it sure is, but i'm trying to find a machinist who can alter my kujira fuse (or make one from scratch) so I can fit your tails at a shorter distance. That level of control on a shorter fuse??? - mind blown!!!! Or maybe Takuma could just make a shorter fuse🤔
Hi Dominic! Another great inspiration! I‘m on signature foils (GC 195 & Albi 210) for winging and thinking about replacing my apex 16“ rear wing. Do you think the step down to the 13“ KD tail is to big? Should I better go for the 13,5? Thank you for your time. (Btw: greetings to Lars, from Jens / Fehmarn)
I'm not sure of those foils but to give you a reference I use a 15" kd tail with the axis 1300 (and the 1150) and a 13" kd tail with the kujira 1440 (similar to the HPS1050)
Thanks Dominic. That was quick. 😃My Signature Gamechanger (wave-mid aspect) has an area of 1260 with a span of 83 and the Albatross (classic HA) area 1355, span 93. compared to the foils you mentioned these are on the smaller side. So the 13“ from KD should work. Hope I can get one before x-mas…..😳
@@dominichoskyns9091 Hi Dominic! I’ve used the 13“ KD-Tail for a couple of weeks now on my SPG Game Changer 195 with a mid fuse. It’s been a very good frontwing anyway, but this tail beams it to an other galaxy! Everything got better: Speed, turning, control, pumping… exactly as you said. it’s like the tail pronounces the good aspects of the frontwings character. Result: a very inspiring and confidence giving ride. Even in marginal wind conditions there’s no real need to go bigger. Thank you so much for this recommendation!
Do you know the area of the 15” stab or any of the others from Kane . I’m interested because I’m looking for a larger alternative to the Armstrong ha195 stab . I believe 15” might be the same span as the ha195 but perhaps the chord is longer in Kanes one . Im after more low end for when down winding but don’t want to create more drag via their 232 or 300 stabs . Thanks for the vids .
No, the smallest foils I've ladder started are 1300cm2, but only about 10% success rate. I can get about 50% + with the kujira 1440 or the Axis PNG1010 which are about 1450cm2 and have a very low stall speed . The 1099 is not only small at 1150cm2 but its also very high aspect ratio therefore has a higher stall speed compared to the other foils I use for ladder starting. Foils like the 1099 need a running start to get the extra speed they need to stay on foil, which you obviously can't do from a ladder
Can I pump with the foils whjch I use for wing foiling ? I mean are they two different types (pump foil vs. wing foil) of foils ? I just started learning wing foiling with 2000 cm2 front wing. Can I pump foiling with the sams foil ?
You can pump with any foil as long as it's big enough for your weight. 2000 cm2 is plenty big, should be good. Foils for dock starting and flat water pumping used to be limited to the biggest foil in whatever range, but some brands are beginning to design foils specifically for this purpose, but in general a big foil should do the job.
Awesome video ! Thank you very much !!! Did you try Kujira Hélium 1500 for pumping ? I wonder if it is possible ?... Could you maybe compare with others if you try it once ?
I haven't got access to a Helium yet, it may be possible but not for a few months. From what I've heard it's a good pumper, a bit slower and slightly less reactive than the kujiras but that means you need less energy to pump which is a good thing.
@@dominichoskyns9091 so 62 and 65 cm fuses. Not 50z you mentioned that shorter fuse will translate into loss of stability.. but does it translate into longer pumping? (Ie: saving himan energy )
So, how much more wind do you need (as shown in video) to get on foil with your 8 metre Strike? I've got one coming in the next few days -- where I am the foil drive is illegal ($350 fine) so I'm going to have to rely on the foil and wing (and my pumping ability -- the weak link) to have fun. Thanks for these videos. Do you think the 13" KDMaui stabilizer will give the 1440 a little more bottom end for winging? Thanks for any suggestions for getting up on foil in low winds.
I'm 82kg and can get up on foil in an average of 7 knots with my custom Jimmy Lewis board (quite light at just over 6kg) and the Axis 1300. It takes effort and it's best to wait till the gusts to prevent you from wearing yourself out too quickly. However, once up on foil in such light wind there's not much you can do but cruise around. In 8-10 knots I will actually use my Kujira 1440 as it has such a good bottom end and is more fun/maneuverable than the big foils such as the 1300 or 1150. The 220 kujira tail has a good amount of lift, but I find it poor for pumping and feels a little slippery, but that's probably because I'm used to the KD tails which are just awesome in terms of grip, control, pumping, maneuverability etc etc. My 14.5" KD tail has a slightly better bottom end and a bit more 'pump' than the 13", but the 13" is so much more maneuverable and is a bit faster, so I guess it's a compromise, but I would always go with the KD tails given a choice - probably the 14" would be the best match with the 1440 in terms of low wind performance and still have awesome control and maneuverability. Low wind pumping technique comes through practice. The good news is that the Strike CWC are so easy to pump and have surprising amount amount of power. Try to make long oval movements with the wing - push it away from you towards the nose of the board, then around and in towards you. Try to time pumping the board in time with the wing, and make sure you point the board slightly downwind (but not too much) to get as much board speed as possible before you try to pump up on foil.
Have you tried the 15” KD tail with the 1440? If so, how did it compare? I have the 15” tail and wondering if the 13” is worth picking up. Great video, btw! 🤙🏽
My 15" KD tail has hole spacings for Axis so I can't use it with Takuma, however I have a 14.5" kd tail that has holes for Takuma (I got it when I was riding GoFoil) which works fine, but I prefer the 13" KD with all 3 sizes of kujira's as it makes them so much more maneuverable and a bit faster. The 15" will work great if that's all you have. It will pump better and will be more stable than the 13".
That's a pretty nice video. Thanks for sharing your research. I have build my own tail wing for the axis 1300. a 3mm thin carbon plate with same span as the 460. its much more efficient for flat water pumping, because it's more thin and has a positive lift. Will send you a picture on Instagram.
I've thought for a while that a positive lift stabilizer would be better for pumping. Do you know if any of the companies make one? Does your pumping technique change with your rear wing? I bet Devon the WakeThief guy would be interested in this.
@@davidbruton2435 did not find any manufacturer, so I build Diy. You need some time to adapt your technique to it but once you got used to it, you will love it. You can go much slower and you will have less drag.
@@norushnomore a sim under the front of the rear wing will not change the foil section. It still would procedures negative lift. That shim will change the pitch control and increase drag. BTW I am looking for a manufacturer who can produce my wing. I will send a prototype to Dominic and wakethief
@@norushnomore . I'm not a dock-starter yet. I foil behind a kite, cable, boat. I want to start dock-starting and have ordered a new foil. However, my experience with shimming is that the biggest effect it has is to create more drag. Drag Bad. Most stabilizers have negative lift -- they push down -- unlike front wings that push up. So the stabilizer wants to pitch the foil up. This is to counteract the pitching force created by drag on the front wing and a rider who is relatively far from the pitching moment of the foil. I think Olaf's idea is that a the positive lift stabilizer will still "stabilize" the foil -- by acting kind of like the fletching on an arrow. You probably have to ride with your weight further back but the foil can still be stable. Then when you un-weight the foil while pumping, it won't pitch up but simply will rise up through the water using the positive lift from both the front and back wings -- staying in a pitch-down or perhaps level angle of attack. Having the foil pitch up destroys your forward momentum because when the foil is pitched up, the lift from the front wing is now pushing in the opposite direction that you are travelling. Devon the wake thief says he has tried inverting the stabilizers and says it didn't help much. He says that his fish-tail thing was the most efficient stabilizer modification he's done. You can see our conversation on one of his posts. ruclips.net/video/A-dSjr_hC2U/видео.html&lc=UgxJZ05-ywyFJVk1YMB4AaABAg.9TdknOalX9_9Tdu6POYsz_
Awesome feedback and thanks so much!! That pedigo tail is definitely a game changer for maneuverability!
it sure is, but i'm trying to find a machinist who can alter my kujira fuse (or make one from scratch) so I can fit your tails at a shorter distance. That level of control on a shorter fuse??? - mind blown!!!! Or maybe Takuma could just make a shorter fuse🤔
Another great video! However a shot of the tails in question would have been good, particularly the pedigo to see how it’s shaped.
Great idea - i'm on it - probably on my Insta, but I'm planning on doing another video on rear stabs so if I do that I'll include it there
Hello, what kind of wood and which thickness do you use for your platform?
Hi Dominic! Another great inspiration! I‘m on signature foils (GC 195 & Albi 210) for winging and thinking about replacing my apex 16“ rear wing. Do you think the step down to the 13“ KD tail is to big? Should I better go for the 13,5? Thank you for your time. (Btw: greetings to Lars, from Jens / Fehmarn)
I'm not sure of those foils but to give you a reference I use a 15" kd tail with the axis 1300 (and the 1150) and a 13" kd tail with the kujira 1440 (similar to the HPS1050)
Thanks Dominic. That was quick. 😃My Signature Gamechanger (wave-mid aspect) has an area of 1260 with a span of 83 and the Albatross (classic HA) area 1355, span 93. compared to the foils you mentioned these are on the smaller side. So the 13“ from KD should work. Hope I can get one before x-mas…..😳
@@jensomatdreitausend in that case definitely the 13" 👌
@@dominichoskyns9091 Hi Dominic! I’ve used the 13“ KD-Tail for a couple of weeks now on my SPG Game Changer 195 with a mid fuse. It’s been a very good frontwing anyway, but this tail beams it to an other galaxy! Everything got better: Speed, turning, control, pumping… exactly as you said. it’s like the tail pronounces the good aspects of the frontwings character. Result: a very inspiring and confidence giving ride. Even in marginal wind conditions there’s no real need to go bigger. Thank you so much for this recommendation!
Niceeee! Great Carving.
Do you know the area of the 15” stab or any of the others from Kane . I’m interested because I’m looking for a larger alternative to the Armstrong ha195 stab . I believe 15” might be the same span as the ha195 but perhaps the chord is longer in Kanes one . Im after more low end for when down winding but don’t want to create more drag via their 232 or 300 stabs . Thanks for the vids .
I'll try and remember to measure it for you
Can you ladder start the 1099?
No, the smallest foils I've ladder started are 1300cm2, but only about 10% success rate. I can get about 50% + with the kujira 1440 or the Axis PNG1010 which are about 1450cm2 and have a very low stall speed . The 1099 is not only small at 1150cm2 but its also very high aspect ratio therefore has a higher stall speed compared to the other foils I use for ladder starting. Foils like the 1099 need a running start to get the extra speed they need to stay on foil, which you obviously can't do from a ladder
Can I pump with the foils whjch I use for wing foiling ? I mean are they two different types (pump foil vs. wing foil) of foils ? I just started learning wing foiling with 2000 cm2 front wing. Can I pump foiling with the sams foil ?
You can pump with any foil as long as it's big enough for your weight. 2000 cm2 is plenty big, should be good. Foils for dock starting and flat water pumping used to be limited to the biggest foil in whatever range, but some brands are beginning to design foils specifically for this purpose, but in general a big foil should do the job.
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thank you... I will try it tomorrow and update you how it went... 😁😝
Does the 1150 work on a wakesurfboat, while a friend is wakesurfing or is it to slow for that purpose.
You can foil the wake of a waverunner with the 1150 so a smaller foil would be better for a proper wake surf boat that makes a bigger wake
Awesome video ! Thank you very much !!! Did you try Kujira Hélium 1500 for pumping ? I wonder if it is possible ?... Could you maybe compare with others if you try it once ?
I haven't got access to a Helium yet, it may be possible but not for a few months. From what I've heard it's a good pumper, a bit slower and slightly less reactive than the kujiras but that means you need less energy to pump which is a good thing.
Thank you for infos !
Hi, i have a question: if i have an axis black fuselage, and mast and wings are carbon, do i steel need tef gel?
If yes, on wich screws?
Yes, on all of them - because the bolt inserts are all metal
what is your fuse size? Great video!
Ultra short Axis. Takuma only do one size
@@dominichoskyns9091 so 62 and 65 cm fuses. Not 50z you mentioned that shorter fuse will translate into loss of stability.. but does it translate into longer pumping? (Ie: saving himan energy )
@@DmitryAvramenko longer fuses are more efficient for long periods of pumping as they have a lower cadence so you can pump slightly slower
So, how much more wind do you need (as shown in video) to get on foil with your 8 metre Strike? I've got one coming in the next few days -- where I am the foil drive is illegal ($350 fine) so I'm going to have to rely on the foil and wing (and my pumping ability -- the weak link) to have fun. Thanks for these videos. Do you think the 13" KDMaui stabilizer will give the 1440 a little more bottom end for winging? Thanks for any suggestions for getting up on foil in low winds.
I'm 82kg and can get up on foil in an average of 7 knots with my custom Jimmy Lewis board (quite light at just over 6kg) and the Axis 1300. It takes effort and it's best to wait till the gusts to prevent you from wearing yourself out too quickly. However, once up on foil in such light wind there's not much you can do but cruise around. In 8-10 knots I will actually use my Kujira 1440 as it has such a good bottom end and is more fun/maneuverable than the big foils such as the 1300 or 1150. The 220 kujira tail has a good amount of lift, but I find it poor for pumping and feels a little slippery, but that's probably because I'm used to the KD tails which are just awesome in terms of grip, control, pumping, maneuverability etc etc. My 14.5" KD tail has a slightly better bottom end and a bit more 'pump' than the 13", but the 13" is so much more maneuverable and is a bit faster, so I guess it's a compromise, but I would always go with the KD tails given a choice - probably the 14" would be the best match with the 1440 in terms of low wind performance and still have awesome control and maneuverability.
Low wind pumping technique comes through practice. The good news is that the Strike CWC are so easy to pump and have surprising amount amount of power. Try to make long oval movements with the wing - push it away from you towards the nose of the board, then around and in towards you. Try to time pumping the board in time with the wing, and make sure you point the board slightly downwind (but not too much) to get as much board speed as possible before you try to pump up on foil.
Have you tried the 15” KD tail with the 1440? If so, how did it compare? I have the 15” tail and wondering if the 13” is worth picking up. Great video, btw! 🤙🏽
My 15" KD tail has hole spacings for Axis so I can't use it with Takuma, however I have a 14.5" kd tail that has holes for Takuma (I got it when I was riding GoFoil) which works fine, but I prefer the 13" KD with all 3 sizes of kujira's as it makes them so much more maneuverable and a bit faster. The 15" will work great if that's all you have. It will pump better and will be more stable than the 13".
That's a pretty nice video. Thanks for sharing your research. I have build my own tail wing for the axis 1300. a 3mm thin carbon plate with same span as the 460. its much more efficient for flat water pumping, because it's more thin and has a positive lift. Will send you a picture on Instagram.
I've thought for a while that a positive lift stabilizer would be better for pumping. Do you know if any of the companies make one? Does your pumping technique change with your rear wing? I bet Devon the WakeThief guy would be interested in this.
Would simply adding the shim under the front of the stab do the same? Post your pix in facebook dockstart group
@@davidbruton2435 did not find any manufacturer, so I build Diy. You need some time to adapt your technique to it but once you got used to it, you will love it. You can go much slower and you will have less drag.
@@norushnomore a sim under the front of the rear wing will not change the foil section. It still would procedures negative lift. That shim will change the pitch control and increase drag. BTW I am looking for a manufacturer who can produce my wing. I will send a prototype to Dominic and wakethief
@@norushnomore . I'm not a dock-starter yet. I foil behind a kite, cable, boat. I want to start dock-starting and have ordered a new foil. However, my experience with shimming is that the biggest effect it has is to create more drag. Drag Bad. Most stabilizers have negative lift -- they push down -- unlike front wings that push up. So the stabilizer wants to pitch the foil up. This is to counteract the pitching force created by drag on the front wing and a rider who is relatively far from the pitching moment of the foil.
I think Olaf's idea is that a the positive lift stabilizer will still "stabilize" the foil -- by acting kind of like the fletching on an arrow. You probably have to ride with your weight further back but the foil can still be stable. Then when you un-weight the foil while pumping, it won't pitch up but simply will rise up through the water using the positive lift from both the front and back wings -- staying in a pitch-down or perhaps level angle of attack. Having the foil pitch up destroys your forward momentum because when the foil is pitched up, the lift from the front wing is now pushing in the opposite direction that you are travelling.
Devon the wake thief says he has tried inverting the stabilizers and says it didn't help much. He says that his fish-tail thing was the most efficient stabilizer modification he's done. You can see our conversation on one of his posts. ruclips.net/video/A-dSjr_hC2U/видео.html&lc=UgxJZ05-ywyFJVk1YMB4AaABAg.9TdknOalX9_9Tdu6POYsz_