SWORD TIER LIST! Unicorn Overlord TZ
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- In this tier list I evaluate SWORDS in Unicorn Overlord for True Zenoiran difficulty.
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I disagree on dragonbone blade. This is useful when you want to intiative fix in a negative way for a high initiative unit. For example, swordmasters typically go 1st but you dont want them going before your board/row nuker. You want them going after to wrap up single targets. Its a waste of an equip slot on your nuker just to initiative fix them to be higher than swordmasters, thieves, etc. Its better to use dragonbone blade to reduce the initiative of the single-target folks while getting 1 PP to boot.
Are swordmasters good enough for this to be an issue though? If you are using board nukes aren't the swordmasters redundant/able to be replaced with any damage unit?
@@IcedCoffeeGaming i use swordmasters as frontline evade tanks, especially in the early-mid game when you get this sword. typical squad comp is:
2 evade tanks in front
1 support/utility unit in back
1 main row/board nuker in back
1 secondary row nuker in back
so late game yeah there are better things. For the time you get this until about you hit albion, its pretty solid and i'd put it in B tier. In fact, in endgame i still use it for the evade tanks on my secondary squads (since i still use thieves/swordmasters there over angels).
A possible caveat i'd include here is i make this assessment without generics in mind. I only use uniques.
so the swordmasters cant be easily replaced by other units because no generics, has to be another evade tank (i consider guard or hp tanks sub-optimal) and you dont get angels (which imo are the best evade tanks since they can guard as well along with berengaria/liza with mirage shield) until late game.
Why does this sword matter, there are 2 Runic Blades which have a 150 potency attack vs 120 potency attack of this weapon. They make this weapon redundant as you are running 1-2 of these total anyways. Spellsteel also outclasses it.
Swordmaster is a fairly weak class in the PvE metagame, anything can be an evasion tank, in fact literally everything can do this thanks to gear so you could simply just use a class with more damage/HP than Swordmaster to do everything swordmaster can do but better.
In order for your take on Swordmaster to be accurate we have to ignore the abilities/stats of other classes:
-MOST THINGS in the game can be made into Evasion tanks. Every elven class, elven sisters, Shamans even, can stack Evasion to hit near 0 incoming hitrates from non-true strikes. Rogues, furry units, most angels etc.
-Swordmaster sitting on the front as an evasion tank when you are running board nukes is obsolete/redundant. Board nukes kill entire enemy squads before an attack goes off, you simply never need to evasion tank if you are playing remotely optimally.
-Swordmaster has some of the worst combat stats of all endgame units in the game, and also lacks row attack, column attack, or board attack, making it arguably the worst damage class in the game. Even Legionare can slap on a spear and gain row/column attacks, no swords exist that give AOE cleaves.
-Ochlys joins super early and can do what Swordmaster can do but also blocks, has more durability, and is promoted class early. It also flies and can party leader to beat maps early.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming runic blades are irrelvant to the convo because the objective here is to reduce the initiative of the evasion tank to allow the board nuker to go 1st. dmg is secondary. Reducing initiative and stacking evasion is primary. the swordmaster is just for clean up. The dmg it does is not so relevant.
thieves are another class i used the dragonbone blade on. Same purpose.
I'm also not talking about endgame. I specified the use of dragonbone blade is between drakenhold and albion. once you hit albion and get a bunch of angels, even without using generics, you already have enough evade tanks to power 4-5 squads.
all those can stack evasion but at the cost of gear slots. swordmasters do it naturally and can avoid one-shot truestrikes with parry. Something rogues cant do. nor werefoxes (unless blinded), elven fencers, etc. The only evade tanks who can do this as well (and better) are the evade tanks with shields who can guard like angels, alain (most people would spec alain for nuking though) and liza/berengaria (theres only 1 mirage shield). Pointless to equip the mirage shield on a bryce/hodrick.
ochlys i've accounted for already. the elven archers make crappy evasion tanks. As i said i was accounting having about 4-5 squads so thats 10 evasion tanks (no gear swapping). So lets enumerate what we can have before albion:
1st those that can guard as well:
1. ochlys
2. liza/berengaria with mirage shield
and thats it. We need 6-8 more:
1. melisandre
2. leah
3. aramis
- - - - -
4. travis
5. gammel
6. fran
7. celeste
8. dinah
9. ramona
10 ralianor
11. ithilion
12. scarlett
so yeah at this point other evasion tanks are just worse than swordmasters. those under the line are solid evasion tanks but worse than swordmasters. Everyone else at this point has bad evasion growth or is like alain/rosalinde/eltolinde (specced for nuking instead).
anything with C evasion growth or lower struggles to hit that 1% hit rate against L50 enemies in the coliseum (assuming here L25-30 as those are the typical levels before albion).
You could replace both evasion tanks in your team comp example with literally anything that can tank start of battle attacks.
You also can just init boost your board nuke through tailwind or similar effects, like using plumes on it.
I think you've created a weird situation where you feel you need to run evasion tanks in your frontline and are not making use of basic items to init fix your board nukes so that they hit 60+ init to easily clear all content.
Swordmaster parrying things kind of sounds like you are letting the enemy attack too much in a game where you can stop them from doing anything easily. You can also just stick any remotely tanky unit on the frontline with a basic setup and this is a non-issue, and the types of units who can sit on the frontline in this way also have AOE attacks.
If I am 70 init fairy nuking the only thing that can hit me is a start of battle witch giving itself max init running row freeze which my sainted knight will row barrier to negate, or a start of battle sword master doing 10-20 damage to any unit with a shield on the frontline then promptly getting 1 shot by the board nuke.
Cleanup can be left to a sainted knight even, Swordmaster is just not needed in any team comp ever. It also dies quickly to ranged/magic assist spam due to low max HP and takes a huge hit from enemy valor skills often dying to those.
While obviously the holy unicorn is by far the most OP, if we include availability then Kings Blade is certainly #1 just bc how early you can get it
Phantom Knight Sword was excellent for me on a TZ Sainted Knight, as they just turn into mounted healers anyway, I just never took it off Monica the whole run. The extra mag potency for Row Heal was super useful, and a PP stealing magick attack is never bad.
I think it's high C tier, but I can't argue any higher than that though. DEFINITELY not D tier though, putting it in the same bracket as a Bronze Sword is just insulting
I consider it worse than Runic/outclassed by it, putting it in C is fine I guess. I would never use them though
I came here to defend Phantom Knight Sword on Sainted Knight as well. Runic Blade is good too, but Runic Blade's magic attack caps at 20 while Phantom Knight Sword's magic attack caps at 25 and the -1 PP is decent since Runic Blade's skill magic attack has no other secondary effect.
You don't need to inflict -1pp if you kill the target.
30 more potency is more damage than you realize:
30 x 1.5 = 45 damage
35. x 1.2 = 42 damage.
Even if you forge these weapons for your sainted knights (don't) it is still weaker.
It also lacks physical attack bonus which Sainted Knight uses for its normal attacks, so if you want to use 1 weapon and have the Sainted Knight switch attacks based on what it is attacking, the weapon lacks the flexibility of the Runic, which gets 10 Phys/20 Mag and has 150 potency mag attack when forged.
Another option is to use this as a 2nd weapon for sword masters. As only the highest stat & secondary effects matter when using 2 weapons/shields, this gives SM an option for taking out armored enemies which they really struggle against. That way you can keep the runic swords for sainted knights.@@IcedCoffeeGaming
Bronze sword not A tier at least? *Table Flip*
Not gonna lie I've stuck with recruit sword for the XP gain for a long time and switched back to it for the power leveling.
Phantom knights sword isn’t bad. It is worse than runic blade but for alot of things like sainted knight bad runic blade is still beter than every other option.not everyone likes swaping gear every time a different unit gets into a battle.
Not sure if you are arguing Phantom is better because you need to switch or worse?
Runic is stronger on Elven Fencer and Sainted:
- 150 Potency Attack
- Fencer attacks use Phys/Mag Potency, so having more Phys helps them with their actual class attacks
-Radiant Knight has physical attacks it can use while on Runic or it can whack with Runic magic for a big spike
-You get runic very early (Near perfect availability)
-You get Phantom near the end of Elfland, so 3/5s into the game you get a 16 mag attack sword (Lv 21 Aux Battle)
If you got it earlier it could be better but it runic/spellsteel are better for the classes it is good on.
The criteria for this tier-list kind of make no sense to me.
Since you can upgrade any weapon to maximum ATK/MATK it shouldn't be included in any consideration; unless you rate them by the time of aquisition? In which case it's only natural to vote most of the weapons higher as you naturally progress through the game (with a few exceptions here and there)?
Edit:
You are even making the argument of Forging yourself.
How can you rate the Greatwood sword lower than the Spellsteel Sword under these circumstances, when it actually provides better stats with a forged upgrade?
Also, which class are we talking about? The Winged Sword is arguebly worse for Swordmasters compared to the Carnelian Blade and the Carnelian Blade is basically undesireable on a basic Vanguard. Like, the value of weapons absolutely depends on which class equips it, there is no "general" value to these.
Here is how I evaluated the swords:
-The best swords in the game tend to have max damage for free (without upgrading) AND have great stats/abilities/passives. So even if I were to upgrade a worse sword into max stats, these swords still offer more passive attributes making them objectively better in every way compared to a worse upgraded sword. These weapons are obtained around/before you unlock forging.
-Some swords upgrade better due to how good the sword already is, or how good its passives are. You CAN upgrade a black iron sword to max, so you get 25 PHYS ATK/5% Crit, but there are other swords that give more crit + additional attributes, making it not as good even if upgraded.
-A lot of swords have negative attributes that hurt them, or are immediately outclassed by better options. These lower tier swords are generally stepping stones to better things and seriously lack anything good to justify continued use.
-Some swords are strictly better versions of other swords or have crazy unique abilities that improve the unit in a way another forged sword cannot.
-Bad swords tend to fall off relative to what is good in the game or are just strictly worse than other things.
I am curious as to which classes would want the Carnelian Swords (3 available for each weapon type) at that point in time Drakenland. Are they worth farming auxiliary battles for you think? The axes and lances maybe.
"You are even making the argument of Forging yourself.
How can you rate the Greatwood sword lower than the Spellsteel Sword under these circumstances, when it actually provides better stats with a forged upgrade?"
-Speelsteel is NOT an upgrade target, you run it until you get better things and drop it, it is therefore better than Greatwood which also falls off long term.
"Also, which class are we talking about? The Winged Sword is arguebly worse for Swordmasters compared to the Carnelian Blade and the Carnelian Blade is basically undesireable on a basic Vanguard. Like, the value of weapons absolutely depends on which class equips it, there is no "general" value to these."
-Swordmaster is a C tier class, so even if we give it the best swords in the game, it still has low HP, does low damage, and lacks Row/Column/Board attacks no matter what we do to it. Vanguard is also a bad class but giving it Carnelian Sword won't hurt it. AP+1 with good base stats and no drawbacks helps literally every class in the game. Winged Blade is good on most things, Sainted Knights like it for free passive point as it is not a crit/damage class anyways, most classes want AP/PP+1 weapons to improve their output.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Can't say I agree with any of this - Doesn't make sense in the slightest and the contradictories are too sporadic for my taste.
Randomly saying Winged Sword upgraded is fine, but not looking at other certain weapons under the same lens.
Eh. Tier-lists.
Yeah idk, splitting hairs again but I feel winged crest is better than carnelian because more good classes want PP or some defensive stat like evasion vs. anyone who is attacking is going to want a sword that has more going for it than 1AP... I can't really think of a good usecase for that and I tend to run a lot of sword units.@@IcedCoffeeGaming
I gave Galecutter to Travis and slotted him into my Berengaria unit with Sylvie (I'm using solely named units) and they demolish stuff. Pumped Sylvie full of PP (haha) and AP boosting items and nothing can cut through Ber unless they stun her (which happens)
Not that good vs heavy tanks with a bunch of hp but is good vs Cavalry which is the entire point of my comp (they're all infantry in there)
Heyy! Great video ICG. Doing weapon tier lists like this is a good idea.
Also i really like how you added in the weapon stats from the game for reference while youre talking about them
I'm only like just shy of halfway through the game, but I thought Runic Sword + Greatwood Sword on a dual wielding sword master was pretty good. He's not traditionally a magic attacker, but this makes him one, and rounds out a magicless team pretty well.
This is awesome!
If you do this for every weapon, I'll be able to complete a workbook I made for my wife that allows you to run attack simulations based on the defender, attacker, and skills they get from equipment you put on them. A++!
Heavenswing don’t deserve high S tier. Weak 10/10 stat stick. You forged it but that’s not grounds to make it S.
This along with the story line has to improve the next game...all these TRASH weapons. And we need that weak asss blacksmith earlier in the game.
I think the Bronze sword should be on a tier of its own. Literally every single other sword is better than it after all
It gets used as a stepping stone though, some of the end/middlegame swords that are bad never get used
I see what you mean, but consider the following, from the moment you can purchase weapons onwards, you can completely ditch bronze swords forever, because there are enough recruit swords to cover all early sword units in shops.
Bronze swords are so bad that there is no scenario you would willingly pick it over any other swords.
Even the recruit sword and the phantom knight sword, which you put in D tier, have more use cases.
The recruit sword will hold up throughout early cornia, and later on can still be used to help units who've fallen behind or new mercs catch up on sigils.
The phantom knight sword may be completely outclassed by the runic sword, but there's only 2 of them to go around, so it serves as a reasonable substitute for Josef or Sainted Knights if you want to field 3+ of them and have them deal magic damage.
So I would argue that Bronze swords belong in a brand new E tier
Persoanlly id rate the recruit gear a little higher.
20 percent is nothing to scoff at, especially when you're stacking it.
It serves its purpose well.
Hey Coffee been watching your videos since release day of engage. I was curious if you would do a full review of Unicorn overlord? I personally think it's one of the best games in the last decade, curious to hear your full thoughts in a review format. Thanks for all the guides!
I think Stingray can only be used by Aramis, so it makes it worse.
So I'm usually not massive pointing out people mispronouncing things, by epee is pronounced "eh (as in egg) pay"
phantom weapons are great for their PP drain. For example in the arena you can't win Amelia if you don't drain her PP at low levels.
I just use Travis for this/passive steal.
but she's also weak to the magic damage, so I found phantom weapons very effective against Amalia but basically useless in every other context@@IcedCoffeeGaming
isnt using phantom knight sword on sword master dual wielding give them the option hit armored units with magick?
It is but the Swordmaster has low attack stats and will not likely 1 shot
I think Swordmaster is the only class that would want the Sword. The only downside i can see is that the 120 multiplier is low enough to offset the stat difference between it and the Runic Blade. It's definitely the only Phantom weapon that would see any real use.
@@darrellmurray4928there are only 2 runic swords in the game. There at least 3 classes that like magic swords (fencer, saint knight, paladin), it's really good because of how scarce magic swords are
@simple45679 good point. With the patch to SM, they want to double down on physical swords for the extra damage. The Phantom Sword is all but useless now. You can maybe use it for a healbot.
Yeah I've never used a Carnelian weapon, when you need AP on a weapon there are much better options. I would put wingcrest higher, like at least bottom of A but I guess I'm splitting hairs. I feel like +PP weapon is more needed than +AP somehow. Gilbert or a feathershield is the perfect unit for it... or even an elven fencer if you're more focused on them as a pursuit and not wanting them to focus on damage.
Kinda need to disagree with Hunter's Claymore in high S-tier. High A-tier, for sure. _Maybe_ low S-tier if it's on a landsknecht or wolf bestral. But in my opinion anything that's only really good in specific cases doesn't deserve a slot in S-tier.
Couple other stuff here and there, but that was my main gripe. Nice list and thank you for doing it!
I love how Wyvern Razor started in S tier and then ended up in low B at the end. XD
I definitely appreciate these kinds of lists. A friendly critique is that it seems like you weren't really sure where to put each sword going into it, and it may sound more "legit" to the audience if you try to vaguely map it out before recording. Just a friendly suggestion!!
Hey you can combo dancing delight with Druids robes and a sergeant to get 12 attacks. Without seargent with druids robes it’s still a guaranteed 8 attack. It’s still slow as you said, but it’s not just “good” at cleaning up, it’s probably the best at it. I recommend trying it on Amalia alongside a shutdown comp.
Im gonna stand by an upgraded phantom knights blade on a paladin or sainted knight who mainly supports but also gives them the ability to melt armored units. Lets bump that up a few tiers? ❤
The Phantom Sword is a Sleeper pick on Sainted Knight, you just need to forge it.
Splendid video! Hope you will also covers Spears and Axes next, since i think axes options are kind of weak compared to avaibility of op spears and swords
Phantom Sword is definitely worse than Runic overall but putting it in D-tier seems harsh even if you assume you’ll minmax every single combat swapping out your Runic Blades. If it gets dinged for being redundant then why isn’t Spellsteel also down in D because of Runic, or every physical statstick sword dinged because Kingsblade exists?
B-rank for Steel weapons seems pretty high for a pure filler weapon. You’d never go out of your way to buy these and by the time they become commonplace in Bastorias you’re almost at the point where you could grab meteorite weapons which are just strictly better.
I think Hailstorm Edge is super slept on! It’s the only source of true hit among swords and even if you don’t kill the freeze ensures they won’t dodge a follow-up attack, so it’s really nice as a one-slot tech option for dealing with evasion tanks. I like it on units like Virginia or Berenice who are strapped for item slots, and the accuracy boost is just helpful all around.
Kingsblade definitely deserves the top spot over Unicorn Blade and Notos Sword IMO just because you can get it almost as soon as you start the game and stays relevant the entire game. I’d put Notos’ sword over Unicorn as well because as overpowered as Alain is he’s the only unit that can wield it, it won’t be helping any other swordies.
Most weapons are unlocked in a progression, Runic is immediately available and Phantom gets unlocked near the end of Elflands in a Level 21 Aux battle. It is hard to justify it is even a stat stick considering it exists 3/5s into the game.
The use case of Virginia true hit, she can maiden hammer true hit counter attack, she has true strike vs flying. She also is low init and mostly tanks/hits after evasion tanks are killed making this redundant largely.
You can get some steel weapons early, you could consider them C tier, they are stepping stones with good stats.
The only use i can think of for the phantom weapons is stealing Amalia passive points in the arena
Phantom knight sword is good as a main weapon for elven fencers, also it's great for dual-wielding classes for it's magical defense and ability to cut down armored units. Swordmasters would love this. So why it's a D-tier, I don't get it.
Runic does the same thing but better, Runic is better on Elven Fencers because they already have hybrid attacks with 75/75 potency and also high magical attack so 150 potency on Runic does more damage than 120 potency on Phantom.
Swordmasters have low phys/mag attack stats and cannot 1 shot with it either, Runic is better for this if that is the goal. Swordmasters lack column/row/board attacks for endgame team comps.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Hybrid attacks is kinda meh for them, because elves have a much higher magic stat, so 120 potency mag att is much better in means of a raw attack power, than hybrid. Also PP damage. And while I agree, that Runic sword is a better weapon overall, it's in S tier, while Phantom knight sword is at the bottom. I mean, it's not that useless.
Runic has better availability, has bigger MT for sainted, benefits physical attackers who are dipping into it for magical damage so they still have some damage bonus, benefits Mirage Stab which is a row attack hybrid attack, and it has 30 more potency than the Phantom Knight Sword.
Runic is just objectively better than it. More flexible, near perfect availability, never falls off, has several use cases that matter, has a bigger attack, even has nuke potential for Fencer row nuke or Sainted Knight super poke.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I think what he meant is Phantom Knight Sword definitely not D tier if you have to compare it with S-tier Runic Sword. It might be A or B, especially since you don't have infinite Runic Blade to work with, Phantom Knight Sword does well as substitute.
There are at least 2 Runic Blades.
Phantom Knight has 120 potency attack making it a lot weaker for the Niche of Runic, at base it has 2 more magic but its attack is much worse and it lacks physical damage boost which directly benefits Elven Fencer who attacks with Phys/Mag potency simultaneously.
On Sainted/Radiant you get +2 mag at base but also miss out on physical side, so if the Sainted wants to attack with its physical attacks and not the magical one, it gets no physical attack bonus to its normal abilities.
As for competition, I would never consider running Phantom on anything. It is outclassed by Spellsteel sword at base, greatwood elven sword also has better stats so I actually think it belongs in D tier.
Nice. Mostly I agreed with the list.
Where is Sharpness V Diamond Sword?
Swordmasters are a lot better than you're giving them credit for. Big AoE may be "meta" but it's very counterable.
In PVE or PVP? In PVP they may be good I don't play PVP though.
This list is only for PVE as well.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I think in PvP Swordmasters speak for themselves.
In PvE, though - that's where the tssues begin. To be truthful, I was referring to PvE. I know one can make an optimized team based around Trinity Rain or spamming rows of Great Knights, but every strategy has a weakness or two, and winning via single target damage is hardly out of the question. In fact, some NPC teams are put together to counter AoE magic spam.
I know that Swordmasters don't have the highest damage in the game (although a properly buffed Meteor Slashes on the right target can do absurd damage) but they are a VERY flexible class.
1) You can use them on the front row, combining Parry with Evasion tanking (both are a must, not just one or the other) and anti-magic support. Making them a tough nut to crack.
2) You can use them on the backline as DPS machines, using PP to fuel their Impetus for more +AP and crit damage. You also still get their dodge as defense, although no Parry unless you specifically turn it on (which is the beauty of this game in general: you can float weapons and switch tactics between every bout of combat).
3) You can make a "lifesteal" build with Sanguine Blade in your offhand for the skill, and one of those S-tier, excellent swords for your mainhand "damage" sword. Again this cam be on your frontliner (anti-chip damage vs certain comps).
4) Double target ranged AoE attacking anti-flying SM that also is amazing at single target, that can hit the back line.
I could go on, but the whole point I'm making is that the Swordmaster core stat layout is good, and they have access to a ton of Sword-exclusive abilities without sacrificing powerful passive effects + magic damage increases.
Swordmasters are a very high skill ceiling class. They're not a "fire and forget" class. They need to be interacted with before every battle, to make sure you're using the right setup for the particular situation they're entering.
When you have unga bunga big AoE / Greatknight spam, why bother? Because there still be times where those strats won't work. Or they'll hopefully add a new difficulty. Or if you have any PvP aspirations, it's a good habit to form. I'm not saying you're doing this, but learning to lean on Trinity Rain or Druid shananigans or Great Knight spam isn't going to do anything but roll through a game that many consider "too easy" to begin with.
So while I appreciate the late game tier list as a guide to what "works best" at putting NPCs on farm status, I think it's a bit misleading (by no fault of your own) because in actual high-end play a lot of these one-shot wonder comps get curbstomped by a team that's anticipating them.
Do you like my sword, sword? My diamond sword, sword.
Why is the Royal Blade so high? Bandit sword gives you 2 less initiative but 10 whole evasion points, plus the gold thing, and it has the same attack. Should not be a whole tier higher than the Bandit sword.
Init +5 > Init +3
Is +2 init more valuable than +10 Evasion and double money? And if it is, is it really a whole ass tier more valuable?@@IcedCoffeeGaming
Yes, because in the use case, we only care about Init here. I want to have as high init as humanly possible and very few weapons in the game give a good init value. 2x gold (on the unit that is using this) doesn't help you at all in this game, you can easily buy all the consumables/weapons/gear you need in your playthrough and never run into money issues. 10 Evasion is good but now we are using the weapon for Evasion instead of init. I am thinking in terms of end game potential, Init +5 is used to accelerate a combo piece (prince) typically, so getting 2 less in this use case is just worse.
The evasion doesn't matter here. Arguably the best teams can kill before enemy attacks go off, so init IMO is the best stat in the game currently.
That's a fair point. One thing I'm just now realizing is that besides the legendary weapons, there really aren't a lot of swords that increase Initiative. There really aren't a lot of weapons that do that actually...@@IcedCoffeeGaming
Do you have a list of items and where to get them?
Not yet
@@IcedCoffeeGaming looking forward to other list of equipment!
Nice. Mostly I agreed with the list.
Phantom knight sword gank rise up. You have lost your PP Privileges. In all fairness I mostly use it as filler weapon for my sainted knights (got 4).
I also looked into when you get it exactly, Lv 21 Aux battle near end of elven area, so it has worse availability than spellsteel and especially Runic.