B tier
@@jesusmartinez2803 I still would rate them niche C or low B at most with how limited their viable equipment and their dependance on it, since half of their skill set is just bad.
Based on my playtime Swordmaster only has 3 viable build, that is the [Rune Sword] route, Keen Strike with [Gambler Coin], and Keen Strike with [Master Gauntlet] stacking buff.
@@noeness3779 This is why I think its weak, since Meteor slash gets wasted so often, and its funny to see 1s fly when enemies use it on my cavalry :)
Their start of battle skill also becomes useless fast since you want all ally buff or enemy debuff or board nuke setup instead.
@@somnolence5339 Meteor Sword is the worst skill in the game no cap, they should have add ignore armor% to compensate with how the damage get distributed so much.
Smart using a runic sword. Not hard to tear through armored units and gladiators 😅
I loved featherbow because I can finally build a full archer squad just for assists as she can actually catch up to my other squads (even though my archer squad can actually fight funnily enough). Flying units are still slower than cavalry, but I find myself deploying a lot of flying units in the late game due to the map hazards. Before featherbow I was never actually able to use range assists just because how slow a infantry squad is. Just a shame that it comes so late in the game.
The blind is insanely good. Great utility, great flyer for the map, and great archer assist, same with feather staff
Yeah I had a 3x featherbow unit, all on backline with general's longbow (forged) and the wingline standard. One featherbow focused on buffing the backline + blinding, one focused on pursuits, the other on attacking - all built for top crit rates with the buffs. It was never my best unit and I didn't invest in it enough because the mobility was so poor, but I liked it because the featherbows look cool and it was a fun idea. At the end of the day Wereowl is the only flying leader worth using.
I really hope they make a DLC story expansion kind of thing for this game with new classes.
Maybe include a few balance updates too? I just really like it.
Yeah... I feel the game is missing some fun unique units in offensive staff and hammer... and also doesn't have enough appealing axe units... really just berengaria and doom knight which doesn't even have a really good hybrid axe with interesting features.
As a german i love your pronunciation of "Landsknecht". It roughly translates to "country-servant". And is pronounced more like " LAhnds-knächt" however those are mostly sounds that dont exist in english so you are officially forgiven.
Tier list is good.
Id say sniper is way better than you described, its just too good at picking out the squishy backrow, A Tier for me. Bishop also A Tier they can essentially make anything that doesnt get oneshot a pretty good tank and helps staying fresh between different combats.
Breaker to me is honestly pretty underwhelming, pretty good damage but needs alot of speed and accuracy fixing, however cute little girl going bonk will never not be funny.
Vanguard has an ability called "Provoke" which makes all enemy units attack solely the Vanguard on your team. If you have a defensively-balanced Vanguard, pairing them with a Cleric or another healer to tank, and letting the rest of your squad go all in on the enemy squad is pretty good. Might be niche, because you have to pair one character with another, but it's a pretty good strategy.
For shits and giggles I set up a crew of all snipers mostly to just assist and arrow rain and it's surprisingly helpful as a support squad
Do you have a list of guides for builds and team comps? Wanna use as a reference to optimise my team
Hmmm, dark skinned female spear wielder gets all the love... its starting to sound familiar
Timerra 2.0
I’m not super great so idk how to rank stuff, but Werefox has the two versions of Leap which are basically Sorceress teleport, but with lower range but are more usable in low valor situations due to the more limited leap being 1 less valor.
They do have decent valor skills, I might bump them up in the next tier list after more testing.
Is being able to dragoon dive over terrain really that special? Any flier can be made party leader for 1 valor to get a unit over terrain. Then again, damage valor skills go hard so it is fair to rate them higher for it.
Seriously, you know nothing about werefoxes. Get dream blossoms and make battle always at night. Put two werefoxes in the front line. Make sure that they never use their last passive point on anything other than nocturnal evasion using tactic rules. And you’ll have yourself the perfect evasion tank for anything but true strike attacks. For the very occasional truestrike hit, a bishop with resurrection capabilities (like Tatiana) or an unit with Holy Cradle will help keep it all going. Also, their poison trust when they get higher level will demolish many enemies as well. Wereowls can be used to keep them countering with extra passive points.
Also try making one leader at night and then have a gryphon give them a speed boost and they’ll move like a freaking race car throughout the stage.
When you self-report why a strategy is bad but still believe it is good:
-Use a limited item that also consumes 1/5 item uses in TZ to maintain night time
-Perfect evasion tank, dies to true strike (All Elves can tank True Strikes, soldier, druid, etc due to higher bulk but similar evasion)
-Run a bishop with Rez to keep it alive
-Poison Thrust is hot garbo, so many other classes deal way more damage and kill easier
If you want to convince me this class is good, suggesting this team comp is not the way to do it:
2x Werefox using (Poison Thurst)? 1x Bishop to rez them for when they die to true strike (You plan on them dying???)
1x Wereowl (Bad PVE CLASS) to give more passive points.
The class can beat the game but almost anything is better than it.
Wereowl Niche, huh, considering thats a unit I find the most annoying. Do you remember the coliseum fights at all?
warlock is good if you have sorcerous blow to hit and stun or trinity rod with an insta charge help to pew pew quickly. Initiative boost accessories are needed in both cases. In general, low initiative = garbage if you can't remedy it somehow.
Sword master isn’t just an average evade tank. Parry makes it almost impossible to kill since it can counter true hit, pretty sure it’s the only evade tank that can do that.
parry only works against melee attacks. Any range with true strike murder swordmasters easily
It's a bad unit
breaker is S tier when paired with anything that gives it truestrike, regularly hitting for 100 against a row even against armor is insane
Row attack for 100 potency, unguardable, uncoverable, ignores defense against armors...
Yeah, that's called S tier.
Meh I stopped using them just used warhorn into other damage dealers, or used magic based weapons or magic
It has a strong matchup vs armor for sure, it doesn't seem to kill non-armored in a similar manner making it more situational imo
@@IcedCoffeeGamingthat’s not really true. If you give them any accuracy, they can kill all nonflying units. They also have a passive skill that gives them that already. Basically, if you other characters didn’t kill the enemy, well it’s now time to kill everyone with assaulting blow
Pure evasion tank Legionnaire or Legionnaire with evade
With their Greatshield skill they have infinite PP when paired with Vengeful Impetus or Guarding Impetus
Yunifi does not need druid debuff at all if u build her correctly. I was oneshoting things in angel lands while being 5-7 levels behind without using a druid
doesn`t warlock have a row stun? don`t think its that much worse then a sorceress.
It does, but I think sorc can set off freeze turn 1 but there's better priority abilities. I like using dual cast thunder on two rows to stall for other characters to catch up with low init.
A lot of these units have flaws like low init, low/no damage, low utility, so that's why I think the generalists do the best because they fit in every two
Finally a tier list where everything isn't S tier.
Shieldshooters are A tier class that fit lot of places
I would argue that gryphon knight is A tier solely because of AOE hasted call. U can cheese the shit out of maps with that, give that to a cav and it will zoom. On maps where u start with 4 valor, u can deploy 2 main groups and a gryphon just to buff them and then retreat, suddenly the map is over in a blink of an eye. Not mentioning using it on a flyer to go straight to the end to one hound the boss while ignoring everything lol
I love feeling like I know what’s good in this game, going to a video like this, then realizing that there’s more broken crap that I should really focus on.
This game is fun, in that sense. Feels like I’m still learning.
So true, I was running a warlock on my main damage dealing team but I am now considering whether to run a elven archer or elven fencer, which I didn't really use much. This gams has so many units lmao.
Rogue is anti meta in pvp. So many comps i see people run quick imp into a board nuke. You just passive seal the quick imp and 90% of the teams fall apart. You just have to inspect that they don't have defensive measures in place like debuff/passive seal imunities or pure field..
If thats the case you usually don't run the rogue and just try and outspeed people with a board nuke of your own or a full shutdown/rushdown comp that kills a combo before they can act..
Its a shame his active steal is bugged too.. No matter what his starting Ap is at he will only refresh/steal 1 point instead of stealing/draining all of the Ap like the text says (i tested multiple scenarios and it would always just drain/restore 1 sadly)
how can gryphon master B class when its the counter to most of your S class, as a leader it can bypass obstacles paired with its valor you can reach strategicly placed enemy. plus it one shot a whole backline as it can bypass frontline tanks.
So the only s tier units are board nukes and cofferral units that support them?? 🤔
You gotta use more team without them and test more.
Sure! I also want to do more build videos per class after class guide :)
I highly disagree with witch being s tier bc teleport costs 2 valor while eltolinde's rescue cost for half of that and to me, that's better than having to spend double for practically the same thing. There are also a lot of defenses and counters (reflect magick, ahem) to sorceress's magic attacks and if you wanna bypass those counters, you'd have to take a slot for mage's gloves, which has a skill that warlock already has. Sorceress does have great support, but not really good in terms of offense and defense when there are strong counters to offensive magic.
Assuming your rescue squad is always the one that is pushing you could argue teleport is worse. Though one is more flexible/generic and the other is tied to a unique class. Row Freeze is pretty good, angel counter can be dealt with in a variety of ways, commonly just by applying a start of battle debuff to the enemy team so the angel wastes a move on a nothing move.
I wouldn't be against moving witch down to A based on how strong the things in S tend to be by comparison, the teleport is nice though.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I'm going to say Witch in high A. You probably should have one... but just one... initially they will be your support unit to do conferrals until they're outclassed by elven fencer... and then you probably want 2-3 of those because they're evasive and can take a hit better and it barely matters what sword you slap on them and then your witch becomes your C or D team board nuke. I feel like the game is just missing a unique unit that's a slightly better offensive caster and that's probably the main thing that's obviously missing. If that thing existed it would be obvious why it's S and sorceress is A...
i just slap gryphon knight on a team with a board nuke that was gonna kill anyways and abuse haste lmao, top tier the way I wanna play the game just for that
there’s some busted skills buffing bestrals on some gear, i’m thinking it might make them competitive in a full squad
Ok.. I think what you need to make is a "sniper's amber lens" tier list.
really said that sword master falls off, is there anyway to make it better?
The furries like that you underestimate them
You're already on it with the tier lists. Should have expected that. Just have a small request- Can you group them by unit type?
Yes however u want. U choose how to build your units.
@@wonder777warrior6 I meant for a tier list. As in have them ranked by unit type/function
I swear I watched a early class tier list from you that wasn't the part one of this video. In that tier list you skimmed werewolf and werefox with like 1 line and just put them in C tier, then moved onto werebear. Did you remove it or am I going crazy?
He decided to remove and redo it. It happened half way into me watching it. I felt crazy too.
IMO there's no way that Berengaria should be that high. Same thing with Elven Augur. IMO the best classes that are above all the others are: High Lord, Great Knight, Sainted Knight, Sorceress, and Dreadnought. The main reason why these are particularly effective is that their abilities allow them to be always extremely effective, no matter what party they're up against. Give them good gear and items and you've got your ultimate team.
Elven Augur/Sibyl kill the entire group of enemies immediately before they do anything 100% of the time.
Berengaria has a 1 AP row stun that can kill a row as soon as a battle starts guaranteed.
But High Lord, which also row kills is better and GK is better?
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Yes, High Lord and GK are better, because their attacks do a lot more damage than that of Berengaria and their effectiveness doesn't depend on anything external. If we're talking about attacks that are very effective only on particular circumstances (as it is the case for Berengaria, which depends on the enemy being able to be stunned), then IMO Gloucester is better than her, because he can do a lot more damage.
Regarding Elven Augur, she hasn't been particularly effective for me, but maybe I have to test her out more.
hmm, swordmaster is godd at least A for me, SSS for melisandre 😎,
just pair her/him with magic conferral, and she/he will do everything, switch between magic conferal and gambler coin depend on enemies
Gryphon Master could have no combat at all and be an S tier. If you think Cavalry units are broken because of their high move, then you should be thinking that Gryphon Masters are broken for being able to double all of your units moves (significantly better than Warp in this game BTW, only costing 1 and boosting more than 1 unit's move and helping you get ahead in the first place). You don't even have to train one, you could have one in a throwaway squad and just use it to boost people at the start or after key points. They're broken for the same reason Dancers are broken in Fire Emblem, or that the Stride gambit was broken in Fire Emblem Three Houses.
Moving faster is nice but it doesn't break the game, if just lets you take something that beats maps in a few seconds and shaves off more time and also exists on an item making the unit in question redundant.
Many mention that you have a 5 item use limit in TZ but I have been doing itemless and it truly does not matter at all. You could use 1-2 items per map one of them being the speed increase and now Gryphon has no unique use case so I can't put it in S tier when it doesn't even have a monopoly on the effect.
i do agree with most of these
what i would change is elven archers and elven fencers, they are not THAT op, they are just A
and high priestess is TO LOW! so il put it on S tier just because it saved me a lot and makes alain indestructible
Warlock and rogue on A, they still have some potential
you kind of downplay the swordmaster a bit to much so il put it on B
overall we can agree to disagree, the tier list is not that bad
Wonder what you’d change now that’s it’s been a little while.
You're definitely sleeping on Curing Call and Refresh to put Bishop and HP in B
For PVE?
@@IcedCoffeeGamingYeah, enemy debuffs start becoming more common in Bastorias and Albion
Snow Ranger Triple Counter is insane lowkey
Yes and combine with wereowl to keep giving her PP back when she does counter or pursuit skills so she can do them a ton of times.
Dreadnought : OP tier because it has amazing Phys ATK and has a sword, because you only talk about Wide Pursuit.
Swordmaster : Doesn't even mention Wide Pursuit despite the class having access to double swords which should be higher synergy with a Wide Pursuit build and make Swordmasters not that far from Dreadnought on the dmg side.
Quantify "not that far from dreadnought" in actual numbers instead of words.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Comparing Aramys's Phys ATK stat at max lvl with Amalia's at max lvl, both equiped with 25 phys ATK swords, we have Aramys at 85 and Amalia at 98. Keep in mind this is considering their default growths.
Considering their roles as Wide Pursuit users is to finish off what wasn't killed by the main damage dealer, I don't think the difference is that big of a deal. That's without factoring the investment in crit and crit dmg you can do with Wyvern Razor.
Is Amalia the better of the two ? Most likely, I'm not denying that. But I feel it's wrong to put one in the highest tier and the other in the lowest tier when the only real difference you're considering is 13 points in phys ATK.
Amalia has Column nuke, tanking, built in anti block pursuit, and built in Guaranteed Crit/Hit (Amber Lens) Effect. Also this list was made before the patch that slightly buffed SM.
After the buf I'd move up SM slightly, but it lacks meaningful AOE attacks or a purpose, it is basically just bad Elven Fencer.
Sword master niche? Oh hell nahhhh lol. Miserande with high crit with the meteor slash hits like 100+ dmg multiple times. Especially with a ap support unit. She decimates. I agree with legionaire though they kinda suck tbh
You're going to hit a character for a thousand damage for two AP? Most enemies have like 80 HP max
@@Fleshlight_Reviewernoo lol she melts units. Even heavy armored enemies.
@@garypurdy4982 I honestly just don't see a lot of use for a combatant that is just good at killing single target... other than Amalia if you pretend that's all she could do. Their opening skills aren't that great and are in competition with a lot of better start of battle things, the unique weapons they have aren't that great, they're far from the best evade tanks esp. when items like nocturnal cloak exist to make anyone an infinite evade tank at night and they offer little to no support to any other unit. Many of their skills have negative synergy with each other. It just seems way way better to build most of your teams around the many available board nukes. Knowing that Rosalinde and Yunifi exist that's two of your best teams right there. Eltolinde will probably go in your C or D team but probably doesn't make as much sense to build around if only because there just isn't another kingslance in the game and there are other board nukes you could slot in here like trinity rain, blizzard which can be double cast with magia soul, dragoon dive...
Note that I'm only assessing in context of PvE
Kind of a bummer a lot of these late game units are a little meh, i wanna love the bestal and angel classes but most of them have a lot of situational use. You can def use all of them, just not badass
Someone please tell me what “board nuke” means?
Hits all enemy units
Yunifi
An ability that hits every enemy on the board
>Werefox in B
Tell me you haven’t used Werefox without telling me you haven’t used Werefox.
Why do you think they do not belong in B tier?
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Like Cavs, furry units tend to synergize well with each other. Werefoxes are arguably the strongest avoid tank and are hard to hit even when it’s not night. They pretty much will Zerg rush anything. They synergize with each other since they get more damage on debuffs and they open with debuffs. Their biggest issue, legionnaires, can be dealt with with guard seal which can either be followed up by other units or more foxes/wolves. They also get a boost at night and if they’re a leader they are incredibly fast. There is very little that counters them and there is very little they can’t deal with. Their valor skill is also a cheaper teleport though it lacks the same range. I’d argue they’re A and Werewolves are B. Wolves get an item which gives 20% attacks and 50 crit to all Beast at the start of battle. This can let a Fox/Wolf team snowball as they attack/pursuit everything down. I’d also argue their pursuit and attack boost to the row is strong (not many units give a boost to a row outside of Cavs).
Pounce is good, I think furryspam does less damage than other setups but you can win with it.
Werefox gets 1 shot by true strikes and easily dies to ranged assist, it also lacks damage compared to other things I put in A/S tier. Doom Knight also belongs in A IMO, the furry units lack big attacks to work in most comps and the example you mentioned seems to have redundant damage dealers in order to get them working which is fine, but other units/squads can do more with fewer resources.
Start of battle for damage boost is fine but there are some absurd start of battle effects, like init +20, row stun/damage, etc. Prince can give team damage +20 and conferrals/gambler coin can achieve similar or greater effects.
Rosalinde/Eltolinde can Amber Lens truestrike/crit and get gambler coined to completely nuke entire enemy squads from full health, and that just requires 2 units.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Any avoid tank is going to get hurt from ranged assist but you shouldn't be getting hit by ranged assist in the first place. Should always be mitigating them or dealing with them whenever possible. They wont die from one anyway. Keep in mind you don't always need big attacks. Efficiency matters too (this is also why I'd argue Griffins should be A since they get a row attack for 1AP and can target back line, though they should be S for Hasten Call 2 alone). Just because a Unit can do a Row attack or does have a 2AP skill doesn't mean they should be using it. For instance, Breaker can be better doing Assulting Blow because they get to keep attacking rather than a one and done. A Fox/Wolf comp really needs one item you get in the progress of the story, that alone makes it very easy to set up at very low cost (other than honor). You can also place Foxes anywhere you place a thief and they do more damage.
Don't disagree there are better start of battles or better combos, but I also think we're saying "This S unit is better than this one so it should be B/C". On Bestral Howl specific, there aren't many row buffs on a Passive Point. You have Calvary Call, but that's only cavalry. This is any unit. Prince is better, but his is also an active skill. He doesn't get to attack thereafter. Uniques, by there very nature, are less flexible because there is only ever one of them. Gilbert can never be on two teams where Werewolves can. But again, this is why I'm saying Werewolf is B and not S like Gilbert.
I think the furry units are ok but in terms of raw damage output, a single furry unit does less than other things I would place higher. Cav does a lot of things, it has built in column stun, a lance that can row stun, huge damage overall, tanking, mobility , OP valor skill that wins maps fast.
Vs thief, I kind of agree that Werefox out damages it, thief has more utility/shutdown and Werefox has slightly higher damage. Thief can row blind/get flame conferraled and now it is cooking (literally). I wouldn't run either for damage and I also think there are better avo tanks than both for hard carry roles.
Frontline Shaman can AVO tank but has better bulk than both and contributes to row nuke/board nuke strats, Elf Sisters are better than both, Shield Shooter also can run Mirage Shield + a thing to shield/Avo tank and is more bulky. Elven Fencer/Ranger also can Avo tank with better bulk than thief/Werefox and can provide damage boosting to row/colum/board attacks while having utility, cleanse, etc.
What a great list. After 100hrs+ i just finished 90% of the map, couldn't agree more .
Imo Rouge and Shieldshooter A tier, for the rest, very aggred
Something is higher than Alain 🤯
Why'd you make this list and then NOT publish it NOR provide a link to it in the video's description 🐢?
With elf’s being so OP how did they get conquered like it makes no sense 😂
Thankx man just in time. Looking at these furry character and have no idea if ther shit or not 😂 the bear looks the coolest so far.
Was thinking of using the owl in backrow with two sellsswords for accuracy patch.
With legionare and saint horse in front.
Good comp or no?
Sir you are wrong and mistaken about Warlock. Auch has the meanest right hook in the whole game 🤣
Swordmasters are awesome
Druid is Druid tier, above even S.
If Druid had fairy board nuke that instantly kills entire enemy squads from full HP it could be a tier in its own.
Unfortunately it lacks damage and its damage boosting utility can be replaced by several other classes that also bring more to the table.
Its best use case is softening up front rows for row/board nukes that aren't killing or aren't amber lens crit boosted.
Where is the Lex. True F teir.
i think snow ranger should be higher for... 2 big reasons...
Booba
@@Fleshlight_Reviewerdoes she even have any ?
banger vid as always
Doom Knight is fun but strictly worse than every other horse. You basically throw out survivability so you can swap your column attack for a row attack. The best thing they do is combo with our fave Dark Marquess, but there are other ways to trigger afflicted if you want to, and her attack that combos with afflicted isn't even that good.
It has the most damage, and don't forget about paladins being bad 😂.. debuffs are easy AF to apply
Ochlys carried for me.
Werewolf is A
all calvary are a liability due gryphon knights. i refuse to promote elaine for 2 reasons . 1 ) gryphon knights can 1 shot him and 2) he looks odd jumping around to block back row on a horse. so gilbert and story gryphon knights with maxed initiative (idealist mirror + drops) kills a S tier unit in pvp. renault is good and monica seems to not die in the group i got her in
Gryphon Knight will be the new Etie.
High priestess is the worst class because the jiggle physics debuffs you with coomer brain
Wow wereowl should be at least A tier.. That the only unit I actually bought more of.. All my other unit I just the ones given.. Wereowl is the only one i needed more of lol