This Hero FINALLY Got A Rework! (Bloons TD 6)
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- This Hero FINALLY Got A Rework! BTD6 / Bloons TD 6 - Corvus is good, but does his playstyle make him too unattractive to most players? This little rework in version 42 fixes some of those issues.
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It's crazy that he took the game by storm, but practically everybody stopped using him almost instantly (if they ever tried him at all)
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I still use him for the global range and such. You don't have to micro him constantly for him to be helpful
I tried him only three times since he was out I hope he’s better
@3days_left yeah, that's fair. Personally, though, I would just use Psy if I want full-map range. Camo and lead without microing spells, a stun, good late game
I always use corvus,hes that broken
What has always annoyed me about BTD6 is how much the upgrade UI covers the screen. I don't really mind micromanaging Corvus, but I hate keeping his spell book up on my screen because it takes up so much space.
Honestly, the main thing they should do with him firstly before reworking, is make the book a square page that you can put wherever you want on the screen (like an app window), and maybe resize too. That way you could use spells whenever you want without the annoyance of having to click on the hero every time while covering half screen. And also you would be able to place the spellbook window wherever it's the least obtrusive.
I said this like a year ago in a comment.. why can't they just have a ui overlay that stays up all the time for these kind of heroes (corvus and geraldo). The main reason I hate using micro towers/heroes is due to this extremely bad way its currently implemented. The pain of clicking the hero, then click their spellbook, and then get half of the screen blocked is amazing for me that ninjakiwi haven't done any improvements to.
@@DMalek yeah. At least with Geraldo, he is a bit more "passive" (since most of the things you buy last long), so I can see it not being as much of a problem with him, but Corvus is way more active. They should really add that sort of box, because no rework is going to fix that issue.
Hey, maybe you don't know this, but you can solve that problem with a trick. If you click on a monkey on the right side of the map, the upgrades will show up on the left and vise-versa. But if you click on a monkey on the right and THEN click on another tower (Corvus for example) the upgrade menu will not change positions (Just need Corvus to not be to far left or right because then you can't click him).
they gotta make the background transparent or have a slider for the transparency of it its honestly kind of shocking they havent done that yet. idk if youve ever played mobile but its like 100x worse than pc lmao
Well I do have to say even if Corvus is extremely broken, last time I properly used him was spending 5 hours on a least tiers run for a top 1 and optimizing the hell out of the nourishments and recoveries. Most of the time I’m not bothered to spend that much effort on just a regular game because there’s no reason to when more chill heroes like Geraldo exist.
That's how I feel about him. You can do truly ridiculous things with him, but it's just not worth the effort.
I main Corvus but I am not neurotic about maximizing every amount of value out of him. I do use spells lots but I have no expectation of perfection and it's quite fun
naah what are u doing here we need pvz content
@@xaaft Can a person not have hobbies outside the content they make
Oh, its the cool guy with even cooler opinions
My issue with corvus isn't high micro requirement nor "high" skill min but rather the fact that playing him optimally literally just entails brainless nourishment spam to get corvus 20 to delete the 90s.
You do realize you can use Corvus without soloing the game with him, right?
Might as well use another hero in that case. Also I'm pretty sure he can't even do that anymore
@@tpfoxCastrobut to use him how he’s intended to be used that’s what u have to do. If u don’t do that why use Corvus? Jus use psi
@@sunbleachedangel The commenter is talking about Corvus before the change. But yeah, if you don't like Corvus' gameplay just use another hero, don't ruin the only high skill cap hero made for micro lovers just because casuals want another "sit and relax" one.
@@tpfoxCastro To your first comment, I'm talking about superplay, which I and the entirety of index do for fun in this game. Corvus is meant to appeal to players such as index, but remains fairly unsuccessful in doing as such.
To your second comment - false, I'm talking about the current update. The rework did precisely fuck all to fix the issue, and instead made it even worse by making it 2 buttons to press on loop instead of 3. I love micro in this game, but even half the top index players aren't exactly willing to mindlessly press just 2 buttons on loop for the first 90% of the game. Corvus's main issue has nothing to do with "high skill requirement" or "heavy micro", as every high skill player enjoys both. Rather, the existence of nourishment means that any actual cool and clever use of corvus is just ignored because you're trying to do a hard index challenge.
Corvus's skill min isn't that high, and his skill cap is actually lower than a lot of other heroes. I want a higher skill cap, not a lower one. Corvus should not be as easy to solve as nim.
6:59 Sauda, you drop her down and she starts slicing and dicing...on and of the map" 🤨
i was like AYOOOO?
I was looking for this comment LOL
sounds like ISAB has a traditional wife who's often in the kitchen. -Don't mind her age-
Based off the thumbnail I’m gonna guess it’s Sauda
Everything comes to sauda
Nah I'm thinking Churchill probably
Quincy fs fs
@@Daylon_Ti bet isab comes to sauda too
@@Daylon_Tto or in ?
Ain’t no way this guy already got reworked after like a month
It's apparently been about 5. I refuse to believe it's been that long, but it's apparently true 😭
6*
Feels like a month
@@Yung_YacobOGthat is true, i saw a 1tc of him when he first came out, and it feels like it was a month or two ago and it was over 5
I wouldnt really call this a "rework". These are minor changes. He still works exactly the same
the thing with Corvus is like you said he just demands so much more attention from the player to actually be good, most heroes the appeal is you can just drop them and ignore them for the rest of the game since they auto level, and Geraldo’s items are usually just used when they’re needed to support another tower, whereas Corvus basically requires you to have his spellbook open for most of the game for him to be worth using, even if he’s broken when you do put in that effort
But that's the whole point. Casuals players already have all heroes for them, let micro lovers have ONE! Like, not every hero has to be nor should be just place it and do nothing. A hero that requires constant attention like Corvus is nice and we shouldn't steal his uniqueness by making it simpler to use.
@@tpfoxCastro yeah! i’m not saying he should be changed, i’m just elaborating/restating more specifically why he’s so unpopular
@@MeboDotExe also, the reason he is so much more unpopular in a game like this is because tower defense games lend themselves to high strategy low micromanagement as the towers do most of the actual gameplay. Goes against many of the reasons people pick up BTD six in the first place
@@tpfoxCastro
I don't know why you talk like we want him to me removed. The guy was just explaning why he is so unpopular. And common, micro management in a Tower Defense game will always be unpopular.
Also Psy is better, there i said it
I found him kind of fun to use, but you have to focus so much on him while playing. Having to constantly nourish to get the most out of the hero is the major problem to me. If they removed nourishment from his kit, and they just increased his leveling slightly. I think the character would be much more tolerable to play with. Because then you could just use the spells when you needed rather than constantly having to micromanage him.
honestly yeah the spell micro isn't really the issue, it is the nourish micro
what would they even replace nourishment with though? maybe a spawnable turret spirit?
@@unfunnyguy1530 I don’t think they need to replace anything TBH just remove it and fix leveling curve.
@@unfunnyguy1530A weaker overclock?
Just make it autocast on a toggle??
Getting Overclock before getting jungle drums is amazing xD
6:59 care to explain ISAB how sauda is slicing off the map
Man I toiled over this map, 56k leftover is just corvus things
I always found Corvus interesting but intimidating, so a rework is definitely welcome to streamline things!
In my opinion, the problem that I experience playing with corvus (even though I use him alot if there's no restriction) is that his spell slot is obstructing the view too much (I'm a mobile player). Also to be fair, not everything has to be "casual-friendly". A QoL changes is welcomed, but I don't think he should be too easy lol. I'm not really good at the game by any means, (I'm not good enough at the game to do harder maps, or play against elite bosses) but I enjoy playing Corvus since I enjoy playing with alot of option. Ofc this is just my opinion
Corvus should increase his passive generation with higher levels
I think the worst part about corvus is the fact hes so situation dependent, but his ui can make it hard to see all the bloons. If it was a little less intrusive then it would be easier to make proper use of him.
Gotta love how "skill" means micromanagement instead of strategy or planning, epic
Yeah, God forbid it means the thing you need to train instead of something that can be gotten from RUclips videos.
I always liked using Corvus even when people thought he was hard, but it’s nice more people will play him
Finally, as the only corvus user, I feel happy
Corvus and geraldo require alot of micro and opening of different tabs and i like btd6 on mobile so heavy micro towers are annoying to use. I wish there was a way NK could make it easier. Like being able to have corvus book or geraldos shop open all the time in a tiny square in the corner or something.
I feel like it's a good thing that heroes play differently, I hope geraldo stays geraldo with a focus on his shop & corvus stays corvus with a focus on his spells. There's no need for heroes to be identical because you can simply choose what hero you want to play
I feel like geraldo just does what corvus does but better
Like in terms of micro
It’s literally 12:01 am where I’m at rn, still had to tune in to watch the vid tho whenever it drops ofc.
Wya? Here in Brazil is just one hour later
@@lele-9063 Florida
It's crazy game design that Corvus has like ten abilities that are just "deal more damage". Just a complete noob trap that requires you to just know the arbitrary correct one.
That is just not true though, spear, storm, echo and aggression are the only abilities that directly improve his damage, malice and big hands have a tradeoff for their damage, while both overload and trample are burst damage that temporarily removes the spirit (Trample does basically nothing after the spirit charges past the bloons you want to pop until it gets to the entrance)
It's situational tho. Fire is better against slower targets, dividing is supposed to be comboed with the other spells. Rage is very cheap and doesn't do much alone, but better than nothing, good when mixed with other spells. Storm is supposed to be used against moabs thanks to their high hit-box. Spear is a "get ou of jail free card", should only use it when you are in danger because if you use it while you are not you're not going to have it for when you need it, better on large groups of Bloons. Big hands depend on Corvus' range and it mainly used on BADs, and Fortified MOABs and DDTs (regular DDTs too). Explosion is just Majin Vegeta, if it didn't kill the whole map, that's an oopsie.
@@10503.Also, all of those have different porpuses. Aggression is the cheapest, echo is really good on comboing with other spells, doubling the value of almost all of them, spear is bad single target and storm and fire is better against moabs(larger hit-box and slower speed)
And so, one of the Monkey City’s greatest warriors has vanished in a blinding flash of ethereal energy, having made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the grouped BFBs.
His name was Corvus, the proud Spirit Walker.
@@brawlstar1748 ''If the moabs were grouped together, I might have a little trouble.''
''But would you lose?''
''Nah, I'd win.''
The real rework we need for Corvus is double tap/click to cast and dismiss spells
You can drag spells anywhere on the playing field to quick cast
@@OVERCLOCKexe yeah, and the real rework we need for Corvus is double tap/click to cast and dismiss spells
You can use hotkeys
@@RohanSAMobile players:
I got Corvus yesterday, not bad actually, getting to combo spells is fun but I couldn’t manage to get even 100 mana in later rounds
What. But, the more Bloons, the easier it is to get mana. I didn't even know you can have such low amount of mana in the high rounds. What are you doing?
worth mentioning corvus’ level 19 would’ve buffed apache a decent amount since the haunt effects all energy and plasma damage
I'm not that great at the game, but I think Corvus is pretty fun. Makes you think differently, and like you said, he helps you save up a lot early on. I still usually go for Sauda, Benjamin, or Etienne, but I'll switch to Corvus if I feel like changing things up a bit.
Corvus is conceptually really cool but I don't want to think about 16 whole spells while playing btd. They could have just given him like 4 different spells each with a specific purpose and maybe made him more of a support/buff hero.
I think I'll only feel comfortable playing Corvus if he gets scaling max mana, so that I can bank 2000 mana in the lategame without losing out. Gaining less mana if you already have some just makes the possible skill range even wider, though I think I'm fine with both
I enjoy him because he is different. My only complaint is his vision spell. You can't use it back to back when alot camos are out due it having a small cast time and a slow cool down. I almost always have to village him in order to deal with camo. Vision either needs no cool down but with a slightly higher cost in mana, or they need to reduce the cool down. The spell is not as reliable as it should be.
I just noticed that the heli pad rotated when the gear spun. Weird thing is, the vilages didnt.
“Sauda drop her down, shes slicing and dicing on and off map”
I think the 1 mana per s should be 2 at like lv10
I see no reason to take the option away from good players to micro as long as other players have other options, which they already do. Corvus is already good without 100% peak effeciency, and there are many other basic heroes for players who want them.
This rework is definitely a step in the right direction. Honestly my issue with Corvus has been how clunky it feels to use his abilities. I had the same issue with Geraldo, but with Geraldo, at least you generally use abilities rarely. With Corvus, though, that huge UI element and selection are up most of the time. One of the easiest fixes to that in my book would be to just have the abilities appear in the bottom row as they unlock. That would make him a bit more reliant on the player developing a firm memory of what each ability does, but they would be much less clunky to use. If UI space would be an issue, they could be part of their own little dropdown menu.
While I don't particularly use Corvus, I don't know why ninja kiwi is lowering the skill ceiling for it. Sure, some people don't like to micro, but others do. I do understand bringing the overall power level down, but no reason to lessen micro for those who want to do it.
We have a lot of "drop and forget" heroes already, so there's no need to dumb down a hero for this reason.
You act like they completely changed him
@@sirbar715 because yes. We cant use the combo of nourish and repel now.
Would it be a bad idea to have an option to make Corvus automatic?
The same way we can choose targetting, we could be able to choose between manually casting spells and automatically casting them, when you use the automatic mode you get to choose 3 spells for when bloons are at 25% 50% and 75% (like the commanche).
Of course automatic mode would be miles worse than manual, but for beginners and/or people that don’t want to macro it would make him more usable, while not taking anything away from people that enjoy him like he is now
I just tried out Corvus in a co-op and... that was microhell. Never playing Corvus again
Although the overall lower mana pool during late game just makes it harder to use by the chill players because people mostly just spam what spell they think is good instead of planning.
They really should knock him down to the next lowest XP tier because getting level 20 before round 100 pretty much requires energizer or 20-50k to buy remaining levels. The power jump at 20 is massive and missing out on it makes more casual usage not worth it.
my problem with corvus is that he's playing his own game. You dont need any other towers or strategy you just open up HIS monkey menu and remember 24 spells.
I always liked Corvus, plop him down in the early game and save up money. I feel Corvus only needs to be micromanaged in the late game but by then I already have a strong defense anyways. A great stepping stone hero indeed.
I played tons of bloons through middle school - high school. Picked up TD6 a month or so back & was checking out the heroes when someone mention Corvus was probably the strongest, but requires a decent understanding. I haven't unlocked him myself, gonna stick with Geraldo & Psi for now 😁
I still used Corvus a ton before this change, it'll be interesting to see how he is now, I'm hoping they haven't nerfed him tho
You can basically already just use spear forever as long as you keep him close enough to use his skills. But that means you still need to spam his non-spellbook skills.
I don’t like how recovery doesn’t affect nourishment now. It feels like it takes away freedom by not allowing us to use it. There was no harm in keeping it in the game.
yeah honestly I feel like they ruin the hero. Corvus is my favorite hero but the change made me stop using him
Love the vid just waiting for my power to come back on hope yall have a good day
I never tried corvs cause I wasnt tryna do all that
Corvus's nourishment should work like his spear attack where it goes down in mana passively
Yeah but how quick, real easy to get mama
I play a lot on mobile and Corvus is just too much on a little screen 😂
isab upload schedule goes crazy
6:50 I definitely prefer more set-and-forget heroes, especially those that lean into certain strategies, like getting brittle, glue storm, and stronger stim with sauda to capitalize on her level 11 while giving her most of the game’s damage increasers, though recently geraldo has begun to grow on me
Basically if i encounter something so hard i cant do it with a normal strat, i bust out corvus for the free saveup
Corvus is extremely powerful, even when looking from a new player perspective. But for me, there is a coupe issues
1. He is micro intensive it requires full attention, something that I can’t give 100% of the time
2. Why use this guy when other options exist that make the game easier? Why use him over sauda on most easy maps?
3. He is so complex that if would require more time to get a little better, not worth it.
He’s super strong, I just think his design it’s what hurts him which is sad.
loving the 12 am uploads
i think its perfectly fine how powerful he was because its 10x easier to do almost anything else with another hero, he just has the ability to do more based on skill and effort. nerfing that at all is not something i like. i dont think he needs to be more accessible because for someone who wants that, all they have to do is use another hero, or even a micro based tower
I didn’t even know they added this dude in the first place XD
Imo never got the "distaste" other than the mana gain other than hulk hands you want to place him in melee to get mana.
I think corvus would be more enjoyable if he just cast a random spell when he gets to max mana
New Corvus is busted I got a Flying Fortress on w92 on chimps (geared). Could’ve gotten earlier if I had better micro and didn’t buy an alc/village
I might use him more now, as a casual / low micro player. Global range, good early game, and now he gets mana no matter what. I’ll probably use him a bit more than before
Corvus is really cool glad that he can be used more often with that passive mana
Would it have been really that much different than putting Psi so you can use lvl 10 on 98 and the ddts of 100?
Corvus is so good in half cash and red border chimps, really nice that he can often just save a run with better micro.
Imo, the base game mid-round farming/tower placement/upgrade micro is just too much to handle while using Corvus, kinda wish NK nerfs buying towers mid-round, like towers wouldn't generate end of round cash/benefit from banana upgrades until the next round. Obviously they'd need to raise global cash generation by like +5%, but it would make bosses so much more fun and make the game more fair for mobile/console players
i loved Corvus when he first came out, he was the first time i tried any real microing and it was pretty fun. but they it became repetitive and i havent used him for a while now, so yea this rework very nice/
I love isab cycle so much 😂😂
New update:
Inform experiment play
Cover patches bugs and changes
Then mod until the next update
This is a change that would make corvus more approachable for me. Every time he gains beyond max mana, he gets it stored, but can only use it for nourishment.
The classic good old casual players thinking everything in every game should be accessible to them.
It shouldn't be Corvus should be a complex character that requires game knowledge and micro. If you want a simpler character then pick any of the other 20 ones (except maybe Geraldo and Adora).
I myself have no interest in playing Corvus just yet but I also do not want NK to dumb him down any more than he is. The price tag already suggests that it is not beginner friendly.
It is just how it is sometimes a character is not made for you, sometimes a game mode is not made for you, sometimes a difficulty is not made for you, sometimes a challenge / achievement is not made for you just accept it and move on having fun with the things that are for you
Nah they fumbled on Corvass
I haven't even played since he released. Must've missed the videos on him, never heard of him
I’m just gonna be blunt, I love you Isab.
When they removed his ability to 1TC, everyone stopped using him
i just want some spells on the ability bar... so i can keybind them, then i would play him more
Hotkey settings have additional hotkeys which you can bind as of 42.0. Included in these hotkeys are Gerry/corvus item/spell hotkeys.
well good to know my decision to not care about him worked out in the end
I wish he had slightly lower exp requirements now. I never get him to lvl 20 in normal games anymore, only in freeplay
I always loved Corvus cause It kept me actively playing the game and not just sitting there for 5 minutes waiting for something to happen, but everyone disliked him so much because of that.
yeah cuz technically, at the end of the day, it's still a mobile game at it's core, aka time consuming passive activity that needs not much attention.
@@OctavianAftonBloons on PC >>>>>>>>>>
Yeah, like. There are SO many sit and relax heroes, they don't need more! Let there be ONE extremely active skilled hero for once!
@@tpfoxCastro I mean true! I'm not against them making a micro heavy hero or tower either, I just think it shouldn't be a "trend" of them continuing to make even more of them as that would really overestimate the size of the "try hard" player community compared to casuals.
same, like I play the game I dont watch the game. But he got so many nerf I dont really like using it now. The hand is so weak now... same for the explosion..
I don’t super play this game anymore and I literally forgot about his existence lmao
the first sentence is wild
the crazy knockback was because you had the double orb ability on, so they were both knocking back at the same time
Every other hero besides Sauda and Geraldo are forgotten. Because they're the best by far. Sauda is easy early-game, Geraldo is what EVERYONE uses for anything else...ISAB, real talk, when was the last time you used Churchill, outside of when patches change him? What about Obyn? Psi? No other heros get love anymore, and that's a shame.
he did use psi in a video pretty recently
@PartOfTheGame
Thank you man. Your comment motivated me to play with Gwen, Psi, Striker, Chirchhill, Obyn and I had a lot of fun. That was nice
Hey look, I was used on Gears. Haven't seen that before.
thank you isab for no reason in particular
Almost as if most people playing this game aren't crazy micro pro players, what a surprise
I used corvus a few times and then I never used him again
He's still my 2nd favorite hero but I only use him and Geraldo for harder maps since I do like to use other easier heros for fun
When you play with Covus as your hero you're not playing Bloon TD6. You are playing Corvus mini RTS desguised as a TD game.
I like using him if he can sit way in front. At least that's where he's most fun.
omg! they gave corvus mana regen finally holy hell thats huge!
I have in fact become so lazy that i just drop Geraldo for the nft in every other game mode
I know this is supposed to be a Corvus vid, but I will ALWAYS pair Apache Prime with Icicle Impale if I can. The Apache's only problem is keeping up with DDTs, and Impale is the ultimate DDT detergent, while providing acceptable, if not spectacular, MOAB damage
I usually just get sabo. Any slowdown massive helps withs ddts. Cause the reason why ddts are hard is cause they are spaced out and apache only hits one. Slow effects make them clumb up and apache shreds
Thank you Isab for telling us that Sauda isn't even slicing and dicing on the map but also off the map 🤨
beautiful time to be awake
Should give it another try. It wasn't that it was difficult to use. I got my first expert chimps with it, prior to retry last round, it's just annoying.
Corvus is fun in 4-player co-op since money making is so slow early game it gives you something to do lmao.
Bruh I just beaten Geared CHIMPS with Corvus then this popped up XD
New vid hello??? How can i sleep tonight
To me corvus is just a more complex version of psi who is already really strong so unless you are completely grinding the game theres no reason to play him
Do 2 million pops BMA next
i just thin there are safer options for when he is useful (sauda)
14:45 because corvus had camo this time
in my opinion corvus is viable only for sweats/pros