Jayson Tatum Deserve MORE RESPECT From The NBA
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2024
- Jayson Tatum Deserve MORE RESPECT From The NBA according to Gilbert Arenas as he & The Gil's Arena Crew discuss Tatum's performance in the NBA Playoffs and explain why the Boston Celtics' superstar is called over hyped by the NBA media because he has found playoff success so early in his career.
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Warrior's fan here, there's just a culture of hating on this Celtics squad. They had a deep run early on and the bar has been set high ever since. Players like Joker and Luka came up short many times before Joker got a ring last year, and you did not see even remotely close to the same level of criticisms. Luka could run someone over with a car and people would celebrate it. Meanwhile Tatum just out here playing ball and people hate him.
Like how ppl use to hate on Stef back in the day. It’s the same thing just a new era
Brown runs Boston he is the best
Tbh Jaylen brown don’t get the respect he deserves. And I stand on that !!!
this is a fact!
True facts
DUDE HAS NO LEFT HAND!!!
Actually he should share the blame with Tatum
Highest paid contract today I think? That's respectful
Yoo Rashard has been way more on point since taking off the silly ass crown 🤣😂
😂😂 threw me all the way off
Bro I was literally coming to say that same thing lol I’m like damn bro making sense now 😂
No he o my makes sense when he not talking lebron lmao.
@@chizchism84 😂🤣 Copy so we not bugging
His crown is silly but you call yourself WolfKing. Make it make sense.
Tatum has been winning at a high level for so long that we expect it. There's never been this time to develop only expectations to win after his rookie season and he's done that. 4 conference title appearances and 1 finals appearance in his first 7 seasons makes him a certified superstar. I get Brandon's point though Ant and wolves look like it's when not if.
Like It Makes No Sense The Hate He Gets Yet Mfs Praise Ant Who’s In Year 4 For Winning His First Damn Series Like Mfs Really Sound Crazy
The Celtics have been winning at a high level, it's a team sport.
Not only that he was the leader of all of those teams too except for the past few where its been him and jb tag teaming
Brown been winning with him too and numbers don’t lie they are very similar in the playoffs and you could argue brown is better in the playoffs
@@TheOnlyDTM what leader? When?
He already is elite...he just gets held to a different standard because he's had success from the jump. He just need a chip to really put him over the top
have you watched the playoffs? He had some STINKERS
@@user-gc1wj8tt2pHasn’t he also had big time moments and didn’t he drop 50 in a Game 7 last year ?
@@user-gc1wj8tt2pSo? Lebron had a horrible first finals showing. Kobe had some god awful playoff performances, Steph wasn’t even the best player for GSW in his first finals win. Why when it comes to Tatum, is there this expectation that every single playoff game has to be brilliant? Not a single other player gets this treatment. Ant is being crowned as the next best player and hasn’t even made a conference finals yet. Why? Because he’s posted a couple of 40 point games? They beat a 7th seed with two old sand injured “stars” please… The attack on Tatum has been so ridiculous and illogical
He needs a chip so everybody can stfu about him finally.
@@mikehunt40 Still won't be enough for the haters, he's only hated cause he's in Boston.
To think the Heatles possibly could have won 6-8 chips if pat just let Lebron eat his damn cookies on the plane 😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s wild
Last episode yall said he wasn’t a mvp candidate. Looks like yall need to respect him more
Tatum’s problem IMO is his shots are his shots. Meaning he shoots really hard shots every game. Some games they go in some they don’t. Think Carmelo Anthony when he lost his ability to bully people. Tatum just needs a go to move that he can make whenever he wants.
Never looked at it that way. I think you’re correct. And then if he could combine the two.
He has the sidestep 3 and a post fade both go to signature moves he’s hit in big time situations
Tatum is very efficient though lol
@@thejamboy3556 the post fade yes. That side step 3 he’s so hit and miss with tht…. But I feel you
@@EdCran not this postseason
Its topics like these that make ppl realize the media just says anything for topics most times. 😂
I didn't like JT for a while because he's a celtic, but the dude be ballin and I can't deny that.
JT is in that weird superstar space that PG13 is in. He can do everything so well & make it look so casual that people take it for granted. It's expected.
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No lol
Tatum Is a top 5 player and the best player on a championship team pg is nowhere near that
Its crazy now to think that Philly swapped picks with Boston so they could draft Markelle Fultz and let Jayson Tatum fall to the Celtics. They dont get criticized enough for that. Embiid and Tatum wouldve been epic.
markelle before the injury was in college was better than tatum if markelle never got injured he probaly wouldve been a star rn
They did that because the Celtics knew sixers wanted fultz. He was the most hyped prospect. I was kinda surprised they took Tatum but that’s who they wanted from the jump. If they knew sixers like Tatum I know Celtics would have kept pick and drafted him 1
The Celtics only did that because they knew the sixers wanted Fultz Celtics weren’t trading that pick if they don’t get Jayson Tatum
Wat are you smoking tatum was winning tournament games the celts knew@belamarr1612
@@ThePh4ntomHammer if Tatum was that good he wouldn’t have went 3rd markelle was more efficient than him and scored more and took more shots and could attack the rim and was a big guard with a + handle while playing for a major program averaging 23 and almost a block a game as a PG which showed his defensive upside .easily one of the most skilled guards in college in years. He didn’t go #1 for bothing
The people that are saying that Sga, Brunson, and Edwards are better than him are crazy. And yes,he is a top 5 player right now. I'd even put him above Luka.
I love when conversation makes sense no arguing and everyone knows what they’re talking about no bs just straight convo
Gilbert is the ultimate prisoner of the moment flip flop on everything to today flavor
You think he’s worse than Perk? Lol
Tatum and the Celtics will NEVER get the respect others get, they’re literally one of the most hated franchises in any sport all time and majority of players that play there will face that same hatred. Saying that tho Tatum has been quiet in the playoffs and hasn’t done anything that needed to be talked about so🤷🏽♂️ last night was his first complete game
They have a great team yet always choke. They would have won the whole thing by now with a handful of other stars who ain’t scared as they’re top guy. Replace Tatum with say Luka, where would they be?
@@VeganIcedTea-yh5jh you proving my point🤣🤣 Tatum and JB are just now coming into their primes. Y’all push that they should have beat a prime LBJ, y’all ignore that JB/Smart/Brogdon/Williams/Tatum all dealt with injuries and everyone beside Tatum missed a lot of time. Y’all ignore them having to grow into players and act like they should have been winning their whole 7 yr career🤦🏽♂️😂😂
This how simple y’all think, you really think switching Luka for Tatum would result in rings but in reality Celtics get much worse defensively, immediately go from team ball to Luka ball, and players like JB/Smart/White/Grant W/ Rob Will never develop into the players they became. Y’all have to realize scoring isn’t all that matters in this sport
@@334ben10are you kidding me? Stop being a homer bruh. So you are saying that injecting a offensive all timer into an all time stacked and balanced lineup filled with offensive weapons/sharpshooters/dpoy’s and candidates, you are telling me they will not be better than with a all time inconsistent soft leader. Nah miss me with all that.
Heat game 1 was his first complete game.
Hes also just… not as good as the top tier guys in the league. He still hasnt figured out how to close a game and hes been playing big games since he was 19. Ime was about to unlock him and now i fear this 7-10 range is his plateau
Chopped the Jimmy Joel tree for Tobias Harris 😭🤣
Great take from Rashad!!!!!
Facts
One thing people always leave out is that for the first 5 season of Tatum's career he had between $30 and $60 million dollars worth of cap space injured on the bench every single playoff run. The only one he didn't have major injuries and he was forced to be not the #1 his second year, they were knocked out ugly in the second round with Kyrie and Hayward at the helm. Between Hayward, Kyrie, Kemba, and even Jaylen Brown once missed entire playoffs (though he only decided to get wrist surgery because the team was .500 that season, he could've put it off but it wasn't worth missing the start of the following season for a really mid season).
Tatum has been available and playing in every single playoff game the Celtics have been in since he joined the team. Availability is the best ability. He's missed more games in his career from covid and resting the final reg season game before the playoffs than from injury.
Tatum's first NBA game Hayward snapped his leg 5 minutes into the first season and he had to pick up LeBron so game because of it and still put up like 19pts 10reb.
I understand the criticisms of Tatum's game, he's not perfect by any means, but he's damn good on both sides of the ball and he plays every single game for his team. His defense is often overlooked but he's one of the hardest PF to score on in the league, a vital defensive position.
We’re lowkey comparing him to Magic, Bird, Bron(07 finals), Kobe, Duncan, and Durant. All those superstars made the finals and except for Bron and Durant won those chips under the age of 25. And as a Celtics fan I don’t see him as potientally being a top 15 player all time. I think he can be Paul Pierce/pippen. Def a top 50 guy when it’s all said and done. I think we need to be more objective when it comes to the career of Tatum. It is hard for young success. It’s not normal.
As a mavs fans living in bflo ny
I don't think I bring any biases here
I don't dislike the Celtics or anything
But there's something about tatums game. Idk what it is in particular, maybe it's the clutch thing. one time doesn't constitute consistency. I know he's really good but when it matters I've nvr seen him turn it up to that nxt lvl
Wheres that signature moment?
The game 7 blowout........cmon man
I'm talking mj over russell
Brons block
Clutch moments that define how great u r in tight games of meaning
Hes careless with the ball not very good defensively jacks up alot of shots
He's definitely versatile and like I said I know he's good but.........
There's just something about him and his game
50 in a game 7 against philly , game 6 agasint the bucks? @@slappydoodle
@spinalwolf0981 the 50 game was a total blowout
Those aren't 50 points ina tight game
And the game 6......I said already but
1 time doesn't constitute consistency
His finals #'s matter? No cuz it's doesn't help the issue right
That's what I mean where r those moments
I think I'll b proven right again this yr
They aren't winning anything this yr and, if they don't boy whata statement
Injured and weakened east they at the very least have to make the finals
@@slappydoodlewtf r u talking about he dropped 51 in a game 7.. 46 in a must win game 6 against Milwaukee lol
@slappydoodle I must agree, his game doesn't excite me and I think it is bcuz of the clutch. Shoot Donavan Mitchell impresses me more. Him, Brunson, Ant, are built for the moment
Where is the full episode of this?
The disrespect for Tatum has been crazy. If he doesn't score 30 the narrative is that he's playing bad. Even though he has great play making for his team and plays great defense while still putting up something like 23/12/5. The volume isn't there like it once was. He's probably only averaging like 15-16 shots a game. You have guys like Brunson shooting 30+ times consistently putting up 40 points because his team needs that from him. The Celtics don't need Tatum to do that.
As a C's fan, I see Tatum as an A-student in life and always wants to meet or exceed expectations at every level. And he's a humble, excellent human being. With the rosters we've had, he has met or exceeded expectations in terms of team results and he's been humble and excellent in terms of dealing with both the success and failure throughout. This is the best roster he's ever had to work with and he's the best all around player he's ever been. All the haters will move on to another stupid subject once he wins.
Damn, the Arena is all in agreeance for once. You love to see it
Tatum's problem is he's judged to his ceiling which is really high. he's had all kinds of success and highs in his playoff career. 50+ point games, game 7 tecords, 25 games of 30+ most likely the most playoff points before 27 etc etc.
Hes also not a hyper aggressive guy vocally. We gotta stop expecting him to play to his ceiling and understand hes gonna have highs and lows like everyone
Where did McCant get that shirt? Like YO😮😂
No trolling Rashad today beautiful convo 🤣🔥
Tatum the Goat Btw 🍀
They all were actually making sense this episode.
Do you see any special segment from Perkins, Stephen A, and the rest of ESPN after that Celtics win? Nah, you won't. Because ESPN only makes content about Boston when they lose. But they love to hype players with no playoff resume 🤷♂️
Dwade took a team in year 3 to the promise land
With a little past prime Shaq.
Yea he showed out he skyrocketed his career
Not to mention he took his team to the second rd his first yr conference finals 2nd yr 3rd yr champion. If he doesn’t get hurt they go back to back
@@certifiedchaos4643 nah bulls had too much pride that’s why they swept the heat comin off that chip in the first round.
He had vets though.
dont step over the circumstances.
Rashad been smoove with the takes lately
The best Rashad take ever
Not goin lie the way Gil broke it down it does make it seem like Tatum is a OG but he’s only 26, your own success could be your biggest disappointment
It Makes Zero Sense Why Mfs Hate Him So Much
Great take about the tree Gill💪🏾
I’m from the Lou and a friend of mine had to play Tatum in High School and it was always just 1v5
The problem with Jason Tatum is that he hasn't had too many games where he let his team to victory in a dominant way. Yes all around he's a probably a top five talent. But when the game is on the line how many time do the team come up short. Legends are built during that time..
Gil look fucking crazy in the thumbnail 😂😂😂😂😂
Tatum is an s tier player and an s tier person. Bro plays basketball and goes home and focuses on his son. Doesnt have drama or anything, get he gets the most hate around.
Some really great points here. Tatum gets shade for no reason. Just entering his prime, all that young experience is coming to fruition 🍇 Like a fine wine 🍷
End of Last Season!!! Leonard Returns!!!
Amazing, Leonard and Russ Brook. Running Lays ups and running field shots. As a Duo. 2 Guy Tag Team. Super Star Work!!
FYI this episode probably came out tuesday or wednesday that game was saturday. js
Y’all not even mentioning JB been to 5 ECF. These boys go out and just win every year, it’s their time for the chip
Because Boston have been one of the favorites for 4 years, tatum won get much respect until he wins a ring.
Boston has won one ring since the 80's. 2008 with KG and theTruth and Ray Allen.
Man jimmy butler got more finals appearances than giannus & Tatum & their team was stacked lol stop the excuses
@@jerrodgarland2604 and giannis has a ring lol
Its fucking weird that only one team can win a ring per year, yet everyone thinks the teams that didn't win a ring must have sucked ass or disappointed.
Boston hasnt been the favorite until this year.
I could’ve sworn Jaylen Brown drop 32 recently and y’all said nothing about it 💯
they never do.. he always guards the best player and scores just as much as Tatum but Tatum get all the credit as usual 😂😂😂😂
not to mention he’s the one who showed up in the finals
@@Guap_4Lbrown showed up in the finals? 🤣 no he didn’t he only showed up in game 6 , he played just as bad as Tatum if not worse the first 5 games of the finals
@@revampmusic56 he ain’t play flawless but he damn sure didn’t lay a egg like tatum shot better from the field and ft line by a WIDE margin on a few less shots
@@Guap_4L he laid a egg in game 5 … we talk about tatums game 6 but game 5 was just as important and Tatum showed up in game 5 … brown did not , you have to remember just how bad they both were , but bc Tatum is the better player , he got more criticism lol
@@Guap_4L game 6 saved browns %s
This man was drafted to one of the best teams in the league and couldn’t win a chip before Giannis and Jokic. He crumbles when he is needed the most. He his not elite.
Kyrie & Hayward got hurt his rookie year, so what you're saying is missing context.
@@cjaimez5895 my guy it’s been multiple years. His team has been to the conference finals multiple times and came short multiple times. It’s. It just about Kyrie and Hayward
@@kballer151 so you do you think Embid, Luka, Ant, SGA, Gianni's Joker, LeBron, Jordan, Harden etc are elite? Because none of them had/have a chip by 26 and most of them had deep playoff runs prior aside from the young guys. (SGA & Ant)
@@cjaimez5895 I think SGA, Harden and Embiid are all jokes cause they flop like fishes. I know JT has the ability to be elite but he plays like a scared little dog. If he had a little of Ant’s mentality he could be one of the best players in the league right now
@@kballer151 I definitely agree that he needs tap into the "Mamba" energy more, it just seems like people forget those moments he has. He dropped 50 in game 7 against Philly last year & was balling out the 3 games they won against the Heat before he twisted his ankle in GM 7. I'm with people who say he needs to be more consistent though.
When.... Soo broken into offensive.... Need a Primary Defender. To back up 2 spots on defense to watch over!! Crazy
I actually liked them better with Marcus Smart
Nah rashad was sayin nun but str8 facts this vid bro had me 🔒 in to da vid
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Funny people treat Tatum like he was a first overall pick… let’s not forget 2 teams passed on Tatum and the team was lead by short, veteran, injury prone point guards, until 2-3 years ago.
Consistency gets my respect.
Man had 1 good game and now he need respect on his name 😅
Stop watching the back of your TV
Loll this was actually recorded days ago but carry on
They are talking about what he did for the 6 yes he's been in the league. It's undeniable that tatum has had a very very rare run his first 6 years...he's been so succesful..except the chip...that people act like he's in his 30s instead of barely past 25.
@@MichaelBurnham-er5cxstop saying TATUM anyway say BOSTON he’s a top 10 player but let’s stop acting like he didn’t get drafted to a 1 seed he can have 10 points in back to back games and they still win by 30 other stars can’t do that 😂😂
they said this before that game
Pippen and Jordan. 2 Sniper Shooters!!!
And a Hungry Rodman at 20+ ReB
Damn bro I couldn’t do another finals lost we need to win this year but I understand if joker and the nuggets repeat.
This the first time Rashad actually had some good takes
Best two way player in the league, Hands down
The main reason people don’t like Tatum and Booker is because the NBA media machine has crammed those guys down our throats for 4 years now. The NBA was hoping a praying one of those guys would blossom into the face of the league
Shit rigggedd🤣
Somehow Gil found a way to cape for Bron 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣
Sooo when Luka get numbers like these "NO" credit? But when Solar Eclipse Tatum do it 1 game yall find it for this clown smh!
Luka puts up empty stats and doesn't impact winning
Kyrie has been the Mavs most valuable player by far these playoffs
Gill is right. The young OKC and TMac and Vince omg
Spoke nothing but facts. Everything was on point .
You’re one of the ones leading the hate charge vs that man. Don’t shift now. You stay in your lane. Don’t get scared now that you’re about to look alarmingly stupid. Keep that energy towards Tatum & the Celtics Agent Bum.
Oh shit look at McCants making some sense 😂
JT deserves the respect 6 years 4 finals he in a good place
Not to mention losing your coach who took you to finals
Let's keep a 💯. Tatum gets hated on for the individual awards because they look at him as having the help of another superstar in Jaylen Brown. The early success and not winning to the Finals is BS. If you want to be technical about it Brown has one more Eastern Conference appearance than Tatum. So the fact that he plays for the Celtics and people hate that him and Brown are on the same team, he's always gone get slighted
That’s wassup 🍀🍀🍀🍀
Davis, Embiid, Tatum, Long Lanky Arms.... Jello arms to help swiing the dribble away from the shorter humans.
B And double team they ran thru!!
#7 BRown!!!! Soo Artzy. Artist Skills
Tatum is already and has been elite. And if you disagree with that you're just factually wrong.
Great craic
In a hyper critical sports environment his home town media really doesn't push him like other larger markets push their stars. Ring or you suck is the wierd new place we are in.
Tatum has played on a high-seeded team 5 times in his career, and he's made the finals once. And Brandon Jennings and Rashad and others say he's an elite player. Expectation should be one or more rings. Unless, he's not elite, which he actually isn't.
@@penkima4923 rings don’t define how elite a player is
@@SeddyPooh Rings shouldn't define too much how elite a player is, but they do.
Stats should define more than rings, how elite a player is. And Tatum isn't putting up elite numbers.
And Tatum is regularly being outperformed by his teammates.
The eye-test is subjective. To me, Tatum's game relies too much on his 3-pointers. And his form looks clunky.
Magic entered a team which had proven winning veterans - Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, Green - hall of famers who had been playing together for years. Tatum joined a Celtic team that wasnt even stable in its basic team chemistry requorements and players that wont make hall of fame except perhaps Irving.
Jaylen Brown got the same amount of playoff wins lol I hate when we keep talking about players like there isn’t a whole team behind them😂
Imagine if the Lakers drafted Tatum & Brown or if Philly had Tatum to lead with Embiid. Fire every one of these executives
Absolutely!! But he is the one with the most strongest team since the start. Now he is overshadow by Ant.
Ant has won ONLY one playoff series in his 4 years career. Tatum led his team to game 7 ECF against LBJ in his rookie season! No comparison here.
luka bout to kill them boys in green
If y'all gon praise Tatum and give him all this credit for stats and wins, then you have to do the same when they lose.
First let’s get the narrative correct. They mentioned he had the most playoff wins for someone his age, then Rashad said he built the Celtics up. Boston drafted Tatum as a lottery pick not because their team was bad but because they got Brooklyns draft pick. Boston was a consistent playoff team before Tatum got there.
I'm not super high on Tatum as most in the media are, his reg season numbers aren't crazy, to me he's a clear All NBA 2nd and 3rd team guys, but plays like a 1st team type guy come playoffs. I think that is his biggest trait.
Yeeah!!!! When... Anunby at Left Shoot guard. And Scottie Barnes Running around the Paiint !! As #3!!! Wow!! Important!! Skiller #2!! And Defensive Runner #3!! Blocks and steals. And moving to guard more bodies. And blocks. And shoot outside of the paint. And run into moving bodies, created space
As a Saint Louisan It's funny watching Jayson over achieve more than the crowd his age. Anybody in STL who watched NBA or college basketball, who played high school and college basketball around the city knew this dude was gonna be TOP 3 SFs in the league one day. This man has done that within his first 3 years. Crazy
Yeeeah!!!!! Domination!!!!! Giannis!!!! Ziion!!!! #13 Adebayo!!!!
Rashard preaching the Lord's word🍀
Giving an individual credit for team accomplishments is gross AF
Nah y’all only acknowledge when he plays well and ignore when he sucks
And he sucks at the wrong time.. the playoffs
It’s the other way around
@@jauwannr yup. people will look at the box score and be like "hE hAd 30 He NeEdS HeLp" but ignore the fact that zero of that 30 came in the 4th quarty or in the final 5 minutes or at any point when needed most. Then turn around and mention kobe for the 5000th time and self suck himself
@@jauwannr Tatum has played 18 playoff series, and sucked in 2 of those. One of them happened to be at 23 year old versus the Warriors in the finals. It's not a good look, but I don't hold it that much against Tatum.
@@jayklay5709exactly!!! They wait for him to have bad games and ignore him when he’s cooking the league like he did during regular season!
End of Last Season.... Lakers Shutdown Denver's 3 Shooters!!! #27, #5, #1 ...... Then... SLow Gordon.... Ez Lob Dunks.... Damns... Dumbfounded...
I Cheered Davis!! On shutting down the 2nd n 3rd shooters!! Higher stats!! We did it! Beat Denver!!
Y’all not putting brown in this conversation. He has done the same thing what JT and Antman doing. JT and JB similar to MJ and Pippin. This it’s their year to shine & put everything to rest. Say less keep it moving.Let’s Go Celtics.
does he tho? i understand the changes of coaches mightve hindered his play as hes more of a team player, but when u tell ppl ur fav player is kobe, but act nothing like him but maybe when hes doing a fadeaway is just discouraging. hes not taking over the celtics like he should be.
Why doesn’t Embiid get this massive criticism
Denver just tied up 2-2 Jokic could be next team in Boston way. Tatum is also loaded too, brown, holiday. Port, all stars
Honestly i feel like the heat were the celtics ass wooping and now they ain't playing down to their opponents anymore
Jayson is a monster
We saw.... Few Wolves Guys.... Missed shots... Outside the paint.... Damns ....
Denver only learning. Wow Great defense pressure from Wolves. Moves the jello Denver
Bron took a bunch of role players to the finals at age 22. Role players not complete scrubs but they were all avg
JT had success with guys around his age. No vet that came in to help or guide.
Magic, Bird, & Duncan had early success because of talented vets
If ant man gets rid of the champs they just did the boston Celtics a huge favor matchup favors up to end a beautiful season
Bro what is Brandon Jennings beef with Boston? 😂😂😂
heh hasnt won shit, ppl been talking about how good how he is, how good the teams are etc, however... hes not even in the mvp talks, hes not in the best player in the league talks... hes over rated if anything...
He is in the MVP-talks, undeservedly. Because there's people who can't read stats, and just pick the highest scorer of the team with the best record.
Bro your so mad at JT lmaooo you look so dumb and don't know wtf you talking about lololol clearly not to bright 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They’re gonna gloss over Kareem winning League MVP during Magic’s rookie year. They’re making it seem like Magic was the man as soon as he got there. And that finals mvp came after Kareem averaged 32/12/4 blocks in playoffs and finals thru 5 games.
The moment you let the Celtics win the league is fucked for at least 2 to 3 more titles.