Botvinnik vs. Tal | World Championship 1960 - GM Ben Finegold - 2015.10.08
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2015
- Grandmaster Ben Finegold tells the story of the 1960 World Championship match. Hear humorous anecdotes of the Soviet Union chess scene from back in the day. See four of the best games from the match.
Mikhail Tal vs Mikhail Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): B11 Caro-Kann, two knights, 3...Bg4
Botvinnik vs Tal, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E69 King's Indian, fianchetto, classical main line
Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): A05 Reti, King's Indian attack
Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E19 Queen's Indian, old main line, 9.Qxc3
Every time a Ben Finegold video is posted, an angel gets its wings
..and flies too close to the sun...
Those are some very suspicious angels.
@@xDMrGarrison I'm dying here😂
Wow now buddy. GM Finegold is an ardent atheist, so he'd take offense to that.
and when it's on the st Louis channel, it's an arch-angel
Yes!!!!! Ben is back. Best chess lecturer on the planet.
+Ben Finegold BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
+Ben Finegold I wasn;t confused when you paused--you were sipping your iced tea.
u said it
+Ben Finegold Ben your lectures are fine as gold
+andyisyoda I just wish he was more sarcastic. His lectures are pretty dry and non-witty. :-)
Finegold is easily the best chess lecturer I've seen. You guys should pay him more and convince him to give more classes.
+Ben Finegold Just awesome thank u GM Ben. The most truth, about life and about chess, that I've seen in a youtube video, I think. I didn't think u could or would get better but I think u are. Watch out R Pryor, R Williams :-) - Jokes that are funny cause they're stoopid are fine ('c4') ; jokes "funny because it's true", about something important, are the best. (As Homer saith.) All hail Finegold. These are seriously great stuff.
+Ben Finegold very suspicious
Tal said on his chess style "It's like leading your opponent into a dark forest where 2+2=5 and the way out is only one person wide.
@Oissev Onos eyy!! The greatest Lasker fan is here
Somehow I feel like this was one of the more personal Finegold's lectures. I was really touched by his recollections of the good old times. Just love this guy.
If Nigel short challenged Mikhal tal people will be commentating it's short vs tall
Very suspicious!
glenn so yeah but short got destroyed by fisher lol
@@chair3736 Nice spelling there. Also Fischer and Nigel short have never played
@@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 they have, it's on agadmator channel, it was online.
@@PonchoExperience they haven’t, those games were not played by Fischer and there is no evidence to suggest they were
when you talk about their excuses, it's true that Tal was ill at the time, but he NEVER stated this publicly, never tried to excuse his loss with his health issues.
Comedy King of Chess "GM Ben Finegold " is here ladies and gentlemen! Woooohoooo!!
I’ve known Ben since back in the ‘80’s when he was just a young teenager and already played like a master. I watch his videos quite often here on YT and I must say he’s ALSO very good at what he does talking and lecturing Chess.
Yes! Ben Finegold. Highly recommended.
Yeah a Ben Finegold Video finally !
+Der Daniel It's been a while!
I'm glad he got in at least one "very suspicious" at the end.
Amazing lecture! This and a lecture by Yasser (Fischer - Spasky) are just pure gold.
Classical Music for Everyone *fine gold
Great lecture. Hope for more :)
hooray for me..ben is back haha
Top form Ben. hugely enjoyable, Thank you.
I always have a great time viewing your videos!
Excellent, Ben is back. :)
Another game won listening to Ben. Thank you
Tal and Finegold, instant fucking like. Great to see you again!
Amazing teacher for chess. There's not many on this youtube. Finegold, you're a sell, man.
Finally, a video in HD!
Finegold isn't sipping some kind of beverage?? Suspicious!
Haha!!
+RyanC232 he is! around 4:44 :)
+RyanC232 27:14 you didn't see it. Check mate, Ben wins :)
Quite the fancy one actually, got fresh lemon in there!
yay ben is back
Thank you so much for covering this! Most people don't know but you can't ignore everyone at once, so generally I ignore GM Ben Finegold
It's amazing how Tal's games are still being examined and discussed today. Many of the GM games today are boring and will soon be long forgotten in the near future. However, Tal's games will still live on and prosper forever.
Is Finegold cutting a silent fart at 30:00?
Most of the games of the past are forgotten, too. You mostly only see games where at least one of the players was in the top two or three in the world at some time.
BEN is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINEGOLD! Finally
GIVE THIS GUY A RAISE!!!!
07:55 Mikhail Tal vs Mikhail Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): B11 Caro-Kann, two knights, 3...Bg4
12:38 Botvinnik vs Tal, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E69 King's Indian, fianchetto, classical main line
32:14 Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): A05 Reti, King's Indian attack
43:08 Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E19 Queen's Indian, old main line, 9.Qxc3
YES, FINALLY! I thought he had been fired or something.
Terrible!!
I need a shirt that has Finegold's face on it and the text "It's never F6", but I dunno if he could scowl as well as Hugh Laurie to make it work.
One could wish that chess players stopped playing for draws so much. But I guess that would be a tal order
no? nothing? terrible...
you rule GM Feingold. love from Irannnnnn. lots of fans here
The way Botvinnik played is more tuned to my understanding of the game.
Whenever I have those Tal “feelings” where you just “feel” that pieces have to be there; they should not be there 😂
soooooooooooooo im from saint john new brunswick.... never have i ever clicked on a chess video expecting someone to know where this is
YES BEN IS BACK
In a strange way, Ben looks and sounds like Jonah Hill (Voice, humor and appearance)
I love Tal so much, attack attack attack.
What a great speech for interestig chess! Ben Finegold i a romantic chess philosoph
One thing you can learn from the games played in the 50's and 60's is how they attacked in the Middle Game. Obviously Tal and Fischer but also Korchnoi, Spassky Geller, Stein and many Soviets have moments of good instruction in a variety of openings. Petrosian once said-"The only purpose of the opening is to reach a playable Middle Game." Botvinnik and Fischer player 'their systems' to perfection which gave solid instruction. Play thru Fischer's Ruy Lopez games and you learn how to play it.
He is insane
42:10 whats the name of the sandwich place in St Louis? Carfe Fartel?
The 23th World Championship??? Very suspicious.
Terrible
I like this channel
I am rated 1209
and I'm rated lower than most the people in the kids class. Terrible! Love the channel, especially kummer and finegold
0:20 "So I looked at the list...and, strangely, my kiss was on the list but it was the wrong list - it was the Hall & Oates list. But then I found the chess list."
My favorite part: "Qb4. That's a Tal move. I'd be afraid." One move later: "Rc4--now THAT'S a Tal move."
top five lesson of GM Ben. my first name Ben too.
Which is the software are they using to teach chess??
I love the idea that doubling the bishop pawns is an error. As if having a knight on c3 is a disadvantage. Please anyone explain how a doubled bishop pawn is a weakness when the pawn blocked from tempi is the 7th ranks best defender??
More personal channel videos plz!
LOVE YOU BEN V.V
😊great guy
It is ridiculous that a WCH match is only say, 12 games. Come on...it's a WCH dammit!
Yeah it kinda pissed me off that the World Champiuonship was decided in Rapid rather than Classical this year
arsenalfanrichi Yeah that's bullshit. If they aren't going to play a decent number of classical time control games then the hell with it just play the WCH with faster time control and play at least 24 games.
@@arsenalfanrichi happened again
There's definitely something to watching players that aren't quite as good. 2500 and 2600-level tournaments are much more informative and interesting to watch than 2700 tournaments.
Why not @29:23 White Qxc4? Wouldn't that force Tals rook on c8xc4 then allowing Rb1xc1?
It's Black's move at 29:23.
Around 7:15 in the background “World Championship 23th”. What the hell is 23th?!
i Like your videos but please make a nezhmetdinov games' analysis
Tal - Vaganian 1988 St John Blitz is such a comedy of errors. Vaganian has a simple mate in 3, but does not take it. On top of that, an IM that I'll leave anonymous, stated in his chess column, that players are so good that seldom even correspondence games are this high level.
Wants to know Ben Finegold's reaction on Artist Giri's 14 draws in Candidates
I agree Ben.. Im glad you dont play like that.. Exciting chess out of theory is the way to go.. Keep preaching brother..
I got that MCR reference at the beggining
Tal really was always sick, and he did look 90 years old at 50 years old. Ben Finegold is your dad a GM in chess too like you?
his dad is a GM he's a GM his Brother is a GM his cat might even be a GM for all we know
tes516 his dad was a NM if i am not wrong.
@@jessesmoot1285 Not true. His father Ronald was a strong player -- in the top fifty in the US in the early 1960s -- but quite a way short of a grandmaster. His brother Mark plays (he and Ronald both scored 8/12 in the 1992 US Open, as did Bisguier) but, again, not a grandmaster. You're probably right about the cat, though. 🤣
23:24 what was that?!? :0
Hi Ben y dont you play blitz match against Anand and definitely u will get your answer
@28:16 why is knight D1 bad?
23:00 drinkgasm
Tal and Fischer made those moves for one reason...they were saying my game is good enough to make whatever move i want and....watch this shit.
I enjoy Ben watching at Home but it would be uncomfortable to actually be in the lecture
So I believe that Bobby Fischer's complaint was that the Challenger would win the match if it was tied after 24 games. That makes sense. So if they would have a home-and-home series the first one would be drawn and the Challenger would get it and the rematch would be drawn I'm the original champion would get it back
Ben it isnt a tal move its a short move
There is a video by Simon Williams about one game that is so funny, look it up!
Play like Tal it's called...
It's all about the Mikhails
I dont like Giri as a player for the reasons Ben said. A decent player, sure, but where's the risks and nuances? Just theory.
That sounded a lot like Carlsen at the end there.
This is one of Ben's bad videos you should see one of the good ones.
Rotating GM!!!
+Борис Каморзин but he saw it...
Actually Botvinnik won a match with Bronstein whan he was WC
27:23 I think I'd probably take the a7 pawn
Isn't the pawn hanging on c4 at 34:00? Can't black play dxc4 and win the c4 pawn? I calculated a few lines with the white queen coming out to b4 but after black plays b5 I don't see what white can do... I am a 2066 rated player.
its not a question of taking material. which black could, but take away from the centre compensates the loss to white and furthermore black did not complete development as its rook and knight were still tucked in the corner(as a matter of fact black developed its knight instead of capturing). strategically is worthless. but i am lower rated than you by a fair amount i am just assuming this is a valid reason since "the centre" is sacred
I understand general principles. But this is one of those where there has to be a tangible refutation... Otherwise black is just up a pawn! I completely agree with you on the strategic points Timothy Barth but in my humble opinion I believe that that might not be enough for white to prove a real advantage. I have a strong feeling that I must be missing something more concrete for White.
min 28:28
why dont Ka4 ?
+Peri Feue
sorry
i meant Na4
Where is Arjun?
13:25 flip the board in case Mike shows up
29:00 After Qc2 Be4 white is probably winning. If Rxe4 Nxe4 Qb1 and now Nxd6! hanging the rook and treat Qe6This move Botvinnik miss in the time trouble
By fishcer logic when a player is losing he will just draw and stall. What kind of match preparation was that, even worse than 12 matches into blitz
35:47 VERY FUNNY TEACHER lol
Engine likes white after gxf3
Tal had alot of health problems. Fisher was kind of nuts too
As Agadmator said, "If Tal took care of his health and didn't smoke so much and if Fischer wasn't Fischer, then the future of chess in the 60s and 70s could have looked very different." That seems accurate.
does anyone know what the hell happened to his teeth
Ok now I know why Anish Giri make a draw so easily. Well atleast what Ben Finegold said. He studies opening theory very well and plays based on the theory. Thus his move are very much perfect but leads to draws against these Super Grand Masters.
Now I don't think players should be forced to loose by the fans. You never watch a football or track and field match and I hear people forcing players to play for the win/ lost. If a player wants to play safe that's their decision. However compensating a winner for sacrificing for the win is the way to go.
Tal was f'in with him.
cheers from france, you could be a comedian if you were not teaching chess my friend
Cover Rashid nezmitdinov
como se llama esa musica ?
Sexo
First to win 3 games then.
1960 seems to need an excuse more than 1961. Even at his height, Tal didn't crush top positional players. At BZB he lost three out of 4 to Keres, didn't win any against Petrosian, and had a losing score against the Top 4. He won the tournament by crushing the weakies (Fischer, Benko, Gligoric and Olafsson. Tal might not have become world champion at all if they'd had candidates matches then.
Tal won Bled right after that match, he couldn't have been too sick. Botvinnik was just Botvinnik. Tal was great, against most people, but several people had his number.
Way way way too interesting speaker.
I'm tired of your shananagens Benjamin Winger I want the ultimate game Fischer vs Magnus com'on man
Never take Tal's queen. It's a trap.
Tal and Chuck Norris fought one time. Tal won by sacrificing both his arms.
how prescient in his rant! McShane/Naka drew in 10!