Sonic Frontiers' Prologues
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The second Sonic live-action film ALSO had a prologue comic, by the way. It was basically what Sonic was doing between the first and second movie. Remember those weird mercenaries that Eggman briefly encounters and defeats? Yeah, the comic revaled that they were actually hired by Knuckles.
I can't imagine him having the knowledge to hire a merc, I don't even think he'd understand the concept of currency
But what made Sonic 2 acceptable was because Sonic 2 still had a good story and narrative on its own. The pre-quill comic was not a REQUIREMENT for watching the film.
Essentially, the Sonic movies are not like the MCU where you need to do homework
@@alchemistofsteel8099 movie knuckles is dumb, but not that dumb. he just doesnt understand some social aspects, like he doesnt know how to have fun, as hes been completely alone as a child
This comic was great not gonna lie, but I really disliked how Sonic's story alone took up 60% of it. They had to put:
-Tails
-Knuckles (chaotix appeared in it as a cameo btw)
-Eggman
-AND agent Stone
's stories in the leftover 40% which kinda made them feel kinda scuffed.
@@DrognMaster5729 Movie Knuckles has a warrior mentality. That does not mean dumb.
Heck, he's able to read, which is something Boom Knuckles is incapable of. Heck, Knuckles in the games can actually translate ancient Babylonian.
Eggman is a first-rate archaeologist.
He should work with Knuckles and Rouge more (when he's not trying to take over the world and/or turn Sonic into roadkill).
He’s so good he proved the existence of God three times (Chaos,The gaia twins and Solaris)
I understand that it's confusing for the story to be scattered the way it is. But I enjoy it when they tease us with stuff like this. I just hope that the prologue animation and comics are unlockable in the game itself for everyone to enjoy
No esperaba verte por aquí Escody! que por cierto, completamente de acuerdo con tu idea al final.
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From what I've read and from what Flynn has said, the stuff that's in the Prologues isn't important enough that you'd need it to be in the main game.
Vaya Escody no pense verte aqui xD
Sonic Chronicles had this problem too, there was a bonus story included in one of the Archie comic issues that explained how Knuckles got captured which it's only mentioned in the game
like with comics in general long as the expanded content is not fully required to have a good experience with the main material it’s perfectly fine an super awesome
Eh no offense but who cares if the Sonic comics are different from the games?
I'd rather read the Sonic comics than Marvel and DC anyday lol.
@@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 didn't say that, just said you had to read it to know how Knuckles got captured and it also explains why Tails wasn't able to use the Tornado at first which he used parts of it for a trap that didn't work
@@stomper1232 I know that, I'm just saying I started to find the Sonic comics and mostly the Ninja Turtle ones alot more enjoyable for me now than what DC and Marvel has (*excpet for the Mangaverse lol.)
Um... that's wrong, we don't SEE Knuckles get captured in Chronicles, but it isn't "only mentioned", Knuckles actually gives a good description on how it happened, he ended up fighting the Marauders, pretty effortlessly apparently, then Shade came out and gave him a more decent fight but he was still able to beat her, however, right before he could the other Marauders jumped in and overwhelmed him, thus he got captured, the game explains how Knuckles gets captured pretty well in my opinion.
[2:37] Nano machines, hedgehog!
Memes aside, I'm a firm believer that 'supplemental material' works better for 'recontextualization' rather than the vehicle to deliver the main story.
You've got your main story and it has everything the audience needs to understand everything. But supplemental material could answer one or two questions about an event/character/place that wasn't necessary for the audience to understand everything else.
Agreed. To supplement this comment, as a writer I know there's information that a series of media may lack due to editing - whether content is changed, omitted, added, or outright rewritten (in my case, anyway). An entire series can change due to this, ranging from the video's examples to like what happened to FFXIV: A Realm Reborn.
If SEGA could streamline the organization of their "supplemental material" or even just include it into the original medium, whether a game, show, or comic, from the beginning they could be much more cohesion to the Sonic storyline. I love TailsTube and the direction of the IDW comics, but they would serve the overall brand better as separate entities rather than outlets for any given main story.
I'm not sure what happened, but it feels like actual storytelling has fallen to the waste side in favor of shock value, trendiness, and "hype" clout rather than a narrative with any longevity, resonance, or staying power. I've noticed this rather disheartening and disturbing fad, and to see it in Sonic's games this last decade has given me mixed feelings about Sonic Frontiers, now. Not fault to any who is excited, though; I just hope there's a change...
I think it should be included in the game as an unlockable. after beating the story you get the prequel in a gallery room. then you should see that there's a few more story-related things that you can unlock to get the whole story.
(that way whether it's a comic or video version of the story you'll know it exists and you'll see a bit of it if you finish the game)
Agreed
You already know it exists right now, I don’t understand the complaints.
It’s a double edge sword for me, it’s a mix bag. On one hand, I appreciate the free content that they’re putting out. Going out their way to produce that. On the other hand, if you’re going to include a piece of media that helps explains the story. Then it should be imperative to note what you’re doing needs to answer some questions while leaving some questions unanswered. Fulfilling that purpose, however, don’t create a piece of media that does nothing for the plot of the game. Not saying it’s a bad thing because it’s free content but if I’m reading something I want the media to give some context that can have more mystery, leading to people being curious and excited to play the game.
I can't express how much I loved this video and how much effort it must've been to express your thoughts on it. I know I already said this in the comments but thank you for doing this. I pre-ordered it and want to experience this in it's glory. Can't wait to hear more.
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@@whoasked9500 yep. Don't do it often but this video was just that good that I had too.
@@destroyershy96 cool and I agree
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On Twitter, the writer Ian Flynn has already confirmed that the story of Frontiers is a complete product without the prologues. He says they are just gravy and the game is a full meal.
So, do you mean that these prologues provide only a little more explaination about the game but aren't necessary to understand the story (like Sonic forces did with its prequel where it showed why Dr Eggman didn't fear the virtual sun)?
Looking forward to watching this later, I agree with the whole not having stuff in a game that is important to the story is dumb. I don’t hate it, especially when the animations and comics are really nice, but it’s just weird. I can’t wait for Sonic frontiers. 💙
According to Ian Flynn, none of the Prologue stuff is important to get into Frontiers.
@@darkhorse744 would be interesting if you could unlock it inside the game, either through rings, or achievements, or whatever.
@@minasthirith6314 Certainly, but since they're going the path of making the Prologue stuff not have any important info shoved into em, you wouldn't be missing out on much.
They'd definitely be nice to have in-game though.
@@darkhorse744 That's good. I was worried that it would be super important to see or not.
@@goldenninja9053 Seems like they really learned a lot from Forces.
No putting important lore in easily missable materials.
First off, thank you for this video. It taught me so much in such a short time. You explained so much and did it in such a way that I want to see more. 2nd, can't wait for your thought on the game.
I like your Blitz0 pfp
@@scottwock3753 thanks
I’m honestly impressed that the captions for the video are up and running less than an hour after it was posted. I’ve never seen that before. That is commitment.
To be fair, with Sonic Mania Adventures, you can tell that it takes place after Sonic Forces due to Classic Sonic entering the video waving. It’s not important to Mania or Forces, it’s just a fun event of what Classic does after Forces
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My guess is that the prologue comics and videos are used to bring the different sonic fans together, like let’s say there’s a sonic fan who only likes the games, then there’s one who only likes the tv shows, and another who only likes the comics, well now the story of fronters is spread out for all three of fans and they can communicate about them together
I don't mind outside supplemental material that ties into videogames but only if it adds in addtional content and lore to an already self contained narrative.
We should wait before passing judgement on the Frontiers prologue but I'm not a fan of locking plot important content behind different medias. On the brightside at least the comics and animated short is free, I still remember first finding out that a lot of the story in Balan Wonderworld was locked behind a paid novel making it the (rotten) cherry on top of that "experience".
Still cautiously optimistic about Frontiers tho.
Simple theory: They goofed up and changed things during development. Forces' leaked script had Infinite be a creation of Eggman, they retconned this by introducing the Phantom Ruby, which had to tie into Mania as well. So the Forces prequel comic had to retcon Infinite's past and reintroduce a new story and then tie into Episode Shadow.
We may be seeing something similar. A story detail changed. Not enough context. So they had to get some tie in adaptions to help explain the new retcons. Which would make sense since Iizuka said they had to scrap earlier versions of the game and start again.
total mood. I miss games having STORY cutscenes IN THE GAME is that so hard to do?
There are cutscenes in the game tho
... Well, I mean, the specialty of comic books is that they excell at adding context and character to existing universes. Charri literally says that during the video, like, that's the answer.
On top of that, Sonic comic, movie, and TV series fans make up a good like, at least massive sizable section of the fanbase as a whole. So yeah it makes sense that more promotional work would come in the form of comic books and animated segments.
Video games are even better at doing this exact same thing, though.
@@Kingdom850 They really aren't. If anything those are the things most video games struggle the most to get right.
@@Acidicstudios Depends on the game in that case, good writing helps out a lot. Sonic infamously doesn't have that lol
@@Kingdom850 Dying Light 2.
Nuff' said
FUN FACT: Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal also had a short prequel comic. But unlike the others, it was digitally bundled in with the game. It's among all the cutscenes and music tracks, and it doesn't need to be unlocked.
One thing this game could do (which is something I've really missed from video games from the PS2, Xbox, and GC era) is have these prologue animations and comics put into the game in an extras menu that you could unlock as you progress thru the game.
I know everybody and their sister could watch a cutscene on RUclips, but unlocking a scene that turns out to be a prologue or supplementary material such as a character bio always made things feel held together
Imagine if certain characters backstories weren't explained in Undertale and instead you had to go buy a bunch of comics to understand them. If Asgore's tragic story wasn't explained, then you wouldn't feel anything while you fight him, if Asriel's tragedy wasn't explained, you wouldn't feel as much for the kid. The game wouldn't as much of a critical success if you took away elements like that. The incredible what made Undertale so good and special to a lot of people including myself.
this was a really well put together video, and im starting to want more of these video essay type videos, your input's really interesting
They keep making them cuz the interest in these materials were always there.
I keep showing them love and support since I enjoy them.
I figure just like the other supplementary materials it's not gonna take away anything from the game. I've never read a Kingdom Hearts Ultimania book, but I don't feel bamboozled out of a story or anything.
People don't even know the names of the Night of the Werehog Ghosts, but it's still enjoyed.
Think it just comes down to how much do you wanna know or consume about the stories?
Unless your ear is to the ground for Sonic stuff, you'd likely never hear about them
I love this style it’s just interesting to see stories like this the issue is how their is l8ke no advertising for the expended content
Diversity of content leads to innovation.
It's why we have Ian Flynn, it's why we have "Robotnik", it's why we have so many little bits and pieces that worm their way into the mainline games. It speeds up evolution and is a wonderful testing bed for concepts and ideas.
Did you know that many of the innovations and special features of Pokemon games were derived from previously tested ideas within the trading card game?
Many series use multiple formats to great effect and the multiple formats will also importantly serve as advertising too, perhaps drawing in people that may not have gotten the game on its' own merits.
Yeah, there's no problem with diversity of content. Some people are better at writing comics, or TV shows, or games, or movies, or shorts. Having all of them leads to more people being able to touch the series, which leads to more possibilities.
But this... isn't that. Having the IDW comics as their own thing running continuously as we get more games, plus Sonic Prime and the live action films is good diversity of content.
Pokemon, for instance, has an anime, which is its own thing, plus the games, which are their own things, plus mangas, which while they're usually adaptations of games, add WAY more content that completely changes the story. But it's not like Pokemon Black came out and N cryptically followed you everywhere and never explained who he was until you picked up a prequel manga which explained he was Ghetsis' son. Each game tells its own complete story without needing you to look at something else.
You really put a lot of thought into this, and this is why you’re such a great creator to watch. Most of the time when I see videos like this or, heck, even just talk to somebody about something, I walk away thinking “I get what he’s saying but I feel like he’s leaving out a lot of details to make a statement like that.” But with you that’s never the case. You consider and explain everything and take into account as much as you can gather, and it’s a mindset I wish was much more common.
i get your point but i will like to see it in the following way; they give a taste of what the story is going to be like without giving the main dish. at the end of the day is just promotion and that should not drastically affect the major plot. this is for those who are curious and want too know a little bit more. plus is still money for the artist working on them
I never noticed Zavok and Zeena didn't get a name-drop until today.
I personally think they did this for promotional reasons or because of time but I do agree that it is weird to not just have all this within the game itself so thanks for sharing your opinion on this matter Charriii
It would basically be extra work and a useless thing to need. It would be the same thing if they just had it in the game. They do the comics and animations for extra promotion.
Sonic has always had comic tie ins with his games. Even in the Archie days. Just smile
And wave boys. Smile
And wave.
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Devil May Cry 5 had both a prequel novel called Before the Nightmare, as well as additional content in the Visions of V manga.
The game on its own is pretty damn good story-wise, especially with some of the extra stuff like the letters in the game's gallery. The supplemental material isn't a requirement to understand the game, but it does add alot of extra depth that further fleshes out the main characters.
I think that's the perfect balance. A strong base to hold your intrigue that can stand on its own, while any supplemental material is optional and doesn't waste your time.
They did the same for sonic forces, and it was a little extra backstory for infinite before he took on the mask and phantom ruby as infinite. So they are often willing to put in bonus stuff like art concepts in a extra option within the game. But instead put them out as standalone comic etc when some of it would give us a bit extra insight for whatever is going on in that game's story, be it character or plot wise.
On one hand, it's really cool to see the world of Sonic get explored through avenues other than video games, because the series as a whole is very much full of interesting ideas and questions that the games themselves just never bother to answer sometimes. And even that aside, the characters themselves are just fun to see interact.
The animations like Mania Adventures, Overdrive and Rise Of The Wisps are nice because, despite essentially being fancy and well-made advertisements, they're also fun little bits of content that can be enjoyed with or without the respective game, but things like the Forces comics are harder to appreciate because they're basically in a quantum state. They're just free mini-comics posted on Twitter, so they can't be massively important required reading... buuuut they're also supposed to be prequels to Forces' story, so they can't just be taken as purely individual works. So they just come off as meaningless additions that don't warrant more than a "huh. neat.inconsequential
Also, I can't help but find it weird that they announced Frontiers Prologue back in June, alongside actual gameplay, and yet we've not heard about it since, even though we're less than a month away. Why bother mentioning it at that point? Unless they just REALLY needed something to say in that one Sonic Central besides "look here's Shadow in Green Hill!"
I feel the same way for not needing the comics to really be made for the prologue. I’ve played these sonic games and since I was a kid I just went with the flow but the more I grew up I started realizing how weird the story is because some things just aren’t explained, to then also realize it’s because I didn’t know I had to read a comic beforehand to understand everything. I feel like they should really just put everything into the game and have comic adaptations for the game so that everyone understands the story and we all equally enjoy it
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I completely agree with this. I'm kind of hoping they still explain what happened in Prologue in-game but in a different way like a brief scene of Knuckles explaining in a flashback while the animated short just conveys like all the visuals of what happened.
Sonic Movie 2 had a tie-in comic that was also a prequel and it explained things you genuinely wouldn't understand in the movie unless you read the comics.
I just want them to be included in the game as little bonuses. Kinda like how games give you concept art in the menu.
Coming back to this after the prologue dropped, let me just say OH MY GOD THAT WAS THE RIGHT CALL. It's so beautiful, and it's definitely not like the forces prologue comics.
Storytelling it’s great no matter what we should always tell the real story doesn’t matter we change it but still we had to do it because it’s great contact.
I feel like a lot of it would be rectified/negated if all the promotional material was contained as extras within the game itself (even if they throw in an arbitrary condition to unlock the content). It would serve a double purpose of being promotional material pre-release and lore containment post release without needing to make the extra effort to animate/present it within the game. And it's not like it can't be done: Unleashed had a series of shorts that were unlockable within itself and the storybook series loved adding promotional/behind-the-scene things that you unlock as you got the collectable objects/rankings in the game.
I dont know if you saw already, but Ian Flynn has recently said on Twitter that the prologues are extra fluff with the game being a "full meal". Which says to me that we can read and watch them, but it is not required to fully enjoy the game.
This sort of thing is a very Japanese thing to do, and I for one think it's fun in a funny way for people to be confused on how much they have to jump around to piece together story. Other brands like Tsukihime and Asure Striker Gunvolt are far crazier with manga, audio dramas, ovas, and concerts, to piece together the lore in the middle of the games.
These prequel stories work best when the game itself doesn't need them in order to get the full picture, especially now that they are offered for free. One thing that was not mentioned is that overdoing cutscenes can make the game feel bloated, essentially taking away the main advantage it has as a medium compared to the rest of the entertainment industry. Games need to keep users invested, and cutscenes have the possibility of taking away said investment.
I like this format of video making from you. I would love to hear your thoughts on more topics in these types of videos!
I’m briefly rewatching the premiere right now and already enjoying it. Again I like the change of plans, have fun with the stream later today Nahum! I can’t stay but either way. 👍
Edit: I just finished watching and I loved all your points.. it’s what got me to this channel in the first place about how you’d ramble and rant about the characters you dedicate yourself too. Most specifically, Sonic. Whom we both love, though I used to be “obsessed” with him a while ago lol- I really like how you came so far I know this may seem heartfelt. Either way I enjoyed it!! Continue with the great work. 👍
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I know it's not quite comparable, but this format reminds me of how Rise of Skywalker handled it's story.
In the movie, the story is a confusing mess at the start due to a lot of info and changes being unknown by the general audience... unless you were at the Star Wars x Fortnite event, played the VR Darth Vader game AND read a bit of the junior novelization.
Of course, Sega isn't THAT BAD with this, but I am seeing parallels.
Better than how Kingdom Hearts tells its story.
While I don't mind comics or extra animations, why don't they just put it within the game. Sure it'll probably take longer but they had all this time to do something with those pieces.
I really dislike that they basically say "Buy the extra stuff so you can get the full game"
For example, both Devil May Cry and Bayonetta had an anime made BUT they aren't required to understand the lore or world of the series because the games already do that
but both of this prologues is free what are you talking about
Neither is paid. And for all we know its possible that neither is mandatory to get full context on the story. I play a Sonic game for fun gameplay and neat stories n such, not so much for lore exposition that has always been in manuals and other supplementary material. I can always read or watch that stuff without playing the game. What would be the point of analysis videos and wikia articles of these details if we should ONLY get that info in one single product. Ever thought that not everyone wants to sit through hours of cutscenes or can afford the game at launch? Those are things that some of you forget to consider.
@@purplebruh947 yes while that is true, I feel like it's a lazy excuse then just putting it within the game.
Free or not, they should put more effort into the games than leaving pieces scattered about.
For example, the IDW comics contain lore from the previous games of Sonic BUT they don't require you to play the games in order to understand their story.
@@speedstarregeneration2573 Yes, you can play games just for fun but what's the point of putting an entire story within a game. Some people enjoy a nice story along with the gameplay
Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild gives you the option to skip the story and head straight for the final boss, it's designed purposely for that.
If Sonic was only about gameplay then why did the classic games have elements of a story without voices. But as you mentioned, the manuals of the previous Sonic games had information about a few of the characters. For example, Sonic Heroes gave the characters a little biography. While that is fun, they don't give you the key information of the story, I shouldn't have to discover information that should've been in the game day one a whole year later.
Sonic Forces and Sonic Lost World are examples of what not to do with a story. They gave us the appetizer instead of the main course, when it should've been the opposite
@@mastertjt56 they come out before the game though, what’s the real issue?
I honestly see these as just a cool way to promote the games, the details they add may not be so important to the main story but are welcome.
Oh and IDW made a Team Sonic Racing comic too.
Imo I prefer when a main story is fully completed in the medium. But I also love how from software goes about story telling where after the main story is out the can go back and add things because they left certain small plot points open to do so. I guess what I’m trying to say is I don’t mind external media in the even that the story was already made in an attempt to flesh everything out, and they realized they didn’t go into enough depth on certain points.
really good video, I'm pretty much in complete agreement with what's been said here
Dude, this is super common in...a LOT of franchises
As soon as I saw the announcement of the prequel comic, I thought," Oh no, not again."
Every time they do this, I feel like they should put the "prequel" events IN THE GAME.
Well, they did with episode Shadow in Forces.... They also went into the comics on top of that...
Sega's Logic is just confusing at times.
Getting Palpatine’s RoS Fortnite speech vibes.
Adding the prequel events would drag down the beginning of the game. People dont want 10 cutscenes before the game begins. They want like 1 or 2 at most, hell its better if there are none. Not to mention that animating the prequel cutscenes would take atleast 2 - 4 months for the animators, because animation that detailed takes a LONG time.
@@gamingnubs7628 doesn't mean they have to be literally at the start of the game though.
there were some "how we got here" moments in the series
Thats almost like the prologue comic to the Sonic Movie 2. It explains how knuckles arrived on earth.
Now that I think about the forces comics if they were free why weren’t they in like an extra section in the actual game?
I understand that take, but until we saw what story wise is required for Frontiers or not, all those are for now Bonus details...
Forces did the same : you need NOTHING about the comic, but if you want some more details... Well, it's there
Actually the comic is needed in Forces to full understand the backstory of Infinite and his Squad, and the Phantom Ruby. A video game shouldn't have to have it's players look to outside media in order to understand a story. Hopefully Frontiers doesn't do the same as Forces
@@thefastcommenter7774 forces comics never were needed, phantom rubies story is still a mess and jackal squad doesn't even appear in the game because shadow kills them off screen
pretty good video
I personally think Rise of the Wisp is incredible for the story of Colors. In the games, we don't have much "show don't tell", to give flavor to the world, nor a major threat that makes the characters want to hurry.
But in Rise of the Wisps, it's shown that they have to stop Eggman before he turns all Wisps into Nega Wisps. There's a feeling if emergency there. And the fact that it's shown to be a task that's way too big for Sonic and Tails alone is cool.
The first part of the comic was legit 4 pages and part 2 will most likely be 4 aswell so I assume the comics are like a mini thing you can do for fun
Just wanna say, you really made a great video! It's hard to say for me personally, as while I do enjoy free material that ties in with say, Sonic 2 and how what occurs in the movie universe further explains Knuckles's and Tails's backstory, I would rather have known what occurs in that to be in the movie. Then again, while the wedding scene was all cute and stuff, it dragged for way long than it should have been.
Still, It is what it is. I will still enjoy Sonic content at the end of the day because I have been a fan of the series ever since the 2000's. SA2 was what sold me onto the hype train for the blue blur, and tbh? I love how most of every Sonic game is unique on it's own. I do grow bored of some things that might make me try it another time, but I still take in every aspect of what it offers!
Best explanation hands down
I personally love the tie-in material, though thinking about it now it'd probably be better if it was included in the game in some form. Maybe like a "Prologue" section on the main menu that leads to the animation and comic? idk
even in the first game
Eggman somehow finds out about the Chaos Emeralds and goes out to find them
One game that handles cutscenes extremely well because they know they have the time is the Xenoblade Chronicles series, they're basically like, hey, we can do cutscenes however long we want and have gameplay at understandable times considering the type of game we are. And then they proceed to have a movie length cutscenes, followed by one fight in gameplay, followed by another thirty minute cutscene
3:25 if you really want to get into the Metal Virus saga, I highly recommend collecting it in volumes or the Sonic IDW collection.
820 people in 13 minutes a new record for yea charii. Nice content
i think that the prologues are meant to be a sort of taster for the story of frontiers so people can see what the story is like before purchase
Thank you.
from what we've seen from the promo of the comic, Eggman is probably still missing since Forces and yet the emeralds are still missing. for issue 2 that's where the the start of the game goes. hope when it's released they include these comics with acting/ extras
What if the comic book cover took place before frontiers and the leaked cutscene takes place after frontiers or maybe after rescueing amy
I like the idea of having a comic and animation(only in frontiers) because all you know about the game coming into it is that sonic is all by himself in a mysterious island and that gives the game magic(like breath of the wild) adding the context of something mysterious should be outside the game as it ruins the point of mystery in the game
I knew you'd address this sooner or later
I COMPLETELY AGREE!
I can kind of understand why some people would feel this way, but for me personally, I love it. It feels like a way for others to branch out and leave their comfort zone, allowing them to try different things and do something somewhat new for once.
There are a-lot of good points brought up here. Great Video man! and to answer the question at the end of the video. I think it can be done, but it all depends on what you view is important enough to be included in the main package. i think the prologue with Knuckles is fine cuz we get to see a little tidbit of the story before the game. For all we know we may get a reference to it in game.
i do agree on the comic being a bit of a weird choice tho.
First: having all that stuff in different media is honestly a really cool idea...but like you said, you didn't know about a lot of it. I didn't know about MOST of it aside from the Mania animations, which I stumbled across, and the Forces comic that I only knew about because of a Sonic-specific RUclipsr.
Very small side note: 10 Cloverfield Lane had an ARG!?
8:34 I'm starting to think he found alot more in Gerald's research journal than we know about and there is probably more to come from it
I think it may of been cut out for Pacing. It's possible they wanted to cut out the fat and keep the tone mysterious.
It would be cool if the game had the animation and the comic as unlockables, so you can saw it on the game too, like one of the Sonic Boom from 3DS did
I want to feel optimistic about the upcoming Sonic frontiers prologue animation especially I can sort of understand why knuckles isn't with Sonic,tails,and Amy on the journey to find the 7 chaos emeralds that had been scattered throughout Starfall islands
@@Fan532 Yeah I know But I want to know on why knuckles get sent to Starfall Islands By the new footage and screenshot of frontiers that had knuckles at the desert area
@@Fan532 I believe the sonic frontiers prologue animation won’t come out until ether this Friday or the day before frontiers comes out
You should have made this after the comic cause it feels like this was way before the cutscenes of the game
I think a good compromise was Sonic Boom.
For as disconnected as that series was: the 3DS game had a promotional tie-in comic, much like what Sonic Forces is doing now, which was completely readable within the game.
Apparently, Sonic and the Secret Rings did the same thing, with a version of the game being packed with a comic version.
All of these let you add on a little backstory or side story in a different medium, while also being available to someone who expecting everything to be in the one game.
I completely agree with you here. If you’re gonna make a game you should put everything contextually related to it in the game. A part of me believes that they’re rushing out another game before the holidays and it’s once again missing vital information and/or gameplay, thus having sega resort to cheaper means of story telling.
I don't mind honestly I love sonic comics so I see this as a absolute win
I honestly just hope that they explain how Sonic is able to use abilities like cyloop because I don't think they ever explain how he ever gained his cybernetic abilities
Late to the party with this but my way of seeing it is that when you leave the art form you are in when a story is in motion, you are expanding the Story elements/world. It essentially should rely on the main story to add that content.
When it fails is when it's the other way around. That in order for the story, at its base, to make sense you need the extra material. And not only that, but now that material isnt as accessible as the main story is.
Basically, these additions should be optional ways for one to expand their enjoyment of a story. They shouldn't be homework you make your audience have to search out to make up for errors in your story.
i think if they're going to do these promotional things it's fine, but only with the intenion of making sure no one is left out of the loop. best way i can give the example would be to have a message about any video prologue (potentially downloadable, already part of the game file, or hyperlinked) and then have any comic readable in game (sonic mega collection had this) after the product releases with the promo stuff coming out before. They could also including the same details in the main game just in another way. That is granted if those details are as nesscery to understanding the plot as they seem to imply by calling it a prologue.
The Lost world comic was actually originally a free comic given out at Halloween comic fest (think that's the name) I have that comic still Archie also had back up stories that acted as tie ins to the new games although only ones that seemed to be canon related was The Sonic Chronicles one which shows how Knuckles is kidnapped and one for Sonic 4 ep 2
Most others are more just retellings of the games beginnings or just bringing the new characters into the comics Universe.
Honestly miss when they did those in the comics
I'm somewhere I'm the middle I get that I can be annoying to not have presumably imported things not dhow in the main game but it's also to get these small snippets of info before the release
Could just be for promotion stuff. With a prologue animation and comic it could just be there to try and bring (possibly new) people in by giving them these prologues so that they know what they're getting into for the start of the story.
Thing is, there's gonna be people who are not going to get the game at all and would rather just stick to watching a playthrough of it so it's a... lose lose situation? IDK.
It's definitely just for Promotion, Ian Flynn said that you don't need to watch or read either of the Prologue stuff to understand anything.
Reading the first part of the comic is enough to show how unimportant it is.
I think a reason why the animation and comic exist separately from the game is because they'd have to add all of that 3D animation and models of areas and creatures that only show up once. The big crab robot in the comic would be weird to see in the opening of the game since the rest of the game doesn't have it. Similarly, the Chao in the animation never show up in the game since they'd have to make 3D models for things that are not relevant later. Frontiers gave off a vibe that it didn't have the best budget, so they probably couldn't afford to have all of that be showcased.
Like, think about Sonic Forces and how it's presentation couldn't sell it's premise at it's best, but if Forces were a comic book, it would have been taken a lot more seriously since the art can actually reflect how much more withered the characters feel throughout the war.
Because it's fun.
Eggman is into ancient history /mythology and folklore I guess
This might be the best way they’ve done this since none of what was shown is instrumental to plot
I still don’t understand why does eggman need to be the main dude in frontiers (even though I’m not 100% sure)
My hope is that he isn't trapped in cyberspace to be thrown into final boss territory, but man it wouldn't surprise me. My HOPE is that he uses what he learns about cyberspace to get everyone out of there in a "stop the badder bad guy" type of thing. Given the art for the comic cover it seems like he at least starts out doing his usual thing, but I at least think there's potential for that to change once his freedom is on the line.
It's like the mario and luigi games sometimes bowser is the main villains and sometimes he isn't
Why not? I'm tired of Eggman being pushed to the side. List of games where Eggman is not the villain
-Lost World (Deadly Six)
-Forces (Infinite)
-Shadow the Hedgehog (Black Doom)
-06 (He's like half the villain, Mephiles is the other)
-Unleashed (He had pretty much no control over Dark Gaia other than releasing him)
-Heroes (Metal Sonic was the villain, he was dressed as Eggman)
-Boom: Rise of Lyric (Lyric)
Basiclaly the only games where I think Eggman was in charge (mostly) was
-Both Adventure games
-Colors
-Generations
-Team Sonic Racing
@@thefastcommenter7774 I think you might be on to something here.
Ik but eggman, not that I hate him but people are not making eggman as great as what we used to know, sage is something new by Sega and I want to see the characters potential not like infinite
I think the Frontiers Comics will be more of a tease of what the story of Frontiers. I think the story of the comic will be addressed in the game.
Thank you for letting me know tailstube is somehow canon to the games.... idk how or why but thank you
Not canon.
@@bakedbeans5494 dunno... the end of TailsTube has them literally pointing out Kronos Island and how they plan to get there with Amy, I'm almost convinced it is canon to some extend. It's a brief moment but it connects the story of the game, and it's not a real livestream anyway
@@NurulSera Spin-off media can't be canon.
@@bakedbeans5494 Not canon or canon? which was it????????
@@zestytriss5282 Not canon.
Well said
Let see If this Is still *any* better compared to Sonic Forces' Prequels Comics?
Probably not
Although this doesn’t bug me because I like indulging in different forms of media for the brands I like, I do agree from a artistic storytelling standpoint it’s a bad decision.
I mean imagine if they did this for sonic adventure back in 1999:
In this version you only get access to sonic story to play and the rest of the characters stories you have to watch through animations and Archie comics. Sure you’re still getting the overall story and it’s nice to have but it loses so much by not being a part of the initial package